Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Okiefromokla

Edit count for Okiefromokla
User:Okiefromokla run at Sun Jul 20 10:18:03 2008 GMT Image: 7 Mainspace 1507 Portal: 2 Talk: 543 Template talk: 3 Template: 6 User talk: 474 User: 231 Wikipedia talk: 58 Wikipedia: 159 avg edits per page 3.07 earliest 05:45, 4 November 2007 number of unique pages 975 total 2990

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Mainspace 170 Oklahoma 92 Seattle SuperSonics relocation to Oklahoma City 78 Tulsa, Oklahoma 68 Seattle SuperSonics 56 Oklahoma City National Basketball Association team 51 Vegetarianism 44 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 24 Meat 22 Geography of Oklahoma 22 Claremore, Oklahoma 22 BOK Center 14 Omnivore 12 Jeremiah Wright 11 Barack Obama 11 September 11, 2001 attacks

Talk: 123 September 11, 2001 attacks 70 Jesus 53 Seattle SuperSonics 49 Seattle SuperSonics relocation to Oklahoma City 34 Oklahoma City National Basketball Association team 29 Oklahoma 27 Oklahoma/Archive2 12 Human/Archive 26 8 Omnivore 8 Vegetarianism/Archive 5 8 9/11 conspiracy theories 7 Barack Obama 7 Indian removal 7 Tulsa, Oklahoma 6 Ethics of eating meat Image: 3 Oklahomacapitolandflag.jpg Portal: 2 Oklahoma/Selected picture/1 Template: 2 Rogers County, Oklahoma 2 USRegions Template talk: 3 ArticleHistory User: 109 Okiefromokla 47 Okiefromokla/WikiOkie 12 This is a sock puppet of User:Okiefromokla 5 Haemo/Draft FAQ 4 Okiefromokla/usage 3 Okiefromokla/userpage 2 Captain panda/Autograph Book 2 Okiefromokla/wikiokiebox 2 Littlealien182 2 Okiefromokla/OklahomaSOA 2 ThatWikiGuy 2 Okiefromokla (old) 2 Kathzzzz/MySignatureBook

User talk: 84 Okiefromokla 29 CPacker 18 Xiutwel/temp 12 Chicken Wing 10 Haemo 9 Rx StrangeLove/Archive4 9 Okiefromokla (old) 8 24.184.230.106 7 Acalamari 7 Bobblehead 6 84.16.227.242 6 Neurolanis 5 Ireneshusband 5 70.145.15.83 5 MrJanitor1

Wikipedia: 27 Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-02-12 9/11 conspiracy theories 19 Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories/Evidence 15 Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories/Workshop 14 Administrator intervention against vandalism 13 Requests for adminship/Okiefromokla 8 Requests for page protection 8 Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 July 5 7 Featured picture candidates/Oklahoma Capitol with Flag 6 WikiProject National Basketball Association/Assessment 5 Requests for arbitration 3 Village pump (proposals)/FritzpollBot 3 Wikiquette alerts 2 Articles for deletion/Roadgeek (2nd nomination) 2 Editor assistance/Requests 2 Featured list candidates/NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award Wikipedia talk: 22 Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories/Evidence 16 WikiProject National Basketball Association 13 Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories/Workshop 3 Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories/Proposed decision 2 Requests for adminship/Okiefromokla


 * The edit count was retrieved from this link at 21:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC).


 * Also see: Contributions of User:Okiefromokla (old) and edit count of User:Okiefromokla (old). Okiefromokla questions? 21:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Entire discussion related to kmwber's oppose

 * 1) Oppose &mdash; I view self-noms as prima facie evidence of power hunger. Also for a poor Merle Haggard impersonation.  C'mon, don't just do it halfway!  Kurt Weber ( Go Colts! ) 23:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Extended discussion regarding this oppose moved to the talk page. – xeno  ( talk ) 14:44, 20 July 2008 (UTC) This oppose moved to top to preserve numbering
 * And moved back below. Do never move my postings without an excellent reason again. user:Everyme 00:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Restored per this discussion. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Lets get real, do you honestly believe that a person is any less "power hungry" if one person nominates them? If you are going to carry on with this, could you at least mix the copy and paste quote up a little. Reading the identical statement each time is beginning to annoy. Why not make a selection of three versions, play with all of them a little, give us something new to look at. — Realist 2  ( Speak ) 01:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No point in responding. Tim Vickers (talk) 01:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Kurt's perfectly entitled to his opinion. Leave him alone. Nick mallory (talk) 02:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe so, but it doesn't look like an opinion, it looks mechanical. That is why I suggested making 3 versions to ease that concern. :-) — Realist 2  ( Speak ) 02:33, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Others are perfectly entitled to discuss the validity of his reasoning with him, right here in this discussion. Leave them alone. user:Everyme 02:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't get it. why do you view a self nom as power hungry? NonvocalScream (talk) 03:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe he sees any self-initiated move in the direction of gaining power, which adminship essentially is whether we like it or not, as being equal to power seeking. If that were true, then self-nominating would indeed equal power hunger. But many people apply simply because they want to help more efficiently which renders his reasoning invalid, and an assumption of bad faith and arguable personal attack on top of that. That's also why his templated opposes are often badgered, but since in today's day and age demonstrably irrational opinion apparently equals valid reasoning, he is being allowed to continue with it. Btw: DO NOT REMOVE THIS GOOD-FAITHED CONSTRUCTIVE POSTING. user:Everyme 04:07, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right--it's not necessarily the case. But given that I can't read minds, I prefer not to take the risk without massively overwhelming evidence to the contrary.  It's only happened once so far.  Kurt Weber ( Go Colts! ) 04:44, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What do we risk by permitting a power hungry (not characterizing the current candidate, but asking a question to kmweber rationale) editor become an admin? NonvocalScream (talk) 04:50, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, a lot. That's something I completely agree on with Kurt (and many others). I merely don't think his dividing line is valid or useful. user:Everyme 05:25, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If someone wants sysop access just to have access, that's being power hungry. But this user is looking to haved access to contribute to the project better.  I think his experiance and background make him worthy. –BuickCenturyDriver 11:34, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Being unable to read his mind, I need a shitton of evidence in order to make me think that's the case. So far, I haven't seen it.  Kurt Weber ( Go Colts! ) 14:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * To be honest, it looks like you have problem with power hunger, if you can't be an admin then no one else should either. This will be my last post on the issue, you still haven't promised to come up with three variations of you mechanical "opinion". — Realist 2  ( Speak ) 14:43, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't Kurt be allowed his opinions without constantly being bombarded over and over again, to the point where he is being called a sore loser and a hypocrite? RfA, and indeed all of Wikipedia for that matter, falls apart if users are not allowed to have their own opinion in peace. Erik the Red  2 ( AVE · CAESAR ) 19:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Everybody is free to have their opinion in peace. But stating them in a discussion means opening them up to discussion, to being challenged and possibly refuted. Not being allowed to respond to an opinion in a discussion, that's the real danger to all collaborative environments. user:Everyme 01:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * People are not "discussing" Kurt's opposes, they are attacking them, and posts like "it looks like you have a problem with power hunger" are not constructive, civil, or in the spirit of WP:AGF. Erik the Red  2 ( AVE · CAESAR ) 01:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Am I people then, according to your definition? user:Everyme 01:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've copied the entire discussion here and left the bits relevant to the candidate on the RFA page. If you feel a particular portion that I took out was relevant, feel free to add that portion back. I feel this addresses both sides of the concerns raised at WP:Administrators' noticeboard – xeno  ( talk ) 14:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)