Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/November 9

"Schicksalstag"/Remembrance Sunday
As a German I've never heard the expression "Schicksalstag". Some major events in German history happened on november 9th, but we don't call that "Schicksalstag" and we don't really commemorate these events, except the one of 1938; however, the expression "Schicksalstag" is wrong and irritating.--62.246.64.12 14:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * According to de.wikipedia it's a term mostly used by historians and jounalists, but has become used more often outside those circles since 1989.

Nach Ende des Zweiten Weltkriegs wurde von verschiedenen Historikern und Journalisten für diesen Tag der Ausdruck Schicksalstag geprägt, der aber erst nach den Ereignissen vom Herbst 1989 weitere Verbreitung fand.


 * Simply because you havent heard of something doesn't make it untrue. But having said that, neither the en or de articles have any references. It's possible this term is WP:POV loaded? --Monotonehell 02:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Would anyone object if I replaced it with Remembrance Sunday, which is happening today in the UK & Commonwealth? Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 01:56, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * "Remembrance Sunday" has no official status in the Republic of Ireland, which isn't in the Commonwealth. In the last few years, the President has gone to the ceremony in St Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin. It's a gesture that springs from the Northern Ireland peace process; the cathedral is run by the Church of Ireland, historically the church of the Unionist establishment who supplied a lot of the Irish soldiers in the British Army that were killed in World War I.  jnestorius(talk) 02:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OTD normally does not discriminate between official public holidays sanctioned by a country's government, and those that are unofficial significant observances. Since the event is still observed by a ceremony in Dublin, how do want this resolved? Post "in the United Kingdom and in St Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin"? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that Remembrance Sunday was observed in both countries, as both countries fought on the same side during the Great War - I wasn't aware that republican and unionist problems had extended to services of remembrance. How about if we put 'the United Kingdom and some other countries'? or 'the United Kingdom and part of the Republic of Ireland'? Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 04:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How about just putting "the United Kingdom"? The Remembrance Sunday doesn't have any sources anyway.  I'm sure the The Royal British Legion organises church services in other foreign countries besides Ireland. jnestorius(talk) 04:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Discussion moved to Talk:Remembrance Sunday. jnestorius(talk) 01:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Amman Bombings
They happened today. How can you add them to the "On this day" section? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amman_bombings —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.108.134.36 (talk • contribs).
 * It's already at November 9, from where new items are pulled. If you want to make a special request for next year, the relevant talk page would be your best bet. - BanyanTree 20:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Fall of Berlin Wall
Why didn't you include the fall of the Berlin Wall in today's anniversaries? I think it's a very important historical event. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.176.86.169 (talk) 11:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * First, remember this is today's Selected anniversaries. It is already listed on the November 9 page. Second, the Berlin Wall article was already featured on Selected anniversaries/August 13, the date construction began. Third, the article is currently tagged as "This article needs additional citations for verification". In other words, it is not currently "a relatively complete and well-formatted article", one of the other criterion to be displayed on "On this day". Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a historical event of enormous significance, far more so than any of the other anniversaries listed. It's not so much the end of the Berlin Wall itself, but what it represented. It signaled the end of the Cold War and Iron Curtain. It also marked the end of the 20th century in a historical sense. Someone dropped the ball here, badly. Jsc1973 (talk) 06:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I couldn't agree more - The fall of the Berlin Wall is certainly much too significant to be left out, no matter what improvements could still be done to the article. I strongly believe that this blunder must be fixed asap. Cheers, MikeZ (talk) 12:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Fix-up the article first is what Zzyzx11 said. – Howard  the   Duck  12:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems the article's good-to-go. Anyway, you can edit/add items to SA a few days before it is protected by admins. I do that sometimes but only a few people know about that so... – Howard  the   Duck  12:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Please change an internal link
Please change Inventor's Day to Inventors' Day, thanks. It Is Me Here (talk) 14:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Rjd0060 (talk) 15:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Lovely, cheers. It Is Me Here (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Berlin Wall fall
Is there any way we can place this into the date since Monday is the 20th anniversary of its fall? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * A number of users had specifically requested that the article Inner German border be selected as the main page featured article for 9 November 2009 – precisely because it is the 20th anniversary of when the East German government announced the opening of both it and the Berlin Wall. Because the blurb mentions the 9 November 1989 event, it will appear in that section this year instead of here. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm really convinced that the fall of the Berlin Wall is of solitude importance, and it should be included in OTD, even more as it's the 20th anniversary today. There are just a handful of global events in the same category of really comparable historic importance. Just imagine, on 9/11 we would only show a featured article about the building of the WTC, arguing that this article contains the information that the towers were destroyed in 2001. --- The importance of the fall of the Berlin Wall justifies an exception from the otherwise good guideline of not having similar featured articles with OTD topics. MikeZ (talk) 17:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Since you mentioned 9/11, you can read a complaint now archived on Talk:Main Page/Archive 127 that the main page had "too much emphasis" on that event. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:34, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

editprotected So the fall of the Berlin Wall wasn't mentioned at OTD last year because it was also TFA. That's fine, but this year it isn't TFA, and it still isn't mentioned. Can we fix that? Pais (talk) 16:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Now that it's already November 9th, I'm going to say "No, wait until next year so it can be properly discussed." In any event, I'd need the text to put into the template, which you haven't provided. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 19:04, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that it's already November 10th, the question is moot. The text is already there, it's just formatted to be commented out on every November 9th. Well, no big deal; it's not as if the fall of Communism in Eastern Europe was important to world history or anything. I'm sure no one will care next year either. Pais (talk) 08:13, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems the page is no longer protected, so I went ahead and corrected it myself. Now at least next year on November 9 the Main Page won't be an embarrassment to Wikipedia's credibility like it was this year. Pais (talk) 11:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

2012 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 07:10, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Deleted: Joe Cada (not notable enough)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Rolling Stone (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Tokugawa Yoshinobu; Kristallnacht; Inner German border; Human Rights Act 1998/Capital punishment in the United Kingdom; 2005 Amman bombings
 * Included: Battle of Posada (4th appearance, last in 2010); Mary Jane Kelly (2nd appearance, last in 2010); Battle of Cocos (first appearance); Valérian and Laureline (3rd appearance, last in 2010); Venus Express (first appearance)

1913 Great Lakes storm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes_Storm_of_1913 211.225.33.104 (talk) 03:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Berlin Wall
I would like to see the Berlin Wall fall in OTD this Nov. 9. Suggest blurb be rewritten to include Günter Schabowski's famed impromptu reply to the press-conference question "when?" — "immediately, without delay" ("sofort, unverzüglich") — which sent droves of incredulous East Berliners streaming to the Wall.

Everyone knows the Fall of the Wall presaged the collapse of Communism, the Soviet Union, etc., and it's not necessary to repeat these truisms. Sca (talk) 17:26, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

2013 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 07:04, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Kristallnacht (A Child of Our Time is TFA for 2013); Cambodia (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Battle of Posada; Battle of Cocos; Valérian and Laureline; Venus Express
 * Included: 18 Brumaire (4th appearance, last in 2006; rescued from Ineligible); Great Lakes Storm of 1913 (first appearance; 100th anniversary); Inner German border (3rd appearance, last in 2011); Human Rights Act 1998 (2nd appearance, last in 2011; 15th anniversary)
 * Repeats: Mary Jane Kelly (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total; 125th anniversary)

Human Rights Act blurb
Howcheng, I'm not sure about the procedure for this (I did have a look, but couldn't quite work it out), so I thought I'd post here and ping you. I want to suggest a change for the blurb about the enactment of the Human Rights Act. Currently it refers to the abolition of capital punishment, but the Human Rights Act is much more notable and well-known for incorporating the European Convention on Human Rights into United Kingdom law - this was the main purpose of the Act. Capital punishment was basically a dead letter (no pun intended!) in Britain by then - it hadn't been used since it was abolished for murder, more than three decades before. If you look at the lead of the Human Rights Act article, it contains no mention of the abolition of the death penalty, and in the body there is just a small two-paragraph section. I would propose that the blurb be changed to this: "With the passing of the Human Rights Act, the European Convention on Human Rights was incorporated into United Kingdom law." Thanks, Neljack (talk) 04:08, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks! — howcheng  {chat} 05:31, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

2014 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 08:13, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Mary Jane Kelly; Coup of 18 Brumaire; Great Lakes Storm of 1913; Human Rights Act 1998
 * Included: Action of 9 November 1822 (first appearance); Battle of Cocos (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Kristallnacht (6th appearance, last in 2011); Garry Kasparov (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Inner German border (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total; 25th anniversary)

2015 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 08:13, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Deleted: Battle of Posada (appears on November 12)
 * Omitted: Action of 9 November 1822; Battle of Cocos; Kristallnacht; Günter Schabowski/Inner German border
 * Included: Cambodia (rescued from Ineligible); Coup of 18 Brumaire (5th appearance, last in 2013); Tokugawa Yoshinobu (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Mary Jane Kelly (4th appearance, last in 2013); Rolling Stone (2nd appearance, last in 2009)
 * Repeats: Garry Kasparov (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 30th anniversary)

2016 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 18:55, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Tokugawa Yoshinobu; Mary Jane Kelly; Rolling Stone; Garry Kasparov
 * Included: Action of 9 November 1822 (2nd appearance, last in 2014); Kristallnacht (7th appearance, last in 2014); Human Rights Act 1998 (3rd appearance, last in 2013); Venus Express (2nd appearance, last in 2012; rescued from Ineligible)
 * Repeats: Coup of 18 Brumaire (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

2017 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 04:31, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Tokugawa Yoshinobu (maintenance); Mary Jane Kelly (maintenance); Rolling Stone (maintenance); Garry Kasparov (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Cambodia (ineligible—maintenance); Coup of 18 Brumaire (ineligible—maintenance); Human Rights Act 1998 (ineligible—maintenance); Venus Express (ineligible—maintenance)
 * Included: Battle of Cocos (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Günter Schabowski/Inner German border (Schabowski: first appearance; Border: 5th appearance, last in 2014); 2016 Croydon tram derailment (first appearance); Shrimad Rajchandra (first appearance); Neville Chamberlain (first appearance); Dylan Thomas (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Action of 9 November 1822 (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total); Kristallnacht (2nd consecutive appearance, 8 total)

2018 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 17:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Inventors' Day (maintenance); Action of 9 November 1822; Battle of Cocos; Günter Schabowski/Inner German border; Shrimad Rajchandra
 * Included: Great Boston Fire of 1872 (4th appearance, last in 2007; rescued from Ineligible); Flag of Azerbaijan (first appearance; 100th anniversary); Valérian and Laureline (4th appearance, last in 2012); Johannes Narssius (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Kristallnacht (3rd consecutive appearance, 9 total; 80th anniversary); 2016 Croydon tram derailment (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Neville Chamberlain (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Dylan Thomas (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

Fall of the Berlin Wall
New article, maybe would be the better link for this entry? It's the 30th anniversary, so it'll probably be getting a ton of attention in the news, and the new article could use some eyes. It's also due to be at DYK that day, FWIW. --valereee (talk) 18:12, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, we don't duplicate content between the Main Page sections. Since it's going on DYK, it will just have to wait until next year to be on OTD. Thanks, though. — howcheng  {chat} 18:31, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , no worries! I'm actually happier if it waits until next year, as I'd been concerned about it being in both places and as a result getting a gazillion views when it was still pretty new. --valereee (talk) 12:55, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

2019 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 17:07, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Günter Schabowski/Fall of the Berlin Wall (appearing on DYK on 2019-11-09)
 * Omitted: Great Boston Fire of 1872; Flag of Azerbaijan; Kristallnacht; 2016 Croydon tram derailment; Johannes Narssius; Neville Chamberlain; Dylan Thomas
 * Included: Treaty of Seville (1729) (first appearance); Action of 9 November 1822 (4th appearance, last in 2017); Mary Jane Kelly (5th appearance, last in 2015; rescued from Ineligible); Great Lakes Storm of 1913 (2nd appearance, last in 2013); A. P. Hill (first appearance); Enrico De Nicola (first appearance); Markus Wolf (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Valérian and Laureline (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

Uttarakhand Day
Each year on November 9, the state of Uttarakhand in India celebrates the Uttarakhand Day as the state foundation day. Uttarakhand was formed by the Uttar Pradesh Reorganisation Act, 2000, bifurcating the erstwhile state of Uttar Pradesh. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 05:58, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

2020 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 04:52, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Stari Most
 * Omitted: Muhammad Iqbal (ineligible—maintenance); Action of 9 November 1822; Mary Jane Kelly; Great Lakes Storm of 1913; Valérian and Laureline; A. P. Hill; Enrico De Nicola (ineligible—maintenance); Markus Wolf
 * Included: Battle of Cocos (4th appearance, last in 2017); Günter Schabowski/Fall of the Berlin Wall (Schabowski: 4th appearance, last in 2017; Fall: first appearance); 2016 Croydon tram derailment (3rd appearance, last in 2018); Domenico Lorenzo Ponziani (first appearance); Martha Settle Putney (first appearance); Neville Chamberlain (9th appearance, last in 2018; 80th anniversary)
 * Repeats: Treaty of Seville (1729) (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

2021 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 17:02, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * New articles (unused): Venlo incident
 * Omitted: Battle of Cocos; Günter Schabowski/Fall of the Berlin Wall; 2016 Croydon tram derailment; Domenico Lorenzo Ponziani; Martha Settle Putney; Neville Chamberlain
 * Included: Mary Jane Kelly (6th appearance, last in 2019); Flag of Azerbaijan (2nd appearance, last in 2018); Rolling Stone (3rd appearance, last in 2018; rescued from Ineligible); Kartarpur Corridor (first appearance); Johannes Narssius (2nd appearance, last in 2018); Nadezhda Alliluyeva (first appearance); Miriam Makeba (2nd appearance, last in 2017; also appears on March 4, her birthday)
 * Repeats: Treaty of Seville (3rd consecutive appearance, 3 total)