Wikipedia talk:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/ZYANYA06

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We're so glad you're here! Rockpock e  t  17:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Zyasel88 18:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)Zyasel88Zyasel88 18:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC) Feliz cumpleaños a mi!!! (8)

Fortitudodei88 18:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)Fortitudodei88Fortitudodei88 18:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Yacopop 17:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)YacopopYacopop 17:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

user page Arlettuce 18:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)arlettuceArlettuce 18:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I just created my userpage

 * ¡Tu pagina de Wikipedia es muy fabuloso! ¿Necestan ayuda? Puedes hábleme Gracias, y buena suerte!  A r k y ¡Hablar!  19:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Mentoring
That's fine with me! I'd be happy to help you in any way. Just tell me what you need! Ne ra n e i  (talk) 02:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Interested? Of course!
Hey guys! Of course I'm able to help :) If you have any questions, just click [ here] to ask them. Cheers, and happy editing!  A r k y ¡Hablar!  20:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello
I would be happy to mentor you. You may contact me on my talk page with any questions, or if you would like me to proofread your work on Wikipedia. Just let me know what you are working on. I spend a few hours per day editing Wikipedia. I usually don't know much about the topics I work on in advance, but I research reliable sources and use the information I learn to write articles. I also add photographs related to many of the articles when I am able to.--Appraiser 01:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Most glad to help out!
I would be very happy to help mentor your group for this project. If you have any specific questions, please drop another note on my talk page. Also, if you just want me to read and critique your work I can do that as well. Please keep me informed of any work you need help with, and I will be glad to help! Some tips for getting started: Good luck, and again, if you have any questions, drop me a note! --Jayron32| talk | contribs 01:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
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Reminder to Mentors and Students
Please remember to do all communication concerning work related to the course on this discussion page. It is the only page I can monitor and give students credit for doing their work. Thank you!!! Thelmadatter 13:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion for discussion
The three contributions that students need to do next partial (~October) is to significantly edit an article, create a stub and translate an article from English Wikipedia for Spanish Wikipedia. Mentors, if you would be so kind as to look over the WikiProject_Mexico, WikiProject_Mexico and Category:Mexico_stubs pages to help students discuss and select projects to do in October. For more information, see the School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/Syllabus page. Thank you! Thelmadatter 13:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Some ideas for articles that might need creating or fixing...
As a starting point, I first looked at the article for Monterrey Institute of Technology and Higher Education and noticed that it could use some clean-up and work itself... Some ideas: Also, as a stub, consider creating an article about your specific campus of the ITESM, again as part of making the main article comply with summary style guidelines. Just some ideas to get started. As always, if you need any help with this, ask here or drop a note on my talk page. --Jayron32| talk | contribs 02:46, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The article is out of compliance with the Manual of Style in many instances:
 * It uses external links in incorrect ways.
 * It seems to be poorly referenced, and could benefit from correctly formated footnotes and more references in general. See verification policy, citation guidelines, footnote guidelines, reliable sources guidelines for more information.
 * The article could stand to be expanded and then split. Wikipedia uses what is called the summary style; where a main topic article contains a general overview, and redirects readers to specific sub-articles on each topic.  For some examples of some feature quality articles on similar schools that use this summary style well, see Cornell University, Texas A&M University and Indian Institutes of Technology.  This last one seems the best to use as a model, since it looks like the Indian Institutes of Technology is organized along a similar model to ITESM.
 * There's some obvious vandalism in the article. See if you can spot it and fix it.

Thank you
Thank you for the information Jayron32. Also if you find another article or page that need to be fixed or cleaned up, please let us know. Yacopop 01:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)YacopopYacopop 01:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, guys. If you're looking for articles to clean up, I'd check out Category:All pages needing cleanup. There's around 26,000 articles in there; plenty for you to work on [[Image:Face-wink.svg|25px]] Cheers,  A r k y ¡Hablar!  21:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the information Arky. Yacopop 00:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)YacopopYacopop 00:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

hi arky
we were exploring your userpage and we liked your backgruond, would you mind helping us with our page so it can look like yours???Arlettuce 19:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)arlettuce
 * Thanks for the message, Arlettuce. What colors would you like on your userpage? ARkY // ¡HaBLaR!  19:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Ideas
Hello mentors, I would like to know some tips or suggestions of how to create a new article, from little details to bigger ones for our topics. Thank you in advance. Fortitudodei88 19:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)Fortitudodei88Fortitudodei88 19:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Check out Help:Creating an article and Manual of style. As for what the page is about, that is completely up to you, although some Wikipedians have requested that certain articles be created. If you make an article, make sure you back it up with reliable sources that are verifiable and that the article's subject is notable enough for Wikipedia. Hasta pronto, amigos! <font color="#B87333">ARkY // <font color="#B87333">¡HaBLaR!  19:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


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Put a note here with the name of your new articles, so that we can look at them. I hope this helps you get started.--Appraiser 19:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for the note Appraiser. Yacopop 14:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)YacopopYacopop 14:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Page created!!
Okay, guys! I've made your userpage! <font color="#B87333">ARkY // <font color="#B87333">¡HaBLaR!  19:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your help Arky!! we were not expecting you to make it but thanks it is brilliant!!you're a great mentor. Thanks again.

Zyasel88 18:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)Zyasel88Zyasel88 18:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Work we are doing on the Toluca project
City Features on the Toluca page

Temple Of La Merced

The Temple of La Merced is one of the most ancient convents still preserved and one of the most important founded by Spaniards. It is a beautiful building of the religious order called mercenaries, and it shows architecture styles from the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries. Its principal front has 3 buildings and was constructed ithe 18th century on the remains of the old temple of San Francisco. The interior of the temple exhibits a neoclassical style with golden decoration. It features big oil paintings from the aforementioned times, like the “Birth of San Pedro Nolasco”, founder of the mercenary order. The temple became a hospice for orphans and beggars. The baroque construction style can be seen in the “pilastras”, “nichos” and the “escudo de la orden”. Inside you can see paintings of Felipe Gutierrez, a Mexican painter who graduated from the San Carlos Academy. It is located in Toluca´s downtown on Jose Ma. Morelos street.

Los Portales

The Los Portales represent the social and commercial life of the city. They are formed by 3 large corridors full of arquits; two sections were built by Jose Maria Gonzalez Arratia, partially finished on February 6th 1832, and completely finished in 1917 by C. Eduardo Gonzales y Pichardo and Gnral Agustin Millan.

The last time the city was redesigned, more arches were built on the posterior side of the plaza. Here the harmony between the modern architectural style of the new portals and the old baroque style of the cathedral and the Santa Veracruz temple is highly visible.

The Cathedral

A recently constructed building, the Cathedral's construction was begun March 12, 1867 in what in ancient times was a Franciscan convent of the 16th Century. The initial project was headed by architect Ramon Rodriguez Arangoity, but due to a series of setbacks and modifications, the construction was abandoned. Years later, the work was restarted by architect Vicente Mendiola, who finished construction in 1978.

The temple has no style homogeneity, as all its elements are different. The facade presents neoclassical elements with a baroque disposition; its first body has a series of double columns with sculptures, and its second a central figure of Jesus Christ's ascent to Heaven. It also has double columns; it ends in a triangular front and a balustrade much like the city of Mexico Cathedral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fortitudodei88 (talk • contribs) 18:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Note: available photos if allowed to upload

Arlettuce 00:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)ArlettuceArlettuce 00:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I have made some basic copyedits and corrections; you need to add the references in using the template cite book, wikilink important people and things, and translate all Spanish terms. Hope this helps! Love, Ne ra n e i   (talk) 18:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the help Neranei. We are just working on the references using the wiki format. Yacopop 00:14, 9 October 2007 (UTC)YacopopYacopop 00:14, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Great job, guys! I've edited the article so that it's grammar is a bit better (you can see my changes here). Also, you should translate some of the Spanish terms used in the article, like pilastras, nichos, and escudo de la orden because most readers will proobably not understand them. Again, great work, and happy editing, ( <font color="#483C32" face="Verdana">ar <font color="#483C32" face="Verdana">ky ) 00:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Rules about pictures
On Wikipedia, there are a couple rules you must follow in order to add pictures to a page, and rules about what you put on the image's page. These instructions below are for pictures that you have taken yourself.
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 * 7) Finally, click "Upload file"
 * I think this answers your question, but if you are uploading an image that you didn't create yourself, just tell me, as the process is completely different for this. Anyway, happy editing, ( <font color="#483C32" face="Verdana">ar <font color="#483C32" face="Verdana">ky ) 22:22, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Signing
Please remember that you sign your posts on talk pages, but never in articles. Thank you and happy editing! --Geniac 16:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Uploading
Hi guys, here are some pages about uploading pictures: WP:IMAGE, Help:Images and uploaded files, and Uploading images. Hope this helps! Love, Ne<font color= "#03C03C">ra<font color= "#32CD32">n e i   (talk) 14:36, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Article
Well, for it to be a good subject, it needs to be notable. Make sure that you can reference the article with good sources. Hope this helps! Love, Ne<font color= "#03C03C">ra<font color= "#32CD32">n e i   (talk) 22:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

La Perra Brava (Furious Female Dog)
La Perra Brava is a cheering group that supports the Club Deportivo Toluca, a team that has managed to obtain its 9th trophy.

Origins
La Perra Brava was formed when the team was champion in 1997. The idea came out from El Perro, the head of a group of taxi drivers who decided to organize a cheering group for their favorite team. They are located in the right part of the stadium. When the Red Devils score a goal, the shout of this cheerleading group sounds like a dog’s bark, following the tradition that La Perra started. All of the members of La Perra Brava take their t-shirts out and start jumping and shouting and barking, and if one of the members do not want to take off his shirt, everyone else has to hit him with their own t-shirt until he takes it off.

Background
In the capital city of the State of Mexico, Toluca, as in much more other places in Mexico, soccer matches are highly regarded. People get dressed with the t-shirts of their favorite teams and some others even wear some masks and get their faces painted. Most of the cheering team wear a devil’s mask or are painted with red paint. They also have scarves and thousands of flags. Some others used to wear t-shirts not of actual players, but the ones of some players that nowadays are considered as legends of the Club Deportivo Toluca. There is a traditional beer called “cahuama” because of the size. Once La Perra Brava enters the stadium, they start making lots of drum’s noise and shouting while waiting for the Red Devils to come out. Also, they start to light some fireworks that burn in red.

Main characteristics
La Perra Brava shouts, barks and keeps cheering every match, it does not matter if they are playing in they own stadium Nemesio Dies or in another anywhere in Mexico. The thousands of people that celebrate each goal that the Red Devils make by shaking flags, burning rockets, getting wet with water, beer “Victoria”, sodas or anything that they can. The typical celebration of La Perra Brava is to taking off their t-shirts; the idea came out from a match against “Los Rayados” of Monterrey, when La Perra said: “I will take off my t-shirt if The Red Devils of Toluca score a goal”. The managers of the Club Deportivo Toluca authorized La Perra to put bows to divide to the public section of the ones that are members of La Perra Brava ; so when one person is within the bow, he must take off the t-shirt, if not, they hit him with a t-shirt until he takes it off. La Perra Brava is located exactly where it was born, in the right side or heads the west of stadium Nemesio Dies, but not everything has been happiness in this cheering group. There have been some problems among the members of this group and some of them have even separated from La Perra Brava and have created their own cheering group. The purpose of these new cheering groups is not for challenging La Perra Brava, they only want to cheer the Red Devils as well. Until now, La Perra Brava is under the command of a young man called Rolando Gonzales, who has only one true passion; that is to defend the ideals of La Perra Brava, even if he has to face the Club Deportivo Toluca's president Rafael Lebrija. The club’s president has given La Perra Brava less support than the one he promised at the beginning.

Hi!! this is our article, the members of this gruop would be greatful if someone could help us and check if we have any mistakes, we have already edit al our references. Thanks a lot. ZYANYA06 02:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've done a quick once-through and edited your proposed article for WP:NPOV and WP:OR. I've also removed the lyrics per WP:LYRICS. --Geniac 14:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Just some general tips on the above:
 * The title should just be La Perra Brava, do not include parentheticals UNLESS it is needed to distinguish this article from another. I see no other article with this name, so there is no need to add a parenthetical.
 * You need references to independent sources; things like newspaper articles and magazine articles, and stuff like that which discusses this group in some details. Without independent sources, there is a good chance that this article will be judged not-notable and be deleted.  For some examples of similar articles which DO cite their sources well, see Hogettes, Rollen Stewart, Buzz (mascot), Traditions and anecdotes associated with the Stanley Cup.  These should give you an idea on how to reference an article like this for notability purposes.
 * You have a good start. Just cite your references.  Even spanish language references would be preferable to NO references.  --Jayron32| talk | contribs  05:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed the text that was added below here because it was an exact copy of the above text but with lyrics added back in. Please see WP:LYRICS. --Geniac 13:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC)