Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/AndriyK/Workshop

Some developments at this page I am not sure how to deal with

 * 1) User:Yakudza posted verbatim to the workshop same stuff as already posted to evidence. There is no clarity that this is prohibited but that serves no purpose and overloads the workshop page. There must be a reason why Workshop and Evidence are separate pages. If there isn't one, let's merge them. (I suspect that it is simply difficult for Yakudza to write another entry for this arbitration because of his difficulties with English (no offence here). If he just wants to add something to Workshop from himself and needs help with translation of his entry from Ukrainian or Russian, he can ask people here at their talk pages (myself included) for help with translation).
 * 2) User:AndriyK has been playing with this page as if this is his sandbox, moving sections around, creating the new ones arbitrary, etc. There is no prohibition for the users to participate in this section, as far as I can tell, but some reasonable common sense rule on how to edit workshop needs to be stated. In the meanwhile, I suggest that user AndriyK switches most of his activity from the workshop to its talk (this page). There is no doubt that the arbitrators will read them here but the Workshop needs structure and clarity
 * 3) During the restore edit by the Arbitrator Fred Bauder, some entries were accidentally lost. I restored them. If they were deleted on purpose, please delete them again and accept my apology.

--Irpen 01:01, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Irpen tries again to misinform Arbitration Committee and other users. In fact, I did not move any sections. This was Irpen who moved sections on another subpage of this arbitration (see links to evidence). This was Ghirlandajo who blanked a comment about his ruidness (see links to evidence).
 * I indeed created several new sections, but I am allowed to do it according the arbitration procedure. I also was inserting sometimes formatting symbols like #,*,: to get the correct enumeration of items in the sections. This did not destort the information in any way.
 * Dear Irpen, please do not establish your own rules. This is my right to decide what I put onto Workshop page and what onto the talk page.--AndriyK 08:34, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * In fact, User:Yakudza did not post anything to evidnce. He just made a comment on the Workshop page. Then Ghirlandajo copied his comment to the evidence page . User Irpen misinforms the Arbitration Commitee.--AndriyK 22:13, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * As for AndriyK's links to the so called "evidence" that "Irpen moved sections", all details are at the appropriate section already. Especially, check the comment by Introvert there.
 * As for posting Yakudza's comment verbatim to several arbitration subpages it was indeed done but the |message to workshop was posted verbatim from the original arbitration page. I mistakenly thought that it was from evidence where it clearly belongs anyway. I don't see why it matters but I was indeed confused about the source page but not the target page. Yakudza later pasted the same to a third page, again verbatim. I don't see how this may have mislead anyone but if this is considered "Irpen tries again to misinform Arbitration Committee", I apologize for this "misinforming"
 * You are allowed to create sections but you, so far, made a mess out of it. Say, where did you find any examples of "extremely foul and vulgar language used by User:Irpen" to the statement you posted here? Any links to foul and vulgar language I used? Did you mean this by any chance? If so, it was your own entry and it is untranslatable here. Or was it this? Sorry, this is yours again and several people responded to you at Maidan and at Wikipedia with a healthy amount of criticism.
 * Another example, how does the dispute regarding the St Volodymyr's Cathedral article, which is purely a content dispute, is relevant for an arbitrators to decide?

Such a liberal attitude to the workshop is nothing but confusing. Therefore, I proposed that you use a talk page more to prepare items for listing at workshop rather than making a workshop a place to dump all your grievances. This was a proposal and in no way an establishing of my own rules. From your past responses to the proposals, like this one, I realize that making them to you is rather useless. So, I voiced my proposal to all parties of this arbitration isntead. --Irpen 01:03, 19 December 2005 (UTC)