Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Pmanderson 2

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Oppose comment from Skyemoor
Examples of Pmanderson|Septentrionalis's uncivil behavior;
 * "[Thomas Jefferson] is currently being abused by a crank who believes that Wikipedia must say "Jefferson founded the Republican Party" (later called the Democratic Republican Party).
 * "For a crank, no evidence is sufficient:;Septentrionalis 19:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * A true general statement; but, as I went on to say, if the shoe does not fit, Skyemoor need not wear it. I leave the reader to decide whether Skyemoor is behaving like a crank. Septentrionalis 04:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, in the sentence just below your last quote linked above, you said, "If Skyemoor is not a crank, let him not behave like one." In other words, if I simply agreed with you, I wouldn't be a crank. Skyemoor 06:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "is there an explanation for this, short of deliberate falsehood?" Septentrionalis 23:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "I see no reason for pedantic confusions should force WP to adopt whatever current historical fad may be" (where PMA is arguing against current historical positions) Septentrionalis 17:42, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * "his claim that Democrat has no historical basis is therefore a deliberate lie." Septentrionalis 20:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Skyemoor has himself quoted Madison's use of "Democrats" for his friends; he is therefore asserting what he should know to be false: I provide this link, since Skyemoor has a habit of breaking up other people's sentences. The bold is Skyemoor's addition. Septentrionalis 04:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Pmanderson prefers not to reveal the subject of the above, which was about the name (in use around 1793) of the party Jefferson started, "*Democratic Party: No historical basis for this, beyond extended lineage. Not a real candidate." The quote he just referred to above is from Madison in 1823, when the greatly evolved party was splitting up into Democrats and Republicans. I see this as more wikilawyering and misdirection.  Skyemoor 05:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "Skyemoor's preferred language ... is simple ignorance." Septentrionalis 23:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * "Skyemoor is using primary sources, which he gives no sign of understanding, to insist on the indefensible usage:" Septentrionalis 06:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * "Skyemoor is using primary sources, which he gives no sign of understanding, to insist on the indefensible usage:" Septentrionalis 06:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Other Pertinent Points


 * One time he even inserted vandalism, attempting to blame it on me, then tried to cover his tracks, still attacking me personally.
 * False: Two consecutive edits; one when I thought Skyemoor's edit was responsible for the cumulative vandalism, and the next, four minutes later, when I apologized, and removed the vandalism. Septentrionalis 04:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Voters should examine the links in question, noting the edit lines, to discern for themselves if this is the work of a rising admin. Skyemoor 06:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Many times, he vandalized direct references of mine, removing them if they conflicted with his POV. As one example, a direct quote from James Madison to Thomas Jefferson. His justification?  "This will not do" - 03:52, 18 November 2006 Pmanderson
 * Yes, saying that "Jefferson and James Madison founded and led the Republican party" without full explanation, will not do. "Many times", however, is another falsehood. Septentrionalis 04:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The words "(later called the Democratic-Republican party)" followed, providing more than sufficient explanation. Skyemoor 06:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Suddenly, yesterday he became very cordial, completely out of character. I thought he must have had a life changing experience. I wonder if this RfA had anything to do with it... Skyemoor 03:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I observe that he provides no links. All I have done differently is to refer to him as a "single purpose account", as I should have done from the beginning. For some people, repentance is not enough. Septentrionalis 04:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "SPA" is an attempt to smear the messenger and detract from the message. The uncharacteristically cordial quote was, "I am open to correction, as always." Septentrionalis 20:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Update: Just after this opposition was first entered, he added another |general comment (since changed and moved), a post-factum addressing of his attitude. I ask him to show where and when he 'repented'. He knew of the upcoming RfA, so for him to say he repented before the RfA opened sidesteps the knowledge that he knew it was coming on Dec 4th. [] Skyemoor 04:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I knew it was possible when several of these were posted. I thought Radiant had changed his mind, until 16 hours ago, after all of them. I'll even go change "crank".  Septentrionalis 05:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I can be baited; this would a weakness in an admin, but I did let Skyemoor's continual use of threw a fit, intellectually lazy, untruths, and distortions get to me after a while. Septentrionalis 05:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "intellectually lazy" was in reference to PMS's comment elsewhere that some readers wouldn't bother to follow links to find more information. Please call this a falsehood, PMA, so that I will be motivated to take the two hours to look it up and post the link.  Skyemoor 06:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)