Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Liancourt Rocks

No where in this do I see a final decision to delete the article. Why has this happened? -Theanphibian (talk • contribs) 17:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Recent mention
An recent article, The Myth of Wikipedia Democracy, is refering this case. You can find Wikimachine's comment after the release. --Cheol (talk) 20:56, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Motion: Liancourt Rocks (September 2015)

 * Original discussion




 * 1) Remedy 3 of the Liancourt Rocks case is rescinded.
 * 2) In its place, Standard Discretionary sanctions are authorised with immediate effect for all pages relating to the Liancourt Rocks;
 * 3) Nothing in this motion provides grounds for appeal of remedies or restrictions imposed while the article probation for the foregoing case was in force. Such appeals or requests to lift or modify such sanctions may be made under the same terms as any other appeal.
 * Enacted - L235 (t / c / ping in reply ) 10:21, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) -- Guerillero  &#124;  Parlez Moi  23:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Thryduulf (talk) 23:24, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) L Faraone  23:27, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) Yunshui 雲 水  07:35, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 5)  Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:01, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 6) This one is obvious. Courcelles (talk) 19:01, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 7) This is cleanup pure and simple. --  Amanda  (aka DQ) 05:39, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 8) As Amanda says. This one is simple. Doug Weller (talk) 13:30, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Abstain


 * Recuse

Discussion by arbitrators (Liancourt Rocks)

 * Proposed -- Guerillero &#124;  Parlez Moi  23:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Community comments (Liancourt Rocks)

 * I absolutely support this. Articles related (from my view) would be Liancourt Rocks, Liancourt Rocks dispute, Sea of Japan, Sea of Japan naming dispute, Tsushima Island, Tsushima Island dispute, Korea Strait, and possibly Japan–Korea disputes. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 22:17, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I disagree with this arbitration result
Wikimachine was not the sole driver of the dispute "along national line" on Liancourt Rocks. Rather, he was responding to the likes of user:Opp2 and user:komdori who made unreasonable changes to the article, such as placing Japanese flag on top of South Korean flag per alphabetical order, and other provocative behavior. The admins are also to blame for running IP check on users that voted for Dokdo only, but abstaining from such re-count for other users that voted for Liancourt Rocks or Takeshima, until after the vote tally on the naming of the article. This committee has misidentified the antagonists on this dispute. The antagonists are the likes or Opp2, komdori, and LactoseTI who engaged in edit war with other users and forming "fake consensus" by placing edits that went unnoticed for a while and insisting that they had successfully formed a "consensus" among themselves. (Chunbum Park (talk) 00:19, 31 March 2017 (UTC))

Motion: Removal of Unused Contentious Topics, Liancourt Rocks (October 2023)

 * Original discussion


 * Enacted - &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 01:34, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Support:
 * 1) The CT has not been used since 2017. This is an issue that people are passionate about, but I am not seeing it manifest on wiki --Guerillero Parlez Moi 19:43, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) I recall discussing this one a year or so ago but it got sidetracked by the CTOP changes. I would have supported removing it then, and support it now. Primefac (talk) 19:54, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 3) Izno (talk) 20:24, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 4) Barkeep49 (talk) 20:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 5) KevinL ( aka L235 · t · c) 23:05, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 6) GeneralNotability (talk) 23:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 7) Per Izno's link below. I agree that the possibility exists that there could be another round of future saber rattling, but we can probably deal with that with lesser measures any admin can take on their own authority. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:34, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Oppose:
 * 1) As with the Senkaku islands motion last year I'm reluctant to lift the CT structure from a topic which is prone to political pot-stirring from different sides. It may have been quiet on-wiki but VRTS has received several emails on the topic. The disputes have not gone away. Cabayi (talk) 10:05, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think my response from last year remains the same as this year; I almost typed the same thing. That even includes the fact there are a half dozen emails to VRTS about the naming dispute. Izno (talk) 17:30, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Abstain:
 * 1) SilkTork (talk) 22:36, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Community discussion (Liancourt Rocks)

 * Oppose -- this is a long-running international dispute that will come back around on Wikipedia. I recommend leaving this in place vs. revisiting the issue from scratch. It's not as if there's a pressing need to lift this.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 17:12, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Given the comment about VRT, I would reconsider whether or not this should be revoked. It may be that the disputants are using VRT due to a language barrier, since this is mainly an East Asian (Japan/Korea) dispute. On-wiki, this has two AE threads, 15 years apart (2008 and earlier this year), with the one from earlier this year being closed as moot due to the subject being blocked independent of the thread. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  Source assessment notes 16:14, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * VRT has a boilerplate response for Liancourt Rocks, and I find the fact that it has not spread further than VRT to be a reasonable indication that the ticket system is doing a good job of heading off the majority of those opposed to the current name. Primefac (talk) 09:32, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That'll only hold true as long as the complainants continue to think VRTS is the place to go to get policy changed. It's not a misconception to rely on. Cabayi (talk) 15:16, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I am not necessarily relying on it, more making an observation. Primefac (talk) 06:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)