Wikipedia talk:STiki/Archive 24

Possible issue with STiki
Why am I receiving edits to look at on STiki using the ClueBot queue that range from 5 days to over 3 months old? I haven't had many recent edits at all whilst using STiki so far today. Class455 (talk) 14:20, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Same here, except that I've been receiving old edits since Tuesday. The STiki queue is also churning out old edits, albeit less significant than the CBNG queue.  lavender |(formerly HMSSolent )| lambast  01:44, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I don't have access to STiki from where I am now... but I suspect that the issue is that the CBNG IRC channel is down. That shouldn't affect the STiki queue though.  It may be that the STiki queue hasn't been used much recently and old edits have just accumulated.
 * I think the best course of action is probably for everyone to use the STiki queue (From the "Rev Queue" menu) until the CBNG queue starts working.
 * Pinging in case he has more info.
 * Yaris678 (talk) 12:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Both queues are currently showing very old diffs, but this is a recurring issue, thus nothing new. Widr (talk) 17:33, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The situation appears to be improving slightly; old edits still appear, but I'm receiving edits ranging from 2-6 minutes on the CBNG queue. Not sure about the STiki queue. lavender |(formerly HMSSolent )| lambast  00:16, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

-- Both feeds have been intermittently flickering over the weekend and the early part of this week. I notice(d) the issue and restart the listeners. This seemingly fixes things for several hours before they go down again. End-user performance might have been variable as a result. I am aware of the issue and now have the bandwidth to monitor it more closely. It's very unusual for the CBNG and "metadata" queues to behave like this together; they run on independent threads. The logs aren't telling me much. I'll return here when I am more confident in a complete resolution, but one should be able to resume STiki use at reasonable performance levels. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 19:00, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Still fighting intermittent issues. Maybe the solution is just to improve my reconnection logic in the code? West.andrew.g (talk) 17:44, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Continued difficulties. I am going to more closely debug the failures tonight. Until then, I am just restarting the listeners frequently. West.andrew.g (talk) 19:08, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

✅ -- Opened things up and found the problem. I'd long been using a static nickname in the IRC rooms that communicate recent changes. I didn't register the nickname because that would involve writing more login code (i.e., I'm lazy), because its just a listener that never speaks, and presumably being in the room 24/7 would not allow one to register it out from underneath me (and the fact there isn't much incentive to swipe such a name). During STiki downtime, some miscreant (a bot of some form, I presume), took it upon themselves to register this static name. Then, when I tried to get into the room using the static name, silent failure followed as it requested credentials or a new name. This broke the metadata queuing system out of the gate, and it appears this had some side effects on the CBNG feed listener. Things are looking much better since I've implemented a fix. West.andrew.g (talk) 01:29, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Additional code added this evening to harden up some IRC flickering. Things are solid just as we're about to cross 1M reverts!! West.andrew.g (talk) 00:16, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

STiki is down for network maintenance
I will post here when network service is restored. West.andrew.g (talk) 02:25, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Everything should be back up and working. West.andrew.g (talk) 15:57, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Not with me - Stiki accepts login and then does nothing (doesn't freeze, but doesn't connect to any queue either). Materialscientist (talk) 23:20, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Seconding. It worked for some hours after Andrew made the announcement, but then it just died. Widr (talk) 23:36, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hear hear. Both queues do not load, even after logging in. lavender |(formerly HMSSolent )| lambast  01:44, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

One of the table indices didn't close very nicely with the machine restart. I repaired that index and we seem to be up and running again. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 11:00, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Can confirm-thanks again! lavender |(formerly HMSSolent )| lambast  01:46, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Requests
As I tried to log in on the software, i realized that you must meet some criteria of which i don't. Additionally, you can supposedly make a request here. I seek to use the software with good intentions, and I will take responsibility for any changes i make. I hereby kindly request access to the software. Danisian (talk) 23:28, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. While we appreciate your enthusiasm, when I checked your contributions, you had just one edit that could be described as vandalism reversion. This is far too early to request a tool such as STiki. Now I spot-checked your other contributions, and you seem to have made a good start: so keep it up! If you are interested in counter-vandalism, then I would suggest WP:CVUA as a resource. A few months work there will stand you in good stead. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 04:20, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for 1 MILLION reverts!
Just a little while ago the 1-MILLIONTH revert was performed with the help of WP:STiki. Though I must give a shout out to User:Widr for helping us in achieving this sum (having made the most classifications), the distinction of crossing the threshold went to the equally deserving User:Materialscientist. The edit was made on 2016-OCT-10 at 00:24:10 GMT with this diff.

Thanks to all the tool users and other supporters who have helped us get this far. A major component in my PhD dissertation, I've been honored to carry on its maintenance and growth as a service to the community.

I always imagined 1M reverts to be a nice round number to claim in an academic paper that looks back on what we've learned ( co-authors needed!). There are dozens to hundreds of papers that look algorithmically at detecting vandalism, but few-to-none that scrutinize the behaviors of humans in the anti-vandalism loop (inspection times, session lengths, career lengths, Wikipedia experience, etc.). There are logs detailing most of the actions taken in the STiki interface, and combined with my operational experience, I hope we can learn more about the motivations and tendencies of our anti-vandal work force.

Thanks so much and happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 01:06, 10 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I didn't realize you were working on an academic paper about this. Congratulations, and wishing you many successes. Also, thanks for producing such an effective tool. Steve Quinn (talk) 02:26, 10 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Woohoo! So how long has it been like? Six years?...The main project page STiki still mentions "999,814" though, maybe it will take time to update. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 04:54, 10 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey West.andrew.g! Congrats on the milestone.  I've been meaning to take some measurements of the flow of edits into Wikipedia.  I wanted to specifically focus on some of the temporal dynamics of routing.  I think that STiki will be a key part of that analysis.  We could at least share data if not also write together.  Let me know if you want to get on a call to talk through some of the details. --EpochFail  (talk &bull; contribs) 20:44, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Not sure exactly what you mean by "flow of edits" and routing as it relates to Wikipedia, but I'm willing to share STiki data to the fullest extent. Let's do a quick call so I can hear your idea and learn how I might be able to help out? I'm also interested in doing my share to pick up a co-authorship, if only to keep my name circulating in the academic realms should I ever return. Let's transition to email? West.andrew.g (talk) 04:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I started a research page (m:Research:STiki 1 million reverts review).  I plan to add my notes and progress there.  --EpochFail  (talk &bull; contribs) 14:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Well done everyone. Yaris678 (talk) 12:36, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Permission request
I had to re-register as I am locked out of my old account with over 3,000+ edits and rollback/reviewer permissions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/VG31-irl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=VG31&group=rollbacker&limit=1 Please add me to the approved users for STiki. Thank you. VG31 (talk) 20:15, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * First off, let me make it clear I have no reason to distrust your claim. But before speedily approving your request, I just wanted to ask you, and the community at large, if you are aware of any mechanism to "certify" your locked out status? It would not be hard to create a new account name dubiously similar to that of an existing STiki user with a minor prefix/suffix change, copy their user and talk page exactly, come here seeking permission, then use that permission for something quite nasty. Normally in the case of name changes, or alternative accounts, there is a request history or the alternative accounts can confirm each others existence. If a user is locked out, this is not the case. Assuming there is no way to go about this, I will assume good faith, but just wanted to sanity-check this first. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 21:15, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I recommend putting a hold on this until we have at least a brief track record of effective counter-vandalism. Recent edits suggest the user is not carefully reviewing what they are reverting &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  21:29, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Please see the message I left you on the other talk page. I don't think you are looking at the edits correctly. VG31 (talk) 21:42, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * @West.andrew.g Here is the proof I think you are looking for WP:SPI (see end of page). Thanks, VG31 (talk) 22:03, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * While I believe my observations to be accurate, I think VG31 was not negligent in reviewing their undos, rather was unsure how to fix the vandalism in the absence of rollback. The issue of course is with semi-automated tools one must clearly review what is about to be saved, and that was my concern. Their rollback rights will be restored shortly so no action should be required here. Thanks (and apologies for the noise) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  23:15, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. User:VG31, would you like your contributions re-mapped to the new name? West.andrew.g (talk) 01:03, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Washington Post article discusses STiki
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/presidential-wikipedias/. West.andrew.g (talk) 03:45, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Planned STiki downtime today
STiki will go down some time in the next couple of hours so it can be relocated to a new server room. The IP address, but not DNS address, will change as part of this migration. West.andrew.g (talk) 17:14, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Everything is back up and running smoothly on my side. That said, this did involve changing the IP address associated with the "armstrong" hostname in the DNS. Based on the DNS caching policies of ISPs and others, this change takes a variable amount of time to propagate to different networks. My uptime monitoring service, for example, still believes the machine is down because it apparently hasn't gotten the memo yet. My home network, however, is resolving it fine. West.andrew.g (talk) 03:40, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Down again. Materialscientist (talk) 02:32, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Login was successful; however, neither queue will load. lavender |(formerly HMSSolent )| lambast  02:47, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Is Stiki down today?
All I'm getting is a white screen from all queues when I log in XyzSpaniel  Talk Page  10:31, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Me too! Class455 (talk) 10:52, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Me three! (SMirC-goggle.svg)--Tito Dutta (talk) 11:44, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

✅ - Should be working again. The machine actually seemed to save itself from a network/power failure, but said failure resulted in table index corruption that needed to be manually repaired before things could come back online -- a partial victory. Thanks and happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 12:49, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you West.andrew.g all good this end now XyzSpaniel  Talk Page  13:25, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Works now - thanks again! lavender |(formerly HMSSolent )| lambast  01:24, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Why can't I run it
I tried to download Stiki. When I double click on the file STiki_2016_08_14.jar, it opens a blank internet explorer tab and a message that says What do you want to do with STiki_2016_08_14.jar?. I then click Open but then it just shows me my downloads. How can I run it? Thanks. -- Nik ol ai Ho ☎️ 04:32, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You need to download and install the Java Runtime Environment, available here. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 12:33, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

2 factor authentication
Any idea how can I sign in after enabling 2 factor authentication? a) Will STiki ask to add a code? and b) as STIki asks a user to sign in with password everytime, does it mean, I have to put 1 of those 5 codes everytime I use STiki? --Tito Dutta (talk) 02:38, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * -- No preparations have been made for utilizing 2FA with STiki. I assume the tool will break for those who enable it. I saw a message on my talk page that it was available for administrators, will that capability soon be available for the entire user base? I'll investigate the necessary code additions as I'm able. West.andrew.g (talk) 19:17, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It does break, as does Huggle, etc. I *think* however it would work if you could log in via OAuth? Maybe that's easier to implement, not sure. Thanks for looking into it! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:57, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * There's also Special:BotPasswords (if you didn't know about that already), perhaps that's easier to work with than OAuth. It certainly was for my bot! :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  23:55, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Special Approval
Hello! I've applied for Rollback, to use this and Igloo, but Administrators have been ignoring my request, and not denying or accepting it. So, in lieu of this, I seek permissions to use STiki. The third option to use this, as said in the application, is to receive special permission on STiki's talk page. I've made over 1000 edits, most to user talks for warning and such, and about 350 to articles. I've been working with Snuggle the past few weeks, but it stopped working 2 days ago and I need something to help me. Can someone grant me permission to use STiki?  Adotchar | reply here 10:56, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * -- I see the rollback request was rejected, so granting you permission here would be incongruent with the judgement of another administrator. I too noticed some of the issues raised on your talk page. Yes, you'll probably cross the 1000 edit threshold before too long at your current pace, but I urge you to consider WP:CVUA to refine your technique. West.andrew.g (talk) 05:06, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * GB was the only administrator that had a problem with me. He found a total of 4 controversial actions out of my about 200 recent actions. I defended all of them but welcomed him to remove them as he likes, as he is an administrator. GB was the one who denied my rollback request, as he's been watching me for a while now. My error rate is very low, and because of him I now do it much more slowly, checking everything. Please reconsider, I really need STiki.  Adotchar | reply here  14:08, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Permission?
Hello! I am an avid vandalism fighter on Wikipedia and was wondering if I could have permission to use STiki. Thanks! Creeperparty568 ~ Cool Guy (talk) 18:22, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Just continue editing, and when you reach a few hundred edits, you can get permission at this spot. Also it is advised to join the vandalism-fighting-academy which will teach you all the tricks. See discussions,remarks, and links about this above, and in the archives. Super48paul (talk) 08:12, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * -- As explained above. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 14:36, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

STiki on pt.wiki
Could the program be implemented in portuguese Wikipedia? I have rollback rights in the pt.wiki and I'm interested in using the program (I apologize for my english, I'm using google translate to communicate). Hume42 (talk) 17:54, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, no, only on English. For further info, see entry T#003 in the bug/feature table above. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 11:12, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for the answer. --Hume42 (talk) 14:55, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * An advanced Java and SQL programmer with a server on which to the run the processes would be able to make serious progress towards getting STiki running in another language (and I'd happily answer questions as able), but I don't have the personal bandwidth or hardware capacity to take this on at scale. West.andrew.g (talk) 14:54, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Milestones: Barnstar for editor blocked since October
Today's STiki/milestones shows a blocked editor Special:Contributions/Requiem II whose last Stiki edit was on 25 Oct. How did that happen? Ugog Nizdast (talk) 06:30, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Tracked as T#057. Details are omitted per WP:BEANS, but this is a minor "threat" to STiki infrastructure and not something that could impact encyclopedic content. West.andrew.g (talk) 15:40, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Award templates ping Andrew
Every award template (eg: STiki/welcome template) does a mention to Andrew currently. So I'd imagine he gets spammed with such notifications everytime someone uses them. I was thinking of replacing it with no ping but just in case he might want it, have brought this up here first. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 11:02, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The award notifications don't go to my email, so they aren't too much of an annoyance. That said, yourself and other community members are diligent in handling milestone distribution (thank you!), so its rarely something I give any thought, and I'm often just clearing my notifications out of muscle memory. Since you've suggested the tweak, let's go ahead and do it. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 14:39, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks and ✅. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 11:07, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Slightly off topic but maybe someone can help
Hi I was using Stiki on my old Asus 15" laptop which finally gave up, I got a 12 inch MS surface and STiki text and buttons are so tiny I can barely see without magnifier, anyone know anything that might help. Greatly appreciated  XyzSpaniel  Talk Page  15:28, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Does changing the font size within STiki help? Thanks, (talk) 15:37, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks West.andrew.g That changes the size of the text in "differences" section so that part is ok now, my problem is the sign in, vandalism, good faith etc., buttons, what user making the changes etc very tiny. XyzSpaniel  Talk Page  17:19, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Cluebot triggered by established editors
Sorry, I can't figure out how the table above works (T#999 ??) and hence post a few bugs here
 * High priority - Stiki queue (Cluebot) has long been cluttered by edits from highly active and well established editors, which happened to trigger something. Edits by are a good current example that is virtually killing my queue. WP:HG had a button like "ignore all edits by this user". Stiki should have such. If not feasible, blacklist edits by admins from the queue (though this will not solve the problem with other established editors).
 * I will add on a bug I have been experiencing - AWB "tweak map" is showing up over and over in the cluebot queue. Justin15w (talk) 03:24, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That latter is kind of concerning to me - I've used "tweak map" as an AWB edit summary, but not for a couple of weeks at least. I even checked a diff of one of my recent AWB edits to make sure I hadn't left it in there inadvertently, and I hadn't.  So I don't know how it could be picking that up. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Let's begin by quoting from the first line of the sticky-ed changelog above: The "ignore" button (adjacent to the "user" line of the "metadata panel") enables a session-length ignore of edits made by a particular user (e.g., repeated maintenance tasks that are not vandalism). The ignore list resets when STiki is restarted. The link will change from a blue "ignore" to red "ignored" if the action succeeds Second, any qualms with the edits displayed from the ClueBot queue are a function of CBNG's algorithm. It is our policy to do minimal filtering over what they output on their feed. This might be a better topic to take up over there, as if something is erroneous, it could also be affecting autonomous reversion. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 14:49, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Andrew, this is all true but...
 * If some users keep coming back, session after session, that is still an annoyance.
 * There are probably many users that aren't repeated often enough to prompt a user to hit "ignore" but who, when considered as a whole, probably ammount to many hours of wasted time by STiki users. This is the case because...
 * CBNG has a very low false positive tolerance and so its developers probably don't consider it to be worth their while to correct the algorithm such that what was recorded as a 10% probablity edit is given a more realistic 0.1%. Either way, it doesn't get reverted by the bot.
 * This being the case, it may still be worth making the queue forget accounts that meet some criterion. We already assume users with 1,000 main-space edits are legitimate enough to have access to STiki.  Maybe we should assume they are legitimate enough to not be suspected of vandalism.
 * Yaris678 (talk) 19:28, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Under the "displayed edits" menu there is an option for "edits by privileged users". It is checked by default. If it is unchecked, edits by privileged users will not be displayed. The documentation (or the CHANGELOG, at minimum) should confirm how I defined this, but I think rollbackers/reviewers and above are included in this privileged set. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 15:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * True. But you could add users with 1,000 mainspace edits to that list.  Or maybe all WP:EXTENDEDCONFIRMED users.  Yaris678 (talk) 17:46, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Stalling for deleted article
Added to the tracking table as T#056. Does the type of classification in STiki affect the stall behavior? The edit/article is confirmed not to be deleted just before it is displayed in the browser, so when this happens, it is almost always going to be an administrator using STiki. I think this is what your smiley face implied, but of course, until I implement a fix one could always classify the edit just prior to executing the delete in-browser. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 15:09, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Stiki stalls on a diff from the article that has been deleted at that moment. Random chances of that are low, but what happens in reality is this: it is hard to evaluate edits on a new article, hence an admin (myself) looks it up in a regular browser, deletes the article, and has its Stiki stalled - per experience, knowing this bug does not prevent its recurrence :-). Materialscientist (talk) 02:07, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Forgot all these pings across this thread. West.andrew.g (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I can confirm this stalling/freezing. In fact, I wrote about it here many moons ago when I was not an admin, so this is definitely not a new or admin-only thing. Now we at least have the red CSD tag in STiki window telling us to quickly jump to the next diff. Widr (talk) 15:21, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

AIV reports
When Stiki reports a user to WP:AIV (example ), it should link to user contributions rather talk page (as HG does, and as as Stiki does with IPs). I can explain why "should" if needed. In brief, contribs page shows edits (to examine and revert) and has all wiki-assessment buttons, while talk page does not have those handy links and is basically useless - admins know that if the user is reported then they have passed a final warning. Materialscientist (talk) 07:24, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Materialscientist,
 * You are saying it should link to the contributions of the reported user, right? That is there, in the Vandal template.
 * It doesn't link to the contribs of the the reporting user... but I don't think that would help much.
 * Yaris678 (talk) 08:54, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I mean the edit summary. Many admins have AIV in their watchlists and assess reports when they pop up there - it is much faster than via AIV. Materialscientist (talk) 09:08, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I never thought of that! I may use that next time I am on AIV.
 * So yeah. Good point.  It would help if the edit summary linked to the reported user's contributions.
 * Yaris678 (talk) 10:30, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Done in source. West.andrew.g (talk) 16:17, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Good faith revert
I can't click GFR as Stiki will stop and edits are not saved sometimes. -- Marvellous Spider-Man  08:24, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I get this problem too XyzSpaniel  Talk Page  17:56, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Andrew says this is a known bug on the wiki side with no known fix at the moment. The error you are describing (I assume) is a dialog box popping up about some "check" and when you click OK STiki shuts down?  The other error happened to me last night, as I spent about a half hour using STiki and then noticed none of that work was included in my contribs. Justin15w (talk) 17:59, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2016
Can somebody add the Start date and age template from "{start date|2010|06}" to "{start date and age|2010|06}" to correspond to STiki's launch date?

173.73.227.128 (talk) 03:38, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ Justin15w (talk) 18:02, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Showing the user's notification
A feature request for this. The simplest way I think would be the software makes the query each time (maybe not always?) an edit is performed and if there's notification, returns a popup message saying something like "Hey man, you got a notification/Talk page message".

In a basic user preferences settings, notifications only show when the user refreshes a page, thus general editing. Thus someone using this software is as good as offline; people do need to use their browser while investigating some questionable STiki edits, but not everyone does it since one can focus on obvious vandalism instead. Here a some likely cases where this seems necessary:
 * A new STiki user who's busy using it completely oblivious to all the messages they've received from angry newbies whose NOTVAND edits were reverted and even editors who want to give advice on using it properly. There are requirements for access to it, but this does happen or they might make unintentional edits since they're first time using it.
 * Even experienced editors ought to know if they have messages or whether a vandal has reverted their edits etc while using the software for a long session. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:01, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * New STiki users like me. I need this. Badly.  Adotchar | reply here  22:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Showing the user's notification (revived)
A feature request for this. The simplest way I think would be the software makes the query each time (maybe not always?) an edit is performed and if there's notification, returns a popup message saying something like "Hey man, you got a notification/Talk page message".

In a basic user preferences settings, notifications only show when the user refreshes a page, thus general editing. Thus someone using this software is as good as offline; people do need to use their browser while investigating some questionable STiki edits, but not everyone does it since one can focus on obvious vandalism instead. Here a some likely cases where this seems necessary:
 * A new STiki user who's busy using it completely oblivious to all the messages they've received from angry newbies whose NOTVAND edits were reverted and even editors who want to give advice on using it properly. There are requirements for access to it, but this does happen or they might make unintentional edits since they're first time using it.
 * Even experienced editors ought to know if they have messages or whether a vandal has reverted their edits etc while using the software for a long session. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:01, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * New STiki users like me. I need this. Badly.  Adotchar | reply here  22:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I like this idea. Added to tracking table as T#059. West.andrew.g (talk) 05:15, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Milestones anybody care to do?
STiki/milestones needs more watchers. Not much time goes here, barely a few minutes. I don't like to be only one giving the awards to a same person when they completed numerous milestones. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:15, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Watchlisted. Somewhat ironic as I can rarely get STiki to work for me anymore, but hey. Vanamonde (talk) 14:40, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You've been so steady in doing this work, I often just ignore my watchlist when the byte-change indicates a milestones update in need of work -- because of my confidence you'll be on the case soon thereafter. I see your rationale in mixing up those who distribute the awards, though, and I'll try to take a more active role when I see this in the future. Thanks for your help. West.andrew.g (talk) 05:27, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Request for access
I would like to request permission to use STiki, on the grounds that the bulk of my contributions have been related to combating vandalism, and have resulted in significant numbers of deleted pages and banned users.-- prmcd16 👽 (u)&bull;(t) 03:02, 15 December 2016 (UTC)


 * You'll get automatic access if you're current rollback request gets approved. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 06:50, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * True, thanks! -- prmcd16 👽 (u)&bull;(t) 17:53, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Given your rollback was approved... welcome to STiki and happy reverting! West.andrew.g (talk) 20:54, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * cheers! -- prmcd16 👽 (u)&bull;(t) 20:59, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

CluebotNG is down
I am aware of the fact that ClueBotNG, and therefore the associated feed into STiki, has been down for several hours or more. With the holidays upcoming and possibly limited connectivity, I am reluctant to change the default clue over to "STiki (metadata)". They seem to be working on a resolution over there, which can be monitored at User_talk:ClueBot_Commons. However, in the short term, STiki users may benefit from manually changing their queue selection; hit-rates haven't been too great in the CBNG queue over the past few hours. Happy holidays, West.andrew.g (talk) 16:19, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Request to reassign uses to my current username
It would be great if STiki uses from my previous two usernames, and, could be reassigned to my current username. Thanks! Enterprisey (talk!) 19:28, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Remapped 4328 contributions. Will be reflected at the time of the next report generation. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 05:24, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Enterprisey (talk!) 06:36, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Here's another: from Moe Epsilon. Veteran who's originally 15th per ranking at STiki/leaderboard. Second time coming in the milestones, I must have forgotten to report it initially. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 05:17, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * There has been no change to my username, so I don't know why my statistics would be on the table twice. Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  05:52, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Have you been explicitly typing the underscore when logging into STiki? I don't remember off the top off my head when the username initialization occurs in the workflow. Maybe the WMF changed up their normalization logic. Either way, in the immediate I've moved the 1332 contributions under the "underscore" version of your name to the "space" version for the leaderboard and milestones. Congratulations on crossing over 30,000 in the process. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 08:07, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I haven't had the program in a while since I've switched computers. I took a look and I have been logging in with an underscore. I figured that it would register it all the same (since it technically is the same username). I'll just erase the underscore and make it easy on you. Thanks. Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  08:20, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Special request to revert vandalism with STiki
I ask for the tool because i feel confident that I will be of help fighting vandalism with it. I requested for Rollback but was denied for reasons that I had requested for it not too long ago- and then I was not so active with reverting vandalism. I read through its page and notice that I can be granted the privilege if I make a special request at its talk page. I promise to use it if granted for the best interest of Wikipedia and should I use it wrongly the privilege be withdrawn with immediate effect. Thank you!!Mahveotm (talk) 16:26, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Can someone else comment here? Rollback first requested and rejected JAN-7. Reapplied for and rejected JAN-17 on basis of adjacency to previous rejection. Most work seems to be in welcoming and speedy delete nomination. I don't see a lot of anti-vandalism work, or if its there, user warnings aren't being left appropriately. Nothing really problematic per se, but I'd recommend WP:CVUA. West.andrew.g (talk) 16:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * There isn't much anti-vandal work after the RB requests. There was some reverting edits + warnings but it was not clear-cut vandalism. Doing anti-vandal activity for a brief period was recommended, I second this. Before going into it, read up on WP:VAND, esp WP:NOTVAND--tells everything that you need to do. Of course, then there's the CVUA. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 23:44, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Reference letter for work done on Wikipedia? (moot)
I have already gotten it. Appreciate your attention on the issue.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ueutyi (talk • contribs) 05:53, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Why not direct the ones who want to know about this, to user page; user contributions; edit count - and they will see for themselves? It is just like having written an article, and then just sending people to the source page where they can actually find or download the article. Hope this helps! Super48paul (talk) 09:51, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Admission officers cannot visit links, and my own claim is not credible in their eyes, that's why I need a reference letter. Ueutyi (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Presumably we would need to know you real name to write such a letter. Are you sure you want to reveal that?  I suppose on option would be to email it to those writing the letter.  Yaris678 (talk) 13:01, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * long time, maybe not watching to see your above reply. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 06:28, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Guys, thanks; I have already gotten the reference letter so this is moot. I appreciate your attention on the issue again. Ueutyi (talk) 07:06, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Old diffs
All the diffs I am currently seeing in STiki - in both queues - are well over a week old. Is there an issue? Yaris678 (talk) 22:09, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Fixed. I restarted the database when troubleshooting the username issue above, and forgot to reattach the STiki process. Being on travel didn't help my timeliness. West.andrew.g (talk) 14:49, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yaris678 (talk) 16:59, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Request for access
I would like access to the STiki tool, to be used during down time when not writing articles. Most my contributions are image uploads and article expansions, thus my low edit count. It would take me many months to reach 1000 at this rate, when I could be helping with this part of the project now. I was not originally interested in helping with vandalism, but just by reading Wikipedia I've come across it too many times so I know more help is needed. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 13:13, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * FYI per this edit, pings don't work unless they're signed with four tildes. See WP:Notifications for how they work. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 21:37, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the pointer, so I will take this opportunity to ping properly. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 06:47, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

✅ -- I've approved your account. I'm hoping the accent/circumflex in your name doesn't cause any problems in the client/server exchange. If you can't log on, that is likely something we need to troubleshoot. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 16:18, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I am still receiving the same error that my account lacks sufficient privileges. I gave it a day but no luck. It could be due to the ĥ in my username, yes, so maybe to troubleshoot it you could create another account with that character in it (I think this is allowable under WP:VALIDALT). If that does not help in troubleshooting, I would be happy to send you my password via some secure communication channel, perhaps GnuPG signed email. Sorry for the inconvenience, I was not aware that using Unicode in my username would ever be a problem when I chose it. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 08:55, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I would strongly advise against sending passwords to anyone, even an administrator (For the record, West.andrew.g is an administrator). If the problem does appear to be that character in your username, either that needs to be fixed within STiki, or you could always change your username. If you're particularly prolific with vandal fighting, you could request rollback and see if you can use STiki after that. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 16:42, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Ditto. I am going to take a look at this tonight. To second, K6ka, myself or no one else should ever need your password. Further, it would probably be convenient if STiki had a "remember my password" option. However, out of fear I don't securely implement such functionality, that feature is unlikely to ever be considered. West.andrew.g (talk) 17:33, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I did some debugging last night, but the problem still isn't immediately apparent to me. The client and database both seem to be handling the character okay, but things break down somewhere in the query processing. I'm going to keep working at this, but with some travel imminent, I'd recommend you apply for rollback, and see if that gets us around this issue. STiki has handled non-ASCII user names before, I just wonder if this circumflex business isn't a bit weirder because it evades some of the preferred MySQL charsets (e.g., "latin1"). Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 12:46, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your time and attention. I will apply for rollback, and see if that solves the problem or not. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 12:49, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I think I solved the issue, just about simultaneous with your rollback being approved! I created an account with a circumflex character and was able to grant it special permission, and then use STiki. Good to know how to do this in the future. Assuming you perform a classification, your name will appear on the STiki leaderboard at its next nightly re-generation. If you remember, can you take a glance at that to see if your name appears correctly? It is a far simpler fix if this is broken. Happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 15:43, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey that special account has come up in the milestones, this means treat it as Psiĥedelisto right?. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 06:35, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your attention to this issue. I am indeed now showing up on the leader board: . I'm not sure what milestones are, but I'm not logging in with any account other than this one. (As an aside, it seems like I'm much more likely than other editors to assume every disruptive edit was made in good faith - probably naivete ) Psiĥedelisto (talk) 07:22, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Ugog, yes, issue the welcome "milestone" to the user in the discussion here. I am going to implement changes now so that both the leaderboard and future milestones blue-link his account correctly. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 17:56, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

User:Sha-256 has access
has been displayed as a at WP:STIKI/M, having around 300 mainspace edits, no rollback and per the WP:STIKI/L has been given access several years ago. Couldn't find any documented approved special request. Looks like someone with technical skills like last time /Archive_20? Ugog Nizdast (talk) 05:40, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This user is in the "special approved users" table of the database. That is a privileged table. I don't recall when we installed the "must have rollback or 1000 edits" requirement, but in the earliest days of STiki it was open to everyone (including IP editors, for a while). When we made the change to those entry requirements, I grandfathered in everyone who had previously used the tool, regardless their qualifications. The first STiki usage of may very well be old enough to meet these criteria. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 15:22, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've been using Stiki on and off since May 2012 md_5 (talk) 00:06, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah very good to know, had no idea about its "pre-history". Hope there hasn't been any misunderstanding. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 11:52, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Marking edits but nothing happens
I'm sure I'm becoming a real thorn in your side, but a recent change you made has broken my access to STiki. I marked several edits as vandalism tonight but I realized that nothing was appearing in the "Last revert" section, so I thought to check my Contributions page and nothing is appearing there either. Help? I can provide a screencast if you need it, but I think you already have an account with a Unicode char to test with ... Psiĥedelisto (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm limited on cycles at the moment, but I was able to log in with my "Unicode account" (User:Asĥen, FWIW) and classify several STiki edits this evening. The fact that STiki users/clients sometimes lose session state with WMF servers is a known issue (see archives). Every release adds more and more debugging code as we try to track this. If it ends up being our fault, we'll fix it. If its on the WMF side, we'll find a way to detect it and notify users -- or transparently start a new session in the background. If you find yourself in this weird state again, restart STiki and see if that fixes the problem. We've gone through some weird spikes in the past, but lately recurrence of this bug has been very isolated. I see you were able to use STiki successfully on JAN-27. Nothing has changed since then. Please let me know if this problem is a persistent one. West.andrew.g (talk) 08:08, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, last night must have just been a fluke, since I was able to use STiki just now. I'm sorry to have bothered you. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 08:38, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Request for access
Hello, I would like to have permission to use STiki, because I like fighting vandalism in my free time. I have been using the recent changes page, but this is ineffective. I couldn't find any other actively used anti-vandalism tools that don't require rollback permission (I don't have 200 edits, which is the suggested amount to request rollback privilages). PiGuy3 (talk) 00:50, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure if you know about this, but you can make recent changes a bit more efficient by using popups (You can just hover your cursor over the "diff" link and you can view the diff, instead of having to click on it). You can also filter recent changes to only show IP users or new users, since most vandalism typically comes from these two groups of users. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 01:50, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know this, but it still isn't as efficient as a tool like this. PiGuy3 (talk) 02:04, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- I realize I am probably going a bit off-script with this one, but I have assumed good-faith and approved. My biggest concern is a temporally concentrated work history, but what's been done looks good and is anti-vandalism focused. User seems technically proficient and at his current pace will be receiving rollback very soon, regardless. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 16:09, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

A bug
After a period of inactivity (can't tell how long, an order of a few hours), Stiki rollback fails on the first edit, i.e., Stiki says that the edit has been reverted by someone else, which is not the case. There is no such problem with good faith revert. A relevant problem is that Stiki does not allow to return to a reverted edit, as it does with "pass" or "innocent", i.e., if I haven't remembered the article title then I can't revert a failed edit in a browser window. Materialscientist (talk) 22:46, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm going to track this in the bug table. It's likely due to a rollback token or something similar expiring and not being checked/renewed before pushing things to the API. The fact it works for AGF reverts though makes things a bit more interesting. I can't recall offhand, but the "last revert panel" doesn't link to the article in question when the "beaten to revert" message is shown? Might be a good idea to add that so people can spot check that the change was indeed a revert. West.andrew.g (talk) 03:31, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Login problems
When trying to login, I get ""Error in the user login interface, likely caused by network error". Went fine to login before, I have rollbacker and 15k edits. Dan Koehl (talk) 19:15, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Has the issue resolved itself? Classification numbers look normal in the aggregate; anyone else having problems? West.andrew.g (talk) 20:01, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Still cant. Thanks . Dan Koehl (talk) 21:04, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you using the same network as your were previously to log into STiki? Firewall problems, particularly blocking of mysql port 3306, is often the cause when an isolated user is having this type of difficulty. It is more likely to blocked on university and corporate connections versus residential ones. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 18:34, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I dont think theres any issue with the network, but Ill try with Huggle, and see how that work. Thanks so far! Dan Koehl (talk) 19:01, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Logged in with Huggle without problems. Dan Koehl (talk) 19:23, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Can you post the full text of the error message? Looking at the code, I see the tail end of that message should print some more detailed information about what happened. In the code I also observe this is an error catch "of last resort", in that none of the components have failed in an expected way that would have allowed me to author a more detailed error message. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 15:55, 12 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for not giving up, the error code is: Error in the user login interface, likely caused by network error exception thrown to terminate thread. I will remove the program, and install the latest version now. Dan Koehl (talk) 23:12, 12 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Nope, removed old version, and downloaded the latest, same result as before... :( Dan Koehl (talk) 00:56, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Is Java 8 installed? Per, Wikipedia_talk:STiki/Archive_20 ? West.andrew.g (talk) 03:24, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * , No, I removed old java and installed Java 8, and now I can login and Stiki is working, thank you so much! Have a nice day! Dan Koehl (talk) 06:28, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

My problem with STiki: no edit is made
The last time I used STiki successfully was exactly one year ago. Since then, I've been undergoing an strange problem. The problem is when I click the vandalism or Good faith button, no edit is made in fact, although the existing article diff disappears and the new article diff appears as usual. And the default message 'No prior revert' remains default. That is, my STiki is not reverting any revisions since Feb 2016. Even after installing the current version (2016_08_14), the nagging problem persists. No error message is shown either. But most probably, edits are counted in STiki leaderboard. I did not bother to bring it to notice as I was busy in various article improvements.

My OS is Windows 7, 64 bit, and Java 8.0.450. What can be the probable cause? - Ascetic Rosé   04:30, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Very weird. Are you able to run STiki from the terminal to see if there is any textual error output? West.andrew.g (talk) 07:29, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I fear I do not know what is terminal in this case. Actually, I'm not conversant with the technical sides of STiki; so I fear I may not handle technical questions. Can Java be a issue here? - Ascetic Rosé   14:34, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ Hi, today I logged out from browser and STiki, and deleted the browser's old data, and then logged in again, and I see that STiki is working again! It so happened that I changed my password around one year ago but never logged out from STiki. I was just clicking the 'Close STiki' button every time. This simple technique should have come to my mind earlier. - Ascetic Rosé   04:40, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Request for access
Hey, I'm a new editor and I enjoy removing vandalism. Recently, I found about STiki and Huggle, however, both of them require rollback perms. I want to use this powerful tool to do the job more efficiently, as hitting the F5 button over and over again on the Recent Changes page feels tedious, especially when there isn't as much traffic on Wikipedia. Cheers Weegee (talk)  (contribs) 20:59, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Ask for rollback privileges over at WP:PERM/R it seems you have the requirements to qualify. Let me know if you have any questions! Drewmutt ( ^ᴥ^ ) talk  21:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I asked over there and the admin said that I should get more experience and apply in a few weeks, so I came here to see if I could get access w/o rollback perms. It's at the bottom of WP:Requests for permissions/Rollback. Weegee (talk)  (contribs) 21:12, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- I'm satisfied enough that I've granted permission. Happy reverting, West.andrew.g (talk) 06:22, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

ORES with STiki
Is there some way that ORES can work with STiki? MCMLXXXIX 18:06, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Certainly in theory, unknown in practice. Because ORES is in an independent scoring algorithm(s), it would probably be best integrated as a new queue (like the metadata/CBNG ones). There is an API described at, and the ability to batch up to 50 requests at once. I also notice there is a return code for an overloaded server, when clients are making too many requests. Trying to query for every NS0 en.wp edit might cause unacceptable stress. This would be tied to whether these scores are being calculated on-demand (when someone queries for them), or if every edit score has been stored persistently in a database and is just awaiting lookups. If the latter, we could imagine a broadcast mechanism (e.g., IRC) that just pushes out all the edit scores as they happen, rather than pulling them. This is how STiki consumes the CBNG queue and its a paradigm that works well. West.andrew.g (talk) 05:56, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey 1989 and West.andrew.g. So, ORES is intended to *both* generate scores on the fly and to pre-cache scores from the recent changes feed.  If you wanted to consume ORES scores based on RCStream, that should work great.  We have enough capacity to generate scores for ~150 revisions per second and we de-duplicate requests for scores, so 10 bots/tools requesting scores for the same edits from the RCStream at the same time won't put any (substantial) additional load on the ORES server.  If you are batch requesting *a lot* of scores, I recommend two parallel connections and requesting in 50 revision batches.  If you are listening to RCStream, I recommend just sending one request per revision as fast as they appear in the stream.  Have fun! --EpochFail  (talk &bull; contribs) 17:49, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

I want to start using STiki, but am afraid
Why do so few users have STiki rights? I am afraid that there is something difficult or dangerous about it that could result in me getting indeffed if I use it. Looking through this project page, STiki appears to be superior to Twinkle (I have no exp with Huggle, it won't work on my Mac) in that it has a Pass button.L3X1 My Complaint Desk 22:29, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Try it out, you'll get used to it. It's very simple, I doubt anyone would think otherwise. There's really nothing to be afraid of, you've received rollbacker rights so you're probably good at weeding out vandalism and not misidentifying good faith edits. If you have any questions on how to use it, you can post here but the main page's help should be more than enough. Why on earth would you get indeffed for it? it's not that admins are constantly on the prowl seaching for people to indeff. :) Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:37, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit summaries
STiki often fails to retrieve edit summaries, even for single-edit diffs like this one ("Reverted edits by 217.44.42.158 (talk) (HG)"). Sometimes the edit summary is crucial for evaluating a diff. Materialscientist (talk) 01:23, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This is odd. Can you take a screenshot when it happens and start compiling a list of RIDs when you notice it occurring? Are there any shared properties about these edit summaries? With a list of RIDs I can pipe them through the offline-review tool and see if I am able to duplicate the behavior. The reason I find this so odd is that the revision summary is a core metadata property of an edit. It is obtained in the the same network call as the RID, PID, title, etc. An edit couldn't be enqueued if these things were missing, so absent something bizarre, it has to be my handling of that string inside the interface. Thanks for your diligence, West.andrew.g (talk) 15:45, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Will try. I first thought the problem occurs only with generic summaries, like those of WP:HG, but then noticed that other were missing too. Maybe other STiki users can add their experience. Materialscientist (talk) 23:12, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Username change
Hello! Would someone mind changing my STiki contributions username from Rider ranger47 to my current name? Thanks --TheOtherUnknown Talk 13:00, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- 1386 contributions remapped; will be reflected at next leaderboard generation. West.andrew.g (talk) 18:22, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Request for Permission
I am an editor who reverts vandalism and improves new edits. I would like to get my feet wet in automated tools, since I don't have the qualifications for rollback yet (which pretty much all automated tools require), however I have quite a bit of experience dealing with vandalism. Thanks! Morphdog (t - c) 02:38, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Done. Happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 00:20, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Problem with STiki
I keep getting an error when trying to use revert edits using either vandalism or good faith revert. PiGuy3 (talk) 20:54, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm actually happy to see this warning message, as this is fairly recently added debugging to capture the weird behavior where sessions were being dropped and classifications/reverts were being blackholed with no notification to the user. How frequently are you getting this? Every time? Any other users having similar difficulty? When this has appeared in the past, the issue has typically resolved itself. Trying to understand this has been one of our most persistent bugs, so while I have no solution to offer, anything you/we can can learn about the circumstances of this error being popped is helpful. West.andrew.g (talk) 18:31, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * This error only happens on the first attempt to revert. Once I successfully revert 1 edit I never get this error. The error happens about 2 out of 3 of the times I open STiki.

It's failing to launch again. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:47, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably downtime noted in new thread below. West.andrew.g (talk) 05:05, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

STiki is currently down
STiki is currently offline. This is believed to be the result of network maintenance at UPenn. The machine has been doing a good job recently at self-recovering, so I am hopeful the issue will self-correct when connectivity is restored. In the worst case, I'll have a colleague investigate on Monday morning. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 04:58, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification.L3X1 My Complaint Desk 22:28, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Still toast.L3X1 My Complaint Desk 15:41, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Working now, thanks. L3X1 My Complaint Desk 04:23, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

✅ -- As others have noticed, STiki is back online. The resolution email from UPenn noted that machines would likely need to be restarted in order to regain connectivity, so I don't count this as a failure of our recovery scripts, which have succeeded in bringing us back online after some brief network blips recently. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 15:56, 7 March 2017 (UTC)