Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/August 27

Neighbours
The Australian soap opera Neighbours celebrates it's 6,000th episode on this date. Is it possible for this to be included? --5 albert square (talk) 22:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, that article was already featured this year on Selected anniversaries/March 18, the 25th anniversary of the first episode. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

2012 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 11:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Deleted: 1883 eruption of Krakatoa (moved to August 26)
 * New articles (unused): Battle of Ambos Nogales
 * Omitted: Treaty of Nerchinsk (ineligible—maintenance); Battle of Grand Port; Kellogg–Briand Pact; Muhammadu Buhari; Kokang incident
 * Included: Black Hawk (Sauk leader)/Black Hawk War (first appearance for both); The Famous Five (Canada) (first appearance); Constitution of Malaysia (3rd appearance, last in 2009); Warrenpoint ambush/Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma (first appearance for both; Mountbatten rescued from Ineligible); Six-party talks (first appearance)
 * The entry on today's main page reads:
 * In two separate attacks, IRA bombs killed 18 British soldiers near Warrenpoint, Northern Ireland, and British admiral Louis Mountbatten and three others in County Sligo, Ireland.
 * WP:IRE-IRL says that Republic of Ireland should be used "where the island of Ireland or Northern Ireland is being discussed in the same context or where confusion may arise". Thus it should be County Sligo, Republic of Ireland. However, it might be best simply to remove both Northern Ireland and Ireland. ~Asarlaí 00:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

2013 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 05:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Black Hawk (Sauk leader)/Black Hawk War; The Famous Five (Canada); Constitution of Malaysia; Warrenpoint ambush; Warrenpoint ambush/Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma; Mars
 * Included: Pennsylvania oil rush (first appearance; rescued from Ineligible); Anglo-Zanzibar War (4th appearance, last in 2010); Greco-Turkish War (1919–22) (first appearance; rescued from Ineligible); Moldova (2nd appearance as blurb, last in 2010)
 * Repeats: Six-party talks (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 10th anniversary)

2014 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 07:13, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * New articles (unused): 2013 Muzaffarnagar riots
 * Omitted: Pennsylvania oil rush; Anglo-Zanzibar War; Greco-Turkish War (1919–22); Moldova (still included as observance); Six-party talks
 * Included: Battle of Long Island (8th appearance, last in 2010); Battle of Grand Port (2nd appearance, last in 2011); The Famous Five (Canada) (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Trần Thiện Khiêm/Dương Văn Minh (Trần: 2nd appearance, last in 2010; Dương: 3rd appearance, last in 2006, previously featured on November 6; 50th anniversary); Mars (7th appearance, last in 2012)

2015 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 07:30, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Battle of Long Island; The Famous Five (Canada); Nguyễn Khánh/Trần Thiện Khiêm/Dương Văn Minh; Mars
 * Included: Black Hawk (Sauk leader)/Black Hawk War (both: 2nd appearance, last in 2012); Kellogg–Briand Pact (9th appearance, last in 2011); Constitution of Malaysia (4th appearance, last in 2012); Ostankino Tower (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Battle of Grand Port (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

Stevie Ray Vaughan
Famous Blues musician Stevie Ray Vaughan died in a tragic plane crash on August 27, 1990. Since the Wikipedia Selected anniversaries section on the main page has observed the anniversaries of the deaths of other prominent musicians like Elvis Presley and Aaliyah, do you think that we could includes the anniversary of Stevie's death too? Thanks. Castigonia (talk) 11:33, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion for next year. This year has an item for 1991 (25th anniversary), so we would not run a 1990 item as well. — howcheng  {chat} 06:59, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

2016 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 07:06, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Battle of Long Island (maintenance); Comair Flight 5191 (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Battle of Grand Port; Black Hawk (Sauk leader); Kellogg–Briand Pact (ineligible—maintenance); Constitution of Malaysia; Ostankino Tower
 * Included: Pennsylvania oil rush (2nd appearance, last in 2013); Anglo-Zanzibar War (5th appearance, last in 2013); Warrenpoint ambush/Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma (both: 2nd appearance, last in 2012); Moldova (3rd appearance as blurb, last in 2013; 25th anniversary); 2009 Kokang incident (2nd appearance, last in 2011)

2017 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 06:27, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Battle of Ambos Nogales (maintenance); Greco-Turkish War (1919–1922) (maintenance); Constitution of Malaysia (maintenance); Nguyễn Khánh/Trần Thiện Khiêm/Dương Văn Minh (Dương: maintenance)
 * New articles (unused): Stevie Ray Vaughan/Death of Stevie Ray Vaughan; James Thomson (poet, born 1700); Rufus Wilmot Griswold; Rebecca Clarke (composer)
 * Omitted: Moldova (ineligible—maintenance); Pennsylvania oil rush; Anglo-Zanzibar War; Warrenpoint ambush; Moldova (ineligible—maintenance); 2009 Kokang incident
 * Included: Battle of Grand Port (4th appearance, last in 2015); 1893 Sea Islands hurricane (first appearance); The Famous Five (Canada) (3rd appearance, last in 2014; 90th anniversary); Sarny Massacre (first appearance; 75th anniversary); 2013 Muzaffarnagar riots (first appearance); Tomás Luis de Victoria (first appearance); Man Ray (first appearance); Brian Epstein (first appearance)

2018 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 17:38, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Omitted: 1893 Sea Islands hurricane (ineligible—maintenance); The Famous Five (Canada); Sarny Massacre; 2013 Muzaffarnagar riots (ineligible—maintenance); Tomás Luis de Victoria; Man Ray; Brian Epstein
 * Included: Battle of Long Island (9th appearance, last in 2014; rescued from Ineligible); Kellogg–Briand Pact (10th appearance, last in 2015; rescued from Ineligible; 90th anniversary); Stevie Ray Vaughan/Death of Stevie Ray Vaughan (both: first appearance); Mars (8th appearance, last in 2014); Josquin des Prez (first appearance); Rebecca Clarke (composer) (first appearance); Shi Jianqiao (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Battle of Grand Port (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

2019 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 16:12, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Pennsylvania oil rush (maintenance); Sarny Massacre (maintenance); Six-party talks (maintenance); Tomás Luis de Victoria (maintenance)
 * New articles (ineligible): William Hayden English (TFA for 2019)
 * New articles (unused): Paul Reubens; Jim Thome
 * Omitted: Battle of Long Island; Battle of Grand Port; Kellogg–Briand Pact; Stevie Ray Vaughan/Death of Stevie Ray Vaughan; Mars; Josquin des Prez; Rebecca Clarke (composer)
 * Included: Black Hawk (Sauk leader)/Black Hawk War (both: 3rd appearance, last in 2015); Anglo-Zanzibar War (6th appearance, last in 2016); The Famous Five (Canada) (4th appearance, last in 2017); Warrenpoint ambush (3rd appearance, last in 2016; 40th anniversary; blurb previously also featured Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma, who is now featured on June 25, his birthday); 2009 Kokang incident (3rd appearance, last in 2016; 10th anniversary); Eric III of Denmark (first appearance); Norman Foster Ramsey Jr. (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Shi Jianqiao (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 40th anniversary)

2020 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 22:30, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Deleted: Tomás Luis de Victoria (death date uncertain)
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): William Hayden English
 * Omitted: Black Hawk (Sauk leader)/Black Hawk War; Anglo-Zanzibar War; The Famous Five (Canada); Warrenpoint ambush; 2009 Kokang incident; Eric III of Denmark; Norman Foster Ramsey Jr.; Shi Jianqiao
 * Included: Battle of Grand Port (6th appearance, last in 2018); Kellogg–Briand Pact (11th appearance, last in 2018); Nguyễn Khánh/Trần Thiện Khiêm/Dương Văn Minh (Nguyễn: 3rd appearance, last in 2012, previously appeared on September 19; Trần 3rd appearance; Dương: 4th, last in 2014; rescued from Ineligible); Stevie Ray Vaughan/Death of Stevie Ray Vaughan (both: 2nd appearance, last in 2018; 30th anniversary); Francisco de Zurbarán (first appearance); Giorgio Mitrovich (first appearance); Jim Thome (first appearance; 50th anniversary)

2021 notes
This is the quincentenary of Josquin des Prez's death, a worthy inclusion. Sparafucil (talk) 22:30, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I substituted for Stevie Ray:


 * 1521 – The composer Josquin des Prez, whose Ave Maria ... Virgo serena opened the first music printed with movable type, died at Condé-sur-l'Escaut.
 * User:Ravenpuff reverted, with the edit summary "Unfortunately the Ave Maria fact doesn't appear in the Josquin des Prez article, so the blurb cannot include it. This is more suitable for the births/deaths list; a mere death (not notable in itself) doesn't normally warrant a blurb.)" It's too late for me to edit myself, and I'm happy to be corrected about eligibility criteria, but 1) isn't the logical place for the fact the Ave Maria ... Virgo serena article, where it figures in the lede? 2) I would think 500th anniversaries would normally trump 11-year ones. Sparafucil (talk) 01:03, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Re no. 1: the reason we couldn't just bold Ave Maria is because neither 27 August nor Josquin's death have anything to do with the motet, and thus doesn't qualify as "the most, or one of the most, important events associated with that article" (criterion 1 at WP:OTDRULES). You're correct about no. 2, and frankly I wouldn't mind if we just removed the phrase whose Ave Maria ... Virgo serena opened the first music printed with movable type from your proposed blurb, or replaced it with another, cited fact from the article. I think this would probably be a case of WP:IAR, though – OTD blurbs are usually more substantive than a simple birth/death. Beethoven's 250th, for example, was only commemorated with a mention in the OTD births/deaths line on the anniversary of his baptism. —  RAVEN PVFF   · talk · 03:14, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * What makes you think I'd be happy about Beethoven either? ;-) Thanks for the fuller explanation, though. Sparafucil (talk) 03:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Natural deaths don't get a full blurb; it usually requires being murdered/assassinated/executed, or dying in an unusual manner (e.g., Isadora Duncan). — howcheng  {chat} 07:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see. Jean-Baptiste Lully would be a tricky case: 8 January when he wounded his toe conducting, or 22 March when he finally succumbed to gangrene? Sparafucil (talk) 19:43, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Moved from WP:ERRORS

 * Much as I like seeing astronomy on the MP, the Mars factoid is very trivial. The 1924 close approach was only 0.03% further away, so stating 2003 was a 60,000-year record is both technically correct and misleading. 2018 was only a few percent more, see image. More importantly, the 2003 close pass had no impact, led to no improved understanding, and generally wasn't very significant to anyone. I suggest retiring the event from the OTD rotation and replacing it with either the Kellogg–Briand Pact or the Stevie Wonder air crash from the eligible list. Modest Genius talk 14:05, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought this may be a better venue for further discussion. --PFHLai (talk) 00:57, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This fact has been featured in OTD since 2004, which long predates even my involvement. I'm not saying that tradition is a reason why we need to keep it, but at the same time that's pretty much why I've kept it. — howcheng  {chat} 06:53, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Well that explains how it made it on - in 2004, the 2003 close approach would have had recent interest. And back then, an article like Mars would be well worth featuring on the MP, as we didn't have anywhere near the same level of high-quality coverage in more specific articles (cf. vs . But I think it's time to retire this item. Modest Genius talk 11:06, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

2021 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 07:07, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: The Famous Five (Canada) (maintenance)
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Sarny massacre
 * New articles (unused): Shi Jianqiao
 * Omitted: Battle of Grand Port; Kellogg–Briand Pact; Stevie Ray Vaughan/Death of Stevie Ray Vaughan; Francisco de Zurbarán; Giorgio Mitrovich; Jim Thome
 * Included: Battle of Long Island (10th appearance, last in 2018); Anglo-Zanzibar War (7th appearance, last in 2019); Mars (9th appearance, last in 2018); Josquin des Prez (2nd appearance, last in 2018; 500th anniversary); Samuel C. Pomeroy (first appearance); Ieva Simonaitytė (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Nguyễn Khánh/Trần Thiện Khiêm/Dương Văn Minh (all: 2nd consecutive appearance; Nguyễn & Trần: 4 total; Dương: 5 total)

2022 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 18:09, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Sarny massacre (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Battle of Long Island; Anglo-Zanzibar War; Samuel C. Pomeroy; Ieva Simonaitytė
 * Included: Battle of Grand Port (7th appearance, last in 2020); Stevie Ray Vaughan/Death of Stevie Ray Vaughan (both: 3rd appearance, last in 2020); 2009 Kokang incident (4th appearance, last in 2019); Rebecca Clarke (composer) (2nd appearance, last in 2018); Norman Foster Ramsey Jr. (2nd appearance, last in 2019)
 * Repeats: Nguyễn Khánh/Trần Thiện Khiêm/Dương Văn Minh (all: 3rd consecutive appearance; Nguyễn/Trần: 5 total; Dương: 6 total); Mars (2nd consecutive appearance, 10 total); Josquin des Prez (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)