Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Paine Ellsworth 2

Please
There's no need for any more pile-on. I would humbly request that those who are thinking about adding another oppose hold off unless there's a chance this is going to swing back into the discretionary zone. There's really no need to continue. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:15, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I would have thought that it would be far more appropriate to request that Paine Ellsworth voluntarily withdraw. As long as the AfD RfA is open, people are entitled to participate, and such participation should not be contingent on which way they intend to vote. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That would also be good too, and I believe they've already been asked. However I don't think we need to keep hitting someone because they haven't cried mercy. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:06, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your thoughts, editors and . And I respectfully plead for no mercy. If people stop "hitting" me, then valuable information might be lost. It might surprise you to know that, while I do not enjoy all the opposition to my RfA, I do enjoy all the opportunities to learn and make myself better. Promised myself that no matter what, I would not back out of this RfA like I did last time. Lost my leg a few years back due to my year in Vietnam (defoliants like Agent Orange), so just like "falling is not an option", nor is giving up. Thank you both for all your wonderful thoughts and advice!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;,  ed.  put'er there 21:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * classy response. I never understand why so many editors attempt to steer and micromanage an RFA. I have seen folks get hair-trigger blocks for daring to go against consensus in an RFA. I like your attitude Paine. I think many folks were hoping you would not be so put upon that you quit WP like MB or have a health issue like another editor who had an unsuccessful RFA. Lightburst (talk) 23:06, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Lightburst! As an older person, I have probably too many health issues to list, but I see no good in using that when I apparently have too many other issues to correct. In any case I do appreciate the old maxim, "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." I think of all participants to be the former, my supporters for backing me in spite of the raised issues, and my opposers for raising the issues on which I have to work. Thanks again!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 23:17, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The last sentence is wildly inappropriate. I suggest you strike that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:17, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ...quit WP like MB or have a health issue like another editor who had an unsuccessful RFA? Mhm. Interesting view of people. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 16:49, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not a view, it's a statement of fact. MB experienced sufficient distress from their RfA that they quit editing WP altogether. I cannot know which other RfA is being referenced, but I know several editors that felt severe stress from their RfAs. If simply being exposed to that causes discomfort, perhaps some introspection is in order (that's directed at both the writers' above and readers' henceforth). Full disclosure, I participated and strongly came down on both MB and both of his nominators in that RfA. Mr rnddude (talk) 13:50, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * MB's RfA was the saddest in recent memory. We lost a truly excellent contributor there. I know which RfA is referenced by the text, but the candidate later stated that the RfA was unrelated to their hospitalisation event. It's probably medically unknowable which combination of stressors and time triggered the sudden health crisis, but the statement "RfA is stressful" seems pretty WP:BLUESKY.I'm glad Paine Ellsworth is taking the experience so even-handedly, and I'm grateful he'll be continuing on as a non-admin contributor. Folly Mox (talk) 16:10, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The AfD? jp×g🗯️ 03:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "AfD" when "RfA" is meant, is a very common typo. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:08, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, brainfart. Maybe one day I'll get around to teaching myself to read stuff I've written before hitting 'publish changes'. Apologies to PE, I'm not suggesting we delete him... AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Users for deletion is thataway. Queen  of   Hearts ❤️  (she/they 🎄 🏳️‍⚧️) 21:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Gratitude
Want to thank all the questioners, and all the supporters for obvious reasons and opposers for the many nice things you said about me in your rationales, thank you. There is still some time left, you certainly got your ideas across, there is still time for you to do me a big favor? Please reread my supporters' rationales, think it over, and hopefully you'll find reason to approve of me. The project needs admins, and I sincerely believe I can be a helpful one. And now, I certainly could use all the help I can get. My supporters can see the whole picture that is me, Paine Ellsworth. Can't you? Thank you very much for any further consideration you can give me. Yours very truly,  Paine &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 04:27, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean this message in the nicest possible way - your message comes across to me personally as desperation for the admin role. If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion - strike all but the first sentence and the final sentence - which maintains your kind thanks to all involved in the process. Thanks for submitting yourself to the RfA process, regardless of the outcome! Turini2 (talk) 15:19, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think this plea will be received in the manner it was intended, unfortunately.  ——Serial  16:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Paine Ellsworth, I'm not convinced that you've succeeded in alleviating the many concerns expressed by the majority of participants. If I were you, I'd try to reassure people, for instance thanking for all the constructive comments and saying that you'll reflect on their concerns and take their suggestions seriously. Quite the opposite - you silently dismissed all the concerns, as if saying: I don't care, it's my style, please take me the way I am.You certainly recall that the community recently had to spend a lot of time on dealing with an admin who similarly could not get the point.I was among your earliest supporters here. Now I have doubts whether it was was a right decision. — kashmīrī  TALK  16:33, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Certainly didn't mean to have a negative effect with my appeal above. That's all it is, just an appeal. I do appreciate the feedback in the RfA and will be reading and rereading for a long time to come. Each editor's opinion counts, and I apologize if I've done anything to lose your good graces or that of any editor. My only intent was to humbly ask opposers to take a closer look at my entire record and perhaps reconsider whether or not I am truly worthy of their trust. Nothing more nor less. And thank you for your support, as it means a great deal to me no matter how my second bid turns out.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 19:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Paine Ellsworth, People precisely did take a closer look at your entire record, and they consistently appreciate your work (as do I!). However, as you certainly know after being around for so many years, RfA is not about evaluating your work – admining is not a prize for good editing – but about looking for red flags, especially ones that may affect performance as an admin. So, people brought up a few red flags, but you, instead of acknowledging them and trying to address specific concerns one by one, keep begging people to look at your entire record. This comes across as an inability to get the point and frankly is an additional red flag. — kashmīrī  TALK  11:14, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, so sorry my words conveyed a different meaning than intended. Shutting up now.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 20:01, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You could start by re-writing some of the answers to your questions, especially Q10 where you were given a get-out-of-jail-free card. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I would second this comment, as I literally do not understand the response to the question as written; I assumed this was a failure of idiom on my part, but it may be worth clarifying since others have said the same. jp×g</b>🗯️</b> 08:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Withdrawn
Hate to break promises to myself, but admittedly this is not unprecedented, I hereby withdraw from this, my second RfA. So a gift to all for the holidays! Everyone will hopefully take from this something positive as I will do. You have all done the right thing whatever that was. I shall continue to cherish my time on WP as I hope all who have fun editing will do! Thank you for an eye-opening experience!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 11:25, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Closed as withdrawn per your request. — xaosflux  Talk 13:20, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much, editor !  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 13:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the positive attitude throughout the process. You are an obvious net positive to the project. <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x Deadbeef →∞ (talk to me) 15:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * +1 on that KylieTastic (talk) 15:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you both very much. Yeah, even before the RfA started, I figured it would be like yours at first, with several opposes and then an upturn. When there was no upturn it was kind of jarring, but in a good way. Thanks again!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 15:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)