Wikipedia talk:Requests for bureaucratship/Hersfold

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Improperly blocked sock, no comments to user from Heresfold after sock disproved
See this kerfuffle where a user was blocked improperly for being a sock puppet and Heresfold upheld it and argued with the blockee. Mistake is not an issue, I see the similarity of user names. But what I wonder about is the failure to say anything to the user after the affair ended. Someone else had to make an apology.TCO (reviews needed) 03:14, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Why are his older actions so relevant? Is it not intuitive that a young man who has graduated college is likely more mature than the young man who went to college. And does not his recent attributes reflect that maturity. Maybe you can go further back and find some other example. But can you not acknowledge that his most current year has been close to exemplary? My76Strat  talk  03:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hersfold didn't do anything wrong here. The investigation was started by Jéské Couriano, the checkuser request was initially declined per DUCK by Steven Zhang, and was blocked by JzG. Hersfold was right in declining the blocks, the case was strong enough, and a checkuser had not been run. The person who apologized was Jéské Couriano, the person who started the proceedings, and therefore the person who should have apologized. If the best you can get is an incident from 2009 where Hersfold's involvement was auxillary and Hersfold did nothing wrong, you're grasping at straws here.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  03:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The chronology was JzG (Guy) blocking, Heresfold declining, then Jeske resolving the situation. I'm not making some huge thing of this.  Just bringing it forward as another small data point.  I think at least given the vigorous discussion that Heresfold had with the user, that some statement afterwards might have been justified.  But maybe I'm reading it wrong.  I've asked Jeske for his recollection of the situation.TCO (reviews needed)  03:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Could you please make an effort to spell my name right? If you need help, it's in large bold print at the top of this page. And I think the key part of your comment here is "small". Looking through my talk archives, Jeske emailed me following his last comment to the user's page with a link to the SPI where the checkuser had finally been run (I had left involvement in the case at this point). While I can't find the email, I'm guessing it was to make sure that I didn't have anything private showing that Sbs had indeed been abusing multiple accounts. He'd handled the situation and I'd already ended my involvement, so I didn't comment further. It's as simple as that. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 03:39, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * How do you think the user felt? Don't you think he would have appreciated a comment and would it not have been the gracious thing for you to do after you said you thought he was a sock several times?  And I'm NOT contesting the reason for thinking he was, just the action after.  (I will spell your name correctly.)TCO (reviews needed)  03:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I will be point-blank in saying that admins rarely overturn blocks when the blockee uses unblock. Part of this is out of courtesy to the admin who blocked, and part of this is because 90% of the time, the requests are just plain dumb. Also, this happened in 2009. A lot changes over two years in Wikipedia. --Rschen7754 05:31, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Both declines, as well as the "arguements" Hersfold made, were well within reason. The person that was blocked was apologized to by Jeske, the person who brought the charges to begin with. That's plenty good enough.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  14:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)