Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Singularity42

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 * I have a strong suspicion that based on the above, I might be a Canadian... 🇨🇦 Singularity42 (talk) 03:24, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Answering the question of attribution
Thank you for seeking this clarification. I appreciate the opportunity to explain it better. At face value it seems like semantics; but perspective is necessary. When I first asked for restoration of the page, I was asked: "why I didn't simply recreate the page as a plausible redirect". My reason relates to this answer. The editing history shows Mastermichael64 as the page creator, which is a correct attribution. All improvements after that are "of the collaboration", which includes ironically, Your edit which added the csd tag. Had I recreated the page, usurping attribution to myself, I would be shown as the page creator, and your edit is removed from the history. Clearly that would be skewed away from the truth.

Imagine only the cause-and-effect of a new user making an edit in good faith; seeing their account credited with one contribution; perhaps glad they had taken that first step in their desired journey of Wikipedia participation. Try to remember how you may have felt when you were aspiring to become autoconfirmed (yeah no more captcha), and then seeing the one or more credited edits becoming zero. Without understanding what had happened, a new user can too easily believe they see a "thanks but no thanks" dismissal; seeding thoughts of indignation and reprisal.

In Q9 where I stated, "for reasons unknown, it was created without content". The "reasons, unknown" could be any mix of good intentions, inexperience, and optimism that culminates in a small editing error. Maybe they were trying to create a redirect of sorts; trying to include content that would show on a google search[ with the school's name forming searchable key words. In fact, the flawed creation would have accomplished this, although it would fail to bring the interested person to a correct target. Improving it however, with subsequent edits, corrected the shortcomings without removing the attribution reflecting the new users collaborative part in the process. Even if one day the redirect becomes a stand alone FA on the subject, attribution for its creation will remain, reflecting credit where it belongs.

And the new user is included in the collaborative process, as they should be. Make no mistake, a google search done yesterday for "Adams County Christian School (Natchez, MS)" would not have shown a link to Wikipedia at all. Now a link is appearing on the second google results page and by tomorrow I suspect the link will be shown on the first page, within the first four or five hits. This is absolutely resultant from their original effort; deserving of attribution and wiki thanks for their contributions. Not a deletion and corresponding reduction of contributions; when the inclusive manner is more appropriate.

Also look at the A-3 tag itself, it does not say without content but rather something akin to without substantive content to identify the subject, and by extrapolation, credible statements of notability. The title itself serves as content when it is woven into our web and begins opening doors to Wikipedia; based on the plausibility that it could be searched as a term. The school fits all criteria necessary for retaining the title, as a plausible redirect, especially when it already is mentioned in Wikipedia. And the single contribution that deserves the initial credit, for bringing it into the pedia, belongs to the one who created it first.

I hope you can appreciate the perspective I am looking at this from, to see its sensibility; not discounting it as a minor issue, which being minor, does not make it irrelevant. Cheers. :) John Cline (talk) 03:51, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Chris, I want to read through the above in detail, so I can give my reply thoughts tonight... Singularity42 (talk) 17:44, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Chris, I think we are approaching the idea of attribution from different contexts. I think based on our earlier comments, we both agree that deletion of a person's first article - even a contentless one - can possibily have an unintended effect on the retention of said new editor.  This includes the concept of the CSD template, recieving a large amount of WP policy info (that may be too overwhelming), losing their only created article, losing credit for said, article, etc.  We're in agreement on that.


 * However, maybe its because of my law background, but I think of the word "attribution" in the context of Wikipedia differently from the above concerns. In a brutally simplistic summary of our copyright policies, we basically say that every editor has a copyright in their work on Wikipedia - but by clicking "save" you agree to license it for reuse provided you continue to get credit for the said work (and to anyone else who just read that last sentence, yes I know that there's a lot more to the copyright policy than what I just wrote).  So "attribution" is essentially credit for your work that you have copyright in.  A blank page, though, does not meet the definition of "work" for copyright purposes (you cannot copyright a blank page, or a page that says "My subject is...", or a page that just contains a url address, etc. - none of that is copyrightable).  Similarly, a person cannnot have copyright in a title (that's what trademark law is for, which is very, very different from copyright law).


 * So long story short - I think we both have the same concerns about how a CSD tag and deletion can affect a new editor - we're just having a difference of terminoloy. Maybe. :) Singularity42 (talk) 20:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree; you are correct that I misused attribution in describing this, and I appreciate your enlightenment in that regard. :) John Cline (talk) 22:17, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Tally error
Anyone know why the tally's not updating on the this RFA page? The support tally does not seem to match the actualy numbers. Singularity42 (talk) 17:43, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think cyberpower678 is needed for this. :) John Cline (talk) 20:22, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Everything is falling apart. :/— cyberpower ChatOnline 20:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)