Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Tinucherian

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Moved joke thread from oppose
See here:. -- Samir 06:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Super-duper mega oppose.First, I believe that giving this editor the mop will promote the European/American systemic bias; we need more administrators from other parts of the world. Also, I've never heard of this editor before, so they can't be good. Additionally, this editors behaviour is absolutely appalling. Finally, we are not celebrating opposite day here where I don't live.Irbisgreif (talk) 02:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * While I havent even seen/been to these parts of world ( mentioned above) ever in my life :), It doesn't meet mean that I will not try my best efforts to help any requests like this, from any part of the world, wheather I am an admin or not ..Still, thank you for the feedback. --  Tinu  Cherian  - 02:31, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Irbisgrief, you are not from Bizarro World? Does this not mean that we do not have a wikpedia-thingy on Bizarro World? That is horrible! John Carter (talk) 03:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * @Irbisgrief By any chance, are you aware of this? As if he couldn't make it any more obvious, Tinucherian is from Asia.  Also, could you provide some diffs documenting Tinucherian's "appalling behavior"? -  F ASTILY   (T ALK ) 04:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * @Fastily and Tinucherian: I'm sorry, but I believe that my attempt at levity and humour has slightly backfired. Please read Opposite Day. As you will notice, my oppose makes absolutely no sense unless interpreted as a humorous inverse. In fact, I wholeheartedly support this candidate, am sure he will make an outstanding admin, and am fairly sure that this RfA will pass unanimously. I apologize. Irbisgreif (talk) 06:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No problems Irbisgreif..Sorry that some of us failed to see through your humour note. Thanks for the kind words --  Tinu  Cherian  - 06:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

This RfA should be snowed.
Is it not quite clear what the outcome is going to be? Irbisgreif (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2009 (UTC)


 * It is, but we don't snow approve people. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I heard if it gets past 200 supports then he wins a toaster, so let's keep it coming! --  At am a  頭 04:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Comment on oppose
Bali Ulitimate, here are a few comments on your oppose vote and the subsequent discussion: While, healthy debate and disagreements are expected and welcome at RFAs (after all we have sections marked support and oppose), I hope that the discussions can be held in a more congenial spirit than this example. I also hope that we all remember that there is a person residing behind each username, before we remark on the RFA candidate or a reviewer. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 20:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I do agree with you that the ability to communicate is vital in an admin, and your initial comment in opposition to Tinucherian's RFA was certainly polite and defensible. However, it seems that as the discussion progressed, your opposition became more hardline and strident, and the argument for opposition became more hyperbolic. For example you say, "I shudder to think what his writing is like when there is less scrutiny": you don't need to speculate on that! Tinu's editing history is open to scrutiny and you can check if his edits in article-space or talkpages have been difficult to decipher, in practice. In my personal experience over the past two years, this has never been an issue; while Tinu, like other editors (including me) sometimes uses informal language and grammar on talk pages, the content of his comments has always been crystal clear.
 * Secondly, as the discussion progressed I found your comments increasingly dismissive and belittling towards Tinucherian. For example, I cringed when I saw you refer to Tinu (who you know is certainly reading the discussion) as "this fellow". He may not have earned your support and that's fine. But he certainly has earned basic courtesy and respect. In contrast, Tinu's behavior throughout the whole episode has been exemplary - he didn't try to dismiss or argue with your vote, but accepted the critique in a positive spirit.
 * As I state above, I disagree with your vote at the RFA. But I don't ascribe your view to any form of prejudice, or racial or national bias. I don't see any basis for doing so, and am somewhat bewildered that some other editors are reading such motives into your comment. You too deserve better!
 * This fellow is objectionable? Don't know the guy and have no personal opinions about him. I apologize if that seems dismissive. He seems a nice enough fellow person. For what it's worth I looked at his article creation -- lots of notability concerns, as I mentioned, and I don't put any value in stubs. If it's unfair in the eyes of some to judge his writting by what he presented in the RFA well, they're obviously entitled to their opinion. As a general position, Wikipedia has far too many admins with techincal backgrouds, not enough with backgrounds in research and writing in the humanities.Bali ultimate (talk) 20:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The use of this fellow is not really the height of incivility (especially on wikipedi!), but I found it incongruous coming from you, since I am confident that you are sensitive to its tone of use.
 * As for the rest of your points about notability, writing skills, and background of wikipedia editors - I think those are all valid points to raise at this, or any other RFA (I think I have complained about all 3 issues at some time or the other during my time on wikipedia). I may try to persuade you that those points are not overly relevant to Tinu's editing on wikiedpia, but I do not object to your raising them, or evaluating the RFA candidate differently from me. Abecedare (talk) 20:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think Bali Ultimate was using 'fellow' in a dismissive or derogatory way (he/she uses it elsewhere ). While it is unusual, it is entirely possible that the editor is not a native English speaker and not well versed with the nuances of the language. We should not hold that against him/her. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 21:17, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, it wasn't the fellow itself that sounded odd to me, as much as talking about Tinucherian as if the conversation wasn't visible to him (hence "dismissive"). But I don't want to make too much of this isolated phrase, since it could just be my misinterpretation or rather different social conditioning. After all, I would have interpreted "Support This fellow is the dog!" as a compliment, although I cannot articulate the difference. :-) Abecedare (talk) 21:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I only have Merriam's at home but it will do. RegentsPark appears to need some educating.

Fellow As you're well aware, the most common usages come first in dictionaries. So, I either used it as is common in modern standard english OR i was reaching back into the depths of time for an obsolete usage that is really nasty. Which do you think is more likely? And why?Bali ultimate (talk) 21:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 1 comrade, associate
 * 2 an equal in rank, power, or character.
 * 3 member of a group having common characteristics; specifically a member of an incorporated literary or scientific society
 * 4 obsolete - a person of one of the lower social classes (archaic): a worthless man or boy
 * . So essentially you just want to argue? How about this, as an admin one is expected to be able to set aside their cultural biases enough to wield the tools. Often their ability to suss out a situation is aided by their understanding of the culture in which they have experienced, in this case being a minority likely helps them understand others with similar language challenges. Frankly I'd much rather have dozens of ESL admins versed in multiple languages and polite in all than a handful who act as though their command of English in some way makes them superior. We are a better community for having diversity with multiple perspectives. We are more likely to come to better decisions and more likely to respect the differences and experiences of those who we do not fully understand. This is a part of learning and sharing knowledge. -- Banj e  b oi   22:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't you be off starting an article about one of your pseudonyms or defending paid editing? (as to the substance -- yes, i want people with above par written english skills in an english language encyclopedia. If that makes me an elitist, so be it.)Bali ultimate (talk) 22:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I would like to personally request everyone to kindly close this discussion as it is fruitful to none. I fear that it is getting slightly personal. As far as I am concerned, I agree that my English needs to improved. Have a great day, gentlemen ! --  Tinu  Cherian  - 23:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I view the comment as a personal attack. Please consider striking it as completely unneeded, unhelpful and antagonizing. Also agree the thread is accomplishing little. -- Banj e  b oi   23:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no issues with the use of "fellow", is has primarily positive uses. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 09:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Typo

Have you ever considered, Bali ultimate, that it was just a tyop typo? We all make those mistakes once in a while, no matter if we are smart or dumb. I'm sure just because Tinucherian made a typo does not mean he is less qualified or deserves less the tools. Please reconsider. Thanks, Airplaneman  talk 00:11, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, didn't read above. Airplaneman  talk 00:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)