Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/Archive 1

Parallel Interchange
I really, really, really do not like these symbols. They are just too chunky and detract from the rest of the map. I really wish we could do a symbol more like that used on the London Underground Map Canterberry 23:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I Apologize for this, I'm responsible for starting to create these large parallel interchange symbols. I must admit they're not so viewtiful. The initial intention for creating these symbols is to redue the need of additional accessory symbol like the vBHF. -- Sameboat - 同舟 02:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Obviously it would be an effort to change them, but could you re-draw them as 'circles-and-sticks'? ie the station would remain circular, and the interchange would be a simple straight line, perhaps one-and-a-half times the width of a railway line? Would it work even better if more 'colour' were added, for example, using a black line, or black outline/edging, for the interchanges?
 * EdJogg 08:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's the alternative, comment please. -- Sameboat - 同舟 10:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Certainly an improvement. EdJogg 14:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Option 2 and 3. -- Sameboat - 同舟 23:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I like Option 2, but I think we need opinions from a few more editors! EdJogg 00:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, Option 2 looks great, I think it conveys the fact well that the station is linked in a similar manner to the current version; Options 1 and 3 both seem to convey separate stations with some kind of inter-station link.... something like the Birmingham stations that are in walking/taxiing distance. Geoff Riley 05:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Option 2 Great work. All of the proposed option are a massive improvement, but option 2 floats my boat. Canterberry 07:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, I think it's enough support to confirm the replacement by option 2. Before that I want to gather the opinion from more users if I should overwrite the current version by option 2 or not. -- Sameboat - 同舟 10:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Firstly, did you create them all (or, at least, the first ones)? If so, then most of the battle is won. Have a look at North London Line to see several in use. Points to note here are:
 * Representation of Stratford will be greatly enhanced, as an interchange between different lines
 * Camden Town will be improved (highlighting presumably disused platform)
 * Gospel Oak can be displayed correctly
 * etc
 * I think you'll need to go to the original talk page to get a wider audience. Not everyone will have added this page to their watchlist when it was created.
 * EdJogg 13:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think option 2 would look better with a paler shade of grey. The current shade does not contrast well against the red, in my view. --Dr Greg 11:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * OK~ take a look at 2a. I finally study the svg rather than using Inkscape to generate the graphic. So this version is greatly optimzed and smaller in size. -- Sameboat - 同舟 12:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Great! I vote for 2a. What do others think? --Dr Greg 16:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Just come across this discussion via the original talk page. I have been comtemplating this for a while, specifically when I was constructing the route diagram for Shields Junction. I could add further examples in the Scottish network that I have come across whilst construction route diagrams. Barrasie falls into the same category as Camden Town where the secondary line platforms are not closed. I believe that this revision will enhance the route diagrams. --Stewart(talk) 13:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * ..and yes I vote for 2a - can we have horizontal versions as well. --Stewart(talk) 17:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * 2A Gets my vote.Canterberry 19:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * 2A is my favourite, too. AlexTiefling 22:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Finally I have replaced all CPIC set with option 2A. Due to recent(?) Commons Wikimedia server disturbance, e_le, ut_l, ut_r, ut_me, uex_m may display the old version. -- Sameboat - 同舟 03:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

As the "grouch" that started this topic off, may I just say that the revised symbols are really great. They are a fantastic improvement. Thanks to all those that helped the debate, and to Sameboat - 同舟 for the work in changing them. I know its a small change in the bigger picture, but I really liked the way that editor came to togther in a strongly positive way to improve the symobls. If only WP was always like this. Thanks everyone. Canterberry 09:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hoho, at the very beginning I have no reason to feel against your thought. The reference of Londer Underground official diagram does inspire me to improve the old set. For the incorrect display, I've nominated those to deletion, once granted I will upload them again. Recently Commons Wikimedia does act strange... -- Sameboat - 同舟 13:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Icon corruption

 * Congratulations - I have already used some of these, however as you have put so much work into this I feel really bad pointing out that there are a few you have missed. However some of these may be as a result of the "commons disturbance". --Stewart(talk) 21:11, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * OK I now see that most of these you have nominated for deletion due to corruption. How fustrating!! --Stewart(talk) 21:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps I'm using a wrong terminology, anyway I will keep an eye on this. -- Sameboat - 同舟 23:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Found all bar one - uexCPICm - were working correctly on my desktop (running Netscape 7), so I cleared the IE6 cache on my laptop. uLUECKE does not appear to exist now. --Stewart(talk) 22:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * After the deletion and reupload of uLUECKE, I understand that the path is "cursed". Right now the only thing I can do is to upload the file as another name - uLUECKE2. As I have read in the previous discussion, a rename bot is suggested to help repairing the diagram. -- Sameboat - 同舟 02:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Also here're my SVG backup, just in case.


 * CPIC set
 * LUECKE set
 * Remember to right click the link to "save target as..." since Geocities prohibit off-site link. -- Sameboat - 同舟 04:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't allow download even with "save target as..." -- you just get an advert from Yahoo Japan. If you make a webpage with the links on and give the link to the web page on geocities.jp then it will possibly work. Geoff Riley 05:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * oops, try this please. BSICON.html -- Sameboat - 同舟 05:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup, that works thanks. Geoff Riley 18:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Neither the ?action=purge nor cache cleaning work to force the computer to load the correct data. Since I can load the correct uLUECKE on another computer with different ISP. I suspect that is caused by something else... -- Sameboat - 同舟 07:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Request for new symbols
I'd like to show a river and rail route running side-by-side with a total of four rail-over-river bridges. Would it be possible for someone to make up a horizontal WASSER symbol and also some of the curves in the light blue water colour? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.74.164 (talk) 11:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Granted File:BSicon HWASSER.svg -- Sameboat - 同舟 07:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

U
For interchange with another system, couldn't the letter U be used instead of S? If this exists on the german version (for U-bahn), it would be ideal as it uis their equivalent of a metro. I am not saythat we should call everything here U-bahn. U could be applied more universally. Simply south 14:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm in fact tend to leave them alone. DE users indeed create Route diagram template for different intention in contrast to EN users whom they think have somehow "changed" the original purpose of the project. This is evident that they never apply the interchange set such as vBHF and CPIC. And they use the blue set for railway in a quite different way, not the general case though. Still there's no universal principle to be applicable in varied regions. Not a great deal to alter the S to U or other alphabet. It only requires simple xml and svg coding, but make sure that would be worthy. And give the example at where you will place the new icon. -- Sameboat - 同舟 16:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Request for new symbols - 2
I have discovered that Shalford Junction (to the south of Guildford) was a triangle -- the south-facing chord has long since been lifted. I have updated Portsmouth Direct Line to show this feature, but I cannot adequately correct the North Downs Line map, which is the main article for the route, owing to the lack of a suitable icon. I need something similar to an ABZ_rd, but rotated 90deg anti-clockwise.

There are many other combinations of such junctions which are not yet catered for, either. Could anyone provide a suitable junction icon for me please?

EdJogg 16:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

ENDEa and ENDEe
What do these symbols mean? Their descriptions are "Line start/end on open line"; what exactly does this mean? Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 04:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hm, never mind, I think I've got it. Thanks anyway. Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 09:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for new symbol
Is there a symbol like BSicon TurmBHFo.svg, except with a circle the size of that in BSicon BHF.svg? If not, I would appreciate it if someone made one. Thanks, Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 09:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm actually expecting the superimpositing to solve your request. But the consensus above has been dead-alive for few days... -- Sameboat - 同舟 11:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Superimpositing? … Sorry, I'm confused. Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 04:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * oops, you may yet know that Wikipedia_talk:Route_diagram_template. The DE users oppose to the increasing of BS icon. PeterCX's compsite icon template may help, but he seems to be waiting the reply from DE users. -- Sameboat - 同舟 06:43, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for new symbol 4
I would like a symbol similar to File:BSicon SBHF.svg, File:BSicon SBHF1.svg, File:BSicon SHST.svg, but instead of the S-Bahn symbol, there is a British Rail/National Rail symbol in the middle. If there isn't one, I would be very grateful if someone could make one. Thank You. -- APHST (talk) 21:31, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don’t think that would be allowable for legal reasons — these icons are, preferably, in the public domain. The British Rail symbol is subject to both copyright and trademark, and I don’t think it would be accepted as fair dealing to use it in a standard template. David Arthur (talk) 22:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Colour and Style usage
I've been looking at a lot of templates recently, both in the UK and in the USA, Singapore, and elsewhere. There doesn't seem to be a consistent usage of some of the presentations despite what Railway line legend says. Can I list what I believe is the predominant usage and, if others agree, could we add this to the top of the project page as a guide to users. It also makes me wonder whether we should have a dashed for 'under construction / proposed' (as opposed to the dotted which are below ground lines). and maybe a 'hollow' (outline) one for connections. Yes, this would complicate the template options again but it might make it clearer for readers to see the actual routes being talked about in the text because they would now be more obvious. --AlisonW (talk) 13:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I would change the terminology for the rail symbols from MAIN LINE to HEAVY RAIL; and METRO to LIGHT RAIL and make a suggestion for connections. The Heavy Rail follow the way I have been building the Historic Scottish Railways route diagrams. --Stewart(talk) 15:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that we should use the different coloured icons to differentiate the main line railways from light railways or rapid transit systems - especially when both types need to be indicated on the same diagram. Part of the problem has been the shortage of the blue light rail icons until fairly recently. To produce a complete diagram it has often been necessary to use the standard red ones. I've recently expanded the range of blue variant icons by added some new ones, but the catalogue of pictograms does not cater for things like closed tunnels or closed stations in operational tunnels so these can only be seen at Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set blue. There is still a shortage of blue junction icons and until all the variations of the red set are duplicated in blue this is probably going to be the way it stays. --DavidCane (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I’d warn against using the phrase ‘heavy rail’, because it’s even less consistent than ‘light rail’; in the U.S., they call metros heavy rail. On the whole, I find that the template is generally used in a self-explanatory way; it isn’t always exactly the same on every article, but that’s because needs are different. I don’t think creating a new style for ‘proposed’ would help, as it would be difficult to make it recognisably different. David Arthur (talk) 18:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for new symbols
There are blue versions of these: Appreciate if someone could create a red version for these. I can't seem to find any combinations to superimpose a red version. - oahiyeel talk 13:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Now in table (BSicon tUKRZo.svg BSicon tUKRZu.svg). --DavidCane (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! - oahiyeel talk 06:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for new symbols
Having created a page for the Headcorn & Maidstone Junction Light Railway, I find myself in need of new symbols creating. This is because I need to differentiate between what was actually built (Headcorn K&ESR station and Tovil Goods branch) and what was projected and granted an Act of Parliament for but not built (Headcorn K&ESR to Tovil Goods). Therefore, using the route diagram template I need the following created:- tKRZO (line under still in use) and tBRÜCKE (bridge over road). Mjroots 19:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I've managed to create the desired images as jpgs.



✅File:BSicon_tKRZo.svgFile:BSicon_tBRÜCKE.svg ClemRutter (talk) 15:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Can I use these in the template or do they have to be converted to .svg format? Mjroots 11:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Guess that answers that then! At least you can see what I need! Mjroots 11:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I understand your aim to show the unbuilt and the closed sections of the line differently, but the icons set does not do this. The same light shade is used for unbuilt, closed and proposed sections of line. Although there are icons for tunnels passing over tunnels which use the bridge symbol stylistically to indicate a grade separation, the icons that you're proposing are illogical - tunnels passing over a bridges with a surface line beneath. To separate the unbuilt from the closed I suggest you use the border icon BSicon uSTR+GRZq.svg and add a note in the text column. Also, as a light railway, the blue set of icons should be for the diagram. I've made some further comments on the talk page for the article. --DavidCane (talk) 00:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * When I posted the jpegs they were showing as huge! Now they are showing as correct size. If it should be in blue, then why is the K&ESR diagram in red? - as are all other diagrams for preserved railways that I've seen. The revised diagram does not convey the situation at all. Mjroots (talk) 07:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See also the diagram for Watercress Line where the closed line between Alton & Winchester is shown using the dotted symbols. Even the 15" gauge Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch Railway merits the line in red! Mjroots (talk) 08:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I expect the other line diagrams were created using the red set because the blue set was previously only partially implemented (it still has some missing icons) so the red set was used out of necessity. A diagram in red is better than no diagram and, personally I'm not too bothered myself one way or the other, but the red set is intended for a "Heavy rail or freight line" and the blue set for a "Light rail or metro line" - as shown at the top of the first table. Thus, when a new diagram is created, the blue set should be used for light railways. Where this does cause problems is where light rail blue and heavy rail red need to merge as those icons, in most cases, don't exist yet. With regard to the dotted symbols on the Watercress line these are not the same as the tunnel icons. I've put the two side-by-side below and made them a bit bigger than usual so the differences are clearer:
 * BSicon LSTR.svg BSicon tSTR.svg
 * The first icon and its variants is used to show an interruption to a line and is also often used at the start or end of a line to indicate that railway line continues beyond the end of the line being diagrammed - this is what is being indicated on the Watercress Line diagram. The second icon and its many variants is used for lines in tunnel and shouldn't be used for anything else. --DavidCane (talk) 23:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Further request for new symbols
I've been creating a diagram for a mixed gauge line. Have managed so far with standard symbols, but really need two new ones creating - they do not need to be added to the main list. Firstly, a triple junction from left. Line curving up to be dark red, line going straight on to be dark blue, line curving down to be light red (possibly called SPL1). Secondly, a vertical line with junction curving up to left, the vertical bit to be dark red, the line curving up to left to be light blue (possibly called SPL2).

Would someone please be kind enough to create these two icons. It would help make the diagram much clearer. I'd do it myself but my computer is very old and can't handle .svg files. Many thanks. Mjroots (talk) 21:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

SPL2 not now needed. Still need SPL1 for Chemin de Fer de la Baie de Somme and Résau des Bains de Mer articles. Mjroots (talk) 10:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC) Been created for me now! Mjroots (talk) 18:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

utCPICAr
I have a request for a symbol for utCPICAr (the only missing accessible metro tunnel parallel interchange symbol). If anyone can make one, it would be very much appreciated. Geoking 66 talk 00:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

There you go. Jack1254 (talk) 17:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you guessed it. Another symbols request
I just wish to have Blue versions of xENDEe, xENDEa and associated symbols for former lines.


 * The first part of the request is up. Jack1254 (talk) 18:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the first. Simply south (talk) 18:07, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Another i would to request is (visual request here. Just needs to be designed in .svg)



As well as associated symbols. Simply south (talk) 16:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * All of these combined symbols now exist. see [] --AlisonW (talk) 11:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

uexKRZo
I need this one creating for use in Résau des Bains de Mer article please. Mjroots (talk) 10:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

File:BSicon vABZrl.svg
Could someone flip this about the horizontal? I would try to do it myself, but I don't know what to call it. Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 23:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you are describing what would be File:BSicon vABZlr.svg? will create shortly--AlisonW (talk) 18:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Consolidated view of available pictograms
I've been trying to work out what does and doesn't currently exist. The existing catalogue page is maintained manually and is not the easiest thing to edit because of the positional parameters and, having tried and failed to automate it using template syntax I've now created a more complete index in my userspace. It is not absolutely complete (yet!) but includes most of the parallel rail sets and mixed lines too. As it displays all that exist by each of the codings without manual intervention it should, at least, enable faster checking as to what exists or needs creating. It is, of necessity, a long page and a little slow to load. It also makes clear that some icons have been misnamed... --AlisonW (talk) 18:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, and thank you very much. It's a real tour de force. Marc Shepherd (talk) 19:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks ;-) It is very much a 'work in progress' as I'm creating missing icons and searching out others too. --AlisonW (talk) 19:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

i am very much impressed by alison w's efforts and look forward to future progress. Dkpintar (talk) 12:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I've again tried to find a way around the CSS 'hack' but there doesn't appear to be one. On the other hand, the current icons page is severely limited. I've thus left the page I've developed in user space (as it doesn't meet accessibility for screen readers and non-CSS capable browsers) but linked it from the main page to assist other route diagram developers.
 * --AlisonW (talk) 15:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Finding example usage
On occasion, I've seen a pictogram, and wondered, "How would that be used?" Normally, the obvious way to answer this would be to click on the pictogram, and then click "What links here" from its image page. That doesn't work, probably because the image names are constructed artificially within the templates.

For instance, if you click on and then "What links here," you see that it is used only on a few talk pages, which is obviously not the case. Is there any other way to do it? Marc Shepherd (talk) 20:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * um, you don't need that second step, just look at the file links section for all the places the image is used. --AlisonW (talk) 21:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Request for tunnel station icons
I've been waiting for some tunnel stations, such as tBHFl, tBHFr, tHSTq. Appreciate if someone could create them. Maxima m (talk) 03:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll make them all shortly; check on my User:AlisonW/Rail_Icons stations section later this evening. --AlisonW (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * All variations now created and available. --AlisonW (talk) 00:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Two Requests for symbols
I have two requests for symbols: 1) BHF-ELEVa and BHF-ELEVe to show through stations which are elevated but also at the end of the elevated section. 2) INT style parallel interchange symbols —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anywikiuser (talk • contribs) 17:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The first two already exist, though you'll need to blame the Germans for them being called KBF not BHF: KBFa-ELEV and KBFe-ELEV ('-ELEV' always comes after the rest of the prefix-ID-suffix code) are what you want. On the second, there are an awful lot of parallel exchange (CPIC) icons; was it one in particular that you needed first? --AlisonW (talk) 19:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ooops .. just realised I mis-read you. Practice for the through stations has been to use two rows; one showing the elevated station the second to show the end of elevated. Putting the two in one symbol doesn't really make for clarity at the 20px size. --AlisonW (talk) 19:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Of course, something easier is to merge two icons, but use it if you really do have to. – PeterCX&amp;Talk 12:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Better solution added. – PeterCX&amp;Talk 13:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

our icons on spoorstrip
does anyone else think as i do, that the "Spoortstrip" program needs a major update to reflect the new icons we now have? i have written to harry and am waiting a response to my suggestion of changing the "tabs" by both name and content. comments???? Dkpintar (talk) 11:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It probably depends on how Spoorstrip accesses the icons it uses. If it has a fixed list of them then there will be issues with it ever been fully up to date (for a start, I've created over 120 icons mostly filling in the gaps) but if it uses them directly from commons then it would be fine. Also note that some icons are not on commons but only on a single project (eg. DE has a few like that which have notices to not copy them to commons). --AlisonW (talk) 12:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Spoorstrip seems to use, at this time, a fixed list. as i said above it really needs a major overhaul to bring it up to par with what has been done here. except for DE's request, i don't know why our current[EN],list, at least, could not be used for temporary  Spoorstrip update. i am still waiting for harry's response. btw, kudos to you, alison, for all the effort you have out into your updates & changes. 80.5.118.161 (talk) 11:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for new symbols
Is someone able to fill two gaps in the symbol tables: Thanks. Bazza (talk) 15:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * eABZrg-ELEV, being a version of BSicon ABZrg-ELEV.svg with the branch closed.
 * exSTRrf-ELEV, being a "down direction: to right" version of BSicon exSTRlf-ELEV.svg.
 * ok i am doing it now~ – PeterCX&amp;Talk 09:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Done.
 * eABZrg-ELEV, exSTRrf-ELEV BSicon eABZrg-ELEV.svg BSicon exSTRrf-ELEV.svg
 * – PeterCX&amp;Talk 10:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Excellent service!! Thanks very much. Bazza (talk) 12:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

And there's more...! For Launceston branch line there is a disused light rail line that crosses both disused and in-use heavy rail lines which calls for some new variations of KRZ. More contorversially, near the top there are two exLUECKE lines that meet at Okehampton. In my original draft they did not join but this gave the impression that it was an alternative through route, which it is not. Would an exLUECKE style of ABZfg be allowable, or can someone suggest an existing icon that would do the job? Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * To prevent the appearance of non-existent routes use a spacer (STR usually) in the main route to create a gap between them, similarly use two KRZ pictograms, one for each line, rather than try creating a 'combination' one. The route diagrams are already massively not to scale so clarity is more important. --AlisonW (talk) 14:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * and re the Okehapton former lines, use text only and don't include Oke itself?

I'm not sure how using two KRZs would help. The Plymouth and Dartmoor Railway should be blue - it was horse-worked and narrow gauge so I dont want it to look like it should connect with the main line. Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the light-red C-loop? Do you need light-red-crossing-light-blue and red-crossing-light-blue for the two junctions? – PeterCX&amp;Talk 04:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

That's the one. Light red vertical + light blue horizontal for one; dark red vertical + light blue horizontal for the other. (I guess at some point they will be needed rotated 90 degrees for a diagram of the Plymouth and Dartmoor line, whenever I get around to writing that one.) Geof Sheppard (talk) 08:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * emKRZ, exmKRZ BSicon emKRZ.svg BSicon exmKRZ.svg
 * – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 08:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks! Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

More on Spoorstrip
i am slowly but surely laboring and updating harry's Spoorstrip ™ program with icons based on those new ones here and on alison's user page. i am dropping some of his panels, motorway, footpath and naviagtion to name a few, adding new ones and reorganising the others. it's all done by hand with much cross checking, but i hope to have it done within a week to 10 days. contact me if you are interested. i'll be sending him a copy also. Dkpintar (talk) 19:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for new symbols 05-Feb-2008
Is someone able to generate the following four symbols, please?


 * eHKRZo-ELEV - a version of 15px with the vertical line closed
 * eABZ3lf-ELEV - an elevated version of 15px
 * exSTRlg-ELEV - an elevated version of 15px
 * exHELEVa - a closed version of 15px

Thanks. Bazza (talk) 17:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The first icon should be named xHKRZo-ELEV, as the line is close but the feature is open.– Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 17:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Done.
 * xHKRZo-ELEV, eABZ3lf-ELEV, exSTRlg-ELEV, exHELEVa 15px15px15px15px
 * – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 03:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much. Bazza (talk) 14:11, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

different fonts for station names
below are the different fronts i have found when confronted with problems indication names for parallel stations and the like. [the line colours were arbitary to help set up the picture] however i need some help to give the actual codes used to achieve them and i am having trouble. can anyone give a suggestion? thanks

Dkpintar (talk) 14:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * (Table ended by me)
 * Perivale Tube Station should be Perivale tube station. Wikipedia is Case Sensitive. Correcting the article name should change the first 6 lines to blue. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 15:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

thanks peter! i appreciate the case-sensitiveness of wiki now. i'll make changes in my table. but for me, sometimes "red" is appropriate for indication of stations, like in parallel lines OR in diagrams with two separate branches. Dkpintar (talk) 09:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Bridge icon request
Having drafted an article for the closed line from Bog Walk to Port Antonio in Jamaica, I find that a required Rail icon seems to be missing. If one of the .svg aces would oblige it would be very much appreciated:


 * File:BSicon exWBRÜCKE1.svg and File:BSicon eWBRÜCKE1.svg (they are presumably the same) – long rail bridge (closed) over water.

An interesting and unusual feature of the line was its use of combined road and rail bridges. These were built c1895 and spanned c500 feet over rivers but (if I recall correctly) were only wide enough for one or two very narrow lanes of traffic, with the rails running up the middle. They were treated like large level crossings, with gates to halt the road traffic while the trains trundled slowly across. Examples (note that in all but the first of these, a modern road bridge now parallels the former combined bridge):


 * Wagwater Bridge
 * Spanish River Bridge
 * Swift River Bridge
 * Rio Grande Bridge

If it is considered appropriate, a unique symbol for these would look good in the article. The full set needed in the article would be:


 * Bridge still open to road traffic, railway closed
 * Bridge completely closed

-Arb. (talk) 14:24, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. exWBRÜCKE1: BSicon exWBRÜCKE1.svg – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 15:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That was very quick. Many thanks. Any thoughts about an icon for the combined road/rail bridges? -Arb. (talk) 20:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Interchange request
I was just now wondering whether as well as having horizontally, this could be done vertically and also others with the four corners. Simply south (talk) 12:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * But a station is usually shown in one row. How to name that station if the station extends to a few rows?– Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 14:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd debated this too, then concluded that it was getting towards complete overkill. Euston northern line, for instance, would actually be better represented vertically than horizontally, but the use of BSicon on route diagrams is already so geographically inaccurate it would be pointless. There is - possibly - one exception to getting by without just the horizontals, which is where one station (eg RER, Crossrail) serves two separate other stations (eg Metro, Tube). They won't be easy icons though as they'd impact upon the other diagonally-involved squares too, suggesting that overlays would be the right way to go. --AlisonW (talk) 19:48, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Then I propose CPIC link in any of the 8 directions, of any combination should be allowed. 4 corner icons with a little triangle on one of it's corner respectively are also needed, if I have not misunderstood.


 * Naming is a troublesome problem. My proposal to station icon names is:
 * u, t, e, x prefixes as usual;
 * INT for interchange;
 * H for horizontal lines, nothing for vertical lines as for existing icons;
 * CPIC;
 * A for accessible stations, if needed;
 * CC for cut+cover stations, if needed;
 * l for link on the right BSicon XBHF-L.svg, m for link on both horizontal sides BSicon XBHF-M.svg, r for link on the left BSicon XBHF-R.svg;
 * f for link above, m for link on both vertical sides, g for link below;
 * identifiers for diagonal links^;
 * a for BSicon KBHFa.svg terminus, e for BSicon KBHFe.svg terminus, l for BSicon KBHFaq.svg terminus, r for BSicon KBHFeq.svg terminus;
 * -ELEV for elevated railway, if needed.
 * ^ I don't really know how diagonal links should be named. I guess identifiers with l and r are not suitable since names can be ambiguous. I have thought of ne, nw, se, sw just as cardinal directions, or using numbers to make names shorter, such as 1, 2, 3, 4 in the true heading order, quadrant numbers as in coordinate system, or 1, 3, 7, 9 as in number pad.


 * Corner icons can be named as:
 * CPICc1, similar to BSicon BS2c1.svg ;
 * CPICc4, similar to BSicon BS2c4.svg ;
 * CPICc2, similar to BSicon BS2c2.svg ;
 * CPICc3, similar to BSicon BS2c3.svg ;


 * Comments? – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 15:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I return to the question of Why? though. What actual *benefit* would creating all these new icons actually provide the reader? It isn't that we will be 'more accurate' in our route diagrams - they are already and will remain completely inaccurate as they would otherwise be geographical maps - nor that, so far as I can see, there would be any additional useful information added by their use. On the down side, they would probably reduce the ease of maintenance of the route diagrams even further. My comment, therefore, is that we choose to not go down this route as it would massively over-complicate matters for no apparent user benefit. (ie I do not deny that as editors we might find enjoyment in having such options available to us to 'play with', but it won't actually benefit the reader of our wonderful encyclopaedia!) --AlisonW (talk) 17:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * But didn't you mention it is useful to identify connected stations? But yes, I found the combination of icons to be too many too. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 00:36, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

spoorstrip revision
this is taking longer than i expected; i'm trying to include many of alisonw's icons. i hope to have it done soon. there will be significant changes to some of the icon names & locations. when it's ready, i'll e-mail copies to anyone who requests it.

Dkpintar (talk) 09:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

misaligned icon
Not sure if anyone noticed, or if this is important at all, but the icon BS2cro is slightly misaligned to BS2lf (or the other way round), causing a not-so-smooth curve :) - oahiyeel talk 21:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems that the fourth pair, BS2rf+BS2clo, has some problem too – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 07:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow. the misalignment becomes so obvious when magnified. maybe some svg experts can help to correct them - oahiyeel talk 10:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * looks better now? – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 15:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, looks great now! :) - oahiyeel talk 03:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Request: Airport stations
(u/ut/)BHFFLUG and (u/ut/)KBF(a/e)FLUG (i.e., stations with the airplane icon) would be really great - for example on Piccadilly Line for Heathrow Airport's terminal stations. — Hex    (❝  ?!  ❞)   03:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Isn't adding a FLUG next to the station possible? Quite a number of airport stations are marked in this manner. Airport Express (MTR), East West MRT Line, Narita Express, KLIA Ekspres, Pittsburg/Bay Point–SFO Line, just to name a few. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 11:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Even the railway line legend uses BSicon FLUG.svgBSicon BHF.svg notation.– Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 12:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, no problem - that's much less effort. Thanks, I still have a bunch to learn about this shiny diagram system. — Hex    (❝  ?!  ❞)   20:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

New icon needed
I need a variation of ueABZdg creating, with the in-use blue line changed to in-use red. This is needed for the Réseau Breton article, where the former metre gauge line from Carhaix - Guingamp - Paimpol was converted to standard gauge and is still open. Once this new icon is created I can re-jig the diagram to show this line as heavy rail and open. I've not altered the diagram yet as it would look daft with an incorrect symbol in the middle of an open line. Mjroots (talk) 13:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * e Mjroots (talk) 13:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. mueABZdg: BSicon mueABZdg.svg. It's up, but it's not showing up in the table Allison's table... Jack1254 (talk) 17:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, have now redrawn the diagram. Looks much better. Mjroots (talk) 19:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Request: small underground station with accessibility icon
PeterCX, could you please make versions of and  with a small feature, a la ? I'm new to this, but I think they'd be called uACCBHF and utACCBHF. Many thanks. — Hex    (❝  ?!  ❞)   02:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * But what "small feature" do you want? – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 12:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe an ACC icon BSicon uACC.svg in an HST-sized icon BSicon uHST.svg? – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 12:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, should have been clearer - that's exactly it. — Hex    (❝  ?!  ❞)   20:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh that's fine. uHSTACCBSicon uHSTACC.svg, utHSTACCBSicon utHSTACC.svg – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 06:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. — Hex    (❝  ?!  ❞)   13:02, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Shape of WASSER curves
Can the shapes of curved river icons be modified?

I was waiting for curved river icons, for a railway line along a winding river, Sagano Scenic Line. There uex cins were used instead to represent a river. Now WASSER curves are ready, and someone kindly found and replaced in the route diagram of the same line in Japanese Wikipedia (here), but they looked worse.

A better shape I think is a simple 1/4 circle, so I substituted back the curves alone (here) to uex ones. What do you think? --Maxima m (talk) 06:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow I have never noticed such river curves.
 * But in order to have smooth rivers, I guess another thing important is to standardize the river used in bridges and tunnels. Before making any 90° turns, I guess we shold first draw a 'standard' svg path for straight river for all water-related icons. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 08:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Borders (Grenze)
It's not clear what the two different border types represent... which one should be used to separate American States (New York-New Jersey for example) and which ones for International borders? Or is the first with the circle for a station stop, and the second one with just the dashed line for "border without stop...?"

I was able to superimpe two icons together to create a missing one for the NY-NJ border, which is in a tunnel, using the Superimpose template:

but I'm curious what the convention should be. Wlindley (talk) 16:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I've read it as the one with the circle as being a customs / national border, and the line only as being a separation between rail management areas, etc. But I might be wrong! --AlisonW (talk) 19:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * From my memory of route diagrams I have seen, I am also sure that BSicon lGRENZE.svg denotes an international border, and BSicon GRZq.svg denotes other borders, such as state borders. And your icon should be File:BSicon teGRENZE.svgBSicon teGRENZE.svg, by convention. Note that the CURRENT teGRENZE is not up to standard, so please DON'T use it. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 02:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * teGRENZE is of correct dimension and stroke-dasharray now. Now possible to be used. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 13:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Wlindley (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Minor station interchanges, and accessible interchanges - thoughts?
If you look at the history of Template:Chelsea-Hackney Line you can see that the accessible station icons I used for it got replaced by someone with uINT icons for interchanges with the London Underground, thus losing the information regarding accessibility. What could the workaround for this be? Also, should all the uINTs be the same size (that of a larger station)? It seems like there should probably be some visual distinction between huge interchanges like King's Cross St. Pancras tube station and little ones like, say, Leytonstone tube station. — Hex    (❝  ?!  ❞)   13:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * BSicon INT.svg and BSicon ACC.svg icons seem to be the styles used by London Underground. Then I am not sure what is the icon used by them to represent interchange+accessible.
 * Also for BSicon HST.svg-sized interchanges, I don't know what border and radius are suitable for such icon. Probably readers can get ideas from the number of colourful roundels next to that station. Some thoughts? – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 15:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've always taken it that HST stations are non-interchange by definition and BHF/INT size are used for interchange and termini. --AlisonW (talk) 09:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Better icon replacement?
The icon of this type: 20px looks better and fits in a smoother curve than this type: 20px. Problem is, there isn't a complete set of the 1st type, and i also have doubts about the proper naming of that icon. - oahiyeel talk 16:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I suggest replacing the vSTRrf by vSTRer2 because it represent the same function and fits better into the icon layouts. It's no problem that the symbol set isn't complete - creating the others is a matter of minutes using the mirroring function of inkskape or another vector graphics program. BjørnN (talk) 17:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree - oahiyeel talk 08:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've replaced the four v prefix icons (20px 20px 20px 20px) by new versions, based on STRer: 20px to keep a unified layout of the icons. The curve is a bit slighter than on vSTRer2. BjørnN (talk) 12:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Problem icons
These icons are having problems being rendered correctly in wikipedia: Could someone with the technical know-how fix them? - oahiyeel talk 18:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * well well, the first 4 was made by me, and that's my intended design. They are 4 'u' type tunnels, that is they are for lower-level tunnels. For 'o' type, see BSicon tSTR+4.svgBSicon tSTR3.svgBSicon tSTR+1.svgBSicon tSTR2.svg. Also ÜWK for tunnel under ground level line 20px20px20px20px. The only differences are on their corners. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 02:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * By the way I observed (days ago) that High Speed 1 has been using these. And some demo is in User:Peterwhy/Sandbox4. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 02:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, you made me confused now! :D so what's the difference between BSicon tÜWu+r.svg and 20px in terms of usage? Reason why i thought they were not designed properly was because I couldn't find the 2nd set of icons on AlisonW's Rail Icons page :) - oahiyeel talk 06:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, I now know the differences after seeing your sandbox page :) Then may I follow up with a request for AlisonW to add this 2nd set of icons to her Rail Icons page :) As for the 5th icon, BSicon xvBHFa.svg, there's supposed to be a station circle indicated on the left of the line, but doesn't show up in 20px. (click on the link to see correct full sized image) - oahiyeel talk 06:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Adding now ... --AlisonW (talk) 08:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

new icons request
Requesting the red versions of these icons: - oahiyeel talk 18:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * not really difficult, but before more icons are made, I propose we should increase the smoothness of the existing icons, especially near the boundary. In fact, the existing icons are mostly not the mirror image of another, that's why they are not smooth. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 02:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The 'red' versions already exist (in all three versions) --AlisonW (talk) 08:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, I'm talking about the dark red ones with light red at the corners - oahiyeel talk 09:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, sorry. All done and uploaded; 'x' by itself in front. --AlisonW (talk) 10:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! - oahiyeel talk 10:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to notify, all 52 ground-level icons have been updated. See also User:Peterwhy/BSicon notes. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 17:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

new icons request
Requesting these icons:


 * 1) vINT - which has a black circle around BSicon_vDST.svg instead
 * 2) tvINT - tunnel version of the above
 * 3) tBS2_cbo - tunnel version of BSicon_BS2_cbo.svg
 * 4) tSTRal - tunnel version of BSicon_STRal.svg
 * 5) tSTRar - tunnel version of BSicon_STRar.svg
 * 6) tvSTR - fixing of BSicon_tvSTR.svg to look like other tunnel icons
 * 7) tvWASSER - parallel version of BSicon_tKRZW.svg
 * 8) tvÜWBl - tunnel version of BSicon_vÜWBl.svg
 * 9) tvSTRrf - tunnel version of BSicon vSTRr-SHI1r.svg

I know this request is quite alot, but would appreciate if someone could create these icons as I do not know how to edit these SVGs correctly. Many thanks in advance - oahiyeel talk 09:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * With many of those, I wonder whether it might be better (ie easier for readers of the finished route diagram) if you made the parallel lines two separate columns of icons (using existing ones) instead? All of those would then exist. --AlisonW (talk) 10:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * On the contrary, my reasons for requesting these icons was to improve on a route diagram to make it simpler and smoother, thus easier on the readers of the route diagram. Many of the requests arised from using the intended icon vINT/tvINT to indicate the differences between the cross-platform transfers interchange and the normal interchanges in the route diagram I am editing :) - oahiyeel talk 10:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I've tried my hand at creating the vINT icon by editing the colour of the vDST icon! BSicon_vINT.svg Hope it looks correct! :) - oahiyeel talk 12:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * tvSTR is now fixed. Another possibility is using half-width icons: BSicon_tdSTR.svgBSicon_tdSTR.svgBSicon_dLSTR.svgBSicon_dSTR.svgBSicon_edSTR.svg etc. BjørnN (talk) 14:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

exTUNNELru and xABZe
Could someone please make this icon, so I can replace the TUNNELru icon in the Bolton and Leigh Railway article as the line is closed, not open. Mjroots (talk) 09:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I also need xABZe making, as I've discovered that the line had a triangular junction with the L&MR Mjroots (talk) 10:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * exTUNNELruBSicon extSTReq.svg, xABZe BSicon eABZqlr.svg – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 12:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've corrected the diagram with the new symbols. Mjroots (talk) 14:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe I am wrong, but the tABZlf before the new tunnel portal should be texABZlfBSicon texABZlf.svg. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 14:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Half viaduct
I created File:BSicon HALFVIADUCTl.svg and File:BSicon HALFVIADUCTl1.svg for a half viaduct. This is probably not the ideal name; someone should deal with this. --NE2 18:21, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Some icon issues
I and some other members from WP:NYCPT are updating our line maps at Category:Templates for New York City Subway lines because they are subway lines and not railroad lines. However, some icons are missing, such as minor and major elevated stations with disabled access. I would like to know if these could be added somehow, and if possible, I will see if I can add them using Inkscape. I figured I should come here first before I made any changes. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 16:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Triangular Stations
We need a symbol to represent stations located within Triangular junctions such as Shipley and Earlestown on the maps. Anywikiuser (talk) 15:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Does Shipley station really have platforms on all three sides of the triangle? If not, then it can be easily represented using the existing elements; I'm not sure a single symbol for it would be either helpful or legible, and I seem to recall that this issue has been discussed in the past. AlexTiefling (talk) 15:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, Shipley has 2 platforms on the north side (Leeds-Keighley), two on the east (Bradford-Leeds and Ilkley) and one on the west (Bradford-Keighley). On the right there is a current possibly ways to show Shipley but really it needs a separate symbol. Anywikiuser (talk) 17:23, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Use an overlay to achieve this; ABZld for the three-way base, and an overlay of BHF legende for the station.

--AlisonW (talk) 13:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * BSicon_BHFABZgl+l.svg BHFABZld. I've found this one long ago, it may help. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

New icon set: HUB
The list may not be complete, they should be sufficient for simple transportation hub route diagram. One major drawback is that it requires overlaying. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 14:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/hub


 * Odd variation - User:Sameboat/sandbox -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 14:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow that looks good~! Personally I think the bordered version looks better, but that means more icons have to be made. And what are the icons name meant? One problem is that KBFa and KBFe are sightly displaced, just as the station to the right of Central Station shows... – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 15:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I do not prefer to create more combined icons for the HUB set. If the overlay para is occupied, forgoing the HUB module is the only option. Or else we may seek greater superimposition, 3-layer or more. The HUB set applies a simple numbering rule for naming. For KBFa and KBFe, I really really wanna normalize their position, it's a dumb idea to shift. Maybe a variation should be created. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 16:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I like it, especially in the bordered version (without just looks 'accidental' somehow) though some additional ones are clearly needed. I tried to use it on a diagram which has a problem that this would solve perfectly, except that it already uses overlays so a rethink on the 'how many layers' might be needed. So far as KBFa/e are concerned, the station disc should be consistently located in all cases (ie otherwise CPIC versions would differ) so they need correcting if they have offsets at the moment. --AlisonW (talk) 17:14, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * (conflict, replying Sameboat) Nono I didn't mean to stick layers together. I meant many more icon variations are needed when comparing with plain grey background, and that could be troublesome to editors. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 17:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If I estimate it right, 21 more HUB variations are needed, and that should be no more. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 22:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't know why, the above Central and Hong Kong stations seem broken now – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 06:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Becuase I changed HUB61~64 to 81~84 to give place for another set. The list should be sufficient now, totaling 45 modules. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 06:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The next problem is the use of CPIC BSicon XPLTq.svg between different stations. It seems that after implementing HUB CPIC should be used for cross platform interchanges only. Then the CPIC between Central and Hong Kong could be confusing. Using your example, how to link Tsim Sha Tsui and East Tsim Sha Tsui Stations together? – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 07:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * A simple black line should do it, or a thinner version of CPIC w/o filling the central bar. Or any other ideas? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 08:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

KBFa/e station node issue

 * See also: Discussion in DE.Wikipedia

About KBFa/e icons: There is now some consensus for moving circles to the centre of icon, in German discussion page. Perhaps that means we can edit those icons. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 14:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry I previously misunderstood the comment made by de:user:Gamba that he actually agree with our intention, right? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 09:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Add new icons please
Could someone make and upload onto the table the following icons?

uxpBHF/ uxpHST/ uSTRrf+STRrg/ uKRZBHF/

and add the following from Alison's master list:

CPICrr/ CPICll

i know how to make the icons i've requested, but it is uploading & editing them onto the table that puzzles me. Thanking you in advance. Dkpintar (talk) 14:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have made and uploaded BSicon uxpBHF.svgBSicon uxpHST.svgBSicon uTBHF.svg. For uSTRrf+STRrg, I guess overlaying is already a good solution. – Peter<b style="color:#336666">CX</b>&amp;Talk 07:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * thanks, peter.Dkpintar (talk) 15:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Meaning of Icons
Is there an answer to this: WP articles are meant to be encyclopedic, but they are not when these maps are introduced. Anyone coming across a typical map made from these icons will not know what it is meant. In a very simple case only one guess may be possible, but not even colours and their intensities are explained. It's clear that iconophiles delight in them, though, whether or not fit for use in the WP environment, a regular drawing program such as MS Paint can easily yield any map including features for which icons do not exist.--SilasW (talk) 12:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The maps are encyclopedic, provided they're derived from reliable sources. Each of them has (or is supposed to have) a link to the Railway line legend where the symbols are explained. I admit that if someone who knows nothing about railroads comes across one of the more complex maps, it isn't going to be instantly comprehensible. But Wikipedia has many articles about highly technical subjects that the layman wouldn't grasp without a lot of study. I've never heard it suggested that they didn't belong here. Marc Shepherd (talk) 15:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I submit the icons and resulting maps are at least as encyclopedic as photographs of the railway lines in question. Indeed, these icons reduce the complexity and variation found in diverse native maps into a uniform structure -- the very purpose of an encyclopedia, no? Wlindley (talk) 15:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I admit there's little to some learning time to comprehend how the route diagram functions. As far as I know there's no complain about the mechanics. This project aims to help users to compose diagram without the need of graphic software. Also eases the trouble for other users to edit the existing maps. If you really have the trouble in accessing some of the map, post the work and discuss. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 00:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Dashed icon for rush hour line
I have a request about a Norwegian metro template (two actually) and the icon for a rush hour line. Template:Oslo T-bane next and Template:Infobox T-bane station use color background to display boxes to distinguish the different lines (See Stortinget (station)). One line (Line 1) is extended during rush hour, and I'd like to make a different icon display for the stations that are only served during rush hour than the light blue square which otherwise signifies Line 1. Perhaps a dashed frame or a white horizontal bar would be appropriate. However, I do not have the skills to do this, so I ask here if somebody can give this a try? __meco (talk) 07:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I suggest using the small station node icon HST BSicon HST.svg for the rush hour only stations and the big station node BHF BSicon BHF.svg for regular used stations. A common usage by Japanese Wikipedians. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 08:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I created BSicon xpHST.svg and BSicon pBHF.svg to represent express services that do not stop at the station. Maybe those could work for you?  <B>S<SPAN STYLE="font-size:87%">EO75</SPAN></B> <sup class="noprint Template-Fact"> [  talk  ]  08:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't understand how these icons which are part and parcel of a layout scheme of their own could fit into the two mentioned infoboxes which don't implement that scheme. __meco (talk) 09:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, right. You're looking for different versions of the coloured numbered boxes, and not a new route pictogram which is what this talk page is about?  <B>S<SPAN STYLE="font-size:87%">EO75</SPAN></B> <sup class="noprint Template-Fact"> [  talk  ]  09:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably. I have no knowledge of these route pictograms. I just didn't know anywhere to ask. __meco (talk) 09:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess you're in the wrong place, but don't worry it's a small issue to deal with. I watched your template that you're using PNG files but this can be done by simple syntax: {|border=1
 * width=50px align=center|

The dashes the contents in the middle. You may make separate templates to include these number boxes. If you don't prefer this style, try superimpose to overlay the icon File:BSicon BLq.svg over your current PNG.
 * }

-- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 11:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok. That's an interesting solution. It only covers one of the templates though, as the other one merely employs the use of background color. Du you have a suggestion for making a change which can be somewhat uniformly implemented in both templates? __meco (talk) 12:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Star Bridge Stack
How do I draw a stack of two bridges? E.g., I can't draw this interchange. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Belgorod&ie=UTF8&ll=49.959986,36.198878&spn=0.00918,0.027466&t=h&z=16 Solarapex (talk) 07:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The alignment of the junction is quite complicated. You may consider to simplify in the route map first. And then you may draw a rough sketch in MS Paint (or anything else) and upload here to describe what do you want to present in the route map. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 09:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * If you've been already working in a template or your own sandbox, please let us know and point to the position where you have troubles to deal with. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 09:52, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I see the bit you mean (reminds me of a motorway over- and -under-pass triplex) and I'm not sure but I think the answer is going to be 'describe it in text' as all the rail icons are only two-level and to get to three would take a lot of doing and, more to the point, wouldn't be at all clear to the reader as the cross-over point would probably just disappear into a mess. Might be fun to see who comes up with the best alternative though ;-) --AlisonW (talk) 11:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I feel the same. Unless you make another junction alignment route map, a detailed junction section is impractical for a linear rail map because the scale will look unbalanced. In this case, redraw the whole junction with graphic software is more satisfying than using ROUTE templates and the icons. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

uSTR is removed
Light rail or of metro line it cannot be depicted without this image. You will restore if you please! --77.241.45.18 (talk) 07:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC) --Andrey! 07:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * How could it be? uSTR is working normally BSicon_uSTR.svg. In which diagram does this problem occur? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 08:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ozerki line. It's two days.--Andrey! 08:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Because I'm not the diagram creator, can you address which section occurs the said problem. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 08:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That appears normal to me. Maybe you need to clear your cache by purging the page. Add ?action=purge at the end of url (or click this link: ) and then refresh. If that doesn't cure you may delete your temporary internet files from your own computer. If that doesn't work too, in my unprofessional opinion, that's because of the Russian proxy/server. It happened sometimes to me before but soon the image will come back to your screen, after 1 day or 1 month or even longer, no one can tell. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 09:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Worked, thanks.--Andrey! 09:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)