Wikipedia talk:Requests for checkuser/Case/Skinny McGee

(responding to archive comment)


 * Sorry you don't approve of my archiving skills - I just followed the instructions. I didn't want to archive anything, but as the page was ridiculously long I didn't think I had a choice.  I left the whole discussion of the different versions and the request for comment.  I did link to the archive at the top of the page, so anyone can go and look at it.  If I "hid a link back" as you indicate, I'll fix it if I'm able, but I don't know what you're talking about.  As I said before, I just followed the instructions.  I called it inactive because that's what I was told to do (and it was inactive - we weren't discussing those sections anymore).  Nothing deceptive about it. - Skinny McGee 22:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to archive, but I agree with SkinnyMcGee that User:Peacekpr is taking things out of context here. If SkinnyMcgee was really trying to hide the previous discussions, he would not have included a link at the top of the page to the archive.  Dionyseus 23:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

In my own defense, I would like to say that I do not use sockpuppets. When I first started editing here, I didn't see the need to have a sign-in name, so I posted under my IP address. When I realized that was frowned upon, I created my name and have been editing under that ever since (sometimes I forget to sign in, but never in an attempt to hide what I'm doing). I've always been very straightforward about what I was trying to accomplish. I believe that GuardianZ/Oroboros 1/Peacekpr has an agenda to promote Joseph Vargo and diminish what Midnight Syndicate has accomplished and I'm trying to prevent that. So when they make the same edits over and over again, I take them out over and over again. I acknowledge Joseph's contributions to the two albums he worked on using the credits as stated in the CD booklets. Also, Peacekpr mentions several times in the above accusations that I removed an RFC. That's true - I did remove one RFC because the Midnight Syndicate article was listed twice. If you look at her link, you can see the other entry is still there. This is just a witch hunt. - Skinny McGee 01:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In addition to SkinnyMcGee's comment, I would like to point out that it has been confirmed that User:GuardianZ is User:Oroboros_1's puppetmaster.   User:Oroboros_1 has been indefenitely banned for sockpuppetry.  I don't know who User:Peacekpr is, and he/she refuses to tell me, but I find it suspicious that this user is so strongly interested in this case.  User:Peacekpr's very first edit was on November 22, 2006, and it was an investigation into SkinnyMcgee, and all of User:Peacekpr's edits have been about the case.  Dionyseus 02:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Your comments have no bearing on whether or not SkinnyMcGee is a sockpuppet/puppeteer. I think the both of you are now showing that you are acting together in congress which lead to the edit war. You are attempting to draw attention away from the real issues... This investigation, also NPOV (bias, undue weight, sensationalism and abuse of Wiki to self-promote). I am still awaiting an investigation and I have no agenda here but to uncover what's been going on. I have made no edits to the material, and I (unike you two) have not reverted discussions, references and material in order to hide information. SkinnyMcGee's first edit only appeared after the unsigned edits and after other names were being used. Dionyseus, you have been here editing since last year and all of your edits seem to evoke fierce debates. Many require mediation and arbitration, but you seem to always be involved in something that requires an admin to step in. I personally think you enjoy causing strife. AGAIN, like I said to you before, I will patiently await an investigation before I draw any further conclusions, but those are my suspicions. I am fairly confident that those suspicions will pan out. Also, I am NOT required to tell you who I am, and you are wrong to demand it. Peacekpr 04:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd like to point out that despite Peacekpr's claim that I enjoy causing strife, I've only been involved in two unofficial mediation cases in attempt to resolve content disputes, and in the arbitration case I was cleared of all charges and the filer, User:Danielpi, was blocked for a week by the arbitrators for discourtesy and personal attacks.   Dionyseus 05:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that Defender99 and Skinny McGee are the same only in so far as they came from the same house. Defender99 is a name my husband used just one time to make a very uncontroversial edit to the Midnight Syndicate article. I do not attempt to hide behind sockpuppets as the editing history of the Midnight Syndicate article shows. Since I realized editing under an IP address was frowned upon, I have only edited under my name (and occasionally under the IP address when I forget to sign in). - Skinny McGee 19:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Moving comments for Lizstjames to case talk page.
Futher explanation
 * This band appears to be involved in a legal dispute with a former member, who has indicated that the current members are using the Press and Wiki to try to alter history. Seems to have begun here on Wiki in Nov 2005, then picked up again in Feb 2006, same times as Midnight Syndicate announced and began to promote a cd that is alleged to be similar to one that their former producer released two years prior. Other items cited indicate that current members are trying to alter the past credits of their former member/producer. Former member also alleges some issues with band founder misappropriating album royalties and claiming work he did not do. This has been referenced at an external site [http:www.legionofthenight.com] and throughout the article's talk page.
 * My belief is that Midsyndicate, Skinny_McGee or his sock/meat-puppets are using bias, sensationalsim and undue weight, in presenting current projects and reordering past events or making the past seem insignificant in order to alter current perspective (see my post on article talk page).
 * I also believe that GuardianZ (also sockpuppet) may be editing to balance weight and restore credits of former member. Citations by this opposing side that include older press articles, radio interviews, and copyright documents (published prior to band disagreement) support the claim that current members are now ingaging in deceptive editing.
 * However, the citations presented by GuardianZ are not favorable to current members—as they do show a definite difference between what was then publicized by two of the current members as fact and what is now being publicized by the same two current members—and that degree of alteration is initself unfavorable.
 * Therefore, it is my belief that the current members will continually seek to revert, and that the former will continually seek to edit to present the past as it was initially recorded.

Comments: Once this is done, I intend to evaluate material in article and either request mediation or arbitration. I just want all the facts to present. Peacekpr 03:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Just to be sure we all know what we're dealing with here, I thought you should know User:Lizstjames made one edit in February 2006. User:Midsyndicate made two edits in February 2006.  Neither has had any activity since.  As I've said before on User:Peacekpr's other investigation pages, this is a witch hunt and a waste of valuable time. - Skinny McGee 04:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Please excuse the extensive commentary.
 * This case devolves from an edit war at, now protected.
 * This case page has been merged with the previous check (see below in non-transcluded section of the page).
 * I have indicated two named accounts that are two old for technical check, and removed IPs that are too old for technical check.
 * This case is a repeat of the previous case with the addition of.
 * Technical evidence which is inconclusive will not suddenly become conclusive two days later.
 * With the exception of Dionyseus, a long-term contributor with no interest in Midnight Syndicate prior to the eruption of the edit war, all the other accounts and IP addresses appear to be single-purpose accounts created to promote the band, and may be treated as sockpuppets per policy even if the technical evidence is inconclusive.
 * Both sides in the edit war have used sock puppets, see Requests for checkuser/Case/GuardianZ.
 * The only contributions of are to investigate and pursue Skinny McGee in this matter.
 * Recommend this case be, unless the checkusers wish to check User:Peacekpr . Thatcher131 08:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Dionyseus already did a check on me in an earlier sock report, and I'm not a sock. I would request that you don't reject my request just yet. Yes. both sides are in an edit war. All the above post exactly the same as Skinny McGee, so they seem suspect to me as well. I also did not name the 2 older users Lizstjames and Midsyndicate before because I just came across them in the article history. All the users afterwards are mimicking those two, plus the IPs point to Chardon, Ohio (home of the band). Per the band's website, those two users are members and promoters. I am just trying to get all the facts in order to take the next step towards mediation. I want to know if there are just 2 people waring over this, or more, and if they may be the band itself or fans. It would be pointless to start a vote and have all the socks join in too. Peacekpr 11:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

As to my addition of Dionyseus to the above list, he seems to resent that I was looking into Skinny McGee (and that my suspicions were true), and so I wondered if there was another reason for his anger, other than just being of a different viewpoint. Dionyseus also checked me first, so we're even. If you deny my request just because Dionyseus has more edits, even though he has taken a very special interest in the article, then I only see a breakdown in trust and good faith. (remember, you checked me due to my interest). Well, this argument has made other forums, so it's getting publicized. Peacekpr 11:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I missed the previous check on Peacekpr as it was filed under a new name rather than a continuation of the same case. However the rest of my points remain.  The accounts you added are too old; checkuser records are only maintained for a limited period of time.  I encountered Dionyseus in April editing Chess biographies; I suppose he could also be a member of a goth band, but I suspect he just got interested in maintaining peace between two warring factions.  In any case, inconclusive does not mean the accounts are not sock or meatpuppets, it means they can not be proven or disproven by analysis of their IP addresses.  (There are ways to avoid checkuser detection, which I will not discuss publically.) Thatcher131 12:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * First of all I want to point out to User:Peacekpr that I am not angry, I am merely slightly annoyed and bemused by you. I find it highly strange and suspicious that as soon as User:Oroboros_1 and User:GuardianZ were blocked, User:Peacekpr appears and starts all kinds of investigations into me and User:Skinny McGee.  Who is User:Peacekpr, how does this user know so much more about Wikipedia than the usual newcomer?  As for me, I'm not a member of a Goth band and I never was a member of any band, I would have told User:Peacekpr that if she/he had asked me.  Also, I do not have any sockpuppets, I stick to my username.  Dionyseus 21:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

D. You ran a check first. Now we're even. Moving on. I will acccept that the other one-time unsigned posts in favor of Skinny McGee are socks as recommended by Thacher. Peacekpr 14:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)