Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Skyring

Concurrent or sequential remedies for User:Skyring
I came here to examine the ArbCom's remedies in Requests for arbitration/Skyring, because Skyring's current behaviour at Australia and Talk:Australia is pretty much the same as the behaviour that saw him taken to ArbCom originally (minus the wikistalking).

I notice that discussions below re: Pigsonthewing indicate that remedies run sequentially rather than concurrently. In Skyring's case, he was banned for a year for wikistalking, and this ban was reset a number of times due to block evasion, resulting in a final ban expiry of 26 October 2006. He was also banned for one year from editing articles or talk pages relating to the government or governance of Australia. My take on this is that the latter ban should have commenced on the date of expiry of the former. If so, then Skyring has been in constant (presumably unknowing) violation of that ban since December 2006. Is it appropriate to instate this one year ban at this time?

Hesperian 05:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not an ArbCom member, but my personal opinion would be that per the decision below, the ban would go through September 8 (one year less time served before the one-year ban was instituted). Just because the ban was not in place shouldn't result in the ban being moved backward.  Since Skyring and others were not aware of the ban's precedence, I'd think that a warning that he was banned from the articles would be required before enforcing the ban.  Ral315 » 06:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * To take a wild stab: see the section below where Fred Bauder said The revert parole runs for a year after the one year ban, otherwise it would be a nullity... Therefore I assume that it's similar... Clarification from an ArbCom member would help. - Penwhale &#124; Blast him / Follow his steps 13:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * This is correct, yes.
 * James F. (talk) 18:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Request to formalize a date from which the 1 year topic ban starts. - Penwhale &#124; Blast him / Follow his steps 10:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Skyring was blocked initially on 30 June 2005 for a month, so the topic ban started on 31 July 2005 and ran initially for just one day before Jimmy re-blocked him for a week and refered the case to us. He was then blocked for one year (for the total ban) on 13 August 2005 by Mike. Note that he was blocked under the topic ban in the subsequent week, so the topic ban reached its 6th day on 12 August 2005 before being suspended. Skyring finally ceased to be under block on 26 October 2006, from which point he had a year less 6 days to serve of his topic ban. This would take him up to 21 October 2007, by my calculation.
 * It would not be equitable to either suspend the ban for the period for which Skyring was unaware that he was under ban and then reapply it from now on, and neither would it be so to punish him for our failure to spot that the ban was not being observed. This thus seems to be the most sensible way of dealing. Input from other Arbitrators is welcome.
 * James F. (talk) 16:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Assuming James has all the dates right, I concur with everything he said. Raul654 15:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)