Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/September 15

The entry of when Google was founded is on both this entry and on the Sept 7 entry. no it isn't ur wrong u stupid fat head —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.185.87.154 (talk) 21:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Lehman Brothers
Should the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008 be included? It seems pretty significant to me since it's the start of the Global Financial Crisis. --WinHunter (talk) 11:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, it should be included. I actually added it a couple of days ago, but User:Zzyzx11 removed it afterwards. --bender235 (talk) 12:24, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * There historically has been an unwritten guideline in that one-year anniversaries are listed as backups and not part of the first visible set of 5 since those articles tend to still be unstable, their content still changes frequently, and still has parts full of Recentism. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * That is nonsense. That Lehman bankruptcy is part of history, and its anniversary will be the lead story around the world tomorrow. So you can either hide yourself behind some "unwritten guideline" that no one cares about anyway, or you can acknowledge the importancy of this event a year ago. --bender235 (talk) 14:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * To clarify, "unwritten" might not be the best term I used in my previous comment. It is more of a corollary to the rules that "the content on the Main Page is chosen based more on how well they are written, not based on how much their subjects are important or significant." As I said, such one-year anniversary articles tend to be unstable, their content still changes frequently, and still has parts full of Recentism. Also, such article, because they are only one year old, may not be completetely comprehensive, present every single view fairly and without bias, or contain major facts or details and places the subject in a long-term historical context. It is these reasons why I prefer that one-year anniversary articles are listed as backups and not part of the first visible set of 5. If you are trying to add this event because your only arguments is that "it is one of the most significant events that has ever happened" or "all the other media around the world are doing it", that does not really fly with me. There is more criteria than that. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Isn't it absurd to claim that an article is "full of Recentism" when the article's topic has happened recently? Lehman Brothers, Financial crisis of 2007–2010, and Bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers might not win FA status right now, but still they are well sourced and well written. I just think the magnitude of the Lehman bankruptcy demands that we put this on the anniversary page tomorrow. --bender235 (talk) 16:46, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

For now But I'll repeat that trying to judge something that is "of magnitude of importance or significant that is demands to be posted on the Main page" is very POV. Regards. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Doon school
The entry about Doon School, describing the school as "India's oldest all-boys public school," is inaccurate. Doon, as its own page describes it, is "relatively new among Indian boarding schools," founded in 1935. There are many schools in India much older. Most in the list below were founded as all-boys schools, though in the last decade or two, some may have become co-ed, at least in their upper grades.
 * St. Joseph's Higher Secondary School, Ooty, (boys only, founded 1820).
 * St. Joseph's College, Calcutta, founded 1829.
 * La Martiniere Calcutta, Boys School, found 1836.
 * La Martiniere Lucknow, Boys School founded 1845.
 * St Michael's High School, Patna, founded 1858.
 * Sherwood College, Nainital, founded 1869.
 * St. Vincent's High and Technical School, Asansol, founded 1877, 1895.
 * St Joseph's College, Nainital, founded 1888.
 * St. Joseph's Boys School, Coonoor, founded 1888.
 * St. Joseph's School, Darjeeling, founded 1888.
 * St. Patrick's Higher Secondary School, Asansol, founded 1891.
 * Goethals Memorial School, Kurseong, founded 1907.
 * St. Edmund's College, Shillong, founded 1924.

"Public school," in the announcement, really means "public school (UK)" i.e. a private school. Some in the list have remained all-boys. Even if all had become co-ed in the last few years, the wording is inaccurate. Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  10:37, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Read it properly. It is not "India's oldest all-boys.." instead "India's first public all-boys". And so it was. The schools you mention were opened by the people of British Raj for the British (this has changed since, of course). But Doon was the first public school in India catering to Indian boys. You know it Fowler, there are references galore in the Doon School article which has been on your anvil for quite sometime. -- Merlaysamuel : Speechify  20:28, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * (Please indent your replies) Still incorrect. Firstly, it is a logical tautology that India's first public all-boys school is also India's oldest public all-boys school.  Secondly, "India," in contemporary usage (that is, between 1858 and 1947), included domiciled Britons and Eurasians.  They were counted in all the censuses of India from 1871 to 1941.  "India" at that time meant the British Indian Empire.  What India are you talking about?  Thirdly, most schools in the above list had opened their doors to Indians by 1935, and many long before that.  How else could Manekshaw (born 1914) have gone to Sherwood College?  Where are these vaunted references that refer to Doon School in that way?   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  04:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * PS The project page here says, "This page usually defers to supporting articles for accuracy or when there is disagreement, so it is best to achieve consensus and make any necessary changes there first." Where does the Doon School article state this fact?  Let us achieve consensus there before Wikipedia unwittingly prints inaccuracies on its main page.   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  04:22, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * PPS I've started a discussion about sourcing in this section of the Doon School Talk page. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  05:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the entry for now, given the confusion about the specific date.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  22:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

2012 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 06:16, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Constans II (ineligible—maintenance); Pope Innocent X (ineligible—maintenance); HMS Whiting (1812)/Doom Bar; Battle of Morotai
 * Included: Opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway (first appearance); Battle of Harpers Ferry (first appearance; 150th anniversary); Nuremberg Laws/Flag of Germany (both: 6th appearance, last in 2010); Battle of Inchon (3rd appearance, last in 2008; rescued from Ineligible)
 * Repeats: Gilles de Rais (2nd consecutive appearance; 2 total)

2013 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 05:08, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Omitted: HMS Whiting (1812); Opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway; Battle of Harpers Ferry; Nuremberg Laws; Battle of Inchon
 * Included: John Bull (locomotive) (5th appearance, last in 2010); Battle of the Somme (4th appearance, last in 2006; rescued from Ineligible); Battle of Morotai (2nd appearance, last in 2011); 16th Street Baptist Church bombing (3rd appearance, last in 2007; rescued from Ineligible; 50th anniversary)
 * Repeats: Gilles de Rais (3rd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

2014 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 07:47, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Gilles de Rais; John Bull (locomotive); Battle of Morotai (ineligible—TFA for 2014)
 * Included: Opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Battle of Harpers Ferry (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Flag of Germany (7th appearance, last in 2012; blurb previously also featured Nuremberg Laws, which is currently ineligible)
 * Repeats: Battle of the Somme (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total); 16th Street Baptist Church bombing (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total)

Protected edit request on 15 September 2014
For the section On This Day... the Independence day for the Central American Countries should also include Honduras among the other countries, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua.

208.13.170.13 (talk) 16:03, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * ❌. The Honduras article has an orange maintenance tag on it, which makes it ineligible for inclusion. — howcheng  {chat} 16:09, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Due to one sub-section that was tagged years ago? This really disrupts the cohesion of Central American independence. Where else in the world do 5 neighboring countries celebrate independence on the same day? Request for a review of this. Gonzomalan (talk) 21:58, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Sorry, but the rules are the rules. Plus, it is now the 16th, so this will have to wait until next year. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 06:08, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * If you are really concerned, please work on that section to bring it up to par. Thanks. — howcheng  {chat} 16:25, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion for 2015
I would suggest adding the Battle of Dobro Pole to this year's list as it started a chain of events leading to the Armistice of Thessaloniki and the Armistice of Mudros among other significant events.--Catlemur (talk) 11:41, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't see this until after I was done with the edit. Let's try that on the 18th instead. — howcheng  {chat} 16:50, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Sure.--Catlemur (talk) 16:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

2015 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 16:49, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Gilles de Rais (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway; Battle of Harpers Ferry; Battle of the Somme
 * Included: HMS Whiting (1812)/Doom Bar (both: 3rd appearance, last in 2012); John Bull (locomotive) (6th appearance, last in 2013); Battle of Morotai/Battle of Peleliu (Morotai: 3rd appearance, last in 2013; Peleliu: first appearance)
 * Repeats: Nuremberg Laws/Flag of Germany (Nuremberg: 7th appearance, last in 2012 (was previously ineligible); Flag: 2nd consecutive appearance, 8 total); 16th Street Baptist Church bombing (3rd consecutive appearance, 4 total)

Add Free Money Day?
Currently there are three events from the 19th Century, two from the 20th, and none from the 21st. If we want to balance it with an ongoing event in the 21st Century, I'd like to suggest Free Money Day. Disclosure: I do know one of the people organising it. However it is a notable event, with media coverage each year, and it adds to the variety of the event types. --Chriswaterguy talk 04jgjmigmdounia
 * 29, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

2016 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 16:06, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Omitted: El Salvador (ineligible—maintenance); John Bull (locomotive); Battle of Morotai/Battle of Peleliu
 * Included: Free Money Day (first appearance); Battle of Harpers Ferry (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Battle of the Somme (6th appearance, last in 2014; 100th anniversary)
 * Repeats: HMS Whiting (1812)/Doom Bar (both: 2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total; 200th anniversary); Nuremberg Laws/Flag of Germany (Laws: 2nd consecutive appearance, 8 total; Flag: 3rd consecutive appearance, 9 total); 16th Street Baptist Church bombing (4th consecutive appearance, 6 total)

2017 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 15:41, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers
 * Omitted: International Day of Democracy; Guatemala; Honduras; Nicaragua; HMS Whiting (1812)/Doom Bar; Battle of Harpers Ferry; Battle of the Somme
 * Included: Saint Dominic in Soriano (first appearance); Invasion of the Cape Colony (1795) (first appearance); Opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Jean Sylvain Bailly (first appearance); Isambard Kingdom Brunel (first appearance); Ann Bannon (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Nuremberg Laws (3rd consecutive appearance, 9 total); 16th Street Baptist Church bombing (5th consecutive appearance, 7 total)

2018 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 05:57, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Free Money Day (ineligible—no longer active?); Saint Dominic in Soriano; Opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway; Nuremberg Laws; 16th Street Baptist Church bombing; Jean Sylvain Bailly; Isambard Kingdom Brunel; Ann Bannon
 * Included: Gilles de Rais (4th appearance, last in 2013; rescued from Ineligible); Act of Independence of Central America (first appearance); Battle of the Somme (7th appearance, last in 2016); Battle of Meligalas (first appearance); Bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers (3rd appearance, last in 2010; 10th anniversary); Catherine of Austria, Queen of Poland (first appearance); Anna Winlock (first appearance); Anton Webern (first appearance)

Born/died
Would either of you mind substituting in Catherine of Genoa, Phil Lamason, and Signe Toly Anderson? They are already in the eligible section. I missed the deadline last night. The three in there right now are a repeat from last year.--- Coffee  and crumbs  19:15, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 19:29, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

2019 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 16:03, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Gilles de Rais; Act of Independence of Central America; Battle of Flers–Courcelette; Battle of Meligalas (ineligible—maintenance); Catherine of Austria, Queen of Poland; Anna Winlock; Anton Webern (ineligible—maintenance)
 * Included: Saint Dominic in Soriano (2nd appearance, last in 2017); John Bull (locomotive) (7th appearance, last in 2015); Battle of Morotai (4th appearance, last in 2015; 75th anniversary); 1959 Khrushchev visit to the United States (first appearance; 60th anniversary); Catherine of Genoa (first appearance); Phil Lamason (first appearance); Signe Toly Anderson (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

2020 notes
Forgot to change the births/deaths this year. :( — howcheng  {chat} 02:56, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Battle of Signal Hill
 * New articles (unused): Declaration of the Rights of Woman and of the Female Citizen (moved from September 4)
 * Omitted: Saint Dominic in Soriano (ineligible—maintenance); John Bull (locomotive); Battle of Morotai; 1959 Khrushchev visit to the United States; Bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers
 * Included: Free Money Day (rescued from Ineligible); Invasion of the Cape Colony (2nd appearance, last in 2017; 225th anniversary); HMS Whiting (1812)/Doom Bar (Whiting: 5th appearance, Doom Bar: 4th, both last in 2016); Nuremberg Laws (10th appearance, last in 2017; blurb previously also featured Flag of Germany, but Flag of Nazi Germany is a better target article even though it's ineligible); Battle of Meligalas (2nd appearance, last in 2018; rescued from Ineligible); 16th Street Baptist Church bombing (8th appearance, last in 2017)
 * Repeats: Catherine of Genoa (2nd appearance, 2 total); Phil Lamason (2nd appearance, 2 total); Signe Toly Anderson (2nd appearance, 2 total)

Act of Independence of Central America
.. from Spain 15 September 1821, observed as the independence day of Guatamala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Costa Rica. IMHO, this should be included in selected anniversaries and/or holidays.Jaredscribe (talk) 04:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC) This is the first anniversary listed on es.wikipedia.org, and there is a separate mention for each national day corresponding.Jaredscribe (talk) 05:00, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

2021 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 20:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Battle of Signal Hill (maintenance); Opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway (TFA for 2021-05-22); State visit by Nikita Khrushchev to the United States (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Free Money Day (ineligible—not notable enough); Invasion of the Cape Colony; HMS Whiting (1812); Nuremberg Laws; Battle of Meligalas; 16th Street Baptist Church bombing; Catherine of Genoa; Phil Lamason
 * Included: Declaration of the Rights of Woman and of the Female Citizen (first appearance); Battle of Flers–Courcelette (first appearance); Battle of Morotai (5th appearance, last in 2019); Parsons Green train bombing (first appearance); Edmé Boursault (first appearance); Charles-Amédée Kohler (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Signe Toly Anderson (3rd consecutive appearance, 3 total; 80th birthday)

2022 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 17:12, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Gilles de Rais (maintenance); John Bull (locomotive) (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Declaration of the Rights of Woman and of the Female Citizen; Battle of Flers–Courcelette; Battle of Morotai/Battle of Peleliu; Parsons Green train bombing; Edmé Boursault; Charles-Amédée Kohler; Signe Toly Anderson
 * Included: Landing at Kip's Bay (first appearance); Opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway (4th appearance, last in 2017; rescued from Ineligible); Hydroelectricity in Turkey (first appearance); Scandinavian Airlines System Flight 130 (first appearance; 50th anniversary); Catherine of Austria, Queen of Poland (2nd appearance, last in 2018); Phil Lamason (3rd appearance, last in 2020); Ann Bannon (2nd appearance, last in 2017; 90th birthday)