Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Archived citations

I would like to see a revised RFC to start this off in one category, for a trial period of a month. That will make it easier to see what this means in practice on en.wp. –SJ + 22:17, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. This RfC seems to be floundering and I'd be happy to close it early and start over incorporating what we have learned. Any other input is greatly appreciated. -  Hydroxonium  ( H3O+ ) 01:29, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the early closure. Before starting a new RfC, I recommend that one article on en.wikipedia be setup as proposed. Pick one with a couple of refs and add the links by hand if needed. The links should go to the real proposed archive page. I highly recommend this page have an English header instead of the French version demonstrated in the current RfC. —UncleDouggie (talk) 06:51, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If you do this please make clear that the added links may be used to determine if Wikiwix has an archived version of the web page, and that this does not mean that dead link repair will be unnecessary. – Allen4names 17:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, such a trial is a good idea. Before you launch the RFC, you need to
 * choose the page or the category where the trial takes place;
 * Leave a few days to Pmartin to archive the links in the said page or category in Wikiwix. It should not take too long in terms of working time, we'll only have to wait until Pmartin is available. Yours, Dodoïste (talk) 22:28, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * See the testing section Requests_for_comment/Archived_citations i have import a small script to add archive in all of links just for the test. But we not storage automatically ( that is mean when a user add a link it s necessary to click on the link [archive] after ), and we not import the external link from the dump of the fondation . You could choose any page you want, and give me your point a view before starting a new RfC first because in french wikipedia we have solve a lot of problem to import correctely pages web ( even my english is bad i have got some people who working for me with a better level :) ). First we have to see the page if we don't find it we got to IA and import the last version or if it s a parking page also we go to IA, but we could work in another process if you want  Sinceraly Pmartin (talk) 03:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I would rather get that in French and take my chances with Google Translate! Smiley.svg —UncleDouggie (talk) 03:45, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Pmartin said that Wikiwix will archive all the links on the test page we choose. But if somebody adds a new link after that, then we will need to click the "archive" link next to that new link in order to cause Wikiwix to archive that newly added link. Also, we should give them some notice so that they have time to archive the links before we start the test as some links may need to come from the Internet Archive if they are already dead. -  Hydroxonium  ( H3O+ ) 06:28, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and I agree with that plan. —UncleDouggie (talk) 13:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have a PHP script that is ready for testing. It can be used either in combination with Template:Citation/core or a modified version of Pmartin's script. It should be noted that I do not have much experience with PHP so someone more experienced should take over maintenance of the script if it is to be used on the toolserver. – Allen4names 15:37, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much, Allen4names. -  Hydroxonium  ( H3O+ ) 22:23, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Support the test.  —  Jeff G.  ツ  02:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

New RfC
Here is what I have for the new RfC so far. "Hydroxonium is the new ruler of Wikipedia and get's to make all the decisions." Everybody is welcome and encouraged to make suggested improvements to this new RfC. Thanks. -  Hydroxonium  ( H3O+ ) 00:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Does anybody else hear the crickets chirping? - Hydroxonium (T•C• V ) 10:03, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Issues
Several issues were raised in the previous RfC. I believe these have all been addressed, but that didn't transfer in to people changing their votes.

Prefering one source/single point of failure
 * Wikiwix can provide an RSS feed of recent changes to allow other archiving services to update their archives.
 * Wikiwix will provide backups of webpages to WMF
 * Possibly store copies of archived webpages on the toolserver or Wikimedia server and pass them to another archive source. Note 1: I beilieve this means an offline copy just for the purpose of passing on to other archiving sites - and not for display to the general public. Note 2: this would be several terabytes of disk space
 * WebCite feeds its contents to the Internet Archive and the Internet Archive has agreed to mirror that content.

Stability
 * Wikiwix has been in use on the French and Hungarian Wikipedia's.

Disabling
 * All the archive links can be removed by disabling the script
 * Individual archive links can be disabled by using class="noarchive"

Advertising/Adult images
 * None of the 3 archiving services have advertsing
 * The issue with adult images has been taken care of

Draft RfC
I started drafting a new RfC several times and decided its better to have the community write it. So I have essentially a blank page here and would like to get others help in writing the new RfC. Everybody is encouraged to edit the page. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (T•C• V ) 10:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC)