Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/November 11

PS3
playstation 3 is released in japan!!! this should be here somewhere?

Leibniz
It is frustrating to have to return to this page repeatedly to fix this same stupid statement. It is frustrating to have one's kindness to others repeatedly answered by saying that when I try to patiently explain to them what (literally) normal (literally) 15-year-olds are (literally) required to understand I am writing in a manner that could only be understood by advanced mathematicians who already know the idea I am trying to express. When I say literally I mean: look at the textbooks that 15-year-olds are told to read. Look at them. LOOK AT THEM. Before lecturing me about this.

I fixed this same incredibly stupid mistake on this page several years ago after I saw it getting ridiculed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics.

Why was my fix reverted? Will it be necessary to return each year to do this again? Michael Hardy (talk) 17:09, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Your fix seems to have survived. However, the Gottfried Leibniz page has "y=x". I'm not going to fix it because it's apparently a hot topic, and there may be ramifications that I don't understand. --Heron (talk) 21:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * In answering Michael Hardy's question about "Why was my fix reverted?", I looked at the page history and it seemed to have been previously removed in 2006 for reasons I do not necessarily agree with now. I added the Leibniz event back a couple of days ago,, but like any other thing I add to the OTD pages, I basically copy and paste the same spelling and notation from the relevant articles (see also WP:ENGVAR). Since Gottfried Leibniz had that "y=x" notation at the time, that was the notation that ended up being copied and pasted. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I made exactly the same mistake as you, Z. I saw the "y = f(x)" on the anniversary page and the "y = x" on the Leibniz page, thought "ah, transcription error" and changed "y = f(x)" to "y = x". Minutes later I saw Michael's (perhaps justified) rant on the subject and reverted my edit before anyone noticed. I think there is an underlying problem here that hasn't been fixed yet. The wording on the anniversary page is confusing, and occasionally leads people to suspect an error where there isn't one. The statement:
 * employed integral calculus for the first time to find the area under a function y = ƒ(x)
 * doesn't sound like good maths. What is the point of the "y = f(x)"? We've already stated that he integrated a function, so the functional notation is redundant. It looks as if it's been put there to make the sentence look more impressive without adding any meaning. Who cares if he integrated y = f(x) or glork = frimp(spog)? A function is a function. Maybe the sentence is trying to say that he was the first to use the notation &int; f(x).dx, or &int; y.dx where y = f(x). If that's the case then why don't we say so? It would stop people from trying to correct it, and would save Michael some frustration. --Heron (talk) 09:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

St. Martin's Day
Since when is this day only relevant to the Netherlands? Seems like half of Europe considers it fairly important.

Peter Isotalo 20:57, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It's now fixed. Thanks, Peter. --PFHLai (talk) 09:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

US Numbered Highway System
The final plan for the United States Numbered Highway System was approved on November 11, 1926, and the system debuted on that date. This year (2011) will make the 85th anniversary, so I'm nominating it for inclusion in the list. (I added it to the list of eligibles on the page.)  Imzadi 1979  →   02:17, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

"You forgot Poland"
I would like to remind that today there is a National Independence Day also in Poland (1918). Please check an article. Can it be added now, when the section is on the Main Page? 83.10.124.41 (talk) 14:01, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I see that this event is "ineligible" because of no resources (click here). So, instead adding a link to the Independence Day article, you can check it here, here or here and just link to the article about Poland (as in the case of Angola). 83.10.124.41 (talk) 14:27, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

2012 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 12:14, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Transubstantiation; Mayflower Compact; Battle of Dürenstein; Armistice with Germany; German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis
 * Included: Cherry Valley massacre (first appearance); Washington (state) (2nd appearance, last in 2009); Shrine of Remembrance (first appearance); Second Battle of El Alamein (3rd appearance, last in 2010; moved from November 3); Ian Smith (5th appearance, last in 2010)

2013 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 06:35, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Deleted: Einstein refrigerator (not notable enough)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Transubstantiation (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Cherry Valley massacre; Washington (state); Shrine of Remembrance; Second Battle of El Alamein; Rhodesia's Unilateral Declaration of Independence (blurb previously featured Ian Smith)
 * Included: Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (5th appearance, last in 2009; rescued from Ineligible); Battle of Crysler's Farm (first appearance; 200th anniversary); Józef Piłsudski (first appearance); German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis (2nd appearance, last in 2011); 1975 Australian constitutional crisis (5th appearance, last in 2010)

2014 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 07:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Remembrance Day (ineligible—maintenance); Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (ineligible—maintenance); Battle of Crysler's Farm; Józef Piłsudski; German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis; 1975 Australian constitutional crisis
 * Included: Battle of Dürenstein (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Virginia Military Institute (first appearance; 175th anniversary); Washington (state) (3rd appearance, last in 2012; 125th anniversary); Shrine of Remembrance (2nd appearance, last in 2012; 80th anniversary); House of Lords Act 1999 (2nd appearance, last in 2010)

2015 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 08:41, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Armistice of 11 November 1918 (WWI-related item is POTD for 2015); Rhodesia's Unilateral Declaration of Independence (TFA for 2015); 1975 Australian constitutional crisis (TFA for November 10, 2015)
 * Omitted: Virginia Military Institute; Washington (state); Shrine of Remembrance; House of Lords Act 1999
 * Included: Mayflower Compact (2nd appearance, last in 2011); United States Numbered Highways (first appearance); German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis (3rd appearance, last in 2013; 75th anniversary); 1960 South Vietnamese coup attempt (4th appearance, last in 2010)
 * Repeats: Battle of Dürenstein (2nd consecutive appearance; 3 total)

2016 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 23:06, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Battle of Crysler's Farm (maintenance); Virginia Military Institute (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Armistice Day (ineligible—maintenance); Remembrance Day (ineligible—maintenance); Mayflower Compact; German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis; 1960 South Vietnamese coup attempt
 * Included: Cherry Valley massacre (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Armistice of 11 November 1918 (5th appearance, last in 2011; rescued from Ineligible); 1975 Australian constitutional crisis (6th appearance, last in 2013; rescued from Ineligible)
 * Repeats: Battle of Dürenstein (3rd consecutive appearance, 4 total); United States Numbered Highway System (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 90th anniversary)

It seems strange to list Veterans Day (U.S.), but not Remembrance Day, which is a very wide-spread observance by comparison. Why was this left out? I have read the Remembrance Day article and it seems quite well-written. Markcymru (talk) 03:02, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The Mauritius section of the Remembrance Day article has no references, and per the rules, we cannot include articles with this type of maintenance tag. — howcheng  {chat} 07:10, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

2017 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 04:17, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Angola (ineligible—maintenance); National Independence Day (Poland) (ineligible—maintenance); Remembrance Day (ineligible—maintenance); Cherry Valley massacre; Battle of Dürenstein; Armistice of 11 November 1918 (ineligible—maintenance); United States Numbered Highway System; 1975 Australian constitutional crisis
 * Included: Fourth Council of the Lateran (first appearance; rescued from Ineligible); Italian War of 1499–1504 (first appearance); Shrine of Remembrance (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Battle of Taranto (first appearance); House of Lords Act 1999 (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Fyodor Dostoyevsky (first appearance); Nat Turner (7th appearance, last in 2006; previously appeared on October 30); Leonardo DiCaprio (first appearance)

Edit request 2018
Change the reference (at least for today, while it's on the main page) to the US-only "Veterans day" to a more global "100th anniversary of the Armistice of 11 November 1918" (and remove the ensuing duplicate, keeping the picture). Only fitting... 107.190.33.254 (talk) 15:56, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ .254, You will need to establish a consensus for this change prior to it being enacted via an edit request. Talk:Main_Page could be a good place to start if you think the event has undue weight. —  xaosflux  Talk 17:29, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * And what of the friendly suggestion on the page that "To suggest a new item, in most cases you can be bold and edit this page." ?? Anyway, posted to the relevant place. 107.190.33.254 (talk) 17:40, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The rest of that statement points out specifically a difference for what this is on the main page, I suggested Talk:MP instead of here since there are only a few hours left where this will be visible and you would get the most attention there. In a day and a half it will be unprotected and you can try some bold edits to prep for next year.  Best wishes, —  xaosflux  Talk 19:51, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, my bad for not reading through to the end. 107.190.33.254 (talk) 20:34, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Normally we would include Remembrance Day, except that article is currently ineligible. — howcheng  {chat} 07:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That doesn't fix the wider issue, that all of these names are specific to only a few regions (WP:Systematic bias), while saying "Anniversary of the Armistice of 11 November 1918" includes everybody (UK, Canada, US, Australia, even non-English-speaking countries,...). The only major lack of that article (in this context) is that there's only a few sentences about the celebrations of the Armistice, (i.e. the Legacy section), but it's arguable how much we should include in there, or if we should expand the other articles instead. 107.190.33.254 (talk) 14:49, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

2018 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 04:09, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * New articles (unused): Constantine VIII; Shrimad Rajchandra (moved from November 9)
 * Omitted: Fourth Council of the Lateran; Italian War of 1499–1504; Battle of Taranto; House of Lords Act 1999; Fyodor Dostoevsky; Nat Turner (ineligible—maintenance); Leonardo DiCaprio
 * Included: National Independence Day (Poland) (rescued from Ineligible); Mayflower Compact (3rd appearance, last in 2015); Armistice of 11 November 1918 (5th appearance, last in 2016; rescued from Ineligible; 100th anniversary); Rhodesia's Unilateral Declaration of Independence (4th appearance, last in 2009); Arsacius of Tarsus (first appearance); David I. Walsh (first appearance); Charles Groves Wright Anderson (first appearance; 30th anniversary)
 * Repeats: Shrine of Remembrance (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total)

2019 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 16:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Omitted: National Independence Day (Poland) (ineligible—maintenance); Mayflower Compact; Battle of Dürenstein; Armistice of 11 November 1918; Shrine of Remembrance; Rhodesia's Unilateral Declaration of Independence; Arsacius of Tarsus; David I. Walsh; Charles Groves Wright Anderson
 * Included: Armistice Day (rescued from Ineligible); Remembrance Day (rescued from Ineligible); Fourth Council of the Lateran (2nd appearance, last in 2017); Cherry Valley massacre (3rd appearance, last in 2016); Józef Piłsudski (2nd appearance, last in 2013); 1960 South Vietnamese coup attempt (5th appearance, last in 2015); House of Lords Act 1999 (2nd appearance, last in 2017; 20th anniversary); Constantine VIII (first appearance); George S. Patton (first appearance); Maria Teresa de Filippis (first appearance)

2020 request
it is the 100th anniversary of the unveiling of The Cenotaph in London. Can we feature this as a one-off please? Mjroots (talk) 21:17, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I combined it with already extant The Unknown Warrior blurb. — howcheng  {chat} 07:52, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, as it's also the 100th anniversary of his funeral. Mjroots (talk) 07:54, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

2020 notes

 * Moved to Ineligible: Italian War of 1499–1504 (maintenance); German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis (maintenance)
 * New articles (ineligible): Battle of Crysler's Farm (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Fourth Council of the Lateran; Józef Piłsudski (ineligible—maintenance); House of Lords Act 1999; Constantine VIII (moved to December 15); George S. Patton; Maria Teresa de Filippis
 * Included: Battle of Dürenstein (6th appearance, last in 2018); The Cenotaph/The Unknown Warrior (both: first appearance; 100th anniversary); 1975 Australian constitutional crisis (7th appearance, last in 2016); Antony the Younger (first appearance); Martha Annie Whiteley (first appearance); Abraham Sarmiento Jr. (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Cherry Valley massacre (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total); 1960 South Vietnamese coup attempt (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total; 60th anniversary)

2021 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 01:26, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * New articles (ineligible): Jeanne Demessieux (maintenance)
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Józef Piłsudski
 * Omitted: Cherry Valley massacre; Battle of Dürenstein; The Cenotaph/The Unknown Warrior; 1960 South Vietnamese coup attempt; Antony the Younger; Martha Annie Whiteley; Abraham Sarmiento Jr.
 * Included: Fourth Council of the Lateran (3rd appearance, last in 2019); Battle of Crysler's Farm (2nd appearance, last in 2013; rescued from Ineligible); Armistice of 11 November 1918 (7th appearance, last in 2018); Rhodesia's Unilateral Declaration of Independence (5th appearance, last in 2018); Fyodor Dostoevsky (2nd appearance, last in 2017; 200th birthday); Édouard Vuillard (first appearance); Francisco Blake Mora (first appearance; 10th anniversary)
 * Repeats: 1975 Australian constitutional crisis (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)