Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/September 11

Anna Lindh died a year ago (September 11, 2003). Should we put this in? [[User:Sverdrup|❝Sverdrup❞ ]] 16:50, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * No - that is a death. But the day she was wounded is already a selected anniversary. --mav 05:02, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * I noticed her on the main page the 10th, so I'm content. [[User:Sverdrup|❝Sverdrup❞ ]] 09:36, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

There are 6 events listed, when, along with a holiday, the guidelines suggest that there should only be 5. Shall we collaborate on which event to remove? Phoenix2 02:48, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Let's remove 1987, Tosh. -- PFHLai 05:16, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
 * Yes, relative to the events listed that is probably the most insignificant (even me being from the Caribbean and a reggae fan. Phoenix2 21:52, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Why is the anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks not featured this year? Perhaps it's my bias as an American but this seems like a pretty significant event associated with this day... 99.129.135.10 (talk) 07:04, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Strong Picture
I feel that the twin tower burning picture is associated by most people for this day so we should consider replacing the current Pinochet picture with the twin tower one. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. The Pinochet pic had to be removed due to uncertain copyright status, anyway. -- PFHLai 16:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I suspect that Ambuj.Saxena is right that the "twin tower burning picture is associated by most people for this day." To me that is a reason to prefer a picture about the coup in Chile - which led to the disappearance & presumably death of arguably a comparable number of people. Particularly when it's the 40th anniversary of the Chile tragedy & the 12th anniversary of the USA tragedy.

Today is the anniversary of Allende's death & the bombing of Moneda Palace so images of them would be more appropriate today anyway. Pinochet's official leadership was yet to come. Surely many supporters of Allende's goverment, being anarchists or socialists, would licence photographs they took to a commons.

Today is a day when an unusual number of people, especially USA residents will be consulting eg. Wikipedia about anniversaries. Most will never in their life search through the Talk or Help sections or know much of Wikipedia policies. Not featuring Sept 11, 1973 TODAY, or even listing the coup on the main page's selection of "On This Day ..." has two detrimental effects on those who look at the main page:- To those who know about the coup, Wikipedia will appear to be Anglophone or USA centric. Those who don't know, won't learn of it if they don't go to the expanded "On This Day ..." page. Both these outcomes are bad for Wikipedia & it's readers.

The relevant articles are always likely to be fairly poorly written, (most Wikipedia articles I read aren't VASTLY better than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d'%C3%A9tat IMNSHO), because the edit wars about those two Chilean governments & the transition will likely continue as long as Wikipedia enables it.

Anyway, I'm a beginner at editing so I thought it better to just post on the talk page. I hope my totally opinionated contribution will be considered.

RealityAgnostic — Preceding unsigned comment added by RealityAgnostic (talk • contribs) 03:45, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

MISLEADING
The bit about the Chilean coup implies that 3,000 people died during the coup whereas this is just a compilation of all of the Pinochet-era deaths from 1973 to 1989. In addition, Pinochet didn't seize full control until September 13, so any mention of those deaths belong on that date. CJK 00:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree. That sentence has been removed. Thanks for pointing this out. -- PFHLai 13:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Important 100th Anniversary of a World Event missing.
Today (September 11, 2006) is the 100th anniversary of the launch of the Satyagraha movement in South Africa, the first ever Nonviolent resistance movement that Mahatma Gandhi launched. There are plans to celebrate it in different ways the world over. Ought to figure here. deeptrivia (talk) 04:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi started his Satyagraha movement on 11th September 1906. This was an extremely important event which eventually lead the independence of an entire country (India). I think this must be mentioed on the main page. Thanks. --APandey 10:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Satyagraha could use a cleanup though. Melchoir 16:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * So shouldn't it be included? Time's running out. A centenary comes only once in a hundred years. deeptrivia (talk) 23:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Patriot Day
Today (September 11) is "Patriot Day" in the United States of America. (See http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060907-7.html). I am surprised that it is not listed as such, even when the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks is listed.LemonJuice 23:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not widely known as such. Melchoir 00:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I left this out deliberately when I do the annual update. The '9-11 attacks' is already a listed anniversary, so let's avoid over-featuring the same stuff. Variety is preferred. And, there is a 'soft cap' on the number of holidays listed on MainPage at 3 per day to avoid overcrowdedness. ('Soft' because sometimes TFA is long, ITN is short and I need stuffs to fill up the void on MainPage, sometimes I can't count, sometimes I can't decide what to leave out..... Strictly by the guidelines, 3 is max.) -- PFHLai 14:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Too many US-related dates
Guys, three of the five are US-related. No-one's going to quibble with 9/11, but I think we need to lose either the Mormons or the Hawaii hurricane. There's a big world out there with lots of dates to choose from. Let's get a better-balanced picture. 86.157.51.72 22:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and changed the hurricane entry to the formation of the World Wildlife Fund in 1961. 86.157.51.72 22:54, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I chose the World Wildlife Fund to replace the hurricane as every other entry is to do with war and/or fighting and death and destruction; you have taken it out and added - wait for it - yet another battle! Please let's have some balance!  What's wrong with the WWF entry? 86.153.216.17 06:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's another- 1957, the British Computer Society founded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.55.222 (talk) 00:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Different picture needed
(Copied from the main Sept 11 talk page as it is probably more relevant here)

The 2008 September 11 POTD/featured picture is going to be 9/11 related so the On This Day picture shouldn't be about the same topic, dreadful as it was. How about the World Wildlife Fund logo, as that is something hopeful rather than doom and gloom related, like coups and wars etc? Also, I seem to remember this OTD photo was used for OTD last year. 9/11 shouldn't have the monopoly, every year. Other momentous events have happened that should be highlighted. This one is still so close to us but we need perspective too. 86.147.162.92 (talk) 12:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In all indications currently on Today's featured article/requests, United Airlines Flight 93 will also be that day's featured article. In either case, the September 11 attacks event will be hidden on the OTD page when it is updated a few days before it goes onto the main page. See also the last paragraph of Selected anniversaries. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 14:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

That was the worst civilian terrorist ordeal in world history! Believe it or not, a kid who's 9 or 10 now may not even remember 9/11. Sad as it is, it still would be the ultimate rudeness to forget it for some stupid drawing of a panda! Even if United 93 is the article, I think that one of the most important things on September 11 happened in 2001. Hell, in most of the English speaking world just saying "September Eleventh" is in reference to the attacks. We had Pearl Harbor on December 7, we had the mushroom cloud on August 7, so why should we not have a picture of the WTC towers as a plane hit one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.45.211 (talk) 00:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion
We should replace the WWF founding with 9/11 -- I don't think we need a 9/11 picture since there's already two on the Main Page. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:19, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As I basically stated above, the last paragraph of Selected anniversaries states an event should be hidden if it also is the featured article or the featured picture for that particular day. There has already been a complaint on Talk:Main Page that both today's featured article and the featured picture for today are both related to 9/11. We should not add to this problem. Do we really need to have it repeated three times on the main page? Other events happened on this day in world history, you know. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

September 11 attacks articles
See Template:Sept11 for possible alternative links to bold and feature.

Possible alternate versions:


 * Regular version
 * 2001 – September 11 attacks: Three passenger airliners were hijacked to destroy the World Trade Center in New York City and part of The Pentagon near Washington, D.C.; a fourth aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania after its passengers mounted an assault against their hijackers.


 * Alternative bolding (modified version of the one used in 2007 when the September 11, 2001 attacks article had cleanup issues)
 * 2001 – September 11 attacks: Terrorists hijacked four passenger airliners, intentionally crashing two of them into the World Trade Center in New York City and one plane into the Pentagon near Washington, D.C.; the fourth aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania after its passengers mounted an assault against their hijackers.


 * Only Collapse of the World Trade Center bolded
 * 2001 – September 11 attacks: While terrorists intentionally crashed a hijacked passenger airliner into the Pentagon and another one crashed in Pennsylvania after its passengers mounted an assault against their hijackers, the first two hijacked planes intentionally hit the World Trade Center in New York City and caused its two towers to collapse in less than an hour.


 * Only American Airlines Flight 77 bolded
 * 2001 – September 11 attacks: While terrorists intentionally crashed two hijacked passenger airliners into the World Trade Center in New York City and another aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania after its passengers mounted an assault against their hijackers, one hijacked plane hit the Pentagon near Washington, D.C.


 * Only United Airlines Flight 93 bolded
 * 2001 – September 11 attacks: While terrorists intentionally crashed two hijacked passenger airliners into the World Trade Center in New York City and one plane into the Pentagon near Washington, D.C., the fourth aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania after its passengers mounted an assault against their hijackers.


 * Only Collapse of the World Trade Center and American Airlines Flight 77 bolded
 * 2001 – September 11 attacks: While one hijacked passenger airliner crashed in Pennsylvania after its passengers mounted an assault against their captors, terrorists were able to intentionally crash two of them into the World Trade Center in New York City and one plane into the Pentagon near Washington, D.C.


 * Only Collapse of the World Trade Center and United Airlines Flight 93 bolded
 * 2001 – September 11 attacks: While terrorists intentionally crashed a hijacked passenger airliner into the Pentagon near Washington, D.C., another two crashed into the World Trade Center in New York City and the fourth aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania after its passengers mounted an assault against their hijackers.


 * Only American Airlines Flight 77 and United Airlines Flight 93 bolded
 * 2001 – September 11 attacks: While terrorists intentionally crashed two hijacked passenger airliners into the World Trade Center in New York City, another one intentionally crashed into the Pentagon near Washington, D.C. and the fourth aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania after its passengers mounted an assault against their hijackers.


 * Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

2012 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 06:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * New articles (unused): Benedict Arnold's expedition to Quebec; Staten Island Peace Conference; Battle of Plattsburgh
 * Omitted: Battle of Malplaquet; Mountain Meadows massacre; Battle of Bita Paka; Batu Lintang camp; Hurricane Iniki
 * Included: Eucharistic adoration (first appearance); Siege of Drogheda (first appearance; rescued from Ineligible); Battle of Saint Cast (first appearance); Oh! Susanna (first appearance); September 11 attacks (5th appearance, last in 2009)

2013 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 06:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * New articles (ineligible): Anna Lindh (maintenance; moved from September 10); 2012 Benghazi attack
 * New articles (unused): Battle of Saint Cast; Parliament of the World's Religions/Swami Vivekananda; 2012 Pakistan garment factory fires; Sugarloaf Massacre
 * Omitted: Eucharistic adoration; Siege of Drogheda; Battle of Saint Cast; Oh! Susanna (ineligible—maintenance)
 * Included: Benedict Arnold's expedition to Quebec (first appearance); Kingdom of Kaffa (first appearance); Batu Lintang camp (3rd appearance, last in 2011); 1973 Chilean coup d'état (4th appearance, last in 2008; rescued from Ineligible)
 * Repeats: September 11 attacks (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

1973 Chilean coup d'état
I noticed this event has been marked as ineligible due to a refimprove tag. I've added citations; other editors had already removed unsupported material since the problems were noted. I've removed the tag; please reconsider this event for inclusion. &mdash; rybec   18:15, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. — howcheng  {chat} 16:14, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

2014 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 03:06, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Oh! Susanna
 * Omitted: Benedict Arnold's expedition to Quebec; Kingdom of Kaffa; Batu Lintang camp; 1973 Chilean coup d'état; September 11 attacks
 * Included: Siege of Drogheda (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Battle of Plattsburgh (first appearance); Vivekananda (first appearance); Battle of Bita Paka (2nd appearance, last in 2011; 100th anniversary); 2012 Pakistan garment factory fires (first appearance)
 * Is there a particular reason why the September 11 attacks haven't been included, in "Recent Anniversaries" or anywhere else on the homepage? 13 years after it happened I think it is still the event most associated with "September 11th". The absence of the 1973 Chilean Coup D'etat is also striking. While I understand why it is important to showcase a different mix of events each years, I still think it's extremely odd to omit two of the most important events of the past half-century.theBOBbobato (talk) 16:25, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Both articles are simply out of rotation this year. The 9/11 attacks were on two years in a row (and are always tangentially featured due to the inclusion of Patriot Day). — howcheng  {chat} 20:08, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

2015 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 09:50, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: September 11 attacks (American Airlines Flight 77 is TFA for 2015)
 * Omitted: Siege of Drogheda; Battle of Plattsburgh; Swami Vivekananda; Battle of Bita Paka; 2012 Pakistan garment factory fires
 * Included: Benedict Arnold's expedition to Quebec (2nd appearance, last in 2013); Kingdom of Kaffa (2nd appearance, last in 2013); Batu Lintang camp (4th appearance, last in 2013; 70th anniversary); Battle of Burki (first appearance; 50th anniversary); Hurricane Iniki (4th appearance, last in 2011)

2016 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 06:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Mountain Meadows massacre
 * Omitted: Benedict Arnold's expedition to Quebec; Kingdom of Kaffa; Battle of Burki; Hurricane Iniki
 * Included: Eucharistic adoration (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Alexander Hamilton (4th appearance, last in 2010); Swami Vivekananda (2nd appearance, last in 2014); 1973 Chilean coup d'état (5th appearance, last in 2013)
 * Repeats: Batu Lintang camp (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

2017 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 15:42, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Battle of Malplaquet (maintenance); Benedict Arnold's expedition to Quebec (TFA for 2017); Battle of Plattsburgh (maintenance); 2012 Pakistan garment factory fires (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Alexander Hamilton; Swami Vivekananda; Batu Lintang camp; 1973 Chilean coup d'état
 * Included: Siege of Drogheda (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Gabriel Fauré (first appearance); Hurricane Iniki (5th appearance, last in 2015; 25th anniversary); September 11 attacks (7th appearance, last in 2013); Joseph Nicollet (first appearance); Daniel Wildenstein (first appearance); Jan Smuts (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Eucharistic adoration (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

2018 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 15:39, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Batu Lintang camp (maintenance); 1973 Chilean coup d'état (maintenance)
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Benedict Arnold's expedition to Quebec
 * Omitted: Patriot Day (ineligible—maintenance); Eucharistic adoration; Siege of Drogheda; Gabriel Fauré; Hurricane Iniki; Daniel Wildenstein; Jan Smuts
 * Included: National Day of Catalonia (rescued from Ineligible); Battle of Saint Cast (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Swami Vivekananda (3rd appearance, last in 2016; 125th anniversary); Battle of Bita Paka (3rd appearance, last in 2014); 1978 smallpox outbreak in the United Kingdom (first appearance; 40th anniversary); Daniyal Mirza (first appearance); Susi Kentikian (first appearance)
 * Repeats: September 11 attacks (2nd consecutive appearance, 8 total); Joseph Nicollet (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 175th anniversary)

2019 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 15:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * New articles (unused): Johann Bernhard Basedow
 * Omitted: Battle of Saint Cast; Swami Vivekananda; Battle of Bita Paka; 1978 smallpox outbreak in the United Kingdom; September 11 attacks; Daniyal Mirza; Joseph Nicollet; Susi Kentikian
 * Included: Sugarloaf massacre (first appearance); Kingdom of Kaffa (3rd appearance, last in 2015); Gabriel Fauré (2nd appearance, last in 2017); Battle of Burki (2nd appearance, last in 2015); 2012 Benghazi attack (first appearance; rescued from Ineligible); Stephen Hagiochristophorites (first appearance); Mary Watson Whitney (first appearance); Murali Kartik (first appearance)

2020: 75th anniversary of the liberation of Batu Lintang camp

 * I know it's a bit late in the day to ask for an addition to the list of 'On this day' dates, but Friday 11 September is the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Batu Lintang camp. Could this be added please? Jasper33 (talk) 10:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * The 1973 Chilean coup d'état should be included! Moravice (talk) 07:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that article is ineligible due to a section needing more references. — howcheng  {chat} 18:11, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

2020 notes
Forgot to change the births/deaths :( — howcheng  {chat} 17:50, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Mir Asadollah Madani (maintenance)
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Battle of Zenta
 * New articles (ineligible): Masih Alinejad (POTD for 2020)
 * Omitted: Sugarloaf massacre; Kingdom of Kaffa; Battle of Burki (ineligible—maintenance); 2012 Benghazi attack
 * Included: Battle of Stirling Bridge (8th appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible); Batu Lintang camp (6th appearance, last in 2016; rescued from Ineligible; 75th anniversary); September 11 attacks (9th appearance, last in 2018)
 * Repeats: Gabriel Fauré (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total); Stephen Hagiochristophorites (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Mary Watson Whitney (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total; also appeared on January 20, her death anniversary); Murali Kartik (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

Ok, the Christiana riot I actually understand but
why is the Swami Vivekananda article in the listing again when Mountain Meadows massacre hasn't appeared in the listing since 2011? Mountain Meadows was moved out and Christiana Riot was moved back but the Swami listing was left in and here's the thing...it already appeared at least in 2019, 2018, and 2016. I cannot adjust the page now as it is too close to the date so it's protected. , I guess it's up to you at this point. Shearonink (talk) 01:57, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * So we like to have diversity on multiple axes: chronological, topic, and location. Length of time since last appearance is a lesser consideration. The only times I'm OK with keeping in two articles that are close in time to each other are when both are having a significant anniversary (multiple of 10 or 25 for <= 100 years old, multiple of 25 otherwise) so 1851 and 1857 won't be acceptable, especially when both are US-related (Vivekananda is US, but it's Indian too). So 170th anniversary doesn't count in my book as a significant anniversary. On the other hand, even though I'm the person who edits OTD the most, I'm not necessarily in charge of this section either, and since Erp added that article before you moved Mountain Meadows in AND it's that article's first appearance, I'm inclined to give it a little bit more weight. BTW,  has a couple of paragraphs that are missing footnotes, so Erp, you'll want to add those before someone else comes by and tags them with citation needed. Thanks. — howcheng   {chat} 05:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, point taken re closeness in years/1st appearance (and the Christiana riot is also very interesting). Maybe give Mountain Meadows massacre another chance next year as it received WP:GA status the last of August 2021. Shearonink (talk) 17:00, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Added footnotes though I need to double check exactly which pages. I've taken a look at the September 11 page and did a bit of a hunt though a bit late for this year.  The Battle of Vienna took place on 11 September 1683.  The Ear-reddening game of Go was played on 11 September 1846 though that article needs some work (only one source and somewhat specialist). Jenny Lind gave her first American performance on this date in 1850.  The Hope Diamond along with the other French Crown jewels were stolen on 11 September 1792.  --Erp (talk) 06:57, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Jenny Lind and Hope Diamond are already used on other dates. If you check the talk pages, you'll see either a dedicated OTD banner or the OTD dates will be listed in the "Article milestones" section. — howcheng  {chat} 07:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

2021 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 16:13, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * New articles (unused): Dajikaka Gadgil
 * Omitted: Battle of Stirling Bridge; Gabriel Fauré; Batu Lintang camp; September 11 attacks (ineligible—United Airlines Flight 93 is TFA for 2021); Stephen Hagiochristophorites; Mary Watson Whitney; Murali Kartik
 * Included: Battle of Zenta (2nd appearance, last in 2008); Christiana Riot (first appearance); Swami Vivekananda/Parliament of the World's Religions (Swami: 4th appearance, last in 2018; Parliament: first appearance); Battle of Bita Paka (4th appearance, last in 2018); Mir Asadollah Madani (first appearance; 40th anniversary; rescued from Ineligible); John Ireland (bishop) (first appearance); Matsunosuke Onoe (first appearance); Masih Alinejad (first appearance)

Enkutatash
I want to nominate Enkutatash (Ethiopian-Eritrean New Year) on this date. I'm newcomer and have not experience on it. How to edit the page? The Supermind (talk) 12:49, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like this got missed. However, the article could use a few more footnotes to bring it up to Main Page-quality, especially in the "Observances" section. Thanks. — howcheng  {chat} 16:35, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

2022 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 16:34, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Eucharistic adoration (maintenance); Alexander Hamilton (maintenance); Oh! Susanna (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Christiana Riot; Battle of Bita Paka; Mir Asadollah Madani; John Ireland (bishop); Matsunosuke Onoe; Masih Alinejad
 * Included: Mountain Meadows Massacre (6th appearance, last in 2011); Hurricane Iniki (6th appearance, last in 2017; 30th anniversary); Daniyal Mirza (2nd appearance, last in 2018; 450th birthday); Jan Smuts (3rd appearance, last in 2017); Susi Kentikian (2nd appearance, last in 2018)
 * Repeats: Battle of Zenta (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total; 325th anniversary); Swami Vivekananda (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total; blurb also previously featured Parliament of the World's Religions, which is now ineligible)