Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 16

Kamikazee
Can I upload Images of Kamikazee to WP from this website? The Game - Hhh210 (talk) 14:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, unless the owner grants permission, pass as CC license, and removes the copyright watermark in the process. Starczamora (talk) 14:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:Marcos Flees!.jpg
I think this picture needs FU and conversion into PNG.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Like Marcos over 22 yers ago, the deletion process has fled that pic since I recently added some fair use excuse (as I call it) on that pic for the 3 articles linked to that pic. Converting it to PNG will be done in a week or less. -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 08:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks-- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Just a heads up
The notorious Gerald Gonzalez...is back. Starczamora (talk) 07:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hahahahaha -- Howard  the   Duck  07:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently, that user has another recently-made account. Can this be cited for sockpuppetry? Starczamora (talk) 13:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I discovered another sockpuppet of this user: (User:Harold hehehe). Maybe we should report this as sockpuppetry... -Danngarcia (talk) 18:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Can an admin delete the pics appearing on those user pages? -- Howard  the   Duck  18:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I deleted the images. I've blocked those three accounts. I don't think Gerald is going to give up anytime soon, so if you guys notice other socks that you're sure are his, you can tell me on my talk page and add them to the SSP report and I'll block them. There's also Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Gerald_Gonzalez and Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Gerald_Gonzalez for tagging the accounts. Cheers, Sarah 00:16, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Tina Tinio entry getting a large amount of attention
See this stats page. The reason is because this blog came into being within the last 5 days. The dirty laundry and skeletons in the closet of the so-called "Gucci Gang" (a group of "high society" people in Manila) is being exposed by a swindled Australian. Tina Tinio is supposedly a member of this "gang." --seav (talk) 16:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Too bad the blogger chickened out because of death threats "kuno". That would have been our version of Gossip Girl. Starczamora (talk) 07:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nobody knew anyone that loves that blogger. -- Howard  the   Duck  07:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Si T. Tinio, kilala ko yan. --121.1.18.241 (talk) 08:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, everybody knows her by now. Starczamora (talk) 09:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, the Gucci Gang controversy article is up. Starczamora (talk) 09:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow. That article you started will certainly stress the reliable sources guideline. Of the references you used, the libel legal discussion seems to be the only one that might be unquestionable. The others (except the Chikatime refs) are opinion columns, that may or may not have editorial oversight (e.g., Manila Times disclaims that the opinions of their columnists [e.g., Malu Fernandez] are their own and does not reflect that of the paper). --seav (talk) 14:28, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As long as the opinions are stated were it came from it is safe. -- Howard  the   Duck  15:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Whoops. Brian just mentioned the new article in his blog. Expect that some people will edit it (and maybe add spam links to their own blog posts talking about the issue). --seav (talk) 09:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And it's been nominated for deletion. --seav (talk) 06:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

For Easter Did You Know...
Let us expand Pasyon. I would be doing so later in the day, but I also need help. Starczamora (talk) 22:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Manny Pacquiao
Can anyone help me keep this article POV free? (specifically the "Super Featherweight title" section. With his recent win, fanboys add too much WP:PEACOCK and NPOV violations. †B lo o d p ac k†  22:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Dealing with persistent vandals who don't read comments nor their talk pages?
The user 126.60.243.104 keeps adding unsourced content to various Philippine-related pages. I've reverted his edits a number of times and left a reason why his changes were edited, but he doesn't seem to read the history, nor the warnings on his talk page. Attempts to have this user blocked are usually left with a message that he hasn't been active over the past few hours. Any suggestions on how one can get through to this user? --Edward Sandstig (talk) 08:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Tagalog Wikipedia improvement drive
I know that some of us are busy in improving articles here in the English Wikipedia. But the Tagalog Wikipedia community is asking for your help in improving articles in Tagalog. Please see our message below. --Jojit (talk) 00:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

 Tagalog Wikipedia Campaign March 2008! Tagalog Wikipedia is campaigning for your participation in writing, editing, assessing and translating articles! The purpose of this campaign is to expand and improve articles at Tagalog Wikipedia. Your participation will be highly appreciated by the community.

There are over 16,000 articles to view, read, review, edit, and expand, so please visit the Wikipedia Café and the WikiProject Philippines at Tagalog Wikipedia to help out!

The campaign includes seeking your assistance in:
 * Providing requested pages
 * Providing requested articles
 * Providing articles required for all language Wikipedias
 * Starting or improving pages that need translation

Thank you in advance and regards, '''Tagalog Wikipedia Editors

Admin-assisted move
Can an admin move 99.5 Hit FM to 99.5 Campus FM? Thanks. -- Howard  the   Duck  05:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

WPPhilippines: Articles of unclear notability
Hello,

there are currently 19 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 2008-03-12 and may be slightly outdated.)

I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see WikiProject Notability.

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 16:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Happy Easter
Nagpakabait ba kayo this Holy Week? ako kaunti lang ;) -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Question & Suggestion
Why is it that Philippines has no List of Philippine-related topics navigational template like in Australia? Like this: --Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 09:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we can adopt the one used at Portal:Philippines (Portal:Philippines/Topics)

-- bluemask (talk) 10:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Good one but it needs clean-up (too many entries in the history section) and some fixes here and there. --Efe (talk) 11:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This a good one but needs to add other section and the history section must be summarized.--Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 09:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm now doing some work on the navigational template for the Philippines and I need some suggestions for extra sections and articles either on this talkpage or on my usertalk page. -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 08:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC) Scratch That. -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK ·  Vandalize it 06:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the Philippines article had a linkfarm before but I removed it since anons were adding their own articles there. -- Howard  the   Duck  08:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Can someone restore that? --Efe (talk) 08:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I dunno if I can find it, I removed it on 2006. -- Howard  the   Duck  08:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok. It would be better if you can trace that one to lessen workload. --Efe (talk) 09:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW, I replaced the long list with a link to List of Philippine-related topics. -- Howard  the   Duck  09:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Please click the "Vandalize it" link at the end of my message here - I made a new template similar to the one above. (Bottom part of my sandbox) -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 09:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC) Scratch that too. -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK ·  Vandalize it 06:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Cut down history and removed the "v-d-e" links. -- Howard  the   Duck  04:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have now already made this template and similar to the template that you see in above. see: --Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 07:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Joseph & Howard. -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 06:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Questions about translation
(I'll be sure to post this on the Tagalog Wikipedia where it can also get attention. Wikipedians active in the other projects are invited to post this too in their respective village pumps.)

I can foresee that there will be issues on translating quite a few things between English and Philippine languages:


 * Street names, including addresses
 * Building names (ex. Eiffel Tower)
 * Country names

All three are quite contentious in ways where this basically elevates the (silent) translation debate a step higher. All three sets of proper nouns are usually in English, and in Tagalog/Filipino, despite having words that exist to describe them, they are rarely (if ever) used. For example, you would hear Ayala Avenue everywhere, but you will never hear Abenida Ayala in Tagalog or any other Philippine language. The same with the Eiffel Tower, but never the Toreng Eiffel.

With regard to country names, not all countries where there is a corresponding translation to the nationality (i.e. Danes for Danish, Suweko for Swedish, Tay for Thai) have a translation to the country itself (i.e. Dinamarka for Denmark, Suwesya for Sweden, Taylandya for Thailand [translations transliterated from the Spanish]). This is a very peculiar phenomenon upon our linguists who write our dictionaries and we should have some sort of consensus on this.

I agree that we are not all linguists, but at least we should have some consensus on this issue. Hopefully whatever comes out of this can serve as an effective guide not only to us but even to newbies and the like. -- Sky Harbor 01:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The language must show dynamism and shouldn't confine itself to its traditional usage, but not to the point of using Taglish. If you have come across some newly published books written in Filipino you'll be surprised to see a lot of English terms which are spelled as it is pronounced in the vernacular. These are mostly books published by the Sentro ng Wikang Filipino, however they use Filipinas instead of Pilipinas, which brings in a myriad of issues. IMHO, it will be convenient to use, what we actually use in the vernacular. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 13:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * So it is more proper then, per your opinion, to say Ayala Abenyu than Abenida Ayala? -- Sky Harbor  07:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not really comfortable about "Taglishing" words. Abenida ng Ayala would have been okay. Starczamora (talk) 07:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There are certain categories of words when Tagalicized can be left in its original form as if they were in Spanish. Examples of this include notaryo publiko, agham panlipunan (from Spanish ciencia social) and possibly road names like Abenida Ayala (a prominent example of this should be Calle Anloague/Kalye Anloague in Noli Me Tangere).  -- Sky Harbor  08:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I am more inclined for the Tagalized/Filipinized Ayala Avenue. But I guess we are already familiar with some Tagalized/Filipinized words like hayskul, andergradweyt, reyp, titser. I don't know if I could write here the portion of the book published by the Sentro ng Wikang Filipino, which gave some guidelines about the adaptation of words into the local language. But as far as it indicated, with regard to scientific terms, they retain the original spelling. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 12:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The thing about that is that these features were widely used well until the "Taglish movement". These words have long existed in Tagalog but are rarely used in contemporary usage now because so many people don't know how to use them, or are unaware that those words exist in the first place.  -- Sky Harbor  14:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Kim Chiu and Gerald Anderson
OK, so I'm not a fan of those two, but as a WP contributor I'm concerned about the edits that are being posted in their articles, since there's so much fanboyism among their supporters, and spreading their fanaticism by adding unnecessary/POV edits there wouldn't be nice. Kim's article for one, has been flagged as resembling a fan site and needs TLC... Any thoughts on this? God Bless and have a nice day... Blake Gripling (talk) 11:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

hello to everyone!!

hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.138.162.6 (talk) 14:45, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * What? This isn't supposed to be a general/off-topic discussion forum, right? Blake Gripling (talk) 23:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you could get some ideas off Avoid peacock terms in fixing the articles. I don't watch TV unless its the news so I'm no good at showbiz articles. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Had Wikipedia or the internet been available in the 80s I'm sure there'll be articles for Jennifer Sevilla or Romnick Sarmienta. Ü --Scorpion prinz (Talk 13:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it isn't that necessary that you need to be in the 80s just to make a WP article about them... Blake Gripling (talk) 23:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It'll be impossible to find sources for that Romnick and Jennifer love team. -- Howard  the   Duck  09:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Anything in the 80's or 90's is freaking hard to source.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh? Isn't Romnick Sarmienta's love teammate Sheryl Cruz? --seav (talk) 06:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, they were love triangle. --Jojit (talk) 08:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, young love. Now I know the ages of the people here. Hahahaha -- Howard  the   Duck  08:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm unaware of that... hahaha... wow the Young Love, Sweet Love generation. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 11:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If anyone is a fanboy of these old love teams and possess really old magazines/newspapers, these can be used. Although it is a lot easier to be a fanboy nowadays. -- Howard  the   Duck  11:40, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehehe, wala naman sa itsura ko. ;) Sorry, even if I'm in their age bracket, I'm not a fanboy of those love teams. During those times, I watched Batman: The Animated Series instead of That's Entertainment.  My ate and I used to fight over the remote. She was an ultimate That's Entertainment fangirl.  Probably, I can ask my ate if she still has the old newspaper clippings of these love teams.  She even had taken photos of Manilyn Reynes and other famous artistas during that era, late 80s to early 90s.  I will ask her permission if she can release those photos under GFDL. --Jojit (talk) 01:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok.... this thread has totally become off-topic. Going back to the PBB teen housemates' articles? --seav (talk) 02:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Lotlot and friends! --Scorpion prinz (Talk 15:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Redesign of tl:Unang Pahina
For those of you who are concerned about the Tagalog Wikipedia, there is currently a discussion about the changing of the Main page. Just go to tl:WP:KAPE if you're interested. --  Felipe   Aira  05:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * New elements has been added to the tl:Unang Pahina/Temp (the proposal page) yet again. You people might want to see it, especially those who already participated to the discussions. --   Felipe   Aira  13:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Flat-headed Cat
Not really my bussiness, but purely out of curiosity as I stumpled upon the tag on the talk page: Why is the Flat-headed Cat part of Tambayan Philippines? A mistaken perhaps? RN1970 (talk) 15:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Magallanes, Cavite Fix?
Hi guys, just wanted to let you guys know, I found a weirdly-edited page here Magallanes, Cavite. Not sure how to go about fixing it as it seems like a cut-and-paste job with formatting but if it's from the editor's own work, might be admissible in WP. Shrumster (talk) 19:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I fixed some spacing and section labels. - DaughterofSun (talk) 22:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

ATTACK OF THE FANCRUFT
oh look what those Anons did. ViperSnake151 22:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

3 RfA's in Tl.wiki
guys maybe you could help here. Some of the RfA's here are almost a month old.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 11:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

here is the link.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 11:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Banaag at Sikat
Anyone who could kindly provide a book cover for Banaag at Sikat here and at Tagalog Wikipedia? Would appreciate it. Thanks. - DaughterofSun (talk) 20:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC) Done-- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Philippine Map
Anyone here can create a Philippine map with KIG? --Filipinayzd (talk) 04:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's one --Scorpion prinz (Talk 14:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Do you have a political map version of it? --Filipinayzd (talk) 14:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * None yet. Busy these days. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 08:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Like this. --Filipinayzd (talk) 14:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Check this out New Zealand EEZ Map. --Filipinayzd (talk) 09:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Need help for these Philippine-related articles
Please feel free to assist in expanding these articles:
 * Roughback sea catfish
 * Elaeocarpus calomala
 * Koordersiodendron pinnatum
 * Thank you. - DaughterofSun (talk) 20:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's hard, there are too few Filipino biologists contributing to Wikipedia. I think that as long as the information is accurate, they can remain stubs for a while. There are plenty of other articles that are normal research topics in Filipino schools that need attention. --seav (talk) 03:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I searched Google but came empty handed. I just added the infoboxes for now. You might want to access the library in the Marine Science Institute at UP Diliman-- Lenticel ( talk ) 16:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hoi, Lenticel, ikaw bahala nyan. Mahilig ka sa ganyan. Nyahaha. --Efe (talk) 06:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I was thinking about User:Shrumster as she is a marine biologist. I am a molecular biologist.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah. But the bottom line is you're both bios. Hehe. Babae pala xa ha. --Efe (talk) 08:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Assessment please
The following require assessment ratings: - Please feel free to improve them too. Thanks. - DaughterofSun (talk) 07:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Fabian de la Rosa
 * Pablo Amorsolo


 * Done. --Efe (talk) 08:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That was really fast. Was just a blur... - DaughterofSun (talk) 08:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome. =) --Efe (talk) 08:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Latest additions (to this list)
Here are additional articles I found needing assessment:
 * Traditional games in the Philippines
 * Bob Ong
 * Thanks. - DaughterofSun (talk) 23:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Bata, Bata… Pa’no Ka Ginawa?
 * And the above... - DaughterofSun (talk) 23:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Palosebo - yeah, this one also... - DaughterofSun (talk) 23:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. you might consider tagging any Philippine related articles that you find rather than posting it here. Someone will take care of it in the unassessed section of the worklist.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I did find several untagged Philippine-related articles (and gosh some where really old ones, way way back)... and I really won't even be able to post all of them here anymore, because I don't remember all of them. I lost track already...  But gee thanks for pointing that out... - DaughterofSun (talk) 04:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Does this pass notability?
Dusayan. &mdash; • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Feedback  13:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a press release disguised as a dictionary, both are unallowed in WP. Starczamora (talk) 23:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Send this to Afd.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Tamaraw article
Is there anybody here who can take (or ask someone to take) a picture of the statue of the tamaraw at Luneta? So that we can have 2 pictures inside the article. Thank you. - DaughterofSun (talk) 22:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we don't have freedom of panorama here so we can't do that.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Take a picture! Avoid copyright paranoia! At worst, we'd only have to make a fair-use rationale. --seav (talk) 04:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's the second problem, I don't have a digital camera >_<- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Bumili ka. Hehe. --Efe (talk) 06:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Assessment Department Update (April 2008)
Since the last update in March, we have tagged about 900 articles as part of the Philippine-related articles assessment drive. There are still approximately 3,400 articles left to tag. The bulk tagging of past articles is the first phase of the Assessment department's activities. Thanks to all those who have been active in tagging articles; special mention goes to Lenticel who has tagged the majority of those 900 articles since the last update. Let's continue clear up the backlog, people! :-)

By the way, please go to this section to install a user script that greatly simplifies the tagging. Combine this script with a tabbed browser and you should be able to tag 100 articles in 15 minutes.

--From your self-appointed Assessment Department Chairman, --seav (talk) 08:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Nasaan and mga drop down boxes? --Efe (talk) 08:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Try clearing the browser's cache by force-reloading the page (usually Shift-F5 on most browsers). The drop-down boxes appear just below the article's title on the article's page (not the talk page!). --seav (talk) 08:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey seav, can you remove the lists, templates, categories and portals in the unassessed section? It clutters the unassessed page and they might get bigger as more non-mainspace pages are assessed.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's leave it there for the meantime. I still have to ask around how to treat non-mainspace but encyclopedic pages (like portals and normal categories) with regards assessment. For now, let's tackle tagging untagged mainspace articles first. --seav (talk) 07:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Formatting template "Assessed", "Unassessed" and "Total" must not fall under "quality". Who knows how to format this? --Efe (talk) 05:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Assessed" and "Unassessed" should perhaps be under (or actually next to) Activity or Action (or the like). While "Total" deserves a box of its own? - DaughterofSun (talk) 05:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The statsbox format is fixed across the whole Wikipedia. I can't change it. Furthermore, the original statsbox doesn't have the importance axis so the "assessed" and "unassesses" subtotals are correct for those statsboxes. We should just treat the "unassessed" label in the box as "unqualified" (for quality assessment) and the "assessed" as "qualified". All right? :-) --seav (talk) 07:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Naisip ko nga na widely used and ganyang format. Sana naisip nila... Anyway, as you've said above, lets tag untagged Phil-related arts. The script is now working. Thanks. --Efe (talk) 11:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Heads up (articles of quality) In the class parameter, the ones listed as "list" are considered as "unassesed". We need a List-class Philippine-related articles category, as soon as possible. -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 12:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

The fancruft continues
I really do wonder why the heck those fanboys create silly sections on this? Starczamora (talk) 04:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I huffed and/or commented out the unnecessary fancruft-ish sections; I guess we need to warn some editors that any more fanboyism in her article and they'll be shot... Blake Gripling (talk) 05:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Did you know?
That we have a strain of Ebola in the Philippines? The random article button just brings up weird things.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoah, for a while I thought that was a hoax. Starczamora (talk) 06:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's hope that it doesn't mutate and try to establish on humans because it is airborne.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Text, the card not the SMS
Do anybody here remember these text cards which children tend to collect and play with? They are about 1/2 or 1/4 of the size of a Playing card (the ones used for tong its) and usually depict the currently famous anime characters. I think they disappeared all of a sudden after pirated Yugioh cards flooded the market. After that fad waned, so did these cards.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yah. When I was a child, nong hindi ko pa alam na bruhita pala ako, I used to play with that. But, I cant remember much about it. Bakit mo naman naitanong? --Efe (talk) 07:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I was thinking about making an article about it over the weekend but I don't know what is their "official name" or if an English article about them already exist.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah. I see. May mga sources ba? I dont know too. --Efe (talk) 07:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Technically, they are called "Teks" (from "Text", because each card contains a comic text). So far, I found this. Starczamora (talk) 14:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I found that too and it is a good source as it is both reliable and describes the game's mechanics. However I can't spin an article with one cite alone. We need to find its origin first.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 21:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember back in the late 70's and early 80's I used to play with "teks" cards that featured The Longest Day in comics format. Each card would have one or two frames of the story. They came free packaged in candy boxes, usually bubblegum. Also in the 80's, I recall Bazooka bubblegum had free "teks" cards with comics of their mascot, Bazooka Man, if I recall his name correctly. Later the same bubblegum brand came out with Michael Jackson trading cards, but these were larger, about the same size as today's baseball cards. The closest equivalent of these cards today I think are Trading cards. &mdash; • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Feedback  03:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: Perhaps, this can be added to Traditional Filipino games, in the meantime...? So that it will already be "documented" here. - DaughterofSun (talk) 03:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In the provinces, I remember kids playing with small versions of X-Men era trading cards using what seemed to be similar rules (I was forbidden from playing teks as a child myself, so I'm not actually sure what the rules are), so when trading cards came along I thought that was the official name for what we had, all the time, referred to as teks. Hmmm....Alternativity (talk) 04:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Manila 4 anyone?
Who is interested? --Exec8 (talk) 16:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Discussion is moved to Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 4. --seav (talk) 02:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

New DYKs
Update: The following have been DYK'd: Kindly post them on the project page. Thanks. - DaughterofSun (talk) 03:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Pablo Amorsolo
 * Fabian de la Rosa
 * Done.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Update: Two more below:
 * Bata, Bata… Pa’no Ka Ginawa?
 * Filipino Sign Language
 * - Cheers! DaughterofSun (talk) 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Keep up the good work! -- Lenticel ( talk ) 21:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Latest: plus one:
 * Ermita (novel)
 * - DaughterofSun (talk) 04:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice work. Don't you have a job or something? Hehehe. :-) --seav (talk) 05:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done, you should see her work in Tagalog Wikipedia-- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Update: one more:
 * My Brother, My Executioner
 * - DaughterofSun (talk) 17:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

show copyvios
I've been watching some pages on local shows such as Joaquin Bordado and Babangon Ako't Dudurugin Kita, and yet some anon guy keeps on posting copyvio notices with matching all caps hidden comments...under the guise of an alleged WP:PH Admin who claims Wikipedia is running out of space. Shades of that Allen Smith thing circulating on Friendster since time immemorial. can we do something to prevent such people from using WP's name to wreck the articles? --Eaglestorm (talk) 17:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Request semi-protection at WP:RFPP. -- Howard  the   Duck  15:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

José Rizal and Pandaigdigang pagkakapatiran (Global fellowship)
The translation of this article from Tagalog into English is now complete. The request/discussion about this translation/merging issue can be found at Pages needing translation into English. It just needs to be merged to the José Rizal article. Focal point is User:E Wing. Thanks. - DaughterofSun (talk) 20:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

List of countries by English-speaking population
I find this article weird. It states that there are only 27,000 native speakers of English in the Philippines and this is based on Bro. Andrew Gonzalez' oft-cited language paper which in turn cites the 1995 Census. There seems to be a confusion regarding the terms native language, first language, second language in the context of a significantly bilingual Filipino population. --seav (talk) 05:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that number is correct. I'd imagine those 27,000 might be Americans born here. -- Howard  the   Duck  07:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I consider myself a native speaker of English. I started learning English before I even started schooling. I imagine that a lot of other people that grew up in urban areas are the same. I don't know how the census questionnaire goes and I suspect that they only consider just one "local" language (e.g., Tagalog) to be the native language and didn't consider the possiblity of true bilingualism. --seav (talk) 08:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It depends on what the people answer on the census. -- Howard  the   Duck  10:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I was around when the 2000 census was taken, I was the one interviewed. With regard to the language they'd emphasize on the household language. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 12:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Philippine television ratings for 2008
Can someone take a watch at the article? User:Theprominence has been blanking sections for no reason at all. -- Howard  the   Duck  10:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * He has been blocked indefinitely. TheCoffee (talk) 19:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Malacañang Palace
Its official English name Malacañan lacks the g for the benefit of American officials who had difficulty pronouncing it. Added this, I swear I read it somewhere in grade school. Source appreciated. Uthanc (talk) 10:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The Malacanang logo everytime there is a press conference omits the letter "G". -- Howard  the   Duck  10:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the bit about the "American officials who had difficulty pronouncing it" is the one that needs sourcing, not the minus G part. --seav (talk) 03:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just removed "American officials had difficulty pronouncing -ng". Wish I could find a source... Uthanc (talk) 04:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Americans rename the Malacañang to Malacañan because Americans especially English-speaking Americans can't pronounce the ng in nasal way and English language, the language of the Americans doesn't have a digraph of ng.--Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 06:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Isn't the ng in Malacañang the velar nasal? If so, isn't this the same sound as the final sound in the English verb suffix -ing? If so, then they shouldn't have any problem pronouncing it. --seav (talk) 06:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is the velar nasal. -- Sky Harbor  15:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Malacañang Palace o Palace ng Malacañan (may+lakan+dyan). Ala lang. hehe--Filipinayzd (talk) 15:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I found a source (Ambeth Ocampo) confirming that the "g" was omitted because Americans could not pronounce it, and also other details about the etymology. I'll be integrating it into the article. Anyo Niminus (talk) 23:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Bataan pronunciation
At the top of the Bataan Death March article there's a note on pronunciation. It says Tagalog speakers say "Bata-An", and in English it's "Baaa-Tan" or "Bat-tan". Is this accurate? TheCoffee (talk) 19:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it is. Oliver North pronounced it as "Baaa-tan". -- Howard  the   Duck  05:56, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've heard it pronounced "Ba-taaan" by non-tagalog-speaking english-speakers. Click the speaker symbols here, here, and here for differing pronunciations. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 01:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Question... why is the alternative pronunciation necessary at all? Last I checked, the Filipino pronunciation of Filipino words was considered standard. I don't recall any Philippine policy that says there can be a standard foreign pronunciation of a Filipino word...Alternativity (talk) 17:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Philippine policy does not apply here. See WP:MOS. www.dictionary.com returns three hits for Bataan, so I'd say that the Common usage in English guideline there would apply. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 23:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Concerns about the Batangas provincial flag
I question the fair use tag on this flag since it's not a logo anyway. Here's my point (from Non-free content)

1. Cover art: Cover art from various items, for identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item (not for identification without critical commentary). [Does not qualify] 2. Team and corporate logos: For identification. [Does not qualify] 3. Stamps and currency: For identification of the stamp or currency, not its subject. [Does not qualify] 4. Other promotional material: Posters, programs, billboards, ads. For critical commentary. [Does not qualify] 5. Film and television screen shots: For critical commentary and discussion of the cinema and television. [Does not qualify] 6. Screenshots from software products: For critical commentary. [Does not qualify] 7. Paintings and other works of visual art: For critical commentary, including images illustrative of a particular technique or school. [Does not qualify] 8. Images with iconic status or historical importance: As subjects of commentary. [Could be, but disputed]

Please do something about this. -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 13:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There's a specific fair-use tag for flags, if I remember correctly. If not, use a blanket fair use template.  -- Sky Harbor  00:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Gilbert Remulla
When I first visited the page a year ago, it was a real mess; calling for a massive revision per NPOV and style guidelines. Me and my homies did the necessary work - rephrasing, getting rid of fancruft and the essential wiki style guidelines. OK, I've sent him a message via Friendster; he replied to me and told me that he might check out his article asap...

Any thoughts on this? God Bless and have a nice day... Blake Gripling (talk) 08:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Open Education Online Forum
There's going to be an interesting forum tomorrow regarding open knowledge and open education here in the Philippines. Entitled Philippine Open Education Forum: Is the Philippines Ready and Where Are We?, it's going to be held at the Arellano University School of Law in Pasay City, 8:30am to 5pm. Admission is free. Ms. Kristine Mandigma of Filipiniana.net and Wikipilipinas.org will be talking about "E-turo.org: Opening Education in the Philippines". You can check out other details here--Bloodsplotches (talk) 02:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This would not be good for Philippine-language wikis, and would mean more traffic going to Wikipilipinas. --   Felipe   Aira  04:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Population of the Philippines
RP population = 88.57M --Filipinayzd (talk) 15:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Official release. Final results of the latest Census of Population (POPCEN 2007) conducted by the National Statistics Office (NSO) placed the Philippine population at 88,574,614 persons as of August 1, 2007. Said results down to barangay level were made official with the signing by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo of Proclamation No. 1489 on April 16, 2008. --Exec8 (talk) 20:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It took them a while to process the results. Finally! Magalhães (talk) 20:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Now start changing those LGU pages. --Exec8 (talk) 21:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Wait! Wait! Wait! Wait! Let's try to go about this systematically. We need to have a worklist and we should not ditch the 2000 census (it's valuable info for historical purposes). Let's create a Tambayan task force for this. --seav (talk) 22:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Seav, I am now already changed the population of Cebu based on the latest data from NSO. municipality by municipality and city by city in Cebu province alone.--Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 08:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't we have something like the following paragraph so that the 2000 Census info is not deleted and provides more information?
 * "Based on the August 2007 census, Mandaue City has a total population of 318,575 people. This figure is up by 58,847 from 259,728 persons recorded in the May 2000 census, giving an annual growth rate of 2.96% 2.86% during the 7-year period--significantly higher than the national average of 2.04%. If this growth rate were maintained, Mandaue would double its population in 24 years."
 * Now that's encyclopedic information. We can couple that with Scorpion prinz' table below to provide a very nice demographics section in the articles. --seav (talk) 10:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a mistake in this example. The growth rate should be 2.86% and not 2,96%. (318,575/259,728 ^(1/7.25)). Magalhães (talk) 11:02, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, you're right. I discounted the fact that the census reference dates are on different months. I double-checked with the NSO and they use the same 7.25 year divisor to compute 2.04% growth. --seav (talk) 11:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you know that combining the population of Metro Manila, Laguna, Rizal, Cavite and Bulacan or Mega Manila is 21,994,694 beating the population of Australia of 21,660,000? --Exec8 (talk) 02:51, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Where's Rizal's population breakdown? It's not in the CALABARZON report.--Scorpion prinz (Talk 02:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Help me translating!
If I was wrong on translating to Bikol any of the text on the right, please correct it. Also, if anyone are interested on expanding the Bikol babel templates, you are welcome. Alexius08 is welcome to talk about his contributions. 06:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ask Filipinayzd to help you as he is the only native Bikol speaker active on the English Wikipedia. Try asking on the Bikol Wikipedia too, just in case.  -- Sky Harbor  19:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Kennethjaensss
Do we have history buffs here to verify the articles that are created by this user? I can't seem to verify their existence using reliable online sources. I think that these are hoaxes but I'm not too sure to Afd them. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in Philippine history can help out here.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think they are hoaxes. All of them can be also found at Tagalog, unless those are hoaxes too. --   Felipe   Aira  13:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

And also this might help: http://www.answers.com/topic/moro-rebellion. --  Felipe   Aira  13:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Problem is, I can't find a mention in Google Books and Google Scholar. I pretty sure that they have scanned old Philippine books as I often use those for citing sources. Low hits on Google itself further cements my suspicion.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Answers.com is a wiki-mirror so it is unrealiable.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If that's true that would also mean deletion of their Tagalog counterparts. --   Felipe   Aira  13:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * How about this? http://www.bakbakan.com/swishk/swk3-19.html --   Felipe   Aira  13:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm that's a good cite. Incorporate to the article if you have the energy, I'm going to sleep now.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually me too, I'm just finishing a page their at Wikibooks. --   Felipe   Aira  13:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Good thing you brought that up. I have been slowly cleaning up and verifying all the articles included in the Battles of the Philippine-American War list. I can for certain say that there is no such battle as the Battle of San Fabian; Wheaton simply landed in San Fabian - the major engagement would happen when they proceeded to San Jacinto. I therefore redirected accordingly. I have verified the Bud Dajo battles; they did happen (most of the material comes from bakbakan.com and their electronic version of the book, Jungle Patrol). I'll continue checking those articles out. &mdash; • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Feedback  02:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Please list the unverifiable articles here after you gone through all of them so we can list them for Afd.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Or simply to save time, just redirect the pages to battles related to them. PS:Can you please create a list of the articles redirected and deleted for Tagalog also has those articles and may need to have those actions too. --   Felipe   Aira  04:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Noted. Will do so as soon as everything is on the up-and-up. =) &mdash; • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Feedback  12:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, here's the skinny on these suspicious articles. Whoever created them definitely read this online article: 'Like a mad tiger': fighting Islamic warriors in the Philippines 100 years ago: exactly a century ago, America began a war against one of its fiercest foes—the Moros of the southern Philippines - United States troops battle against Islamic Moros from 1902 to 1913. Every obscure campaign and skirmish is mentioned in passing here. What Kennethjaensss did was to create a new article every time he saw the word "battle". There are very few online references to the Battle of the Malalag River and the Battle of Siranaya, but they seem to be valid encounters (but of course the Moros were not led by Gregorio del Pilar, for pete's sake... and Aguinaldo had a navy? lolz!) So is the Battle of Taraca; I plugged a few refs in that article. The Bud Dajo and Bud Bagsak battles are valid too. The Hassan Uprising has many Google hits, but not much detail. The only article I would vote to nominate for Afd is Wood's March Around Lake Lanao; its not a formal campaign, and it's even enclosed in quotes in that article link given above, indicating it's just the author's artistic license coming into play and not a named campaign. &mdash; • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Feedback  13:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I stubified Siranaya and Malalag River and will afd Wood's march.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Gangs in the Philippines
I have plans to rename the article Filipino Gangs as the article focus's on gangs not from the Philippines, but any gang of Filipino ethnicity. Any objections, please reply. I intend to do it soon, but i want your opinions.

Their is a possibility of splitting the article into 2 separate articles. Filipino-American Gangs and also maintain Gangs in the Philippines. This is because of the large amount if Fil-Am gangs in the U.S, i feel it deserves a separate article. But this could just be a waste, could simply "Filipino Gangs" be better? any ideas? please reply. The article is bland and needs a cleanup, so that is also intended after the rename. thanks Lovebus 13:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd go for "Filipino gangs", seems a proper blanket term. &mdash; • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Feedback  13:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Comunidad Autonoma de San Esteban
I'm pretty sure the term autonomous communities doesn't exist in the Philippines. -- Howard  the   Duck  10:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The article seems like a hoax, or the expression of wishful thinkers. --Anyo Niminus (talk) 10:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * prod it. --seav (talk) 11:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It has been proposed for deletion. &mdash; • Kurt Guirnela •  ‡ Feedback  03:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Author deleted the first prod tag, though it was restored by Kurt. No Google hits for the Comunidad, but it appears that San Esteban is a barangay in Nabua, Camarines Sur. Although I understand that individual barangays have no inherent notability, so conversion is not a viable option. Anyway, I posted my findings on the entry's talk page. --Anyo Niminus (talk) 04:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Cebuano interwiki
Cebuano speakers call their language Sinugbuanon instead of Cebuano right? I just noticed that the interwiki for Cebuano displays Cebuano instead of the native name of the language which shoul be Sinugbuanon. I think the interwikis at the left should label ceb link as Sinugbuanon since it's the native name, just as es links displays as Espanol at the interwiki sidebar, right? --  Felipe   Aira  11:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Cebuano speakers most commonly call their language Cebuano. I think "Sinugboanon" is also correct but archaic, and if "Sinugboanon" was used in it's place many native Cebuano speakers might not as easily recognize it. I may be wrong about this though. TheCoffee (talk) 17:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Since you're from Negros Oriental and you work in Cebu, we could take your work for it. Hehehe. --seav (talk) 02:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Then the mutilingual portal in the www.wikipedia.org should display Cebuano instead of Sinugbuanon (the one being displayed right now) in the more than 10,000 articles. --   Felipe   Aira  04:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Virtual meeting
For comments regarding the Tambayan virtual meeting.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * From what is said in the original discussion, I think there should be no number (Manila 4) since, if ever that it gets to become routine, next thing we would know is that we got something like Meetup 100 or something like that. What we should be discussing here in order to get that working are:
 * Software - YM or WLM or something else?
 * Video or text (chat) - Would the virtual meetups be video conferences or a simple text chat? Although video would mean headaches for people with slow connexions.
 * Time/schedule - This should be a time when most people would most likely be online, should not be during the day, the time when people would most likely be at work or at school, and most preferably a Saturday or a Sunday.
 * Do you have any opinions about these people? --   Felipe   Aira  11:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

How are we to communicate to each other? Since we would most likely be putting our on ym adresses at one Wikipedia: page to know who can belong to the conference. That page if created could be a tool for spamming. We need an advice from someone who has some experience about this. --  Felipe   Aira  14:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Software - YM is good as it is easy to download, software friendly and is available on computer shops
 * 2) Video or Text - Text, not all cafes or computer owners have web cams
 * 3) Time - Weekend Afternoon or between 6 to 9 pm. Saturday is preferable.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 14:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Last time we used "e-mail this user" to distribute cellphones, email and Real life names secretly. By the way, I've changed my cellphone number.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 14:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * how about a mailer yahoogroup? Or some other site for which a password can be required before you can have access to information? Alternativity (talk) 17:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I propose the first virtual meeting to be conducted via YM on May 03, 2008 at 20:00 Philippine Time. Kindly visit http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/philwiki/ for details. --Exec8 (talk) 22:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Has this been done by other notice boards or chapters, or are we the very first? --  Felipe   Aira  02:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we are the first. -- Sky Harbor  12:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Since we have a lot of time to prepare, it's like a week from now. I think we should be preparing a list now of whom to expect, so as those who are interested in coming can also add their adresses to their contacts list. And yet we still don't have a secure way to share our own e-mail adresses, without having been susceptible to spammers. --  Felipe   Aira  13:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Now how can we solve that, I think I've found the solution. Go create a yahoo address, if you don't got one. And join the PhilWiki (link above); your acount needs approval though. Check out the files list (that's in the left sidebar), and go edit the file created by me. List your ym address there; don't worry I'ved put a simple instruction at the file. And voila! And oh, don't worry, nobody can read that file except for PhilWiki members, which are Wikipedia Tambays. I certainly hope that that helps! --   Felipe   Aira  13:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you should have made a database directory instead so that we don't have to constantly upload the text directory. -- Sky Harbor  00:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Objectives and Agenda
The virtual meetup will happen on May 3, 2008 at 8:00 PM Philippine Time. This will accomodate our regional partners like in Cebu and Northern Luzon and overseas like in Australia and the United States. Our objective is to get a bigger audience and allow some participants who are either in a busy schedule or wish to keep their identity safe. One of the things we would like to discuss are: So prepare your Yahoo Messenger. I am looking forward to get a live interaction with you and to push for better understanding and cooperation. --Exec8 (talk) 13:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Status of the organization
 * Whether to push forward as a formal Philippine organization or status quo
 * LGU project
 * Population (barangay breakdown, growth) through census.gov.ph
 * GPS location
 * Seal (flags less priority)
 * Free image of a landmark
 * Local chief executive through lcp.org.ph, lmp.org.ph, lpp.gov.ph
 * Size (land)
 * Regional and provincial maps with links
 * Rules on Philippine-related images (pictures, seals and logos) and the use of the fair-use tag.
 * Philippine Language Project (Wiktionary.org)
 * Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilocano, Bicol
 * Philippine Book Project (wikibooks.org)
 * Initial target to OFWs and high school students
 * Philippine Law Project (wikisource.org)
 * Laws, implementing rules and regulations, executive orders and ordinances
 * Philippine Article Assessment Project
 * Notability, Stub, Class A,B articles, featured articles


 * Try to limit the topics (and these are too many) to those that would benefit the most with a real-time synchronous talk instead of asynchronously on Wikipedia talk pages. Also, issues of content within particular Wikipedias are best left in Wikispace. Can I suggest IRC instead of Yahoo! Messenger? :-) --seav (talk) 05:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with IRC, but I do not know if everyone knows how to use it. -- Sky Harbor  15:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well these are just suggested topics to discuss. For me, the most likely topics that will push through are the LGU project and organizational structure issues. I personally like to go with the YM especially its been 5-6 years since I last use the IRC. --Exec8 (talk) 22:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I, for one, don't quite know the ins and outs of IRC, so unless it has some unusually redeeming feature, I'd probably vote (although "voting is evil." hehe) for YM. :-D Alternativity (talk) 19:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Informing the Philippine-language projects
I wonder who will take the cudgels of informing all the Philippine-language projects about the virtual meetup. Since it is virtual, it should be that we will get more than 6-8 people (the current average size of a physical meetup) involved. -- Sky Harbor 21:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll inform Tagalog, and try also Cebuano with the little knowledge I know about that language. --   Felipe   Aira  03:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it would be better if it's in sitenotice. --   Felipe   Aira  03:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Renaldo Lapuz/Reynaldo Lapuz
Ready or nat, something should be done about these, at least the name. I've looked and there seem to be no reliable or acceptable sources that say his real name is "Reynaldo" except blogs and his official(?) site. I guess it is, though we tend to use unconventional spellings/combinations (Jhun, Jennylyn). Does coverage by local media (Inquirer, GMA) make him notable enough for inclusion? Uthanc (talk) 20:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm.... the PDI cite in the article calls him Renaldo. The GMA cite calls him Reynaldo. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 00:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Standstill discussions at Tagalog
Hey Tambayan people, the Tagalog Wikipedia really needs your comments on stadstill discussions back there that has not yet closed for many months now. --  Felipe   Aira  11:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Four Two RfA's. (tl:Wikipedia:Nominasyon para sa Tagapangasiwa ng Wikipedia Tagalog)
 * 2) Commons Only policy, a proposal to prohibit free images from being uploaded at Wikipedia. Currently 4 in support, one in opposition. (tl:Wikipedia:Kapihan)
 * 3) Redesign of the tl:Unang Pahina. Currently 5 in support, none in direct opposition Redesign page: tl:Unang Pahina/temp. Discussion: tl:Wikipedia:Kapihan.
 * 4) Standardisation of translations. (tl:Wikipedia:Kapihan)

Filipino-Americans and WPPhilippines
Should (or may) Fil-Americans be included in the scope of WikiProject: Tambayan Philippines? I noticed that Fil-Am singer Jasmine Trias is, while actor Rob Schneider, NFL quarterback Roman Gabriel or Miami Heat head coach Erik Spoelstra are not. --Anyo Niminus (talk) 00:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I beleive we should. They are still "one of us".-- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed they should! I concur, sirs. Alternativity (talk) 09:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * But most of them are of generally lower importance (with respect to Assessment) than pure Filipinos. If their Filipino roots are simply incidental to their being or if their ancestry is less than 1/2 then I don't think we need to really tag them. I guess Enrique Iglesias and his siblings need to be tagged? :-) --seav (talk) 09:58, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

New Articles of Incorporation
Alright...per the now-concluded meetup, the ALL-NEW, SEC-COMPLIANT Articles of Incorporation of Wikimedia Philippines is now available. You may preview the document here. A Tagalog translation is also available, and hopefully others can translate it into the other Philippine languages. -- Sky Harbor 20:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do we need to re-approve it? --Jojit (talk) 01:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it needs to be re-approved. It is a completely different document from the previous AoI.  -- Sky Harbor  02:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Cebu Meet-up and Participation in the Open Source Summit
I moved the discussion to Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Cebu 1. --Jojit (talk) 12:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Here's a surprise!
Here's a surprise I've prepared for everyone here in the Tambayan. I've requested Kasuga if a Wikipe-tan in baro't saya can be made. The result is at the left. I never told you about this because I've intended this request as a surprise for everyone here. So I know you don't expect this. Thank Kasuga for this image. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 08:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we put this on the main Tambay page?- Lenticel ( talk ) 08:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure! Why not? It is an honor. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 08:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice huh. --Efe (talk) 08:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How about the Tambay Roster page section. I will not do it myself since I might mess it up. Better call someone who works with templates.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 08:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

When it comes to the main page, it's your call. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 08:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've asked ViperSnake151 to help affix Wikipetan to the tambay roster.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like he placed the image at the main header than the Tambay roster. That's OK because I think it's better at the main header as a welcome mat. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 11:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Final Call : Virtual meetup
See Yah! --Exec8 (talk) 21:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What : First Philippine Wikipedia Virtual Meetup
 * Scope : Nationwide with some users from overseas
 * Platform: Yahoo Messenger
 * Who : All Philippine Wiki enthusiasts
 * How to get into conference : One of the users from PhilWiki Yahoo group (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/philwiki/) will invite you to the conference. Or you can click "Email this user" on my Exec8 account and state your Yahoo ID.
 * Time : Should be YM online around 19:55 (7:55 PM) Philippine Standard Time 05/03/2008 until 1:00 AM Phil Standard Time 05/04/2008
 * Topics : Suggested topics stated above.
 * Uh... Exec8 your E-mail this user feature is disabled.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 22:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone still has to notify the other Philippine Wikimedia projects. So far, only the Tagalog projects and the Cebuano Wikipedia have been notified.  -- Sky Harbor  23:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: All Wikimedia projects have been informed of the meetup. -- Sky Harbor  16:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Dang, Im scheduled to see my dentist tomorrow =/ †B lo o d p ac k†  01:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're going to see your dentist at night? (Or are you in a different time zone?) --seav (talk) 03:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

On a side note, I've always found dates confusing, because I usually use YYYYMMDD to help me keep my files' dates more organized (I use notepad a lot). The result is that I usually have trouble distinguishing an MMDDYYYY from a DDMMYYYY. Is there some international standard date format custom that I should know about that will relieve my confusion? To make this more "on topic"... may I also suggest using the Month's given name rather than it's number whenever we announce meetings? Hehe. It would be really helpful, I think, for those of us who are dating system confused. Alternativity (talk) 20:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Day-month is more common in Europe while month-day is more common in the United States. In the Philippines, both are quite commonplace, although month-day is more prevalent in English usage (in Filipino usage, the preferred format is supposed to be day-month, but many people commonly use month-day).  -- Sky Harbor  00:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * YYYYMMDD is actually an ISO standard format. I personally use YYYY-MM-DD (also part of that ISO standard) when I want a compact date format. --seav (talk) 02:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

People it's already 20:00 (that's 8:00). Let's get it started. --  Felipe   Aira  11:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Dugaya ui. Muoli na lang ko ani sa balay ron wala pa makastart. Mga pinoy gyud. =) --Efe (talk) 11:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm already online. But three Wikipedians are on "I'm on SMS" status in YM. --seav (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Kaawaan natin sila. Hope they can get online.  I did not wake up super-early for this.  -- Sky Harbor  12:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Result
I would like to thank the participants in the said YM chat conference. There were many wikipedians joined that forum and it was beyond my expectation. The participant list and the actual result a summary of the said discussion will be posted later by SkyHarbor. It has been agreed upon that the YM chat will continue every other Saturday at 8:00 PM (20:00) Philippine Time/ 12:00 UTC(GMT). Therefore the 2nd conference will be done on May 17, 2008. Physical meetups will be suspended until further notice or until a consensus was made in this forum or on the YM conference. Cebu will be an exception. The first meetup will be discussed in the meetup page and/or the Cebuano wiki discussion page. --Exec8 (talk) 07:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to leave so abruptly. Lost my connection. Suggestion on Cebu: June 23-24 is Cebu Open Source Summit... http://www.cedfit.org/announcement.php?announcement_id=32 --Nino Gonzales (talk) 09:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think there's a chance we could be part of the presentors or booths or something similar... what do you think? I know the organizers... We could present a formal letter... something which shows that we have some significance... like the no of Philippine related articles, number of wiki projects started, etc...--Nino Gonzales (talk) 09:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute...I said I wouldn't post the transcripts. I wasn't here for the entire duration!  -- Sky Harbor  14:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Er... I do recall Sky saying that. I don't think we agreed on this. Who WAS there for the whole duration, anyway? Alternativity (talk) 09:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think none of us has the complete transcripts since I just found out that the default configuration of the Yahoo! Messenger is to be recording the chats/messages however it would also be deleting them after one has signed out. Don't worry I'll record the transcripts next time since I changed the settings of my YM now. --   Felipe   Aira  09:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Result of the First PhilWiki Chat
Posting for everybody's convenience. --Exec8 (talk) 21:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia Philippines - removed the one million peso provision in the Articles of Incorporation.
 * CORRECTION: This provision was changed (per discussion of the Corporation Code) so that whatever money we raise shall be the authorized capital of WMPH until amended. -- Sky Harbor  01:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Tagalog Wikipedia front page changed to Felipe Aira and AnakngAraw's design.
 * LGU project will be revived to focus initially on Population (Data, Growth and Density)
 * No clear agreement on rules on image uploads (especially in Tagalog Wikipedia).
 * Whether Tagalog should follow standards set up by the KWF; no consensus. I added this one since it is clear that we spent some time, a significant portion of time, just talking about this Filipino-Pilipino-Tagalog never-ending debate. --   Felipe   Aira  04:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Other suggested topics were not discussed.
 * YM chat will continue on a regular basis every other Saturday at 8:00 PM (20:00) Philippine Time/ 12:00 UTC(GMT). Therefore the 2nd conference will be done on May 17, 2008.
 * Manila Physical meetups will be suspended until further notice or until a consensus was made in this forum or on the YM conference.

Some more points:


 * Usage of Wikimedia material in other websites, e.g., PNP (see )
 * A lawyer or law student is highly appreciated in the incorporation process of Wikimedia Philippines, not to give legal advice but to provide input from a legal perspective.

Attendees, in rough order of appearance:


 * 1) Sky_Harbor (en, tl)
 * 2) Felipe Aira (en, tl)
 * 3) Bentong Isles (ceb)
 * 4) Jordz (ceb)
 * 5) seav (en)
 * 6) Efe (en)
 * 7) Exec8 (en, tl)
 * 8) Jojit fb (en, tl)
 * 9) TheCoffee (en)
 * 10) Bluemask (en, tl)
 * 11) Alternativity (en)
 * 12) Emir_214 (tl)
 * 13) Nino Gonzales (en)
 * 14) Lenticel (en, tl)
 * 15) Filipinayzd (en, bcl)

Still no ladies. :-) --seav (talk) 07:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There was someone named mae something, right? --Nino Gonzales (talk) 07:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought Jojit was a girl. --Efe (talk) 08:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And also Filipinayzd. And Lenticel (before. haha.) --Efe (talk) 08:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I can't invent a good neutral or masculine nickname out of it. Len, Lenti or cel = girly, Lent = mahal na araw.--09:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The person with the "mae" in his username is Efe. MAE is his initials. --seav (talk) 08:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wooh! Thanks kuya for clarifying. I really thought that they're referring to me. Yeah guys. MAE stands for Mark Anthony Efe. To those who do not know behind my username here in WP yet, especially to Lenticel, Efe is my surname. --Efe (talk) 09:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "Jojit" is a masculine name, maybe your thinking of "Jojie"? Exec8 had also been mistakenly identified as a female before, I think by Lenticel. --Jojit (talk) 11:46, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Its girlish, for me. --Efe (talk) 03:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I did :)-- Lenticel ( talk ) 22:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. --Exec8 (talk) 21:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to have an infobox on PhilWiki Chat and LGU Project? --Exec8 (talk) 21:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize for my non-appearance, i was on vacation. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 01:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Infobox as in when we actually document the conferences, the documentation page of it will have an infobox. If yes, it can be done. I'll even help in the process. Just give me the go signal. --   Felipe   Aira  10:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Infobox as in just like the one on the upper right "Previous" and "Next" for PhilWiki Chat. --Exec8 (talk) 12:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Region numbering
Apparently, Metro Manila, the CAR and the ARMM are regions that are numbered by the DILG, and Caraga is not in its proper numbering place:


 * Metro Manila: Region XIII
 * CAR: Region XIV
 * ARMM: Region XV
 * Caraga: Region XVI

Should we proceed with re-numbering the regions? -- Sky Harbor 20:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Not yet (I think). It's too confusing, since most of the people are already confused with the regional numbering of certain Mindanao regions. Let's wait and see (for now). -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 00:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * We're following the National Statistical Coordination Board's Philippine Standard Geographic Code. Caraga is Region XIII and NCR, ARMM, and CAR have no numbers. --seav (talk) 01:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I find it odd that the DILG would have their own numbering system, the NSCB has their own system, and perhaps there are also other region numbering systems. Which one is considered more canonical?  -- Sky Harbor  12:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * NSCB has the authority in terms of statistical standards that all government agencies should follow, therefore PSGC is official and more canonical. --Jojit (talk) 09:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Dangnabbit, this government is a mess. Can't even have consistent nomenclature. !($&#(&$!) Sorry, I know it's not very productive, but I'm turning red with frustration...Alternativity (talk) 18:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Benjamin "Kokoy" Romualdez
Does anyone one were I can find biographical data of Benjamin "Kokoy" Romualdez, the brother of Imelda Marcos? He was an influential man during the Marcos period, but I can't seem to find simple things like date and place of birth. I found that he was the governor of Leyte and ambassador to the US, Saudi-Arabia and China, but no information on when this exactly was. I did however find a lot of information about court cases against him for acquiring wealth during the Marcos period. Magalhães (talk) 07:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * September, 24 1936 according to this site no idea if this is reliable though.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I also found that site, but I don't think it is correct, because have read in the Book "Imelda Marcos, The steelbutterfly of the Philippines", that their mother died shortly after having here sixth child in 1937 or 1938, and it also stated that Benjamin was the second child after Imelda. This would be biological impossible ;) Magalhães (talk) 11:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Lance...
Read this. =) --Efe (talk) 07:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I already reported him. It seems as though he's trying to turn WP into his own blog, judging from the journal-like edits... Blake Gripling (talk) 07:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Its like he do not know what Wiki is. Forgiven... Haha. Nice story, erotic. ;) --Efe (talk) 08:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct. A noob... Blake Gripling (talk) 08:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Ginoo... just a warning guys, before you take a look at this... it's a (tagalog) gay boy's unabashed journal... --Nino Gonzales (talk) 08:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * yah. He's tagalog. Binasa ko nga eh. Maganda. Haha. --Efe (talk) 08:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It is, but of course, as Wikipedians, we treat such stuff as unencyclopedic - in other words, vandalism... That journal of his should be posted elsewhere, not here... Blake Gripling (talk) 08:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyway, the article is currently notable, edited mostly by fans, and that edit was reverted outrighly. No worries. And besides, its an IP. --Efe (talk) 09:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The content is not even that appropriate for most blogs (LJ would disapprove of this for sure, Blogger has the "report inappropriate content" feature). This would be better on an i.ph blog. -- Sky Harbor 16:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Discussion of finances
We need to discuss the following in preparation for the incorporation of WMPH:


 * Which bank to open with
 * How much money we need
 * Other business

The pertinent discussion is here. -- Sky Harbor 20:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I prefer BDO over Landbank. Putting stuff on a gov't bank isn't a very good idea.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 14:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd like BDO because they are open on weekends, but Landbank has a lower minimum balance requirement than the other banks. That's with consideration that it is the fourth-largest bank in the Philippines.  Then again, I maintain my accounts with BDO.  -- Sky Harbor  15:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think we'd have a problem with a GOCC, just as long as we can easily open a corporate checking account. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 18:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I wish. Haha.  Anyway, for everyone, here's a comparison of some of the banks that we can open with (and their minimum balance requirements, of course):
 * Landbank: P20,000 (lowest)
 * Banco de Oro: P25,000 (open on weekends)
 * Allied Bank: P25,000
 * Security Bank: P25,000
 * Metrobank: P35,000
 * UCPB: P40,000
 * RCBC: P50,000 (highest)
 * BPI: P50,000 (highest)
 * Also, how will we accept donations? And by the way, I hope your pledges are still valid.  -- Sky Harbor  16:30, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My pledge still stands.. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 17:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like I might make a cash pledge. I've been thinking around the line of P3000, but I'm not sure yet.  Maybe when my finances are in order.  -- Sky Harbor  01:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

New Maguindanao towns
Four new municipalities are to be established/have been established in Maguindanao: Datu Salibo, Shariff Tibungog, Datu Hofer and Adam. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 18:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Eastwood City Population
Does anyone have statistics on the population of Eastwood City?

1) What is the composition (i.e. residents, employees, corporate, tourists, young, old)? 2) What is the projected population at completion?

Or can anyone point me to the right direction?

Thanks.

Curilan (talk) 14:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * My best bet is you either ask Megaworld or you check which barangays make up Eastwood City, then combine their populations together. Or ask QC City Hall.  -- Sky Harbor  15:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Eastwood City is within Barangay Bagumbayan, Quezon City. It's not a political unit (referring to Eastwood City), hence it will be difficult to estimate its population. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 01:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Then I stand by my point: ask Megaworld. -- Sky Harbor  02:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

WMPH: Moving forward (a pseudo-manifesto)
If campaigning isn't enough to stoke interest in Wikimedia Philippines, a pseudo-manifesto should do it. A copy is available here. Likewise, I will provide a Tagalog translation, and people are free to translate it into other Philippine languages. -- Sky Harbor 20:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: Tagalog translation available here. -- Sky Harbor  21:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I just personally invited all the participants through this template. I hope that would be enough information campaign to get WMPH moving.  We should start voting in a day or two. --Jojit (talk) 04:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Judicial Executive Legislative Advisory and Consultative Council (JELAC)
Please expand and contribute to this article I just created. --Florentino floro (talk) 11:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

2nd PhilWiki Virtual Meeting

 * What: 2nd PhiliWiki YM Chat/Conference
 * Date: May 17, 2007 (Saturday)
 * Time: 12:00 UTC/GMT (8:00 PM Philippine Time, 8:00 AM Eastern US Time) until 17:00 UTC/GMT (1:00 AM Philippine Time, 1:00 PM Eastern US Time)
 * Platform: Yahoo Messenger (web messenger and Windows Live wont work)
 * Suggested Topics:
 * Wikimedia Philippines (WMPH)
 * Articles of Incorporation
 * Fund
 * Incorporators
 * Founding Members
 * Tagalog Wikipedia and Philippine-related article (English Wikipedia) Improvement Drive
 * LGU Project
 * Population
 * Fair Use Images in Philippine Articles
 * 1st Cebu Wikipedia Meet-up (?)
 * For more information visit : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/philwiki/

See you there! --Exec8 (talk) 14:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Meesa thinking me gonna be late, and not able to stay. But meesa try to come. Alternativity (talk) 15:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC) (In a very starwars mood tonight.)
 * I'll try to make it. I think I can.  -- Sky Harbor  15:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try to attend as well. I hope they already fixed the computer in our house. (I use a different computer during the weekends)-- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:21, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try to attend as well. I thought that the meetup was 2 fridays ago (I added Kevin Ray to my YM list 2 weeks ago). Bad news is that the computer use at home is limited due to the electricity mess. I'll try to be part of it. iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 01:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for missing out on the first one, I was with my girlfriend at the time :( I'll definitely be available this time around, as it'll be very unlikely that the two of us would be together this Saturday. Will also try to post some of my inputs on the affected pages as soon as I can before the meeting. --- Tito Pao (talk) 03:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I hope we could discuss the Cebu Wikipedia meet-up as well... please see the latest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/Cebu_1 --Nino Gonzales (talk) 04:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

UP Sigma Rho
Can an admin semi-protect this? An anon insists on removing validly cited information, even saying that the Philippine Daily Inquirer is a tabloid. -- Howard  the   Duck  09:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's the same anon, I think it is better to block him rather than protect the page.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Then an admin should do his thing. -- Howard  the   Duck  09:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems that the user really likes you Howard, should we file for checkuser or post on WP:ANI?-- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Checkuser is only used in extreme cases and only for sockpuppet cases with clear evidences. Go to ANI if the abuse continues. --seav (talk) 04:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's see if he'll make more disruptive edits so we could make a case.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

UPDATE: The article is semi-protected for 1 week so the problem is solved for now.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer a full-protect since he already has a username. -- Howard  the   Duck  09:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How about reporting his next disruptive activity at WP:AIV? He'll get blocked from editing for sure. &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  02:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay will do, nice siggy Kurt.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's called LЭЭn, a combination of LЭЭt and Latin. lolz! =) &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  04:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Pupung
I'm currently in the process of creating an article for the comic strip Pupung. The first draft is in my sandbox right now. While I have all nine Pupung compilations and three "Lolo Dom" comics, I can also use some help, especially on its style of humor. It's not done yet as I'll put the list of characters, etc. on it. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hermogenes Esperon
Anyone interested in helping out this article? &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  03:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

UPLB
Hi, i need some help with the UPLB page. Specifically, i need online references that show that the following journals have been accredited by thomson scientific - The Philippine Entomologist (Department of Entomology, College of Agriculture), Philippine Journal of Crop Science (UPLB-Crop Science Society of the Philippines), Asia Life Sciences (Institute of Biological Sciences, College of Arts and Sciences) and Philippine Journal of Veterinary Medicine (College of Veterinary Medicine). I have a credible source, but so far we havent found any online references yet. Joe_fob
 * Your credible source may be enough. Are those hard copies of the journals themselves? &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  02:07, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Result of the 2nd PhilWiki Chat
Date: May 17, 2008 Time: 8:00 PM to 12:25 AM of May 18 (12:00 - 16:25 UTC May 17, 2008) Participants
 * 1) Sky_Harbor (en, tl)
 * 2) Exec8 (en, tl)
 * 3) Felipe Aira (en, tl)
 * 4) Jojit fb (en, tl)
 * 5) Nino Gonzales (en, ceb)
 * 6) Lenticel (en, tl)
 * 7) Emperork (en)
 * 8) Titopao (en)
 * 9) seav (en)

Discussion
 * Cebu Meetup
 * Things are being ironed out for the Philippine Wikimedia Community in Cebu to organize a meetup during the sidelines of the first Philippine Open Source Summit on June 23 and June 24, 2008 at the Cebu International Convention Center (CICC) in Mandaue City. Wikipedians in the Central Visayas area are encouraged to participate. It will be lead by Nino Gonzales. For more information visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/Cebu_1.
 * Wikimedia Philippines
 * Articles of Incorporation is already posted in this meta site. For additional inputs visit this link.
 * Bank account - still deciding to what to choose. Type of account: Interest-bearing Current Account
 * Landbank: based on this site. It has an advantage as does not require a certificate from the SEC and they accept groups using the term "CORPORATION IN THE PROCESS OF INCORPORATION", as well as it has a more spread-out branch network that can cater to potential members in more outlying provincial areas (in some areas, Landbank is the only major bank). However, it has a smaller branch network (300+ branches), is subject to the same schedule as a regular bank (Monday-Friday, 9:00 am-3:00 pm PST) and, as we all know, it's a GOCC.
 * Banco de Oro has an advantage in terms of having a larger branch network (695 and counting), availability (weekends and after work hours) and deposit safety (can deposit money in SM malls). However, it does not have branches outside major cities in areas outside Metro Manila, and we will need to verify if this bank offers the same term "corporation in the process of incorporation". If not, SEC registration needs to be accomplished first.
 * Need to raise amount to deposit. As discussed in the AoI forum, If Landbank is selected P20,000 needs to be deposited. If its Banco de Oro, its P25,000.
 * Corporate Name.
 * Organization Name Wikimedia Philippines has been reserved by this community in the Philippine Securities and Exchange Commission. For details visit philwiki at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/philwiki/
 * Roadmap of creating an organization is shown on this site. But we will stop at step 6 and go for DSWD registration as step 7 and BIR taxpayer registration for step 8.
 * The principal office of WMPH will be based in the City of Manila.


 * Public Domain and Fair Use Issue
 * It has been found that uploading images from Philippine government websites, though its a work of the government which is public domain, can be questioned due to lack of the "Terms of Use" policy link. To add more confusion an overwhelming majority of all National government and LGU websites use a tag "Copyright 2008" or "All Rights Reserved 2008". It is highly recommended for websites to include this website link to avoid plagiarism by some outlets like book publishers, print, TV media companies. If they wish to open the site for public domain, they should drop the "Copyright" or "All Rights Reserved" tag and display "Public Domain" and will be free-for-all use. But if they wish to add restrictions over public domain, they should provide a "Terms of Use" link. A detailed discussion on U.S. public domain is posted on http://www.cendi.gov/publications/04-4website_policy.html
 * Due to an absence of an executive order or a law that will define the "Terms of Use" policy, this community will never use the "Philippine Public Domain" tag for images, documents, and multimedia sourced from government websites and fair use tag plus a fair use rationale and source link will be placed on the summary line. "Philippine Public Domain" will only be applicable for independent website who digitized any philippine publication printed before 1958.
 * Efforts are underway to look for ways to lobby lawmakers and/or government executives to look into the public domain provision in the Intellectual Property Code of the Philippines.


 * LGU Project
 * No discussion in particular due to absence of resource users like seav (no response in chat) and scorpion_prinz (offline)


 * Tagalog Wikipedia and Philippine Article in English Wikipedia Improvement Drive
 * No discussion

That's it. --Exec8 (talk) 19:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

And also the transcripts before I left is here at Tambayan Philippines/VM3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Felipe Aira (talk • contribs) 01:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

3rd PhilWiki Chat
Due to time constraints, most users cant make in the 8:00 PM chat so I propose (1.) users to actively participate in the Tambayan Philippines talk page if they have something to raise in our discussions. (2.) Select an earlier time and different day. Your comments are highly appreciated. --Exec8 (talk) 19:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Date: June 1, 2008 (Sunday)
 * Time: 5:00 PM Philippine Time (9:00 UTC/GMT)
 * Platform: Yahoo Messenger
 * I wasn't around the 2nd time since I'm busy (real life concerns) and I'm reviewing for UPCAT at that time. There is a 56% chance that I'll be part of the 3rd PhilWiki chat. -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 03:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)na.
 * Di kelangan review sa UPCAT, basta me sagot ka lang sa lahat ng questions okay n. (joke)-- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Here's what I posted in the other regional notice boards
--Nino Gonzales (talk) 08:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Gerald Gonzalez, again...
OK, we've warned him several times, he sock-puppeted, and now, he's harassing me at YouTube, with derogatory, anti-WP:CIVIL messages against me. I've blocked him from contacting me, but still, he's harassing me, and I've reported him at YT but the admins there didn't seem to respond. Any suggestions? Can you guys please ban him for good? God Bless and have a nice day... Blake Gripling (talk) 10:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It depends on the severity of the issue. What is it about, first?  Perhaps some of the Pinoy admins can act (and quickly).  -- Sky Harbor  12:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * His fanboyism of Angel Locsin, that's all. His fanboyism with the actress led him to do persistent POV pushing, using multiple usernames... Blake Gripling (talk) 00:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ehhh...this is why I wish there was a concrete policy on fanboyism (there is, but there should be one specifically for the Philippine community since fanboyism is that bad here among Filipino contributors). I'll see what I can do...the admins usually read this, so they should be able to act.  I'm not an admin on the English Wikipedia, although if it were the Tagalog Wikipedia, then that's a different story ;).  -- Sky Harbor  00:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. There are times where I get so pissed off at teeny-boppers who are so fanboyish at, let's say Kim Chiu and/or Gerald Anderson that they would do anything just to express their fannish love for their idols, one of which involves adding unnecessary, fancrufty POV edits and/or personal opinion about the article's subject - akala nila kasi, hindi porket free encyclopedia ang WP eh OK lang mag-dagdag ng kung ano ano tungkol kay Kim at Gerald - ayan, na-block tuloy... Blake Gripling (talk) 06:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

We're quite lucky. Look at the edits at the Jonas Borhters and Miley Cyrus articles & talkpages. They'll dwarf "our" unknown fanboys anyday. If not, we'll have to nominate another Pinoy Wikipedian in here (the English Wikipedia) just to complement TheCoffee (and keep those nasty fanboys out of editing "seryosong" articles).

Do you want to go to the Admins' Noticeboard day by day, just for nothing, or are you going to get a RfA so you can send the message that I mean fancruft-made stupidity by unknown fanboys (and fangirls) is not allowed!

Sure, I can have a big crush on Rihanna. But that alone can't make me write up fancruft on her article (or even on her article's talkpage)! We all love to "glorify" the people (or group of people) we love (whether in real life or just fiction). Or even bash them, as some Wikipedians and unknown users did to the "Crank That (Soulja Boy)" article and talkpage. but we have a duty of maintaining Wikipedia as a great source of information, not as a fan site, nor as a personal site!

I WISH THAT THEY CAN JUST READ "WHAT WIKIPEDIA IS NOT". I'd like to bash them here, but the rules here don't allow me that kinda thing.


 * Postscript: That part about Rihanna being my crush is complete bollocks. Napapadamay pa din siya diyan. =iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 09:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Just a reminder, stay cool and retaliating against the vandals is useless. --  Felipe   Aira  10:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Was your identity compromised? -- Howard  the   Duck  12:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Howard, are you talking to me about that? (Seriously, my account ain't compromised.) -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 02:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC) If you're talking about another Filipino Wikipedian, then it's another story altogether.
 * I was referring to Blake but this is should raise concern for everybody. -- Howard  the   Duck  04:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope. Besides, whether it's inside or outside of Wikipedia, there are times that I get pissed off at those fanboys who are sooooooo into with Kim and Gerald or whoever that is... Blake Gripling (talk) 06:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Kimerald controversy is long-running and spans several Wikipedias (believe me, the Tagalog Wikipedia has this problem too, probably Cebuano too). Fanboyism is not that hard to revert, but it is hard to teach people what Wikipedia is and what it is not. I'd like to see a "Wiki 101" course when WMPH is incorporated as one of its first projects.  -- Sky Harbor  16:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, agreed. Just like what I said earlier, they think WP is everything and it's OK to spill your fanaticism of your fave "love team" here. This is a something that I find rawther crappy, seriously... Blake Gripling (talk) 23:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * sigh* That's why I mostly steer clear from Philippine-showbiz-related topics here. It's quite depressing =) †B lo o d p ac k†  03:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Remember this?
Can anyone trim down the overly long "Aftermath" section? It's a lot longer than the events of the day per se, you can perhaps blame Floro for that. -- Howard  the   Duck  16:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Help Please
Hi! I was wondering if someone can help me. It seems that the referces that I cited in the article New Bilibid Prison are not showing up as a list at the bottom of the page. Is this normal? I thought it was automatic. If it's not automatic may I ask for some assistance? Thanks!!!! Monzonda  c",)  23:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Also corrected header indent levels per WP:GTL. The cite webs are legal now, but could use somefleshing out. I tend to use citation for nearly everything instead of the various templates, but that's an editor's preference item. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 00:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I really appreciate it! Monzonda  c",)  01:05, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Community Logo for POSS
POSS is asking for our logo, so they could put it in their website. I made a screenshot of the WMPH home page. It would be great if someone could make a version which follows the official guidelines

Here's the screenshot:



--Nino Gonzales (talk) 03:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe we can incorporate some elements of our flag into the logo? (Just a suggestion) --Scorpion prinz (Talk 03:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We can't incorporate any. There's an official guideline. The only thing we can change is the subtext. --   Felipe   Aira  04:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nino Gonzales, Re a version which follows the official guidelines, just for grins I've made one which should be close. It's currently available here. The guidelines specify that the font is GillSans bold or, alternatively, DejaVu Sans. I don't happen to have either of those but I do have Gill Sans MT bold, so I used that.  -- Boracay Bill (talk) 04:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Er. I don't think we can use the WMF logo without permission. WMPH is not an approved entity yet. We are simply just a community. --seav (talk) 04:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct. If we want to use the logo, we have to fast-track the approval of Wikimedia Philippines as a local chapter of Wikimedia Foundation. --Jojit (talk) 06:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My suggestion is to simply submit a logo that bears word "Wikimedia Philippines" in the font suggested above (or on Times New Roman) or dont submit a logo at all while WMPH is not yet incorporated. It brings to my attention that the community slowly loosing interest in incorporating. There should be an ad-hoc committee who will process the papers for WMPH. But the big problem is... can it be organized? There is a very small number of wikipedians talking about WMPH setup. In that small number, each wikipedian has different commitments. Some of us have jobs, some will go back to school this June, some work at day, some work at night. Some works on a regular shift of 8-10 hours in 4-5 days, some do freelance work. Add physical location. Some of us are in Cebu while others are in Manila.--Exec8 (talk) 07:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We can't use any other font. It's either Gill Sans MT or DejaVu. It's in the Guidelines. --   Felipe   Aira  09:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

If we cannot use the Wikimedia logo, we can use this image (by TheCoffee) for POSS. --Jojit (talk) 08:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that we should use that for now. And also, I created this fully Wikimedia compliant logos in Inkscape. Variants are in different languages. --   Felipe   Aira  09:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank goodness we have logos! We're all set for WMPH with these! :D -- Sky Harbor 15:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I prefer English version and the Filipinas version as the alternative.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Exclude hil and krj under Wikimedia Pilipinas logo. Or include fil and bto. --Filipinayzd (talk) 20:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I just did. --Filipinayzd (talk) 14:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if Hiligaynon and Kinaray-a are Incubator languages, they are still, for all intents and purposes, considered as WMPH languages since they have active projects. This is regardless of whether or not they have their own Wikipedia because they have not pushed through with interface translation, unlike Bikol.  -- Sky Harbor  13:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I asked emailed the communications guy of Wikimedia Foundation last week. No reply yet. If we can't use the WMPH logo, I suggest we create something which looks "Wikipedia" rather than Philippine. Take note of the context. In Wikipedia, the sun and banners logo works because we are the Philippine group. In a Filipino gathering, we have to be seen as a Wikipedia group. Any objections--legal, aesthetic, etc--if we use this? --Nino Gonzales (talk) 02:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good; how about incorporating the sun and banner logo in there are well? Overkill? &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  03:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Can't we just use the Wikipedia logo? --  Felipe   Aira  05:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. The Wikipedia logo is also copyrighted by Wikimedia Foundation. Suggestion Nino, you can include the Wikipe-tan mascot for Philippine collorabation or the original Wikipe-tan (to make more international) in your logo. --Jojit (talk) 06:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't expect any agreements on logo use between the WMF and WMPH just yet. These agreements will not come into fruition until WMPH is approved.  -- Sky Harbor  16:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested
Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 13:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Be BOLD Be involved!
If you want to be part of the historic formal creation of the Philippine Wiki community then get involved! Sign in! http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Philippines/Participants Be BOLD Be involved! --Exec8 (talk) 00:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Will there be a PhilWiki chat on June 1? Some Filipino Wikipedians are available on that date. Probably, we can make it earlier, around 6pm. --Jojit (talk) 01:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not know what my plans are for Sunday. However, I think I might be staying home since I need at least a day to get my bearings back together after a long day of travel.  -- Sky Harbor  15:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As stated above its June 1, 2008 (Sunday) 5:00 PM Philippine Time (9:00 UTC/GMT) and the Platform is Yahoo Messenger. --Exec8 (talk) 15:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Is everybody really invited? Because I want to join if I can arrive at home early.  But if it's for administrators only, then I won't hurry home then. Monzonda   c",)  23:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The discussions are NEVER for admins only. That's completely against the spirit of WMPH and why Wikimedia chapters exist! :D -- Sky Harbor  00:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Then I'll be attending. I just hope I get home in time.  Thanks! Monzonda   c",)  00:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering there TheCoffee is. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 17:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I missed it. :( I got home around 9 pm.  I really hate floods.  :( Sorry I missed it.   Monzonda   c",)  23:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

May 27 POSS Updates
a few updates. --Nino Gonzales (talk) 02:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Bentong Isles and I met face to face with Boni Belen, the head organizer of POSS.
 * The Philippine Wikipedia Community is officially a "Local Implementing Partner" of POSS (see details in the  email forwarded to Philwiki or in the correspondence archive page)
 * If you are going, pls sign-up in the meet-up page (they might give us discounts or complementary tickets [still under discussion])
 * Complementary plane tickets? --Exec8 (talk) 22:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think Nino is talking about the complimentary pass for the event. --Jojit (talk) 00:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Give me a plane ticket (and maybe a hotel room) and I'll see if I can get out of school for it. Since it's a convention, it's additional brownie points towards graduation. :D -- Sky Harbor  15:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

3rd PhilWiki Chat topics
The following will be discussed at the 3rd PhilWiki Chat on Sunday June 1 at 5pm Phil Time:
 * Wikimedia Philippines
 * Final round of discussions about WMPH Articles of Incorporation
 * New round of discussions about WMPH By-laws
 * Selection of persons
 * Ad-hoc committee for Incorporation/ Secretariat
 * Incorporators
 * Board of Directors
 * Officers
 * Bank
 * Choosing a bank to deposit
 * Pledges (to raise 20,000-25,000)
 * Treasurer's Affidavit, Board Resolution, and other requirements
 * Preparation for physical meetup for the formal signing of Articles of Incorporation & By-laws and presentation of IDs
 * Target dates for specific procedures and date of actual incorporation
 * WMPH website domain & makeup
 * Official mailing list
 * Organization email
 * up to 50 emails (i.e. juancruz@philwiki.org)


 * Cebu 1 and the Philippine Open Source Summit
 * Pledged participants and Philippine Wikimedia Community desk staff
 * Philippine Wikimedia Community (provisional name of WMPH) presskit, posters
 * Topics to discuss in Cebu 1
 * PWC's actual participation to the POSS
 * Philippine Collaboration Projects - LGU, Culture & Arts
 * GNU Free Documentation License and other issues in Intellectual Property


 * Current concerns about Philippine Articles in the English Wikipedia, Local language wikipedia, wiktionary, wikibooks, wikisource

Yun lang! Exec8 (talk) 18:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Foundation and Acquaintance Party?

Tanscripts: Tambayan Philippines/VM2 and Tambayan Philippines/VM3. --  Felipe   Aira  12:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Manila 4 Meetup
I propose --Exec8 (talk) 11:21, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * June 21 as date
 * 2:00 to 3:00 PM as time
 * Starbucks 4th floor(?) or ground floor Megamall as venue
 * Huddle for the Cebu 1 meetup and incorporation requirements (BDO opens on Saturday)


 * I don't know if they still have the 4/F Starbucks store or if it's just under renovation. But nevertheless, either June 14 or 21 sounds good to me. Maganda sana sa 14 kasi it's also payday, I can give my contribution as well ;-) --- Tito Pao (talk) 00:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think June 9 would be better since it is a public holiday.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, June 9 has been proposed last night during the chat. There already 4 people agreed. Cloudhand also suggested that we held the meet-up at Binondo (actually, there’s also a Starbucks there). --Jojit (talk) 02:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ack! I also have a meeting on June 9 :-( --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Megamall na lang. Jojit tanggap mo na ba address ko at cedula?-- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:21, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sige megamall na lang, di namam manlilibre si Cloudhand ;-). Anyway, I haven't receive your address and cedula yet, you can post it  here and here. --Jojit (talk) 03:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...kung sa Megamall, I think I can catch up...I can have my other meeting (somewhere in Ortigas near Megamall) scheduled for lunchtime (say, at 11pm) and end it as soon as possible so that I can make it in time at around 2 or 3 ;-) Am looking for my cedula as well. Tito Pao (talk) 03:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nalagay ko na. Akala ko pa naman specific ang address, buti na lang at hindi.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * How recent should the cedula be? I got mine last February, just in time for my workplace's deadline for updating tax records. Checked my wallet and found it there, I only need to know if the date on it is acceptable for this purpose. --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Basta this year okay na ata.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should be 2008. By the way, regarding address, I have seen some AoI samples that indicate the complete address. Probably, just for privacy and presentation purposes, we would be keeping the format as posted in the meta (i.e. City or Municipality, Province) then we can state the complete address in the actual document if the SEC requires it. --Jojit (talk) 05:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Resetting indent Thanks for the heads up. I'll be updating the notarial acknowledgement page on Meta with my cedula's date and place of issuance. If needed, I'll provide at least 2 photocopies of my cedula.--- Tito Pao (talk) 05:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * most likely june 21 since we have two weeks to fix and debate on the by-laws and one week to wait for ChapCom's comments. --Exec8 (talk) 17:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good, good, good...I can make it on June 21 then, will cancel all appointments for that date once June 21 is confirmed ^___^ --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Conflicts of history
This has been off-radar mostly: Wikipedia has just become a vehicle on questioning the location of the first mass in the Philippines. Yes, we all know it's between Limasawa, Southern Leyte and present-day Butuan City, and we also know that the National Historical Institute ruled that the Mass was held in the former. However, given the edit history of the article and the compelling evidence on both sides, even though we are NOT the NHI, we should take a look. -- Sky Harbor 08:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I had seen a bit of the editing. Affected articles include:
 * First mass in the Philippines
 * Limasawa, Southern Leyte
 * Butuan City
 * Gatighan
 * Dimasaua
 * Gin&eacute;s de Mafra
 * --seav (talk) 08:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Duh, I asked the "adder" of this information to cite them but he's not listening, I think. --Efe (talk) 08:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * According to The Philippines: A Unique Nation, There are five reasins why Masao (now part of Butuan City) was the place where the First Mass was held:
 * Name of the place (According to Antonio Pigafetta, Magellan's expedition to a place that has three syllables - "Masao" or something close to it.)
 * Route from Homonhon, Eastern Samar (The expedition travelled 20-25 leagues from Homonhon taking a west southwest [WSW] course. The distance between Limasawa & Homonhon was 14.6 leagues and Limasawa was blocked from homonhon by the tip of Southern Leyte.)
 * Latitude position (Some sources locate the place at 9 degrees north latitude while others at 9.67 degrees north. Limasawa is closer to the 10 degree mark, while Masao was exactly at the 9 degree line.)
 * Route to Cebu (The route taken by the explorers from Masao to Cebu was similar to the route used by ferries and ships in the present day. According to Pigafetta's chronicle, the distance traveled from the site of the first Mass to Cebu is 35 leagues or 140 miles [or 224 km], exactly the distance between Masao and Cebu. If they traveled from Limasawa, then they traveled only 80 miles.)
 * Geographical features (there are five)
 * The bonfire (Masao in Butuanon = light, residents of Masao back then celebrate a good harvest by cooking rice cakes in open fire. There were no rifefields in Limasawa.)
 * Balanghai (There were balanghais in Masao back then (nine of them were excavated in the lastfour decades or so, none were found in Limasawa)
 * Houses (Masao residents built hoses on stilts, Limasawans built low houses due to frequent typhoons in the area)
 * Abundance of gold (Masao was lucky enough, since it was near the Agusan Valley [where gold is abundant and mined from the pre-Hispanic times to the present day] while Limasawa had no gold in their area.
 * A developed settlement (Back then, what Masao was in 1521 is the equivalent of what Singapore or Hong Kong is right now. Even if I exaggerated in the previous sentence, Masao was a thriving community practising honest market transactions unlike in the Marianas. The king of Masao enjoyed great prestige in the Visayas-Mindanao region, especially in Cebu. And Masao was a major center of trade and internation commerce in Southeast Asia. Limasawa on the other hand, never attained such an importance since the begining of civilization in the Philippines.)


 * He should have cited those things why Masao was the site of the First Mass in the Philippines and not Limasawa. Either I added worthless info today or I just added some gasoline to the fire. -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 09:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe that is a good source but there are a lot of original research in the article right now. --Efe (talk) 10:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Some of these articles probably need to be merged into First mass in the Philippines. If these can be reliably sourced, there's probably enough info to make First mass a featured article. --seav (talk) 06:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)