Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/Sarandioti

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Zjarri's excuse that there are 500,000 Albanian immigrants in Athens is not only sheer nonsense, but almost all of them are unskilled manual laborers, let alone fluent in French and German. Athenean (talk) 18:57, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That's just racist bias or plain ignorance or should I mention that there are not 1 but 9 Albanian newspapers in Athens only. Or should I mention that almost every year there are protests in many neighbourhoods of Athens because the Albanian students get to be flagbearers because they are better students? Does Athenean think that this is 1992 or else I have to ask when did he last visit Athens because 20% of Athens is composed of non-Greeks about half of which are Albanians.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 19:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Right. And they all happen to share exactly the same hardline national POV and dislike of everything Greek as Sarandioti, share the same interests in wikipedia as Sarandioti, speak the same languages as Sarandioti, sound just like Sarandioti, and edit with exactly the same schedule as Sarandioti.  AND occupy the same geolocation as Sarandioti.  Must all be coincidence.  As for the rest of the OR about demographics and "better students", well, what can I say.  Athenean (talk) 19:14, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What same geolocation? All people living in Athens have the same geolocation lol. I don't speak the same languages as him as far as I know and you don't even know what languages he speaks because on the net you can fake too many things especially knowledge of languages. And when did I dislike everything Greek or become a hardline nationalist like Sarandioti(I doubt even that)?-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 19:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course you don't expect anyone to take your word for what languages you speak and don't speak now, do you? I expect you to deny everything.  The linguistic evidence I am citing is based on diffs, not just hearsay.  And you can't fake that.  Also interesting you mention Spanish, because guess what, Sarandioti was also knowledgeable about Spanish .  My suggestion to you is to stop digging yourself deeper and deeper, but avoid socking for 6 months and have a shot at the standard offer.  Athenean (talk) 19:32, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:OUCH Athenean because that diff actually proves that he didn't know anything about Spanish. A common mistake someone who doesn't know Spanish can make is the following: he can assume that the prefix "la" before a surname is actually part of it and write it together like Sarandioti but actually it's a prefix and is written as la_ before the surname. -- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 19:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually it seems he got it right eventually . Oops! Athenean (talk) 19:39, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

(unindent)Doesn't really matter because if he knew what he was doing he wouldn't have made that mistake. WP:OUCH-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 19:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind the fact he wrote the whole article based on a single Spanish language source, which he obviously must have understood quite well. Athenean (talk) 19:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

(unindent)Athenean translators can help you get the basic meaning of everything but they can't teach you grammar so if you don't know a language you'll make the mistake.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 19:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In my experience, online translators are unwieldy and laborious to use, and next to useless, especially for anything advanced or remotely complex. I highly doubt he processed the entire source on an online translator and wrote the article based on that. Also, there is no way that the Spanish source he used made the mistake you are referring to.  So it was just a typo, nothing more, which he fixed later on.  Athenean (talk) 20:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Lagasca more than two times isn't a typo but a grammar mistake based on no actual knowledge on the language itself.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 20:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * This discussion is getting nowhere. You both have made your points. That is sufficient. Nothing more needs to be said now. -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 20:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Note
All involved, please review this note on this case before continuing. Thanks, Sh i r ik  ( Questions or Comments? ) 19:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Response to Shirik
Even if we strike the WP:PRECOCIOUS evidence, there are still way too many coincidences. While no single piece of evidence is by itself damning, when you add them up, there is little room for doubt. It's not just the geolocation and identical national POV, it's the whole package. The figures of speech, the IRC behavior, the editing schedule, the timing of the appearance, the languages spoken, the personality, it's all there. And that's not just me saying that, it's also the only admin who is familiar with both Z and S (and every single other Balkan editor of the last 4 years). At some point you just say "if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck...". Athenean (talk) 04:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What IRC behavior? You have never talked to me or had any kind of contact with me so how can you possibly assume all kinds of theories to fit your report. -- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 08:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm talking about the way you are continuously on IRC, just like Sarandioti, and all his socks, and completely unlike every other Albanian editor, none of whom is on IRC, let alone all the time. I find that quite striking.  Athenean (talk) 04:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Me all the time on IRC? The first time I ever joined IRC was after you reported me and I never have been "all the time on IRC".-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 08:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ignore my previous comment. I did not realise that we were on a talk page. *Embarrassing* --Kilibarda (talk) 17:12, 10 August 2010 (UTC)