Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Rktect/Evidence

This is the record of the initial conflict. Since August 5th every contribution I have made to Wikipedia has been systematically attacked. The great bulk of the attacks have been by Egil, drini, kenwarren, gene nygaard. Very few others have reverted my contributions without discussion so the fact that in two months these four users have a cumulative total of hundreds if not thousands of attacks between them and regularly work in concert is worth notice.
 * Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/3ht Drini voted to delete(→3ht, st3t, Egyptian fields)
 * <15:58, August 19, 2005 >
 * What happened.
 * I went to Drini's user page and asked him what was going on. "Re: your knowledge of standards of measure. Could you tell us why you are removing references from all the pages discussing weights and measures and returning them to their original Eurocentric perspectives? it would be helpful to know your background in this area, where your interest in it lies, what you have studied about measures and how what you have read influences your thinking?" 'unsigned comment by Rktect


 * Drini responded "I'm removing original research. I've commented on this before sometime ago when sent entries to vfd. You uadded the same content you keep adding all over, with misleading wikimarkup, for instance, the Pes entry has interwikilinks to Mile, not foot (which would be the closer). -- < drini | ∂drini > 19:58, 19 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I questioned his definition of 'Original Research' "Lists of references are original research?" I requested that you tell us a little about your knowledge of standards of measure. When you refer to things that are in their fifth printing or references to discussions that go back to classical times as "original research" you make it clear that you lack some basic elementary background in the topic. Linking is good. Redirection to an unrelated topic, not so good References cies and sources are good, removing them because you haven't read them and don't understand them is not so good. Why not read the article and see if you can tell me why it might be inconsistent for you to object to Aryan invasions of India by Indo Europeans as speculation and at the same time redirect the discussion of pes and remove its references.Rktect 20:43, August 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * Drini droped the chage of 'Original research' and went on a new tack "How about using the articles's talk pages to discuss changes, instead of using them as duplicates of the article's version you'd like to stay? -- < drini | ∂drini > 20:45, 19 August 2005 (UTC) please don't disrupt wikipedia to make a point. Regarding [1], [2] and [3]. -- < drini | ∂drini > 20:51, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I responded to that "I take it I made my point. Your contributions to wikipedia consist entirely of reverting other peoples positive contributions to topics you have no knowledge of. Rktect 20:54, August 19, 2005 (UTC):


 * Drini now appealed to the opinion of the many "The point is that I'm not the only one that has undone your changes, and you've never taken care of discuss them in the talk page. I'm just reverting to the version that most people consider the best. You maight want to discuss your changes in the talk pages, expose your arguments to convince people, instead of using the talks as copies of the versions you prefer. -- < drini | ∂drini > 20:59, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I answered "You propose discussion prior to action, I do as well, let's see if we can get that to work for us and let the argument govern. I'm not here to teach people or convince them or sell them on an idea. People who are quiet and humble and don't anoy me too much I may be able to connect to some info." Unsigned comment from User:Rktect


 * Drini now said "Round up I believe you're reposting material that has already been removed from wikipedia lots of times:[edit]Content involved Already deleted material


 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Standards of measure in the Modern West
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Standards of measure in the Medieval East
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Standards of measure in the Pre Conquest Americas
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Standards of measure in the Near Eastern Bronze Age
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Standards of measure in the Jemdet Nasr
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Standards of measure in the Copper Age
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Standards of measure in Iron Age Europe
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Standards of measure in Medieval Europe
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Mile Standards
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Ptolomaic (redirected)
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/River journey (redirected)
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Atur
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/3ht (also for s3t and Egyptian fields)
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/21,000 royal cubits (also for 100 Royal cubits)
 * Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Myle (now a redirect)
 * Most of that material can be found at Rktect user page.
 * Debated entries Mille Passus, Sos, Aroura, Rope stretcher, Eratosthenes stadia, Milion, Pes.
 * Some of the other people's revertings I mention are
 * [4] by Gene Nygaard
 * [5] by Gene Nygaard
 * [6] by Josh Parris
 * [7] by Icairns
 * [8] by Icairns
 * [9] by Gene Nygaard
 * [10] by Mike Rosoft
 * [11] by Kenwarren
 * [12] by Crissov
 * [13] by Mysidia
 * [14] by Zoe
 * [15] by Flowerparty (also restoring of vfd tag)
 * [16] by Samuelsen
 * so you don't argue I'm the only one doing it because I'm a vandal. You also use the talk pages to repost such information ([17]) ([18]) instead of discussing i and as I mentioned above, you disrupt wikipedia to make a point: [19], [20] and [21].So, it's not me trying to vandalize *ahem* your *ahem* entries, I'm just following what it seems the consensus respect to this material, and that it's been considered your original research (not the references postings, but the content itself).


 * I responded "You are correct that its not *ahem* just you." Unsigned comment from User:Rktect
 * Nice summary, Drini! Gene Nygaard 13:37, 20 August 2005 (UTC)


 * And even if it sounds weird to you, anybody is allowed to edit articles, ([22]), yes I know it sounds crazy, but that's the wiki way.-- < drini | ∂drini > 21:50, 19 August 2005 (UTC)


 * You may want to count me in too. I've kept notes (not arguments) at [23]. I've agreed to take part in a mediation with said user, and for that reason I haven't touched any of the articles under attack for quite some time now. -- Egil 22:34, 19 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I think its great that you have found a group to belong to.Rktect 00:56, August 20, 2005 (UTC)


 * I said "[edit]Further discussion hmmm...user Drini contributions seem to show a pattern..."

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Thank you. ) (top) 17:00, August 19, 2005 (hist) (diff) m Digg (Reverted edits by 67.15.119.25 to last version by Larsinio) 16:59, August 19, 2005 (hist) (diff) User talk:Drini (→Re: your knowledge of standards of measure) 16:58, August 19, 2005 (hist) (diff) User talk:Drini (→Re: your knowledge of standards of measure) 16:56, August 19, 2005 (hist) (diff) m User talk:Rktect (→August 2005) 16:54, August 19, 2005 (hist) (diff) User talk:Rktect 16:51, August 19, 2005 (hist) (diff) User talk:Drini (don't disrupt wikipedia to make a point) 16:51, August 19, 2005 (hist) (diff) m Macedonia (Reverted edits by Rktect to last version by Chronographos) 16:48, August 19, 2005 (hist) (diff) User talk:Rktect (2 {test}s) 16:48, August 19, 2005 (hist) (diff) m Governor General of Canada (Reverted edits by Rktect to last version by Drini) (top) 16:47, August 19, 2005 (hist) (diff) m Glacier (Reverted edits by Rktect to last version by Drini) (top) unsigned additions by User:Rktect Yes, it's called RC patrolling. I was wondering however, why did you just edited all instances of my original roundup from Gene Nygaard above into Gene Nygaard.

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 * Suggestions for patrollers Don't bite the newbies. Rktect 05:30, August 20, 2005 (UTC)


 * Indeed, although I'm pretty sure you're not quite a newbie on wikipedia. -- < drini | ∂drini > 05:39, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Would you consider Rktect's latest partial revert of Khet as a violation of the 3RR? Zoe 07:21, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, I'm sure there will be others willing to do it. Zoe 07:43, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Here we have Drini on the record on reverts "I'd say yes, since a revert does not necesarrily means going back to the 100% exact previous version. I'm thinking of filing an RFC, but I don't know how, and I'll be away for 2 weeks starting next monday, and I don't know if I'll be required to be here in order to follow. -- < drini | ∂drini > 07:29, 20 August 2005 (UTC)"
 * I pointed out "Just for what its worth I edited the pages adding wikimarkup and references, Zoe and Gene just knee jerk reaction reverted without even looking to see what was there. In what way is an edit a revert? We are supposed to add references


 * I quoted Wikipedia "Giving credit to a source for providing useful information. Providing more information to curious readers. Convincing skeptical readers that the article is accurate. Helping other editors quickly verify facts, especially in cases of sneaky vandalism. Preventing and resolving editorial disputes. Establishing general credibility for Wikipedia. Avoiding claims of plagiarism or intellectual dishonesty. [edit] When you add content For all of the above reasons, if you add information to an article which you gleaned from a specific external source, please cite where you got your information. If you can properly format your citation, that's great! If not, others can re-format it for you, as long as you provide all the information necessary to find the original source.

In general, even if you are writing from memory, you should actively search for authoritative references to cite. (If you are writing from your own knowledge, then you should know enough to identify good references that the reader can consult on the subject—you will not be around forever to answer questions.) The main point is to help the reader and other editors, which is why you should try to go beyond those sources you happened to use yourself.

The need for citations is especially important when writing about the opinions held on a particular issue. Avoid weasel phrases like, "Some people say..." Instead, find a specific person or group who holds that opinion, mention them by name, and give a citation to some place where they can be seen or heard expressing that opinion."

I added a reduced list of references only the most essential mind you and thats aside from the fact that several of you seem to be reverting as tag teams which is not exactly playing fair. Rktect 07:36, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

The problem isn't with the reference adding per se, but with the fact that you seem to be copy and pasting the same material without consideration of its relevance. Such copy pasting gets evident when you notice that the wikilinks for Mile start appearing on other entries. -- < drini | ∂drini > 15:47, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

What's the objection to cuting and pasting? All of them have been selected to apply across the board. Some speak to the earliest Egyptian and Mesopotamian units, others to their continuation by the Greeks and Romans and eventually by the Europeans.

The references apply to all the articles because what I'm documenting is a system. I could put it all together but it would be book length so I have broken it down to pages. The main points are that Mesopotamia influenced Egypt. Egypt influenced the Greeks and Romans. The Greeks and Romans influenced Europe. All of them shared geo-commensurate standards A list of geo-commensurate standards includes The degree subdivisons of the degree such as the schoenus or itrw and atur. subdivisions of the degree into Stadia, Sos, Stadions, Stadiums, Furlongs, subdivisions of the degree into Miles and leauges areas based on the subdivisions into fields, with sides a stadia or chain of 100 kus or cubits, mh t3 or land cubits, remen, feet, hayt, or rods, plus paces, yards, fathoms or orquia

the areas, iku, khet, st3t, aroura, areas, are and acres are all subdivisions of the knights fee.

Rktect 02:12, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

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Since you left a statement, you may be interested to know that there is now a Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Rktect/Evidence. -- Egil 13:48, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

I know I've been following the case. I was preparing new evidence other than it was gathered (from the egyptian and mathematics topics). -- (☺drini♫|☎) 18:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Rktect 00:20, 25 September 2005 (UTC)