Wikipedia talk:Simple userbox solution

Please discuss this issue on Wikipedia_talk:Userboxes so that everything is all in one place.

Huh?
Why was this made? Æon Insane Ward 16:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * This article clarifies the possibility that there is no need for a complicated solution to the userbox issue. --NThurston 17:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How exactly can this "solution" be considered a compromise? Aren&#39;t I Obscure? 20:43, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The same way as the GUS is a compromise. The major difference in this compromise being that more userboxes would be allowed in Template:User than in the GUS, which is eminently reasonable. It also prevents the pending war developing from the merciless implementation of GUS from getting out of hand (which is why we compromise).--NThurston 20:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * GUS is a compromise between outright deletion of userboxes and leaving them in the template namespace. This proposal just wants to leave all the userboxes in the template namespace. In essence, userbox supporters get 100% of what they want and opponents get 0%. I think we may have different definitions of "compromise".Aren&#39;t I Obscure? 21:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I will try to assume good faith, please bear with a veteran of the userbox wars. What you suggest is maintaining of the pre-userbox wars status quo. Since there were userbox wars, only ended by a compromise by all sides involved, on what grounds do you assume that returning to the conditions a large part of the editors and admins objected against will be accepted by them now? Charon X /talk 01:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

That was rejected quickly. This wouldn't work anyways. You know, we'd be back to free-speechers vs. userbox/POV deletionists. -Royalguard11TalkMy Desk 22:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've removed the premature rejected template; since this proposal is worthy of discussion. --SteveMcCluskey 01:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Worth discussing on what grounds? GUS is active and working, for the vast majority of users. It's a compromise, unlike this proposal. What do you expect to come of this? -- nae'blis 01:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd rather leave that can of worms closed, we don't want to go back to pre WP:GUS - food for thoughts below. Charon X /talk 01:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * This is no compromise, just a return to how things used to be, and CharonX has shown (below) exactly what that was like. — Mi ra  01:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It would be extremely helpful if someone could add links to when and where this proposal was considered and rejected by the community, if that is really true. --NThurston 14:28, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It is being rejected, and has been rejected, right here on this page and across the project. You've obviously got enough knowledge to know what the situation once was; that was unacceptable to both sides of the "userbox wars". Most people have moved on, and trying to restart the controversy isn't going to fly. I'm sure if I'm wrong, someone besides the original proposer will correct me. That's how consensus works. -- nae'blis 15:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not trying to restart the controversy, for sure. However, it's not clear at all that SUS was rejected as a reasonable solution, and it is even less clear that GUS has been accepted as "policy" as Tony and Cyde are quick to claim.  A few people have moved on to implementing the GUS, and I am committed to cooperating with them.  However, I also predict that this will not make everybody happy, hence I am open to further improvements, one of which I believe could eventually be SUS.  So, if you have knowledge of when and where this proposal was rejected, it would be helpful to document that here, so that 'if' this topic is reopened, we don't need to re-hash old ground. --NThurston 16:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And being rejected just because Cyde says so doesn't count. --NThurston 16:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you'll find that one thing Cyde and I agree on, is that we don't agree very often. I don't take his light red word as gospel on any account. :) -- nae'blis 20:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * See Userboxes/Userbox location straw poll. By my count, there is a clear consensus for moving controversial userboxes to userspace. &mdash;Andux␅ 19:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe for controversial userboxes, but people are moving Automotive, for crying out loud. Anyway, that's only marginally related to this proposal, as most people are voting that way in the context of GUS (since the straw poll is a sub-page of GUS). But worth noting here. --NThurston 20:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Automotive is (arguably) unencyclopedic, which makes it fair game for deletionists; therefore, GUS. &mdash;Andux␅ 23:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Cyde didn't mark it as rejected the second time, I did. And I did so because of consensus reached on this talk page and in multiple other locations (this category looks like it contains many of those) that the old way was not acceptable, not because Cyde told me to. I just don't see what the difference is between this proposal and how things worked before WP:GUS. If you could explain the difference, that would be helpful. — Mi ra  20:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * A good start. However, there was never anything like a consensus "reached on this talk page" for anything, let alone that this policy has been rejected.  It's these "multiple other locations" that I want to document here. So far, I have not seen ANY page where this policy (or one similar to it) was rejected based on a consensus.  Just a lot of vague references to "we've been over this already."  I admit that it is a real possibility, but want to document them here to prevent plowing new ground.
 * The primary difference from status quo ante would be to officially recognize that Template:User is protected in the same way that User: is protected. It is admittedly similar to the MUPP (which had very broad support, but I am to understand was not implemented because some vowed to never accept it, effectively blocking it's implementation) and other ideas that came up in the discussion.  While I accept that GUS is being implemented, I can't convince myself that there was an appropriate consideration of a SUS proposal, nor that there was any perceived consensus to reject it.  It is my observation is that the anti-userbox people (most of the 'Oppose' votes on MUPP voted on grounds of eliminating UBXs entirely, not on the proposed location) have not gained anything at all in this compromise.  Under GUS, divisive and inflammatory userboxes will now flourish unless they violate a very narrow set of Wikipedia basics.  The SUS or the MUPP could have been much more of a middle-ground compromise had the anti-UBX crowd worked within them to say, "OK, template is fine, but no truly inflammatory stuff."  --NThurston 20:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Some food for your thoughts
I'm happy to see Doc is back, and I certainly hope there aren't any hard feelings - he's a good admin and editor, even though we locked our horns hard in the past. But I offered you food for your thoughts, not my ramblings, so let's take a look at the time before WP:GUS


 * 15:02, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User tolerates profanity" (t1)
 * 15:02, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User human form" (t1)
 * 15:02, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User not-Drug-free" (t1)
 * 15:01, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User disbelieves profanity" (t1)
 * 15:01, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User EFF" (t1)
 * 15:01, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User freespeech" (t1)
 * 15:01, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User not censored" (t1)
 * 15:00, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User hate profanity" (t1)
 * 15:00, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User ok profanity" (t1)
 * 01:45, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User CPC" (t1)
 * 00:38, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Anti-Communist" (t1)
 * 00:33, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User no notability" (t1 divisive partisan template)
 * 23:17, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User AKEL" (t1)
 * 23:17, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User DISY" (t1)
 * 23:16, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User EDP" (t1)
 * 23:16, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User EUD" (t1)
 * 23:16, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User EFA" (t1)
 * 23:16, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User EGP" (t1)
 * 23:16, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Euro-Left" (t1)
 * 23:16, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User ELDR" (t1)
 * 23:16, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User AEN" (t1)
 * 23:16, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User NGLA" (t1)
 * 23:16, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User EPP" (t1)
 * 23:16, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User PES" (t1)
 * 02:48, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User no notability" (divisive partisan template)
 * 00:48, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Editor even" (divisive)
 * 00:32, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User furry" (nothing but vandalism magnet)
 * 00:29, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User grammar nazi2" (t1 (why is this still here?))
 * 00:02, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Ontario Liberal" (t1)
 * 00:02, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User WBP" (t1)
 * 00:02, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Progressive Canadian" (t1)
 * 00:02, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User NDP" (t1)
 * 00:02, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Marxist-Leninist" (t1)
 * 00:02, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Marijuanaparty" (t1)
 * 00:02, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Libertarian Canada" (t1)
 * 00:02, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Canadian Green" (t1)
 * 00:02, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User FPNP" (t1)
 * 00:01, 1 June 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Canadian Liberal" (t1)
 * 23:57, 31 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Canadian Conservative" (t1)
 * 23:57, 31 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Canadian Communist" (t1)
 * 23:57, 31 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Christian Heritage" (t1)
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 * 23:33, 31 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "User:Userboxes/Satanist" (fork)
 * 23:05, 30 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User No Recycling" (CSD#Templates)
 * 23:05, 30 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User you recycle" (CSD#Templates)
 * 01:26, 30 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Pascal's Wager" (t1)
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 * 01:11, 30 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User pacifist" (t2)
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 * 01:00, 30 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User anarchist" (t2)
 * 23:30, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User democrat" (t2)
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 * 23:27, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User UK MK" (t2)
 * 23:27, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User SDLP" (t2)
 * 23:27, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Plaid Cymru" (t2)
 * 23:23, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Liberal Party of Australia" (t2)
 * 23:23, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Die Grünen" (t2)
 * 23:23, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Australian Labor Party" (t2)
 * 23:23, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Australian Greens" (t2)
 * 23:22, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Australian Democrats" (t2)
 * 23:22, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User National Party of Australia" (t2)
 * 23:22, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Country Liberal Party" (t2)
 * 23:22, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Coalition" (t2)
 * 20:25, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User UK RESPECT" (t2)
 * 20:25, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Lib Dem" (t2)
 * 20:25, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User England Wales Green" (t2)
 * 20:25, 29 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Coop" (t2)
 * 23:54, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User PD Albania" (t2)
 * 23:54, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User UK Labour" (t2)
 * 23:46, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User UKIP" (t2)
 * 23:46, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User LDPR:Zhirinovsky" (t2)
 * 23:46, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User UK UUP" (t2)
 * 23:45, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User SNP" (t2)
 * 23:45, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Scotland Green" (t2)
 * 23:45, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User UK Conservative" (t2)
 * 22:04, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User UK DUP" (t2)
 * 22:04, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User SF" (t2)
 * 22:04, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User KP" (t2)
 * 22:04, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User CCP-0" (t2)
 * 22:04, 25 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User CCP" (t2)
 * 22:35, 22 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Shar" (t2)
 * 21:17, 22 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Userbox deletionist" (t1 disruption and trolling)
 * 21:12, 22 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Shar" (t1 - we are not haveing campaigning userboxes for AfDs you don't like)
 * 21:11, 22 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User cat-0" (nonsense)
 * 14:25, 21 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Arbeiderpatiet" (t2)
 * 14:24, 21 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Sosialistisk Venstreparti" (t2)
 * 14:24, 21 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User USA-Norway" (t2)
 * 14:23, 21 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User antisocialism" (t1/t2)
 * 14:32, 19 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User lennonist" (t2)
 * 14:27, 19 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User spiritual" (t2)
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 * 14:25, 19 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User browser hate:Microsoft Internet Explorer" (t2)
 * 14:25, 19 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "User:Userboxuser/HateIE" (t2)
 * 14:16, 19 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Popetown" (t2)
 * 14:09, 19 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Likud" (t2)
 * 23:28, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User hell atheist" (t2)
 * 23:27, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Antipope" (t1/t2)
 * 23:26, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User LHP" (t2)
 * 23:25, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User belives in Allah" (t2)
 * 23:22, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User buddhist" (t2)
 * 23:22, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Mahayana" (t2)
 * 19:58, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User region Macedonia" (t2)
 * 19:53, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User green" (t2)
 * 19:53, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Distributist" (t2)
 * 16:40, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User liberal" (t2)
 * 13:53, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User COYOTE" (t1/2)
 * 13:49, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Monarchist" (t2)
 * 13:49, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User liberty" (t2)
 * 13:49, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Social Democrat" (t2)
 * 13:49, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User libertarian socialist2" (t2)
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 * 11:06, 18 May 2006 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Drug-free" (t2)
 * 12:07, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User childless" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources (childless movement))
 * 12:07, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Pro-life" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
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 * 12:06, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User against fox hunting" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 12:06, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User ape-equality" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 12:05, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User flag Australia" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 12:05, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Run-Off" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 12:04, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User vote" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 12:04, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Monarchist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 12:03, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User liberty" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
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 * 12:03, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User apolitical" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 12:02, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User No Marxism" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 12:02, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User libertarian socialist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
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 * 11:59, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Anarcho-capitalist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
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 * 11:57, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User pro concealed carry" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
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 * 11:56, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Wikipedia:Userboxes/Religion" (No conceivable encyclopedic use)
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 * 11:53, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Adventist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:53, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User rc" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:52, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Catholic Evangelical" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:52, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:Reformed Baptist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:51, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User eastortho" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources, even as a joke)
 * 11:50, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User religion flying spaghetti monster not really" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources, even as a joke)
 * 11:50, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User IPU2" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources, even as a joke)
 * 11:50, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User pope" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources, even as a joke)
 * 11:50, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Hell" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources, even as a joke)
 * 11:49, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User spiritual humanist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:48, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User secular humanist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:48, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User humanist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:48, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Noahide" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:47, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User lennonist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:47, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User monolatry" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:45, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User religion interest" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:45, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User religion" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:43, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User evol-4" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:43, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User evol-3" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:43, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User evol-2" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:42, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User evol-1" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:42, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User evol-0" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:42, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User creationist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:42, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User evolution" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:40, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User No Recycling" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:40, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Recycling" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:40, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User clean fuels" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:39, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User not-Drug-free" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:39, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Drug-free" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:39, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User All Drugs" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:39, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User cannabis" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:38, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User EFF" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources)
 * 11:31, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Wikipedia:Userboxes/Seasonal" (No conceivable encyclopedic use)
 * 11:31, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Santa is Satan" (No conceivable encyclopedic use)
 * 11:31, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User NoSanta" (No conceivable encyclopedic use)
 * 11:30, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Santa" (No conceivable encyclopedic use)
 * 11:30, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Remembrance Day" (No conceivable encyclopedic use)
 * 11:29, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Halloween" (No conceivable encyclopedic use)
 * 11:29, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Canada Day" (No conceivable encyclopedic use)
 * 11:29, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Earth Day" (No conceivable encyclopedic use)
 * 11:03, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User antimonarchist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources.)
 * 11:00, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Christian" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources.)
 * 11:00, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User AI" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources.)
 * 11:00, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Chinese Traditional Religion" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources.)
 * 10:59, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Capitalist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources.)
 * 10:59, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Communist" (Proselytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources.)
 * 10:59, 3 January 2006 Tony Sidaway (Talk | contribs) deleted "Template:User Anti-euro" (Prosylytising is not a defensible use of Wikipedia resources.)

(Note: I picked Tony and Doc for my special/logs fetch they had the most easily copy&pasted contents in their logs, both are quite good editor and admins, even if they can get on your nerves sometimes - but who doesn't?) This should have shown how badly we needed the compromise of WP:GUS. And before anyone claims these were the actions of rouge admins (not to be confused with the lime-green admins) the tally showed that every side had considerable following and quite reasonable arguments. So a compromise was found and made and everyone is happy or at least satified. Charon X /talk 01:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Userbox virtual space
This is conceptually the same as the new userbox virtual space I, among others in various forms, suggested in May. Obviously, it didn't catch on back then, and it seems to have developed several former-fans-turned-foes today. I agree this is the most elegant theoretical "solution." However, the messy reality is that Jimbo released an oracle pointing to the hinterlands. We mortals simply try to divine its inner meaning and live our wikilives accordingly. I support putting this one to rest and moving on. Rfrisbietalk 22:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

SUS template
Did anyone subst this template somewhere? I want to use it on my page (even if it was rejected). --WikiSlasher 11:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This is just Cyde being himself again - trying to quash any opposing points of view so that he can claim consensus. If I can't find someone to undelete it, I can re-create it. --NThurston 14:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The term 'SUS' comes from the game AMOGUS. 2600:1700:6180:6290:60CB:CA76:257F:41DC (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Un-reject
Despite repeated requests for those who placed the "rejected" tag on this project to document when and where this proposal was a) considered, and b) rejected with anything close to consensus, nothing has been provided. I still do not believe that this proposal was ever considered, hence it could not be rejected. The claim that is was rejected on this talk page is nonsensical, as anyone reading the comments above can see. --NThurston 21:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oddly enough you let that tag stand up there for over a month and nobody bothered to remove it. The large majority agrees with the infeasability of it. Still if it is so important to you I'll let that slip - I think we can agree on the historical tag - putting aside meta-discussion there has be no real activity here for quite some time, so I think the historical talk is appopiate. Charon X /talk 11:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Pointless Policy
Isn't it pointless how this policy is abbreviated as SUS?! 2600:1700:6180:6290:60CB:CA76:257F:41DC (talk) 12:55, 19 July 2022 (UTC)