Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Megistias

Talk:Turkish_nationalism has also the same problem and dispute. But with far less intensity for whatever reason (probably because its editor did not spread the link of this page all-over Turkish related articles). —Anna Comnena (talk) 14:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really, nationalism of the "Turkic people" has taken many forms wordwide.That article was about

the nationalism of the Turks related to the State of Turkey and there was an attempt to show that it was all Turanism and to de-coidentify it with Turkish nationalism which part is for example Anatolianism.Megistias (talk) 14:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * This article is an original research: There is an internationally accepted definition for Turkish nationalism! this what the talk page says (it has similar problems with Albanian nationalism). —Anna Comnena (talk) 14:41, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Turkish nationalism exists, you are just adopting an opinion of the talk page. Turanism and Pan-turkic movements are many times coidentified with modern Turkish nationalism.Megistias (talk) 14:49, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Turkish nationalism is raging today Economist,Time.Megistias (talk) 14:54, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is called WP:SYNTH, but I do not want to debate on Turkish nationalism. —Anna Comnena (talk) 14:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Turkish nationalism and Albanian nationalism exist. I am more focused on the former, as that is where I am best informed. It must contain a broader range of information not just "Albanian hardcore nationalism" (as you stated on the discussion). The page, as proposed, could be split to Albanian contemporary nationalism or something similar. —Anna Comnena (talk) 14:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * There are two articles, the Rennaisance and Nationalism.Its simple precise and to the point.The broader is in the Renaissance and what occurs "today" is in the nationalism.The articles exist as they are and are viable.You just seem to want to mix more of the renaissance to the nationalism article when there is no reason to.Megistias (talk) 14:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I see it as POV to create a separate page on Albanian nationalism as a national movement (renaissance) and keep the most obvious one Albanian nationalism related to separatism, irridentism and so on. It should be the opposite. —Anna Comnena (talk) 15:05, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats impossible in terms of context.The Albanian nationalism page is modern Albanian nationalism.19th century nationalism in all articles should be just that and modern nationalism the nationalism of a given country.The separate page is not POV, in that logic i could say that its POV for the Greek nationalism page to be mostly a list of extreme right wing nationalist organizations. Megistias (talk) 15:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * We have been talking about this for a month now. And we seem to have no progress whatsoever. "...The Albanian nationalism page is modern Albanian nationalism..., yes but why? —Anna Comnena (talk) 15:18, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats what it is.Albanian nationalism is the nationalism of the Albanians.Megistias (talk) 15:33, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Can you please not flud the "evidence" section with your comments
There is a special section for your reply, please try and use it. You are making the Evidence section somehow confusing to read. —Anna Comnena (talk) 16:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * My replies are only here Requests_for_comment/Megistias what are you talking about?Megistias (talk) 16:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

This is gettin pointless

 * Anna your latest addition is incriminating yourself.


 * Encyclopedia of Indo-European culture,page 9.The linguistic records of Illyrians Thracians and Dacians are just sufficient to make it reasonably certain that they were all Indo-European.Nothing known of them so far shows any particular connection with what we know of Albanian.As shown in my section you used this reference which was saying the same that Wilkes does.
 * Wilkes (1992): "Though almost nothing of it survives, except for names, the Illyrian language has figured prominently…" (p. 67)Megistias (talk) 16:32, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In 17.I am accused of # Misquoting references - Diff - I wikified Greeks to Ancient Greeks.They founded it not modern Greeks.I am accused of proper behavirour.There are more things like this on the page.Megistias (talk) 16:53, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

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I've noticed that the editor that initiated this rfc also accuses admins [], even if they try to help improve Albanian related articles (like Albania, which is really of low wiki standards). Apart from a clear pov initiative, I see that things have settled down these days, especially when the Sarandiot-I_Pakapshem team got blocked.Alexikoua (talk) 20:51, 2 October 2009 (UTC)