Wikipedia talk:Requests for page protection/Archive 4

Proposal to semi-protect calendar days
Please see the relevant village pump discussion. Pascal.Tesson 04:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong support - I've reverted lots of anon. IP edits on these pages, many of which had stayed there - never noticed - for weeks or longer. I too have thought of proposing generic semi-protection for these pages -- so I'm glad Pascal.Tesson finally took the inititative on this issue. Thanks! Cgingold 14:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Please indicate your support on the page linked to, rather than here. --Deskana (talk) 14:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Protection of Webkinz articles
Can we semi-protect List of Webkinz and List of Webkinz games? They are being ruined by those non-users! Superjustinbros. 10:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Right of appeal or not?
A question for an admin is possible. Is there is an appeal process against a decision made? Specifically if a request is made to semi block and it has been declined? Is that it or can someone then appeal against that decision and if so how would that be done? Thank you. ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 22:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Generally, you should start a discussion on the reviewing admins talk page - if you are still not satisfied, you can take it tp WP:AN/I - hope that helps.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  22:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Usually the admins talk is sufficient. The worst thing to do is re-request, because admin-shopping is highly discouraged. You can ask for a second opinion here if you really think it was the wrong decision, but I trust Steel's judgement on this one. -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 19:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't know how to do this but?
I don't know how to do this but my question is: why is the asian page protected?...  This asian —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Punkymonkey987 (talk • contribs).
 * I've replied on the article's talk page. Probably best to keep the discussion there for the moment. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a list of indicators
...like on WP:CHECK?  Mi r a n da  07:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Rephrasing: A table which lists the indicators on WP:RFPP.  Mi r a n da  07:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Like Template:RFPP? ~ Riana ⁂ 07:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes.  Mi r a n da  07:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Already linked in point 5 in the instruction block. If admins can't find it they're not looking hard enough :p ~ Riana ⁂ 08:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Frontline (magazine)
For some reason a section with the title Frontline (magazine), assumed to be in reference to this article Is on the page as its own section. I'm assuming the user who posted it or someone else did not know what they were doing and edited it incorrectly. Because of its placement and lack of a response, can't tell if its been dealt with or not, otherwise I'd just remove it myself, thanks. -- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 19:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Interesting issue brought to my attention
It was recently brought to my attention that searching using the search box for "Sandbox" redirects to Sandpit. This page has not been horribly vandalized, but it does show evidence that may indicate people search for the sandbox and come up with this result, thus generating reversions and really, unwarranted warnings to the users who honestly thought this was the sandbox. (Granted, it does link to the WP sandbox, but not everyone reads at first if they think they can experiment.) I don't feel it really qualifies for page protection, but I also wonder what could be done to alleviate the confusion. Perhaps instead of a redirect, "Sandbox" deserves a disambiguation page? Just my thoughts, wondered what anyone else thought about the issue. Thanks! <font color="CC66FF">Ariel <font color="FF69B4">♥ <font color="0066CC">Gold 09:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added Sandbox to my watchlist. Flyguy649 talk contribs 18:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * and Sandpit, too. Flyguy649 talk contribs 19:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And Sandpit is on mine as well. - Philippe &#124; Talk 18:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't a simple solution be to change Sandbox from a ­­protected redirect to Sandpit to a protected redirect to Sandbox (disambiguation)?? Just my tuppence.--Ramdrake 19:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You're probably right about that redirect. And who knew Sandox redirected to Sandpit? Flyguy649 talk contribs 19:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't. Just found out when I saw this. Somebody must have been distracted that day. Can an admin take care of that? I'm just a lowly editor. :)--Ramdrake 19:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ugh! Even the misspelt Sandox goes to Sandpit!!! Talk about spelling trouble for the poor Sandpit article!!!--Ramdrake 19:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, I redirected Sandbox to Sandbox (disambiguation). Boldly.  And stuff. Sandox too. - Philippe &#124; Talk 20:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it was my initial impulse to create a disambiguation page for "sandbox", but I didn't want to do it without checking here, since the one redirect was protected. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this was kind of... um, odd? lol. Thanks everyone! <font color="CC66FF">Ariel <font color="FF69B4">♥ <font color="0066CC">Gold 21:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

We can always get VoABot II to watch Sandbox (disambiguation) too (as soon as he get's out of the repair shop). -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 23:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Proposal on Sandbox

 * Hrmm, I'm not sure the redirect has fixed it. A user was recently blocked after his edit to Sandpit, where it clearly is somewhere he thought he could edit freely. (That editor had already been warned about inappropriate edits to other articles, so the block was helpful). It would appear looking at the history since the redirect change, that it hasn't helped significantly, and I have a theory about why. The first entry to the disambiguation page says: "For Play", and knowing kids as I do, they don't tend to read the "Fine print" (i.e. the line at the top that does direct to WP:Sandbox), and I really do think that is probably the reason Sandpit is still seeing the type of vandalism it is.


 * So, rather than going and protecting Sandpit, which may have valid edits at times, what about removing the redirect completely from Sandbox, and putting in place a notice that it is not the sandbox, with a link to the Sandbox disambiguation page, and a link to the WP:Sandbox, and Sandbox from editing:


 * Perhaps this seems to be making things more complicated, but it would probably divert the majority of users wishing to go to the WP sandbox there successfully, and since it contained no content to edit, protecting it would not be harmful in any way. Thoughts? <font color="CC66FF">Ariel <font color="FF69B4">♥ <font color="0066CC">Gold 01:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * So basically make Sandbox a (presumably protected) mini-disambiguation to two places. Well, it would be an atypical format for this and this would violate WP:SELF; this is what the headnotes (or whatever the lines in italics at the top of the page are called) are for. However, it may prevent a lot of unnecessary vandalism. If there's consensus that this is a valid solution, then this could be tested for a couple of weeks. If this results in decreased vandalism at Sandpit, it could be kept. If it were tried, my one suggestion would be to add Sandpit directly as a link in addition to Sandbox (disambiguation). And I think I'm going to nominate Sandox for RfD as an unnecessary redirect. Flyguy649 talk contribs 03:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I thought about the WP:SELF thing, and my reasons for doing this are not because I don't want to revert the vandalism to Sandpit, that's just a side effect. My concern is that the new people who genuinely want to learn, practice, and contribute effectively, are simply not seeing the headnotes, as they aren't visible enough to draw attention to them before the user hits the "edit" button. I'd be more than interested to hear alternate solutions, but I would like to help the new users realize that the "Play" area isn't really a play area, lol. The other idea I thought about was to make the headnotes on Sandbox (disambiguation) bold, and put them in a visible color to draw more attention to that, but I'm not sure that would really follow guidelines either, so I came up with the (duplicate) mini-redirect idea. I'm not sure a link to Sandpit would be needed, as that would be the first entry on the Sandbox disamb. page, the same as it is now. (I honestly don't think anyone typing in "sandbox" to the search field is looking for the sandpit article, lol.) I do realize it is unusual, but the situation here is rather unorthodox, one that would not really be found with relation to other pages or disambiguations, so perhaps the solution needs to be unorthodox too? <font color="CC66FF">Ariel <font color="FF69B4">♥ <font color="0066CC">Gold 04:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ariel, you may get more discussion on this if you post this to WP:VPR. It certainly requires wider community input and I don't imagine there are many people with this watchlisted. -- Flyguy649 talk contribs 15:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hrmm, if it becomes such a such a big deal that it gets out of hand, I guess that could be a way to go. I guess I just was looking for an easy solution that would quickly help both the new users, and the folks reverting Sandbox. But I don't want to bother the folks over at VPP, they have enough to deal with every day lol. We can just watch it for now I guess. <font color="CC66FF">Ariel <font color="FF69B4">♥ <font color="0066CC">Gold 15:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

FYI...
...if anyone is interested, I left the following comment at WP:AN re: use of this page. Semi-protection lengths are getting a bit out of control here IMHO. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikirage
Wikirage is the latest and greatest Wikipedia data mining tool. This tool lists the pages in Wikipedia which are receiving the most edits per unique editor over various periods of time, such as over the last hour. With such fast editing, rollbacks, 3RRs, valdalism, etc. are likely. I'm finding pages that need protection through Wikirage. This site seems like a good, constantly updated watch list. There is a write up here. -- <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="Blue">Jreferee  (Talk) 00:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Moved discussion

 * "Edit warriors" he says, only asking for the protection after his third revert. Arrow740 08:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If there was some way to discuss with you and the other edit-warriors on all sides here without reverting, I'd be happy to try. That's what I'm trying to enforce here. Hornplease 08:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You are an edit-warrior, and I suggest you read my dozens of posts to the talk page, many of which touch on the issue of the reliability of Robert Spencer/Jihad Watch as a source for criticism of Islam. In fact, there was a discussion of just that issue months ago and the concensus was that Spencer is such a source. I have made my position on the other material you are removing clear as well, through edit summaries and talk page posts. Arrow740 08:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Finally you wish to discuss something and its in the incorrect location!. This is not a forum for content disputes. Please note, however, that I have read the talkpage and your only substantive contribution is "If you think that Spencer is not a reliable source for criticism of Islam then you're quite wrong", which is really not useful, as it merely a restatement of a position. Finally, I am yet to see any talkpage posts from you that demonstrate a willingness to discuss.Yes, your position has been "made clear", but your position was clear from your endless reversions across myriad articles. Please, read WP:DR and WP:EW.
 * To any and all patrolling admins: feel free to move this OT stuff to the talkpage. Hornplease 08:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Any smearing you just stated about me I could more accurately parrot regarding you. I am not obliged to repeat the arguments of multiple editors including myself ad infinitum to uninformed edit-warriors like you. Please inform yourself by reading the archives where the arguments are made clear, and don't make me repeat this advice yet again. Arrow740 08:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've read them all. They aren't helpful or relevant to the points currenly being raised. Your contribution is zilch. Can someone remove this now? Hornplease 08:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, it may take time, but I do read archives. And the discussion was minimal in nature, lacking in reference to policy, and ended in no consensus.Hornplease 09:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Who can request protection?
Hi,

Recently I requested protection on an article on which I was one of the parties that was reverting. I'm not sure if this is appropriate. Can someone explain whether parties on an article that clearly needs protection are allowed to request it?Bless sins 15:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Anyone can request protection for any page at any time. We hope that you can work out a dispute yourselves, but often the person requesting full protection for a page is one of the participants of the edit war, so it's quite common. -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 22:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Non-admins
I'm curious, are non-admins allowed to close obvious non-protects? (As long as they note it's a non-admin closure of course) I know they can't close protects and salts, but I was wondering if it's okay for non-admins to close obvious non-protects. Acalamari 23:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't really mind as long as they know what they're doing. A few non-admins have helped out intermittently in the past and have generally done a good job. I'd just rather it not become a fad that causes every twinkle user on the site to descend onto this page. – Steel 15:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, if it's a trusted established user, sure. But I'd want them to skip over anything that requires a significant judgment call, just so that they limit their liability... let us take the heat for the tough ones, that's what we're here for.  - Philippe &#124; Talk 22:26, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the responses. Acalamari 00:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

No Archiving?
I can't find the archives for old requests, there seem to be only archives for old talk. Is archiving not desired for some reason? -- Matthead discuß! <font style="color:#ffff00;background:#0000cc;">   O       23:56, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure, but I believe the main reason would be that we get so many requests a day, we would have huge archives. Also, I don't see why it would be worth archiving old requests anyway. Acalamari 00:00, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you do need to find a request, you'll need to look in the history. Any archive of requests would be huge and not very useful anyways. Protection logs are just as useful to see who protected the page, and usually the reason for protection is obvious (vandalism in some cases, or in the case of an edit war it's almost always guaranteed to also be well document on the talk page in the form of several novels). -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 00:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Pretty much second the above.  Voice -of-  All  00:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Question about Page Protection
I was wondering, when admins protect a page and either place the small lock up in the corner, or place the bigger message on the page, is there a difference in usage? Would there be any reason why to use one over the other? Thanks! Icestorm815 23:11, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The advantage of the larger message is that it explains why the page can't be edited (see ). The advantage of the smaller template is that it is not ugly and distracting (see ). Admins use a special calculator to weigh both options and other relevant criteria. Generally, the longer a page is protected, the smaller the template. -- zzuuzz (talk) 23:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I always wanted to know why! Icestorm815 23:37, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Why didn't protection work?
The Plant article is protected from editing by anonymous users right now because of repeated and continuous unproductive edits and vandalism that have to be reverted. Despite this protection, anonymous unproductive edits were made todat. (see this edit and this one.) --EncycloPetey 16:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It did work, but the protection log shows it was set to auto-expire on Oct 6th. It's now Oct 7th, but the template doesn't get automatically removed until a bot notices it. My advice would be wait a few hours (6+, probably, unless it gets really heavy), if vandalism is still ongoing then request protection again. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 16:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's usually pretty fast and up-to-date. :) Jmlk  1  7  00:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

New Idea
Hey, what would you guys think about adding a section in the editing part of the RFPP that would show users what type of text to use? This would be similar to how the UAA and AIV have it. A possible way to do it is shown in my edit. (I don't know how to properly display it on a talk page)

Let me know what you think! Icestorm815 00:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, isn't that information listed, like, exactly the same in the lead under the "Instructions" heading? AllynJ (talk | contribs) 01:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I mean take the one listed on the page and place a copy of it directly in the editing section to make it easier. Icestorm815 19:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't really see the point, personally... I've seen one request ever formatted incorrectly, and that was only because it was using the wrong template, not missing one completely. It seems odd to duplicate the info on the same page, too... AllynJ (talk | contribs) 01:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And it's quite a bit more cumbersome than the instructions on AIV. -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 18:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is just clutter. – Steel 18:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

OK then, just thought I'd see what ya think. Icestorm815 19:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

VoABot suggestion
Hi all. As WP:RFPP has been taking a beating of late in terms of volumes of requests, it's been getting awfully cluttered with old requests. What if we request VoAbot to remove/archive old requests a little sooner that it is now. I think it's currently set to 48 hours or thereabouts. Thoughts? - A<font color= "#FF7C0A">l<font color= "#FFB550">is o n  ❤ 16:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you'll have to ask Voice of All personally to have that changed. It appears to run every hour on the :16 currently. -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 02:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

semi protection requests to all pages commonly attacked by a particular vandal
Can we do something like semiprotect all the pages attacked by X? I'm talking about User:Ararat arev. He is quite 'hardworking', in the past, he used about 300 socks to attack Turkey, and he used some rather old accounts, some hacked. Now he is apparently using anons only (75.51.174.110 along with 68.122.96.243, 75.51.166.225, 76.237.41.125, 76.232.255.11, 76.246.26.68, 76.238.245.248 ...) Should I pick articles and add them here? Admins who were watching those pages protected some of those pages. Thanks DenizTC 20:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've had the same problem with an anon with a floating IP who targets a few pages only but incessantly. Blocks and warnings seem to have little effect. Benjiboi 17:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * To also answer your question ... I think the best solution is revert with polite explanation, document vandalism on user talk page (there is a multiple IP vandalism warning) and when enough vandalism for a particular article has occureed then seek semi-protection for that article. To be fair to the article, why we're here in the first place, make constructive good faith edits while there is protection in place to set a good example for anon that article can improve when not in vandalism mode. Benjiboi 17:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Why allow vandalism when we can protect against it?
I understand the rationale behind allowing anonymous editing. Statistically, their good contributions outweigh their vandalism. But in stable articles there is no benefit to allowing editing - for the simple reason that there is no reason anyone will edit it - and there is a real cost to allowing vandals free license. My specific example is Adam Smith but I'm sure the principle applies to other articles.

Adam Smith is attacked by vandals every day, usually a couple of times each day. Almost the entire history is vandalism or reverting vandalism. There have been tiny edits by registered users, otherwise the article is very stable - except for vandalism. Sadly, sometimes the vandalism is not caught right away. Large sections of the article were missing for some time.

The benefit of allowing IP editing to this article is essentially zero. The cost is damage to the encyclopedia that was not discovered for some time. Users were missing useful information or were reading vandalism. And then there is the cost of editors time to repair the vandalism.

Why do we put up with vandalism in a case like this when we can protect the article with semi-protection? Sbowers3 15:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a discussion that has come up many times over the years (see the link for the most common arguments). I do agree with you to some degree and think that this issue will be even more important to address as more and more articles reach some sort of stable state. The problem is, if we protected all stable articles, we might loose an important way to attract new good editors (at least that's how the argument goes). I've protected Adam Smith for a month to give the article a break from the vandalism. Pax:Vobiscum 02:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Basically, yeah, what PV just said. Per the 5 pillars of Wikipedia, this is "the encyclopedia that anybody can edit" & we have to strive to maintain a balance between openness and the chaos that comes from vandalism. It's one of the reasons the mainpage feature almost never gets protected even though it can be hit dozens of times per minute! Conversely, if an article is rarely vandalised, but the vandalism sticks around before being reverted (especially on a biography of a living person), it can end up being protected - A<font color= "#FF7C0A">l<font color= "#FFB550">is o n  ❤ 04:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

(unindenting) Thanks for protecting Adam Smith. It has made my vandalism reverting easier. I think maybe the question of protection is related to the number of eyes on a page. There are so many people watching the mainpage that vandalism will be detected and reverted almost instantly. (But I'm curious as to whether any good edits have ever come from anon edits to the main page.) An article like Adam Smith has relatively few people watching it so vandalism can last longer and takes more work from vandal fighters. I'm beginning to see a similar problem at Vasco Núñez de Balboa though I am not yet asking for protection. It's a stable page except for vandalism. My guess is that it is a school thing - lots of kids in history classes are reading about Balboa. Eventually, their history classes will move on to other subjects (and the vandals will move to a different article). Sbowers3 15:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * We seem to be facing a similar problem over at "Andy Goldsworthy". I'm guessing that most of the vandalism comes from schoolchildren, given the childish nature of the edits. What worries me is that some of the vandalism is of the subtle kind – changing a date, name or a few words in quotations – which is very hard to spot. However, administrators still feel that there are insufficient levels of vandalism to justify semi-protection. The most recent administrator who turned down a request for semi-protection suggested warning the vandals. I doubt that leaving warning templates on the talk pages of anonymous IP addresses does much good, though. &mdash; Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 01:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've also found that vandals are increasingly moving to subtle vandalism. This is bringing WP into disrepute. WP are big on research into vandalism but need to do some research on the effect vandalism has on the good editors. If editors time is being spent in countering vandalism rather than improving articles, there seems to me to be less incentive to get involved. I don't expect anything to happen to improve the situation until matters are bought to a head. -- John (Daytona2 · talk) 12:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Let's just deal with the kinds of vandalism that are easy to control. What I find the most tiresome is mischievous vandalism, youngsters and bored office workers putting rude words and nonsense in an article or sending messages "behind the teacher's back". The latter often come in quick succession and are especially hard to keep up with, even for the robots whose automated answers to things like "fucku" are couched in ridiculously polite language and must bring howls of laughter. These edits are pretty well always anonymous and can come from aywhere at any time. When we do manage to get a short period of semi-protection, things calm down immediately because working around it is too much trouble, but they soon come flooding back as soon as the semi-protection is lifted. This may be an old issue, but it's also an ongoing problem and I for one simply cannot see why demanding log-in before editing would so compromise the WP community.--John of Paris 15:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

This is a Foundation issue, so there's nothing we can do to change it short of petitioning the BoT. Secondly, there is no such thing as a finished article that is just protected indefinitely. Anons are explicitly allowed to edit every article a user can except ones which are temporarily locked due to vandalism. -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 20:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

A certain amount?
Is there a certain amount of times a page has to be vandalized before it is appropriate to request page protection? My userpage has been vandalized alot lately, mainly due to my vandal fighting, and I was wondering if it is enough to request protection on it? Thanks, Jack <font style="font-variant: small-caps; font-size: 105%">?! 15:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The semi-protection policy states that user pages (but not the talk pages, unless they have heavy vandalism) can be semi-protected at the request of the user, whether there has been vandalism or not to them. I have semi-protected your user page for you. Regarding semi-protection of articles, that can vary; pages hit with vandalism several times a day can be requested here, and so pages that receive a large amount of vandalism within a very short amount of time. Pages that receive vandalism once every two days or one time a week don't need to be semi-protected. Acalamari 17:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Although there is currently disagreement among admins on the userpage semiprotection issue (regardless of what the official policy is/isn't). Just to add to the above, I'm not sure even if one vandal edit a day would warrant semiprotection. It's would be borderline. -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 22:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've started a discussion topic on the Wikipedia:Protection_policy talk page that relates to this. --SallyScot (talk) 23:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Deciphering Wikirules
Okay, I am not a stupid person, and I can't for the fucking life of me figure out when the hell is going on. This entire thing has become so byzantine and fulling of lurking editors, what's the point? I just want to request an unprotection and wow now I have to decipher a template. Christ. Can someone tell me an easier way to do this?


 * Twinkle would make it simpler. Wisdom89 (talk) 00:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Userpages
Can you protect your own userpage, even if it is not a target of vandalism? &mdash; Rudget contributions 16:24, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. --Oxymoron83 16:27, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Could I request it? Thanks in advance. &mdash; Rudget contributions 16:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oxymoron83 has done it. :) Acalamari 16:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * He's certainly quick, I think I counted from that to protection was 34 seconds? :) &mdash; Rudget contributions 16:37, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep; he beat me to it. I edit-conflicted responding to you here too. :) Acalamari 16:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * (3x ec) But I was too lazy to put the ✅ here. --Oxymoron83 16:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to just point out that there is still disagreement on that particular rule. -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 04:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

How long to wait between requests for semiprotection?
The Langston Hughes article keeps getting vandalized by anonymous IPs and has been semi-protected four times this year. When is it time to request the next temporary semi-protection and when is it time to request indefinite semi-protection? The article was only unprotected two days ago and has already been hit by the usual stream of IP vandalism. –panda (talk) 03:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It was completely unprotected between May 16 and October 31, so I don't think it qualifies for indefinite yet. One's been blocked, the rest are on their last warnings (several are schools and can be blocked for 6 months to a year). I'd wait a couple days at least, and my recommendations would be at least a week between unprotection and re-protection. -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 05:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Declined Russia Semi-protect
, that sure is a lot of good faith from anons. Bogdan що? 22:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposed template change
I'm proposing an additional category in the Template:Editabuselinks to reduce the number of posts at WP:AN and WP:AN/I, please feel free to comment here User:Mbisanz/TemplateSandbox. This page is already on the template, hence the notification  MBisanz  talk 13:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Request of unproctection of a User talk page
Can someone please review my request for the unblock of User Talk:Privatemusings. It's been rejected twice now by people who don't understand the ban policy doesn't apply to talk pages. Thanks. -- Kendrick7talk 00:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A little more information and background would be appreciated before we review it. -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 00:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Prodego  <sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk  00:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)It's to the best of my knowledge not policy to protect user talk page like this; I'd just go ask the protecting admin, but he's not an admin anymore. I didn't know this would be a hassle. This user's ban ends in February anyway, so I'm mystified why several admins so far have apparently misread WP:BAN apparently under the impression that paragraph says something it doesn't say. (I'm reminded of the time the clock tower broke, and I kept asking people for the time, and person after person, without looking, would just point to the clock as if I'd suddenly broken, and not the clock). One time is a fluke, second time it's frustrating. -- Kendrick7talk 00:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks Progedo. To continue my analogy, I guess I found someone with a watch. -- Kendrick7talk 01:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Non-admin contributions
So, to further the question of Acalamari above, what ways can non-admins help out here? I have had the page watch listed for a few weeks now and have a general idea of what gets protected and what doesn't. I feel as though I comfortable with denying obvious requests as per the Acalamari discussion. However, is there any other way for non-admins to make the process easier for admins? SorryGuy Talk  04:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say it is fine for obvious requests that should be denied, but the only thing is that I really never see this page get backlogged that much, so I don't know if it really is needed. But like I said, I wouldnt mind non-admins denying obvious requests.  Just my thoughts. <font face="Harlow Solid Italic" size="3px" color="teal">Gonzo fan2007  talk ♦ contribs 04:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I would agree on the lack of back log, requests are almost always dealt with quickly after their listing. Hence, I inquired about other ways to help out. Fair enough, though, SorryGuy Talk  04:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I would have nothing against it, if you notice a request that wont get protected, then I wouldnt be against you denying and stating why. <font face="Harlow Solid Italic" size="3px" color="teal">Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 05:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want to help, you can check for pages that have been protected without a message here, and add a note so the bot removes the entry. Or you could fix obviously misspelled entries (very often, people mistakenly list a redirect for protection instead of the main article). Kusma (talk) 09:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If you are denying requests, make sure you put something about a non-admin decision. I don't think it's really necessary though. If it isn't getting protected anyways, there's no need to rush it. I guess obvious ones could be declined though (like the occasional "I don't like people editing this page" request we get). -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 22:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait, I'm a little confused, besides the minor ways in which a nonadmin could help out (as stated above), they can also deny requests? Could this be expanded on a little more or summed up?Wisdom89 (talk) 00:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Before I received adminship, I helped by pointing out things about the request, reposting requests that were missed, and fixing malformed requests. -Jéské ( Blah v^_^v ) 02:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Please update protected template
An edit request has been on Infobox Officeholder for over a week and other edit requests are starting to build-up. I put a request on this page (see here) on Sunday and nothing has been done. The edit is simple, the code for all four updates now requested is at User:Philip Stevens/Template:Infobox Officeholder, all an administrator has to do is copy and paste. --Philip Stevens (talk) 07:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Page has now been updated. --Philip Stevens (talk) 09:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Question
I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't stepping on any of the admin's toes here. Is it beneficial to give a comment, opinion, or whether or not I support or disagree with a user's request for protection, as I have been doing? <font color="#660000">Wisdom89  ( <font color="#17001E">T |undefined /  <font color="#17001E">C ) 17:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I love this page!
It's one of the easiest to use among all requests-for-admin-help-type pages (compare it to the byzantine instructions on the WP:AN/3 board or the WP:SSP).--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 01:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to have to agree with you there - this page is exceptionally simple to understand, and quick and easy to submit a request and get administrator attention. Extremely efficient. <font color="#660000">Wisdom89  ( <font color="#17001E">T |undefined /  <font color="#17001E">C ) 02:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it's hardly fair to compare this the 3RR board. Determining if a page needs protection is quite a bit simpler than determining if a 3RR vio has occurred, and thus reports there are necessarily more complex. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also true. Comparing this page to say WP:AIV, it's about equal in terms of simplicity. <font color="#660000">Wisdom89  ( <font color="#17001E">T |undefined /  <font color="#17001E">C ) 05:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Reggaeton discussion
about sexism: a reference to a complaint of an oficial Spanish Women Institute about reggaeton; in one edit (when I finish this sure it will be deleted by 74.228.158.68) I have attached the actual text of this denounce to a Spanish network which aired reggaeton tunes. This institute depends on the Canary Islands Government: It´s in Spanish, but sure 74.228.158.68 can understand it. On the discussion page I provided examples of sexist lyrics (by the way, of two reggaeton megahits); if you want, they can be added to the main article. About music facts: first I take the definition of reggaeton (not by me, was already in the article), and then compared it to the melody&harmony definitions on wikipedia itself.

The anonymous users keeps (and will go on) reverting. Seeing his adds, you may realize his a reggaeton fan with not neutrality nor respect of other´s opinions (even facts). As a result of this, I request this page be semiprotected from anonymous edits.--Xareu bs (talk) 10:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * This might have been more suitable for WP:ANI or, better yet, WP:RFC. When in doubt always go with the lightweight dispute resolution process to build consensus first, or talk it out with the user. Generally, pages aren't semi-protected because of POV concerns or content disputes, especially between two users. Cheers. <font color="#660000">Wisdom89  ( <font color="#17001E">T |undefined /  <font color="#17001E">C ) 02:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

state piracy report update and website
Wanted to remove the old BSA reports and replace them with the 2007 version released a few months ago: http://www.bsa.org/country/Research%20and%20Statistics/~/media/Files/statestudy07/statestudy07.ashx

also we should add http://www.piracyisacrime.org to the list of urls. its a site dedicated to copyright infringement and has lots of news about the warez scene Realized (talk) 04:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)