Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/-Ril-


 * It has been suggested that this is actually a sockpuppet User:Lir, who is still the subject of a ban. If this should prove to be the case, the arbiters could perhaps save themselves a good deal of trouble.  The Uninvited Co., Inc. 00:56, 14 August 2005 (UTC)


 * It's also been repeatedly stated and proven that I am not, by several other editors. Including David Gerard, an arbitrator.     ( ! | ? | * ) 01:10, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Some characteristics that support the idea that -Ril- is a Lir sock:


 * 1) Like Lir, -Ril- has made vague claims of having access to administrator capabilities.  Few of our vexatious users do this.
 * 2) User:Ril is another suspected Lir sockpuppet
 * 3) Ril is a palindrome of Lir
 * 4) Lir and all his sockpuppets made serial edits, a pattern that -Ril- carries on
 * 5) Lir's later sockpuppets would frequently violate the 3RR.  -Ril- has been banned four times for 3RR violations.
 * 6) The writing style is similar.

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 01:18, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Some characteristics that don't
 * 1) The writing style is completely different (e.g. I use British English, the Oxford comma (comma before the "and" or "or" in a list), and have consistently done so for over 8000 edits)
 * 2) Ril is a palindrome of nothing. A palindrome is a word that is the same spelt in reverse (e.g. Noon, Bob, etc.).
 * 3) Ril is an anagram of Lir, but also of Rli, Lri, Irl, and Ilr. 3 Letter words are common, especially ones that actually sound like proper words.
 * 4) UninvitedCompany is an anagram of "You C Men Pant On Vid"
 * 5) -Ril- has been unbanned for 3RR violations several times with the bans being judged inappropriate - indeed all but El C's were lifted, and El C was self-admittedly "high on codeine" at the time
 * 6) Everyone makes serial edits. More than 2 edits in a sequence is serial editing.
 * 7) User:--Ril-- is unlikely to be a Lir sockpuppet
 * 8) -Ril- has never claimed to have admin powers.

( ! | ? | * ) 01:27, 14 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I looked through Lir's edits. I believe, given a sufficient number of edits, I would definitely recognize -Ril-.  And as much as I think -Ril- is playing a lot of games on Wiki to the harm of everyone, see Requests for comment/-Ril-, I don't think this is one of those games. -Ril- focuses on articles with a religio-political POV (he used that term). Lir does not.  There are other reasons that I will not go into, but I would recognize him over time.  --Noitall 03:49, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, despite earlier suspicions I am now quite sure -Ril- is not Lir. If -Ril- is a returned user, they seem far more likely to be User:CheeseDreams. There are some similarities, but most likely -Ril- is a wholly new problem. - SimonP 04:48, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * I suppose we shall have to trudge through all the steps then, though I doubt that the outcome will differ. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:02, 14 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Looks like you couldn't be bothered waiting, hey? If we're going to have a dispute process, can you not wait for it to work itself out? Are you yourself judge and jury? -- Grace Note

My position in this
As I'm not an involved party, I don't know where on the RfA page to comment, but I have both witnessed and to some extent been affected by User:-Ril-'s activities and fully support the action of bringing an RfA against him. I think User:-Ril- is a highly disruptive user, and the RfC filed against him has been very telling in as much as it reveals his attitude towards Wikipedia policies and his continued presence here. Agriculture 17:31, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Update the temporary injunction?
UninvitedCompany has blocked -Ril- indefinitely for his ongoing pattern of disruptive behaviour, culminating in his defacement of WikiProject Wikipedians for Decency with sexually explicit images.

Would it be possible for the ArbCom to reconsider provision #1 of its temporary injunction in light of -Ril-'s recent actions to lend formal support (or not) to UC's actions? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 13:31, 18 August 2005 (UTC)