Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 17

Wikimedia Philippines Timetable
Target dates as shown below:
 * Completion of Articles of Incorporation - June 3, 2008
 * AoI Debate and Votation - Until June 4, 2008
 * By-Laws
 * Review and Crafting - June 1 until June 7
 * First Round of Voting - June 7, 2008 (Live chat)
 * Second Review - June 7 until June 9
 * Second Round of Voting - June 9, 2008 (offline)
 * Final Review - June 10 - June 13
 * Final Vote - June 14 (Live chat or in person)
 * Submission of soft copy of AoI and By-laws to the ChapCom - June 14
 * Other requirements as stated by the bank - Until June 20
 * Board Resolution
 * Treasurer's Affidavit
 * Cedula
 * IDs
 * Manila 4
 * Signing of Documents - June 14 or 21 (depending availability of participants and documents needed)
 * Opening an account and presentation of proposed AoI and By-laws to the bank - June 21
 * Processing of other SEC requirements and fine tuning of AoI and By-laws - June 16 to July 11
 * Manila 5
 * Presentation of all documents and other paperworks - July 12
 * Submission of all requirements to the SEC anytime from July 14-18
 * Incorporation - anytime from July 15 to August 1
 * Manila 6
 * Foundation Day - August 2 or other dates agreed upon after the announcement of Incorporation (or by a lucky date).

Let me know if there are some changes you would like to add. --Exec8 (talk) 19:21, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Speed bump: remember, all documents MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE CHAPCOM FIRST before anything, even signing it and notarizing it. Check step 3 of the Step-by-step chapter creation guide.  -- Sky Harbor  05:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * How long does the usual ChapCom review take? --Jojit (talk) 07:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't know. But once it (AoI) is approved, we should immediately send it to the ChapCom.  -- Sky Harbor  07:14, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think they also need the Bylaws together as well, based on my reading of the step-by-step process. --seav (talk) 07:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Take note: August 2 is UPCAT Day. -- Sky Harbor  08:21, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * After the AoI and ByLaws are approved and submitted, ChapCom must give us a target date for completing the review so that we can adjust our timeline accordingly.  Perhaps we have to extend the corporation name registration as the need arises. --Jojit (talk) 11:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just modified the timetable. I am hoping that incorporation would come before September. --Exec8 (talk) 23:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Iloilo International Airport is up for FA!
Here's to the fourth fifth Philippine featured article bet: Iloilo International Airport. The nomination is available here. Comments, and your support especially, are most welcome. Thanks! -- Sky Harbor 01:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fourth? TheCoffee (talk) 06:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The LRT, the MRT, the history of the Philippines and this one. The other ones were not initiated by a Filipino Wikipedian or by someone actively involved here, so they don't count.  -- Sky Harbor  10:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ahm, what's the importance of third, fourth, fifth Philippine FAs? --Efe (talk) 10:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The remaining four FAs in our records were initiated by other WikiProjects (examples: Mount Pinatubo's FA nomination was initiated by WikiProject Mountains, while Durian had significant involvement in its FA nomination from Singaporean and Malaysian Wikipedians and is largely MY/SG/TH-centric). -- Sky Harbor  11:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Philippine Idol was actually submitted for FA, too. Starczamora (talk) 14:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It didn't pass though (I forgot, by the way). Then supposedly, it's the fifth! -- Sky Harbor  14:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Toni Gonzaga
Can anyone help me clean up this article? So much fancruft and stuff, you know... Blake Gripling (talk) 02:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I'm pretty sure the anon won't win an award for best in English soon. Anyways try page protection if the problem gets worse.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, for sure. That guy thinks I'm assuming ownership of the Angel Locsin and Strawberry Shortcake articles, so he resorted to falsely warning me. I'm just doing my job, and he's the one who's messing things up. And you know what? He's Gerald Gonzalez, in the form of an anonymous user using a Globe Telecom IP, probably in an Internet cafe... Blake Gripling (talk) 04:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm currently editing the article. I like Toni Gonzaga (but not so much that I'd do fanboy-ish edits), and I feel guilty enough that I had neglected this article among others, so I'm continuing what I had neglected to do for some time :-P --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that's more like it; any more fanboyism and it will be another round of reverting from us... Blake Gripling (talk) 05:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it my time to shine (as a hitman)? Besides, that 'stard will get on my nerves sonner or later. Give me some 9mm clips and he's finished. And if that's impossible, go to the RFPP page and lock it real good. (If he hits the article about Mo Twister, he's a dead guy walking the streets of Metro Manila.) -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 05:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe... Is that what you call revenge against a fanboy? Blake Gripling (talk) 06:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I also had a run-inwith this guy while patrolling the Angel Locsin article, using the name User:Ginacarmen. -- bluemask (talk) 07:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you meant (it means you, Blake), but we must keep an eye out of that 'stard. -iaNLOPEZ1115 · TaLKBaCK · Vandalize it 07:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I just did a clean-up. What I hate in this article is the huge tables. Duh. --Efe (talk) 08:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Did a Google search on her and the results were... scary. There are more "reliable" cites for her love interests rather than her biographical data. I think I leave this to you guys to source.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Admin assistance
Page move: One More Chance (movie) > One More Chance (2007 film). One user redirected the target page to Star Cinema. -- bluemask (talk) 11:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * it was already restored. -- bluemask (talk) 14:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

New test Wikipedia
We now have a new test Wikipedia: the Tausug test. As I was browsing on Tawi-Tawi (and looking for a translation of "airport" into Tausug for Sanga-Sanga Airport), I saw that someone made a Tausug Wikipedia on Incubator. So, this means if you know any Tausug speakers, they now have a Wikipedia to call home.

And remember, POSS people, please add this to the list of Wikimedia projects hosted in Incubator. -- Sky Harbor 00:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Bianca Gonzalez
found an article that is itching for a de-POV session.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed, since it was all peacocky and full of fancruft... Get your keyboards ready, boys... Blake Gripling (talk) 01:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I de-POV'd the intro paragraph and some sentences... Blake Gripling (talk) 01:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I know this might not be the place to say this, but...
What are you going to do about that absurdity called the Luzon Empire? That fanbrat still hasn't listened to any of your merge proposals! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.31.31.190 (talk) 20:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Is anyone there? Or do you just think I'm a fanbrat as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.31.95.67 (talk) 11:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * First, learn to be civil. Second, the article has been discussed thoroughly here (especially knowing that a non-Filipino wrote it) and has been concluded that it is not a hoax considering its sources.  Thanks. Starczamora (talk) 14:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. It's just that the continued existence of that article gave me the (false) illusion that little is being done about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.31.95.67 (talk • contribs)

Starczamora, I'm afraid I got taken off the net for a while... but where was this conclusion drawn, again? I must say I'm surprised. Alternativity (talk) 10:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

4th PhilWiki Chat
Since its a long weekend (for some), its a great way to have 4-5 hours of your time on Saturday Sunday   to chat. The agenda is the same and I might consider going to Cebu (awaiting approval of my leave) on June 23. I am satisfied that the WMPH discussions were gone onto high gear and I even went to City Hall just to get a Cedula for this. We will also need to discuss preparations for the ChapCom submission of AoI and By-laws on June 14 and possible meetup on June 21. We also need to encourage more members to participate in our future discussions here in Tambayan, PhilWiki Chat and PhilWiki Yahoo Groups. For those who haven't seen the By-Laws, visit this link. We appreciate your inputs by going to this link. For AoI, we need to get the CTCs of Jojit_fb, Scorpion_Prinz, Bentong_Isles, and TheCoffee, and nominate the members of the first board of trustees.

--Exec8 (talk) 03:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Date : June 7, 2008 (Saturday)  June 8, 2008 (06-08-08), Sunday
 * Time : 6:00 PM to 11:00 PM Philippine Time (thats 10:00-15:00 UTC)
 * Platform : Yahoo Messenger


 * I will try my availability on June 7 as I will be in Makati Med to witness the birth of my newest cousin. June 8 might also be a good day (not June 9, as June 10 is the start of classes).  Also, for those who are interesting in joining WMPH, you can do so here.  -- Sky Harbor  04:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hope you can make it a Sunday, I won't be around on that day.--Scorpion prinz (Talk 17:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed the schedule. Done --Exec8 (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Since Wikimedia Foundation is on election period, is there a way we can have a bloc vote to lobby support? Their comments.--Exec8 (talk) 18:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not really a fan of bloc voting, let us just let Tambays vote who they think is best. And also I have already voted days ago. --   Felipe   Aira  04:03, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll be late. I will be logging in around 9:30 pm because I have a meeting from my other organization. Anyway, if you going to talk about the By-laws, I've prepared a review summary for your guidance. --Jojit (talk) 04:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I couldn't make it (familial obligations). However, if I have access to the transcripts, I can make changes to the By-laws as needed.  -- Sky Harbor  01:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't able to make it online last night, thanks to an unexpected vacation in Siquijor. TheCoffee (talk) 11:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Dangwa flower market
Hello guys can you snap a picture of the market for the article? Also can you help me expand the article to at least ~4000 bytes for DYK purposes? I already bled the internet dry but only came up with with 4 references. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll be going there this coming Saturday. I'll snap a pic for you.  I just hope I'm not too late.  Monzonda   c",)  10:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's okay if we can't submit this to DYK.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Kim Chiu
Guys, it's time for another fancruft eradication session; this time, it's Kim who's being targeted by the so-called "Kimerald" fanboys... We better clean up this mess... Blake Gripling (talk) 04:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Can somebody fix the fair use rationale for this image. Actually I feel like IFD'ng it-- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair use rationale: To make readers emotional?!? Dear god... &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  13:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The previous fair use excuse is/was garbage. Just replaced it. -iaNLOPEZ1115 02:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Note that showbiz article editors should keep a close watch on the list in the uploader's userpage.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Final call for Promotional Collateral (June 11, 2008)
If no objections or additions by June 11, 5pm Manila time, I'll submit these: (I committed June 11 to Wpinas... they still have to do some processes for them to print it, like color separation. (I thought they'd just print it in some laserjet...) The new version with the graphs looks great. However, there could be several improvements (like "the tagalog wikipedia... is the most active Philippine-language Wikipedia, after the Tagalog Wikipedia). Felipe--would it be possible for you to post the text in a wikipedia page? Then we'll edit it as a group?--Nino Gonzales (talk) 09:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikipedia_anzeige2ce.jpg
 * http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/e/ee/Presskit.pdf
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:WikimediaPhilippinesPOSS.PDF
 * Wait...it is WikiPilipinas who will be printing this? -- Sky Harbor 11:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. I mentioned it in the 2nd virtual meet. Also in the discussion above.--Nino Gonzales (talk) 14:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think that copy-pasting the text from the PDF to a meta page will be of use. This is for three reasons, you have a copy of the file cite the errors then let me correct it, tommorrow is the deadline, and errors have already been corrected. --   Felipe   Aira  13:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Somehow, something just goes wrong when I try to download the POSS pdf... I have never been able to read it. &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  14:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps your using version 5, it works best in 8. --   Felipe   Aira  08:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I am indeed using version 8. I get a message to the effect that the file is not a supported type or that the file is damaged. I kept downloading it over and over again, same thing. &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  10:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know because I am pretty much sure that Seav, Nino and Sky Harbor can see it properly since they have been helping me with the corrections. --   Felipe   Aira  10:41, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries, I'll get to see it in hard copy I guess. Finally got it downloaded, lolz! &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  04:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I placed my comments in a previous section. --seav (talk) 15:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I just sent the three promotional collateral to Wpinas.--Nino Gonzales (talk) 14:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

New DYK
A fact from Mendiola massacre appeared in the Main Page today. &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  06:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good job Kurt and nice timing.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 08:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Lenticel. =) Next, we should write an article that includes a tidbit on the fact that we Filipinos move around the date of our Independence Day commemoration like we have no respect for it. Maybe it'll garner DYK status as well. (low, wicked laugh, mole in cheek vibrating...) &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  08:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The closest thing that I can think of is Holiday economics formed by GMA. It will never pass DYK though as the section supplies most of the required info.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * hehe. I'm tempted to write Holiday Economics... 'di, wag na. =) &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  09:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

A little help...
There is someone (using the IP Address 59.154.26.124) has been repeatedly editing the Tanauan City article, changing the present Mayor to the ex - mayor and places the present mayor as a SK Chairman (see the article and the history), placing information without evidence. I know that the culprit is also from that town who is angry from the present administration. He has already given last warning and although he has given a warning he still continues to disrupt the encyclopedic article. Note: I am also a co - contributor of the Tanauan City article and when I change the "wrong names" he / she edits it again, bringing back again the "wrong name".

I hope help will come and punish this culprit.

The General 10:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * To Joseff3506 a. k. a. "The General", please put new mesages at the bottom. Hopefully, I'm not the only one editing and/or using the Tambayan talk page at this time. I'm sure that they'll take care of it. Besides, I'm from CALABARZON too and I'll be there to defend your edits in the Tanauan City article from that anonymous IP. (See my other message in your talkpge.) -iaNLOPEZ1115 11:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry for posting it to the top (first time). Thanks for the help... The General 11:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseff3506 (talk • contribs)

Update:

Another one (who is using the IP Address:121.1.18.242 (second attacker)) is attacking the Tanauan City Article... Like in my first statement, the second culprit is also from that town who is angry from the present administration. I checked the article and he / she added more destructive and false statements preceding the names. The General 06:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseff3506 (talk • contribs)
 * I put in a request for page protection; it may get protected soon. Your most recent vandal is on a SmartBro network here in the Philippines; the other vandal seems to be working out of the Optus network in Australia. Btw, please sign your posts with four tildes (" ~ ") &mdash;  •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  08:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm... The request was denied. It seems vandal activity hasn't yet reached the required level. &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  10:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Help at the Tagalog Wikipedia
Everyone, I need your help at watching the recent changes at the Tagalog Wikipedia. Why do I need it? There has been hightened vandalism that started just yesterday, and I can be sure that I can not notice and revert all of them, and that they are all from the same user. Why can't I block him? He's operating in so many IP's (between 121.0.0.0 to 125.0.0.0). Why can't I do a range block? Since our most active anons who are not vandals, operate also at that range. The vandalism since yesterday has been perhaps the maniest I have seen, I hope he gets tired of it. --  Felipe   Aira  08:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I reverted some of the offending edits and speedy tagged some of the vandal-created articles.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This is the worst case of vandalism I've seen at Tl WP. --   Felipe   Aira  14:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Edit wars in TL is still going on. I'm quite surprise that he's very persistent, even if he knows that I am protecting and reverting. Every minute there's a new vandal case. A record for Tl. It's still good that he's not insulting anyone, unlike other vandals. Help needed! --  Felipe   Aira  11:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This is an every year thing, actually. This occur around the first few months of the school year. -- bluemask (talk) 08:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Printing of Tambayan Promotional Collateral for POSS
As agreed in the last virtual meet-up, I invited Wpinas to partner in POSS. I met with Tin Mandigma and Richard Grimaldo last Wednesday. I asked them if we could singit our promotional collateral in their printing. They said ok. I'll send them the following by Monday, June 2:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikipedia_anzeige2ce.jpg (poster)
 * it would be great if someone could create a Tambayan version of this... something like "alien, art, or lapu-lapu's bahag" or something like that...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/e/ee/Presskit.pdf
 * I made a draft of a Tambayan version of the presskit here: Tambayan_Philippines/presskit. If one of us here has a talent in layout, it would be great if this could be laid-out similar to the Wikimedia presskit, with graphs, pictures, logos and all. Otherwise, I'll do a hack job with it and have it printed as well on June 2. --Nino Gonzales (talk) 06:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So what I understand here is that we need to create something like that PDF. Explaning that what Wikimedia is, and our purpose is to assist and promote Wikimedia here in the Philippines. If so I'll try to create one, and also the graphs, and also when I make it should I use the Wikimedia logo, the Wikimedia PH or Wikimedia Philippines? (refer to the above section). And also who's our staff? This is so I can put content at the staff portion of the document. --   Felipe   Aira  07:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, something like that PDF, explaining what Tambayan and WMPH is. No need to make it exactly like the Wikimedia PDF in terms of structure (but perhaps the same in style). Just keep in mind the audience and the message. We will be distributing this to participants of POSS, the press and everyone we could give it to. We need to explain who we are, what we do, and how they could contribute to our goals (e.g., the improvement of Philippine articles, promotion of local language Wikipedias, the chartering of WMPH, etc). Please feel free to edit Tambayan_Philippines/presskit. It is very very first draft... --Nino Gonzales (talk) 08:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We can assume that the reader has already read the Wikimedia press kit when we write the text. So no need to go into details about Wikimedia and Wikipedia... We will be distributing the Tambayan presskit with the Wikimedia press kit...--Nino Gonzales (talk) 09:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And should I indicate that we're a chapter or a proposed one or a community or both? --   Felipe   Aira  09:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I would word it this way: Tambayan... is a community of Wikipedia editors... as of printing of this information sheet, the Philippine chapter of Wikimedia is being formalized. This includes SEC registration blah blah blah... One the logo, we could just put a there "the logo of the soon to be formed WMPH" or something like that... --Nino Gonzales (talk) 09:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick note about the message of the presskit. Please take note that Wikimedia chapters do not maintain the Wikimedia projects. Only the Foundation does that. --seav (talk) 09:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I would like to inform all that I'm about 1/4 in the making of it. And also, in some instances I've replaced Wikipedian with Wikimedian; like The Philippine Collaboration Project, otherwise know as "Tambayan" or "Tambayan Philippines", is the de facto name of the the extensive community of Wikimedians ... This is since our scope of is not only Wikipedia, and that's the actual thing that I've put there. Also, as a personal opinion it's very hard to find free PDF editors although it's practically a documentation standard. And the original press kit of Wikimedia has so many tyos. hehe. --  Felipe   Aira  12:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

And also another question: attribution? Who will I attribute in the footnotes like "All Rights Reserved. unknown Copyright 2008."? It's obvious that I can't attribute Wikimedia Philippines since I can't attribute something that doesn't exist. Would it be ok if I'll just put the attribution to my self? And do you think it would be better if it's liscenced in the GFDL? --  Felipe   Aira  13:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Just copyright it the way it is. The lay-out is definitely yours. If you'll use the text in Tambayan_Philippines/presskit, just put a link to that. Same with the pics. If they are yours, put your name there. If it's someone else's who wants to be attributed, let's attribute it to him... I think it is perfectly all right if you attribute it to yourself. On the license, perhaps GFDL or CC-BY--Nino Gonzales (talk) 04:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok I am almost done. It is a 5 page press kit. Page 1 - title page; Page 2- mission/introduction to wikimedia; Page 3 - Projects; Page 4- Statistics; Page 5- final call for participation; copyright information, and also maybe contact information? What number should I put? I am already at page 4, I'll just finish it tommorrow. And also I'll be needing answers to all my questions tommorrow to finalize the content. --  Felipe   Aira  14:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Who wants to volunteer his number? If none, we could just put there the egroup email and the URL of the Tambayan...--Nino Gonzales (talk) 04:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Ang also maybe intead of that image we can use one's from WikiWorld like this one. I know has a larger text length but at least as people are looking at the cute pictures they'll be thinking of Wikipedia, since most of the time only the picture's will be looked at. --  Felipe   Aira  17:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Whatever you think is best man... --Nino Gonzales (talk) 04:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It's finished! http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:WikimediaPhilippinesPOSS.PDF It seems that it can't be read by v5 of Adobe Acrobat Reader. It renders properly under 8. I'll also create a png version of that. --  Felipe   Aira  14:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Copyediting suggestions on the participation page:

We invite you to help us, and this help won't require you anything. We only need you're time. You can help by simply writing, spellchecking and verifying articles in the English and Philippine-language Wikipedia, or any other language edition of Wikipedia. Quoted from Wikimedia's dear founder Jimmy Wales, "Imagine a world in which every single person has free access to the sum of all human knowledge.". You can help making it possible. You may contact the Philippine Wikimedia Community at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WT:TAMBAY.


 * "require you anything" -> "require anything from you"
 * "need you're time" -> "need your time"
 * "Philippine-language Wikipedia" -> "Philippine-language Wikipedias"
 * "Quoted from" -> "To quote from" and scratch the "dear" ;-)
 * The end of Jimbo's quote has doubled periods.
 * "making it possible" -> "in making that vision possible"
 * The second "You" in "You may contact..." is a bit jarring. I suggest rephrasing that sentence.
 * There's an extra space after TAMBAY. If you're afraid that people might consider that a part of the URL, underline the URL and color it a subtle shade of blue.
 * These are just some initial comments. I might go over the other pages. :) --seav (talk) 14:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for copy editing I will correct those tommorrow or maybe the other day. I feel sick today. --   Felipe   Aira  07:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Could we remove the French Communes from the Cebuano stats? It's misleading. Perhaps you could just put a footnote: *Excluding stubs on French Communes--Nino Gonzales (talk) 09:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll give you another version in the weekend. --   Felipe   Aira  11:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop the presses! I took a look at the presskit: I recommend a thorough look-through and copy-edit before printing it. There are several errors with regard to spelling, capitalization, grammar and factual accuracy.  For example, the Tagalog Wikibooks has 200+ modules (not books) and we don't have an Ilonggo Wikipedia (still in Incubator, it should be the Ilokano Wikipedia), among others. -- Sky Harbor  00:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Here are the new statistics included in the Press kit. Sources are stats.wikimedia.org and stats.grok.se. I'll be uploading it later. It is now smaller (around 2 MB) since it was made from scratch (unlike the first one that was just superimposed over the original Wikimedia Presskit). Mistakes that were noted above have been corrected, and page 3 has been redesigned, and other mistakes have been corrected as well. It follows the British orthography not the American one (so it's "specialising" not "specializing"). Expect the new version, an hour or two from now. And also it now contains 6 pages. --  Felipe   Aira  07:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The new version is complete. It's much smaller in size (originally 3.7 MB; currently 2.3 MB), although it now has 6 pages. 3 of which concerns statistics. Its here at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:WikimediaPhilippinesPOSS.PDF. --  Felipe   Aira  08:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't get why British spelling conventions are used when the vast majority of Filipinos use American spelling conventions over British ones. The spelling errors do not account for orthographical differences between American and British English, although American orthography should have been used.  By the way, there are still errors.  For example, it's the Tagalog Wikinews that's in the Incubator, not the Tagalog Wikibooks, "ofthe" in the Tagalog Wikipedia description should have a space between the "of" and the "the", the Tagalog Wikibooks has a focus on recipes (not cookbooks), and a Bikol Wiktionary is in the Incubator, among others. -- Sky Harbor  14:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow thank you for seeing those errors, I'll be uploading a new one later. And also, did you notice any other errors? I need to know it all so that there won't be any in the next one. In the case of British orthography, that's the kind I'm used to, and I don't think anything's wrong about, as long as it's still English. --   Felipe   Aira  08:37, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And also I'll be adding Tausug and the Bikol Wiktionary. Should the Filipino Wiktionary and/or Wikipedia be added, I think it shouldn't be, since I believe the proposal page in meta was trashed and nobody, or at least we, supports it? --   Felipe   Aira  08:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, the test projects for Filipino are bogus. People there are so confused about the language that they advocate. Filipino is not Taglish. See incubator:Wp/fil and incubator:Wt/fil. --   Felipe   Aira  09:03, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok this is what I'll do: I'll be doing Sky's corrections add Bikol Wiktionary. I won't be adding Filipino since they were rejected, and Tausug because it is not yet formally proposed, and it's test is in English. I guess perhaps even the proposer is not Tausug. --   Felipe   Aira  02:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if the proposer is not Tausug, it's valid (the Hiligaynon test was also in English when it started). POSS would be a good way for Tausug speakers who could be attending the conference to contribute to Wikipedia in their native language (out of all the existing Wikipedias, both regular and test, Tausug has the second-smallest number of speakers at 1.022 million, with only Chavacano having less).  However, I will not back Filipino being inserted into the presskit. -- Sky Harbor  05:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It will be most biased if I should include Tausug. So I won't. --   Felipe   Aira  06:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree to that. I also created a test first page for Pandan Bikol. A link of an online community of Pandan Bikol (and Virac Bikol) speakers is posted there. Re Rinconada Bikol test, no contributors yet. --Filipinayzd (talk) 14:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

June 10 version
A new version, which is the final version, has been now uploaded. Encoding errors, et cetera have been corrected. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:WikimediaPhilippinesPOSS.PDF --   Felipe   Aira  13:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Some errors and points for improvement: I wish you could have placed the text here or at Meta so that we could have all collaborated in making the text an example of Wikipedia's brilliant prose. --seav (talk) 15:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * page 1, change the double dashes with an em dash
 * page 2, 1st paragraph: "connexion" to "connection"
 * page 2, 1st paragraph: add a comma after "Currently" in "Currently Wikimedia servers host..."
 * page 2, 1st paragraph: use semicolons to separate the projects since commas are already used as appositive delimiters.
 * page 2, 2nd paragraph: "currently at the process" to "currently in the process"
 * page 2, 2nd paragraph: "edcational" to "educational"
 * page 2, 2nd paragraph: "producing open content" to "helping to produce open content" (remember, Wikimedia Philippines does not own the Philippine-language Wikimedia projects)
 * page 2, 2nd paragraph: "Asia" to "Southeast Asia", there is already a Wikimedia Hong Kong and a Wikimedia Taiwan.
 * page 2, 2nd paragraph: "has potential" to "has the potential"
 * page 2, 3rd paragraph: add a comma after "and verify the articles' content"
 * page 2, 4th paragraph: "presented to an article" to "bestowed on an article"
 * page 2, 4th paragraph: "neutral of content" to "neutral content"
 * page 2, 4th paragraph: "written in the most excellent style" to "written in an engaging and readable manner"
 * page 2, 4th paragraph: "such as the articles of" to "such as the articles on"
 * page 2, 4th paragraph: add quotation marks around the articles' titles
 * page 3, Tagalog Wiktionary: "mostly are of Tagalog" to "most of which are from Tagalog"
 * page 3, Tagalog Wikibooks: italicize "Florante at Laura" since it's the title of a book
 * page 3: The footnote to the incubator projects is too small. Make it a bit larger and place it at the bottom to be a real footnote.
 * page 4: The graph seems to have a "Full-screen Snip" watermark on it. I also suggest making the data lines a bit thicker
 * page 5: Why is the Ceb and Tl graph repeated?
 * page 5: The graphs seems to have a "Full-screen Snip" watermark on them. I also suggest making the data lines a bit thicker
 * page 6: Is there an explanation for the spike at the end of March 2008? I'm sure those reading the pamphlets will ask this and it's best to give the POSS participants an answer to give. The answer need not be in the pamphlet.
 * page 6: "won't require anything from you. We only need your time" to "won't require anything from you but your time and dedication"
 * page 6: Is the YahooGroups Philwiki address set to be able to receive e-mail from non-members?
 * page 6: "Gnu" to "GNU"
 * Ok, I've already uploaded new statistics. This time it doesn't have the "Full-screen snip" watermark, which is a side effect of the Snipping Tool of the worst OS ever. However if you can still see that the watermark is still there try purging the cache (both the server's and yours).


 * The statistics for the pageviews have been updated (I'll be updating that every 5 days); it now includes an statistic about June 10 (that's yesterday). Quite oddly, there's a spike again, which is bigger than the last one. But this one was only experienced by TL not ceb, and also perhaps this is linked to the heightened vandalism we've been encountering at TL. Perhaps when there are more people viewing a wiki, there is a much better possibility of vandalism don't you think? Starting from March 28 to April 2 Tl and CEB experienced a huge spike in page views. TL: 8,700 pageviews (normally between 900 to 2500); CEB: 8,100 pageviews (normally less than a thousand). There has been also a countinuous and stable rise of pageviews after that spike (starting from April). And just yesterday TL experienced a huge spike again, even larger than the one before, with 12,300 pageviews on June 10 compared to 3700 pageviews of June 5.


 * Thank you very much Seav for the copy-edits. I hope this time I upload again, it will be now perfect. About "connexion", as I've said the document follows British orthography; that's how they spell it. The repitition of the graph for Tagalog and Ceb should have been the statistics of activity in Philippine-language Wikipedias. I cannot explain the spikes on both March 28 - April 2, and the one yesterday. I have no idea. However I strongly believe that it has something to do with the Wikimedia Foundation press release (WMF:Press_releases/10M_articles), which was released on March 28, the same day the spike began, and it mentions the Tagalog Wikipedia as one of the fastest growing small Wikipedias; we doubled our size thanks to Wikiboost. Perhaps we got featured again yesterday? The others, I shall correct them all.


 * --  Felipe   Aira  09:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the "connexion" looks really odd. Filipinos usually follow American English spelling and the British themselves are using "connexion" less (see this). Filipinos are more familiar with meter/metre and color/colour variances but connection/connexion much less.
 * Ok I'm going to take your word for it. I shall change it. --   Felipe   Aira  09:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also I won't replace commas with semi colons. Although it's an ease with reading, I don't think it's grammatically correct since those different projects are still on the same clause. --   Felipe   Aira  11:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I won't move the footnote but rather enlarge it. Why? How will the reader know that it's about the incubator projects? --   Felipe   Aira  11:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe non-members can send e-mails to the mailing list. This is how the POSS coordinator sends messages to the mailing list although the Coordinator's not a member. --   Felipe   Aira  11:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to me, I'm actually a member of the yahoogroups.--Nino Gonzales (talk) 14:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No I meant Boni. How he/she sends e-mails to the mailing list although he/she's not a member; ([]). --   Felipe   Aira  14:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, he just sent the emails to me and I posted them. But you can know empirically whether or not philwiki could receive emails from non-members--just send an email from a unregistered email of yours.--Nino Gonzales (talk) 01:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

It's here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:WikimediaPhilippinesPOSS.PDF. Since it is now the final version, translations may now be done. Just tell if it needs to be translated to Tagalog. --  Felipe   Aira  11:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I will take care of the Tagalog translation. And BTW, the article is "History of the Philippines". -- Sky Harbor  13:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Internet in the Philippines
Its been 14 years, I believe we need to expand this article to include history (MozCom, DOST PHNet), Top 10 visited websites in 2007. I remember the days of 28k dial-up of different ISPs and then the introduction of ISP scratch cards and the ILOVEYOU virus, the erap animated drawings, broadband internet, smartbro, friendster, tipidpc, pinoyexchange, yugatech, internet advertising, and of course wikipedia. --Exec8 (talk) 23:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Pinoy Wikipedia Friendster Group
One of the things discussed in 4th PhilWiki Chat is a creation of a social networking group to get more awareness of WP:TAMBAY. The following sites were created: --Exec8 (talk) 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * pinoywikipedia.multiply.com
 * www.come.to/wikipedia
 * www.friendster.com/pinoywikipedia
 * Pinoy Wikipedia Friendster Group
 * Facebook profile
 * Facebook group keyword: "Pinoy Wikipedia"
 * How come I can't add Pinoy Wikipedia to my friends list? Blake Gripling (talk) 01:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

--Its a good job. We Wikipedians in the Philippines, we must disseminate the Wikipedia to the Filipino youth through Friendster. Thank You.--Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 07:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Is the multiply site a group site? There are other features when it is a group site. -- bluemask (talk) 08:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay! Any more and more Filipino teens will be aware about WP... But of course, we must make sure that they won't screw up once they join... Blake Gripling (talk) 10:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't try to alienate teen Wikipedians by generalizing them. True, we need to correct their mistakes, but we must also correct their editing habits.  Remember, there are responsible teen Wikipedians out there (like myself and Felipe Aira, among others). -- Sky Harbor  14:18, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * True. Remember every vandal has the possibility of being a very active Wikipedian. That's why don't insult the vandals. --   Felipe   Aira  14:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Question: what's the e-mail being used? That is so I can add it to the friends list. --  Felipe   Aira  10:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speaking of 'Pinoy Wikipedia', you need to confirm your identity to me on the Pinoy Wikipedia friendster group, since I'm the owner:


 * First, you need to send me an email to me via Special:Emailuser or send me an email (see the Contact iaN page for the info) with this format:


 * Real name: Firstname Surname
 * Friendster site (it can be in any one of these formats, I'm using mine as an example):
 * http://profiles.friendster.com/17950227
 * http://profiles.friendster.com/user.php?uid=17950227
 * http://profiles.friendster.com/ianlopez1115 (if you have a personalized URL link)
 * Contributes to which version(s) of Wikipedia: English, Tagalog


 * And by the way, no vandals allowed. I'm just doing this to weed out who's who. Also, I'm allowing myself to show some personal info just to demostrate how to "confirm your identity", and the 3 pages listed above all link to the same page. That will be all. -iaNLOPEZ1115 12:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Have you seen this one? http://profiles.friendster.com/wikipedia also known as Wikimedia Manila. --Exec8 (talk) 20:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Who created it? --   Felipe   Aira  09:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "Wikipedia Manila" had around 1500 fans and was created last year. I only discovered this one last Sunday.--Exec8 (talk) 20:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Spanish wiki
I'm having a hard time making crucial corrections there on Filipino articles as of now. Hopefuly it will change. I might focus on using Enciclopedia libre instead.--Jondel (talk) 01:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm developing my Spanish before I consider a second foray into the Spanish Wikipedia. I still maintain my account there, though. -- Sky Harbor  11:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Please do develop your Spanish. Did you know in the history page, its says that the members of the local (independentista) separatist  movement, were made up of a faction of the Spanish-speaking, mistizo bourgeoisie aspiring to political power..... (se gestó un movimiento independentista local, compuesto por una facción de la burguesía mestiza hispano-parlante, aspirante al poder político que le estaba vedado.)?? What about there rest like speakers of Tagalog like Bonifacio, Cebuano, etc....!?? They have their own interpretations at the Spanish wiki. This happens a few times and I get into edit wars. (I wonder if it says in the Chinese wiki that the Chinese filipino speakers were propagators of the revolution and so on and so forth for other languages)Uh it is a bit to much for me now. Im in Japan btw.--Jondel (talk) 00:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Student newspapers of Metro Manila
Head's up guys, everything here is up for deletion or prod. I already provided sources for Kule but not anywhere else.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 15:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That's weird; they have sources, but up for AFD. WTH? --Eaglestorm (talk) 16:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have participated in the Kule AFD discussion. Let's crack down on that guy who slapped PROD/AFD tags on the papers in the category. He doesn't know what he is doing. --Eaglestorm (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hinay-hinay lang, I just suggest that you add some cites in the articles if you could and remind the prodder/nominator to notify us first when he finds something amiss in Philippine articles.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:00, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Already made a b*tch fit in The Varsitarian. Just kidding... Starczamora (talk) 05:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What are the updates so far on the PROD/AFD'd student pubs? I understand Kule made it through. Sorry for asking, but I only get to log in a few times a week since WP got blocked on my workstation. @starczamora, I'm just as pissed as you are when some people call our pub pages as non-notable when some non-PH campus pubs are also crappy. One thing's for sure, they are not from the Philippines. Damn, I was thinking pa naman of creating a MAGDALO Editorial Board page...or even CEGP. --Eaglestorm (talk) 08:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

(Resetting indent). The student pubs of all major universities pushed through.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good for those articks, damn admin wannabe that AFD nominator guy was.--Eaglestorm (talk) 14:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Disclosure: That "admin wannabe" prodded a lot of student newspapers, I only removed the prods on Varsi, Kule and Guidon. Dunno what happened to the others, though. -- Howard  the   Duck  14:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Someone else removed the AFD tag on Ang Pamantasan just a couple of days after nomination. As or the others, I'll check them. I think Tinig ng Plaridel also had the tag I saw it two weeks ago...probably got deleted. I just searched today.--Eaglestorm (talk) 14:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Statistics

 * See also: and Tambayan Philippines/Statistics

Just to remind everyone, there's been a great breakthrough at the Tagalog Wikipedia Page Views. I told you about the spike before right; the one which occurred from 28 March to 2 April. That week gathered around 8,700 pageviews. This 10 June the Tagalog Wikipedia page views reached 12,300. And most surprisingly this 11 June we gathered 21,400, and this 12 June, we gathered 21,000 page views. This makes it the highest pageviews reached in Philippine-Wikipedia History. I wish that this will mean more contributors, and readers not increased vandalism, which is happenning now. The Cebuano Wikipedia also experienced an increase in page views, although not as huge; 10 June: 1,400; 11 June: 1,900; 12 June: 1,700. The norm at ceb is usually less than a thousand. And just to give you a comparison, on average the English Wikipedia receives around 14 million page views a day. --  Felipe   Aira  11:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

New statistics for pageviews of ceb and tl
I'll now be publishing the first one every five days, and the rest monthly. It's nice no, finally we know that at least a number of persons our reading the Wikipedias we have written. --  Felipe   Aira  14:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

This is great! Where can you find the data for this? What happened in Mar 08? Why is there a spike for both? --Nino Gonzales (talk) 01:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * See the section about the POSS something above. I've explained it there. It's from http://stats.grok.se/ while the others are from http://stats.wikimedia.org/ . And also as an update yesterday (13 June) pageviews dropped to 10,800 half of 21,400 of 11 June. Yet it is still significantly higher than the average. I don't have a theory for what caused this. But maybe we got featured? Since that was the cause last spike. --   Felipe   Aira  13:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

The general statistics are again updated. Notice how the recent spike dwarfs the latter spike. It just happens that yesterday (15 June) TL got 25,700 pageviews, and again making a new record. Ceb's stats are also somehow gradually growing. Its current state almost equals the norm of TL. --  Felipe   Aira  10:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Follow-up on Iloilo International Airport
The FA nomination for Iloilo International Airport is proceeding extremely slowly (in fact, I already missed my intended date for Main Page display). Currently, there are but mere comments. So this means that there is no consensus.

The fact that majority of Filipino editors were not involved in the article should not be a deterrent for objectively reviewing the article and giving your support or opposition. I hope that I will be able to encourage enough editors to be able to assess the article and determine whether or not it is fit for FA. Unlike the case for the Manila Metro Rail Transit System, where the issue was raised before, the "being Filipino" of an editor assessing the article should not serve as a deterrent to objectively assess and, in turn, determine whether or not it is fit for FA status (there is no case of national bias here, and the last four editors who assessed the article are non-Filipino). So hopefully, I will be able to extract more Filipino involvement in the FA process, which is noticeably absent among much of the community. -- Sky Harbor 13:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think I can support since I've done too much editing and correcting to be uninvolved. --seav (talk) 16:00, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW, you really don't get to choose when an FA goes to the main page. You may suggest a particular date but it's really up to the FA director. --seav (talk) 02:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I can nominate one. Anyway, I need help with copy-editing.  Anyone willing to help copy-edit? -- Sky Harbor  10:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Philippines By-laws and CTCs
Team, please submit your comments. We need to get as much inputs and comments as possible. We should vote on this measure on or before Saturday, June 14, 2008 and submit the Articles of Incorporation and By-Laws to the ChapCom the following day. By-laws are there since May so 1 1/2 month screening and review would be just enough. We also need the CTC # of the pledged incorporators on or before June 14. --Exec8 (talk) 21:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Changing the target date
Since the target date of Incorporation (on or before August 1) nears, I would like to ask if you are in favor of the June 14, 2008 target date to vote the By-laws draft or move it to another date like June 21 or 28. The 5th PhilWiki Chat will be conducted Sunday after the submission of the By-laws to the ChapCom and Manila 4 will be Sunday after the 5th PhilWiki Chat. --Exec8 (talk) 20:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * At the rate we're going, it's going to be a while before we are able to polish the By-laws. I suggest Chapcom submission of the AoI and BL in early July. (Say, you haven't given your extensive comments on the BL yet, Exec8.) --seav (talk) 02:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Once we finish the review, can we seek the help of a lawyer before we submit it to ChapCom? There could be some legal issues on the By-laws that only professionals may know. Anyo Niminus' lawyer friend offered a free legal service for us.  We can invite his friend to one of our meet-ups.--Jojit (talk) 05:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It is best to have lawyer(s) look at the by-laws this early, this way we can make a better collaboration and provide a simple, fair and legal org document. I therefore move the target date to July 5 and submit to ChapCom on July 6. The 5th PhilWiki Chat will be conducted on June 21 to discuss strategies for the succeeding six weeks of paperworks and to provide support for the delegates of Cebu 1 Meeting and POSS. Manila 4 on the other hand will be on July 13 and there is a possibility that we may need to renew reservation of the corporate name and extend deadline on October 2008. --Exec8 (talk) 14:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, had just seen this, just post on my talk page if you want to get in touch with my friend, so I can forward his contact info. --Anyo Niminus (talk) 09:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

5th PhilWiki Chat and Manila 4

 * 5th PhilWiki Chat
 * Date : June 21, 2008 (Saturday)
 * Time : 6:00 PM till midnight
 * Topic : Cebu 1/ POSS, By-laws, WP:Tambay Awareness through SNS, LGU Project for en & tl wikipedias.
 * Platform: Yahoo Messenger.

Not negotiable for Sunday evening as most of us will go to work/school the following day. --Exec8 (talk) 14:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Diba may meeting on SM Megamall starbucks that day?-- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Manila 4
 * Date: July 13, 2008 (Sunday), tentative
 * Time: 3:00 PM (tentative)
 * Venue: Starbucks SM Megamall (tentative)

Moved to July pending completion of By-laws. Votation set for July 5, 2008. --Exec8 (talk) 14:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Given the slow pace of discussion on the By-laws online, I would recommend setting one or two physical meetups to complete this. Likewise, people should follow up on discussions on a regular basis. (N.B.: for all readers, Wikimedia Philippines is still looking for participants in its activities.  If you are interested, see here.) -- Sky Harbor  12:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Lenticel
I see no WP:TAMBAYS participating in this RfA. Heller! --Efe (talk) 11:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, we didn't know. Besides, it might be thought of as canvassing if Lenticel announced it here. --seav (talk) 14:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So I initiated. =) --Efe (talk) 01:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't know either, but I voted anyway. Starczamora (talk) 20:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Lenticel -- Final (64/0/1); Closed as successful by WjBscribe at 22:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * CONGRATULATIONS!!! --Exec8 (talk) 22:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the "pahabol" support guys! I'll spam thank you individually the moment I figure out what is the best template to use.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If I knew, I'd support. Congrats from us and from WMPH! :D (On a side note, we should have a separate section for adminship nominations). -- Sky Harbor  11:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * At dahil diyan, magpa-burger ka. Starczamora (talk) 14:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Kaya pala you said "Diba may meeting on SM Megamall starbucks that day?" You are about to treat us, sayang we should have a physical meetup on saturday but the 5th PhilWiki Chat would do. --Exec8 (talk) 14:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Buti na lang pala na move yung meeting... Hehe.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Congrats!!!--Nino Gonzales (talk) 03:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia map & GMANews.tv
map of talipao on gmanews.tv --Exec8 (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I sent a polite e-mail by using the "Email to Editor" link in the article. Here's the pertinent part of their reply:

It was an oversight on my part to use the map without acknowledging that it was from wikipedia. I also understand that wikipedia grants permission to copy, distribute and/or modify documents under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. There was no indication that the map in wikipedia was contributed by Mr Gonzalez. Nevertheless, we decided to take out the map from the story.


 * Guys, if you see such uncredited usage of our images, a polite email will often do the trick. I've been successful with ABS-CBN as well. --seav (talk) 14:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorsogon City locator map
According to this site, Bagabato islands (?) are part of Magallanes, Sorsogon. --Filipinayzd (talk) 15:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

A question.
To Tambayan Philippines,

How can I join Tambayan Philippines? Please reply!

Salamat!, --Stevenphil - Mabuhay Pilipino! (talk) 15:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, by editing Philippine-related articles. No! There is no formal way in joining the project. As long as you do something. --Efe (talk) 01:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you can signify your intent to be counted as part of the Tambayan by adding your name to the roster. But other than than, just continue editing Philippine-related articles. --seav (talk) 04:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I see that you already added yourself. :-) --seav (talk) 04:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want, you can add the Filipino Wikipedian userbox to your userpage. Welcome! --Sky Harbor (talk) 14:22, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

POSS updates 20Jun08

 * Wpinas has printed the collateral
 * Participants
 * Bentong - not going due to ideological reasons. Will be around for the 1st Cebu Wikipedia meet-up
 * Nino - I was supposed to give a project management training right after the summit (they would have paid for my fare), but that didn't push through, so I'm not going.
 * Jojit - Not going to POSS but will be around for the 1st Cebu Wikipedia meet-up
 * Kurt - Seems to be pushing through

--Nino Gonzales (talk) 03:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll be there. Looks like I'll be the only one... (I'm dying to see how the Micro$oft honchos are gonna conduct themselves among the Open Source community, lolz!) =) I gave my cp number to Nino, but it seems he's not coming. So where do we hold the meetup guys? And when? &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  12:26, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Article assessment update: C-Class articles
Article assessors: as much as the word dagdag-trabaho is something worth dreading, this is important: the addition of the C-Class article category. There may be Philippine articles that qualify under this classification over "Start" or "B-Class" articles. See this and this, as well as this. --Sky Harbor (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 15:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * arggh! Dagdag trabaho nga-- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No rush. The first step is to assess all articles first. We'll deal with updating them later. --seav (talk) 17:01, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I would recommend using C-Class rankings on articles to be assessed and re-assessing articles as C-Class after all articles have been assessed. That should ease some of the workload. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 01:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Somebody should update the box in Tambayan Philippines/Assessment to show the C-class articles.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... there's still some volatility in the assessment scheme and a discussion on adapting Military History WikiProject's B-class criteria. Let's wait it out before adopting anything. --seav (talk) 10:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Pangasinan Wikipedia
What happened to the Pangasinan Wikipedia? People go there. http://pag.wikipedia.org/. I know I don't speak Pangasinan but that is wrong. Try to click the random page button, and look at what you'll see. Those are not even encyclopedic. I think we should do something about this. They are trying to make a Wiktionary out of their Wikipedia. See the pages under http://pag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Listaan_na_Salitan_Pangasinan. What I understand is that those are definitions, unencyclopedic ones and should be deleted. There are about 2,313 pages that is in pretty much the same format as that. The Wikipedia Pangasinan has aroung 3,100 articles. And also it seems that the person responsible for those unencyclopedic pages is Arikasikis, same person who created the Anti-Tagalog Imperialism Coalition and noticeboard. Again people are creating pages, not articles, to fool themselves and other people that their Wikipedia is large and comprehensive. --  Felipe   Aira  10:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you cannot edit or improve the articles there, leave them alone. Contributors will only be discouraged of writing or translating articles if their contributions are being deleted specially by a non-native user. Re: Ariskasikis, is he/s- a Pangasinan speaker? --Filipinayzd (talk) 12:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * But you'll have to consider that those pages are not even within the scope of Wikipedia, and thus unencyclopedic. If content is unencyclopedic then they should not be included in the encyclopedia. --   Felipe   Aira  13:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems there should be a mass shift of material from pag.wiki to wiktionary. --Soman (talk) 14:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I understand little Pangasinan, cleaning the whole wikipedia alone requires me 10 by 7 work for 1 month. And I observed that user is inactive for sometime now. Maybe I need to get a crash course from my parents who speak Pangasinan and Ilokano :) --Exec8 (talk) 22:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to join the cleanup since it would be mere page deletion, I can use a bot for that; although I would need admin powers for my tl:User:AiraBot in the Pangasinan Wiki. There is a bot script that is designed to delete pages en masse. --   Felipe   Aira  10:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Arikasikis as far as I know is the only active native contributor. From my observation, since no action was taken on the Pangasinan Wiktionary, it was decided to incorporate it into the Wikipedia. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 11:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Which is wrong. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a dictionary. And even so, there is very little chance that this language can even get its own Wiktionary; that assumption is by simply looking at the current activity of the Tagalog Wiktionary (almost none), and the Pangasinan community/Wikipedia being the least active. --   Felipe   Aira  11:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Be advised that the time the Pangasinan Wikipedia request was launched, a request for a Pangasinan Wiktionary was also launched. Both were approved.  However, with the overhaul of the new language requests process (and since our overworked developers did not make the Pangasinan Wiktionary), the request was not carried out in the same way the Ilokano and Cebuano Wiktionaries were subsequently "rejected" despite being approved. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 13:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Philippine LGU Project Reloaded
The 5th Philwiki Chat centered on the need to complete all LGU articles.


 * tl:Talaan ng mga bayan at lungsod sa Pilipinas
 * ceb:Talaan sa mga dakbayan ug mga lungsod sa Pilipinas
 * war:Lista hin mga syudad ngan bungto ha Pilipinas
 * ilo:Category:Dagiti Ili ti Filipinas
 * pam:Category:Ding Balen ning Filipinas
 * pam:Tala da reng lakanbalen at balen king Filipinas
 * bcl:Kategorya:Mga banwaan kan Filipinas
 * bcl:Kategorya:Mga_ciudad_kan_Filipinas
 * bcl:Kategorya:Mga_provincia_kan_Filipinas  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filipinayzd (talk • contribs) 21:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * List of cities and municipalities in the Philippines

The project will involve two phases:
 * 1) Article Completion (start articles), 2000 data
 * 2) Full Completion of Philippine articles in Tagalog, Cebuano/Sinugbuanon, Waray and Ilocano. - June 21 to July 12
 * 3) Partial completion of articles in Pampanga, Bicol, Pangasinan and Chavacano de Zamboanga  - June 21 to August 2
 * 4) Article Development - July 6 until August 31
 * 5) Inclusion of LGU officials (2007-2010 term) using lmp.org.ph and lpp.gov.ph
 * 6) Adding 2007 Population Data without deleting the 2000 data.

I hope we join together to complete this project just like NAIA-3 (almost done but on hiberation mode). --Exec8 (talk) 15:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I notice that the Kapampangan and Pangasinense Wikipedian communities are noticeably detached from the rest of the community, Ilokano to a lesser extent. I wonder how well we can cover those Wikipedias with complete LGU articles. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 03:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

''LGU articles in Kapampangan have been completed sometime winter 2007. Val2397 (talk) 10:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)''

What class assesment an RP LGU article has attained? --Filipinayzd (talk) 15:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Just finished all Bicol LGUs. look! --Filipinayzd (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Mananaliksik and I decide to split Tagalog wiki LGU assignments not parallel edit to finish all LGU start articles. --Exec8 (talk) 23:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Cebuano wikipedia anniversary
Hello tambays, the ceb: wikipedia is having its 3rd foundation anniversary this June 22 (a bit late announcement :=). The cebuano wiki has its first edit on June 25, 2005, now it has more than 34,100 articles and more than 213,000 edits. For tambays who can contribute to the development of cebwiki, you're always welcome (thanks Felipe_Aira for contributing there). Jordz (talk) 06:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I find out that the pam: Kapampangan wikipedia is also having its 3rd foundation anniversary this month. Happy anniversary Kapampangan wikipedia! I think cebwiki and pamwiki are approved at the same time? I have a hard time looking at the exact founding dates (approval dates?) of our wikipedias. Here are the founding anniversary dates (taken from the Main Page, in the absence of which, the first edit date is presented, taken from http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/Sitemap.htm:

Jordz (talk) 07:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * tl: December 2003 (1st edit January 2004; March 24, 2004 here)
 * pam: June 2005
 * war: September 25, 2005
 * ilo: October 8, 2005
 * pag: May 2006
 * cbk-zam: August 2006 (its stats page says October 2, 2006)
 * bcl: (proposed on August 3, 2007) November 24, 2007

Request for adminship
OK, so I asked the WP guys for adminship... What do you think? Blake Gripling (talk) 04:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry about that... Blake Gripling (talk) 05:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck on that. Let's hope the rest of the WP community will support your adminship request (although personally, I wish someone will nominate you). --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 12:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Presidential Official Portraits up for deletion

 * Image:Ph pres arroyo.jpg
 * Image:Ph pres estrada.jpg
 * Image:Ph pres ramos.jpg
 * Image:Ph pres aquino.jpg

I think we should discuss this. We could reason out that official portraits are irreplaceable. On the other hand, we could say that these can be replaced as the subjects of the portraits are still living. Any comments?-- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Smack it with an FU!--Exec8 (talk) 01:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I did but some editors disagree with the FUR as there are free images (but less glamourous) that can be used to replace the portraits. (stupid Philippine IP law) -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What are those "free" images? --Exec8 (talk) 04:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The images on the presidents' infoboxes.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Uhh...
While making regular rounds on the help desk, I see that Judge Floro has asked for help from non-Filipino Wikipedians involving copy-pasting information verbatim from the main namespace to the talk namespace (see it here). He does this particularly when wanting to get suggestions involving editing articles. I have investigated the situation involving his "predicament" and have suggested making a sandbox. Anyone else want to give suggestions? --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 12:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

National Disaster Coordinating Council (Philippines)
I have deleted/stubbed most of National Disaster Coordinating Council (Philippines) as a very blatent copyvio from the organization's web page. I originally speedy deleted it, but it's obviously notable, and have decided I should leave something from which to rebuild. This is a notice so that those with interest and knowledge can reconstruct a page that does not rip off the organization's web page. - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:35, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

New header
Nicely done Seav. --  Felipe   Aira  08:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Now that's a better header for our discussion board... Blake Gripling (talk) 09:20, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Im surprised today. Nice work Kuya. --Efe (talk) 09:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Are we the only ones who did the nice pimpin' called the Tambayan Talkpage Header? (And when I mean pimpin' [for this time], I mean Pimp my Ride) Because if we did, they gettin' jealous. -iaNLOPEZ1115 10:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, for sure... Blake Gripling (talk) 10:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I cleaned up the header text. It didn't sound right when I first read it, nor was it that grammatically correct. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 10:53, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You can take the word "likewise" out. May likewise na, may "also" pa. Redundant yan. Just lurking here, btw... Exec8, I got your message at cbk-zam. Kindly leave the instructions na lang on my userpage @cbk-zam kung ano man ang kailangang gawin ng cbk-zam as part of its contrib to wikimedia Filipinas. I've also included the link to wikimedia Filipinas (Chavacano translation) on cbk-zam's primero pagina. Lastly for Jordz's info, cbk-zam officially became a wikipedia on October 2, 2006. August 2006 was the month when the Jose Rizal page was first created at incubator. That page was the first to migrate to the wikipedia at the time of its creation. --Weekeejames (talk) 11:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Great job Seav, by the way do you think it would be bagay if we also produce a gray theme for the tambayan's talk page to match the gray header. See my moss green/ forest green talk page for inspiration and coding.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Forest green reminds me of the Indonesian Wikipedia project page design (BTW, this one happened to be the page on Wikimedia Indonesia). --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 13:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks y'all! I actually plan on using the same header on all of our Tambayan pages so that everything looks nice and spiffy. Just started this here to get your input. :-) --seav (talk) 14:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool! Astig! --Exec8 (talk) 01:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Kuya, di bumagay ang talk page tsaka ang project page. What do you think? --Efe (talk) 03:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Psst... Seav, do you do user pages too? I think I have the noobiest userpage.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I have seen practically all the regional notice boards when I did the invitations for POSS. Ours is pretty good. In 80's lingo, hanep!--Nino Gonzales (talk) 01:24, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I put the header in the assessment department page. Looks nice, save for too much white. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 12:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

User:GoblinTech and Angel Locsin
OK, so Spellcast has already blocked him, due to the account being a sock of Gerald; I've noticed that his contributions are obviously copywrong, due to the fact that he steals a magazine cover or a promotional image, posts it in his own Flickr page, and then uses the Flickr stuff as an excuse for him to do so, claiming that the images are under the Creative Commons license:

Angel Locsin in T3 Magazine by GoblinTech is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 UK: England & Wales License.Based on a work at www.flickr.com/photos/goblintech/2615595698/" rel="dc:source.Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available at www.flickr.com/photos/goblintech/2615595698/" rel="cc:morePermissions.

But, as we all know, Summit Media holds the rights to the magazine, and Goblin, or Gerald, has no rights to claim it as his, or tag a Creative Commons license on it, unless if he made a parody of it, to which the license may apply. I added a comment regarding his photostream and this photo:

However, it is obviously copyrighted, regarding your upload in Wikipedia. Summit Media holds the rights to the image, you CANNOT claim it as yours or as something under the Creative Commons license.

I also reported him to the Flickr admin regarding his breach of guidelines, since the photos are copyvio, and the site guidelines say that "Do upload content that you have created. Respect the copyright of others. This means don't steal photos or videos that other people have shared and pass them off as your own."... Any thoughts on this? Blake Gripling (talk) 00:57, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You did the right thing there in reporting him to Flickr. However, that is a matter that can be best resolved by the Flickr peepz, so let's let them take this Flickr-related copyvio issue into their own hands. In the meantime, I've noticed that you did remove the now-deleted image references, so I think the article looks fine (for now). A better way of explaining what passes off as "uploading content that you have created" is this: "a photo you took of Angel Locsin when you spotted her in (say) Mall of Asia is good, but a photo you took of Angel Locsin's ad in a magazine isn't." Tagalugin mo kung kelangan, at pag hindi pa rin nya nakuha...ipa-Comfy Chair Torture mo kay Cardinal Ximenez, Cardinal Biggles at Cardinal Fangs (lolz) --- Tito Pao (talk) 01:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. And I'm waiting for his Flickr account to be taken down, too... Blake Gripling (talk) 03:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Melgar, Basilisa
Is this barangay-related article legit? --Efe (talk) 12:56, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Move it to Melgar, Basilisa, Dinagat Islands if it were. Depends though on notability.  The barangay is certainly notable to the residents of the barangay and the municipality, but I'm not sure outside of the municipality. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 13:56, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Manila 4
Before we move discussions to its page, I ask your inputs whether you'll be available. Please fill the table so we can make a consensus. Topic will be focused at the pending By-laws and WMPH incorporation. We also need to discuss some things like the regional language wikipedia development and the result of Cebu 1 (I am not aware if "Frank" suspends that meetup). --Exec8 (talk) 21:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a bright and sunny day in Cebu last June 23 and 24. :) I attended the second day of the summit and I accompanied my wife at E-governance seminar at the second floor of the CICC.  For the result of Cebu 1, see this.  By the way, I already have my cedula and I will post it at the meta in a few minutes.  --Jojit (talk) 07:13, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Availability for Manila 4

Follow-up: I have invited one of the Wikipedians of the Tagalog Wikipedia to Manila 4. He is suggesting that we use the CCP Little Theater Lobby (otherwise known as the Bulwagang Carlos V. Francisco) as the meeting place (he has connections to the CCP staff as the creator of the official CCP Frienster profile). Study tour, anyone (and a chance for free pics of the PICC, the Sofitel Philippine Plaza, the BSP and the CCP for the Wikipedias)? --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 14:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Presidential portraits
The official portrait of President Arroyo was deleted despite three keep votes and no opposes. Deletion review, anyone? --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 09:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the argument is if the official portraits are that important when other freely licensed photos are available. -- Howard  the   Duck  13:51, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A section regarding the portraits in the president's article will qualify the inclusion of the portraits as fair use. -- bluemask (talk) 10:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 1301 of the articles assigned to this project, or 20.1%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 2008-06-18.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subsribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Right now, I'm expecting a backlash from this user, because of his record. This user obviously does not know the ropes here in Wikipedia, especially with his GMA Network Logos article, which obviously clasehes with WP:NFCC. I've just validly reverted his edits on Pinoy Idol because he primped it into an ad-like article (like this), which is clashing with WP:ADVERT. But with my history with this guy, he is one who could not be minded very easily, especially when he flamed me through an e-mail (which I showed to Lenticel). Can anyone help me in dealing this guy. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 11:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh God, his edit was so PR-ish. Starczamora (talk) 13:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And, may I add, he is filibustering to the hilt. Starczamora (talk) 15:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
 * The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
 * The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
 * A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.

Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot  ( Disable )  21:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

6th PhilWiki Chat and Manila 4

 * 6th Philwiki Chat


 * Date : July 12, 2008
 * Time : 6:00 PM until 11:59 PM (1000 - 1559 UTC)
 * Platform : Yahoo Messenger
 * Topics :
 * Possible suspension of plans for WMPH incorporation, target resumption on February 2009. By-laws discussion will remain active.
 * Invitation of more users in Philippine wikipedia projects including regional language wikis.
 * Completion of LGU start articles in TL wikipedia.
 * Promotion of regional language wikipedia projects (with TL wikibooks and TL wiktionary)
 * Help with Pangasinan and Ilocano wikipedias
 * Deletion review, Intellectual Property strategy and the use of wikimedia commons.

Manila 4
July 12 at Starbucks might not work. As shown on one discussion section above, I am open switching venue to CCP (never been to CCP since High School). I recommend July 19 at 2pm but it depends (again) on your availability and willingness to go to CCP. I am willing to spend up to PhP 1500 for snacks and drinks for participants (yeah I did something like that on Manila 1). We can discuss language translations of places like "Southern Leyte" or "Autonomous Region on Muslim Mindanao" with resource speakers. --Exec8 (talk) 00:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Invitation
On behalf of the Tagalog Wikipedia community, I am inviting all distinguished and active DYK authors here at the English-language Wikipedia to please kindly translate your Philippine-related DYK'd articles and post them at Tagalog Wikipedia. We can definitely use them as Alam Ba Ninyo? feature articles. Thank you in advance. - DaughterofSun (talk) 00:06, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Milestone
Every thousand? --Filipinayzd (talk) 02:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * By the time it reaches 20,000, this should be done every 2000-5000 articles. The archiving of Philippine Wikimedia history here is becoming very tedious. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 02:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Gabriel mark and his Wiki-Attack
GMA Network fanboy User:Gabriel mark has been on the frenzy editing Wyngard Tracy, an article I started, into deletion (but he seems to have no idea how to nominate an article for deletion). This all started when I nominated his template Template:Pinoy Idol 1 for deletion, and rightfully so if I may say so. Starczamora (talk) 07:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The best thing I can think of to remedy this is to report him to WP:AN/I. May be someone will do something about him. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:17, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * He has been blocked for three months.--Jondel (talk) 00:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It has been reversed, however, after another admin granted Gabriel mark's request for an unblock. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

bicol region
can you put time travel of between its provinces —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.152.88 (talk) 10:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You are asking at the wrong website. Go to Wikitravel instead. Starczamora (talk) 14:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Second, third opinions needed on Lapu-Lapu
Hello!

I'm not positive if this is just one editor on a dynamic IP or if there are more people involved in this but someone keeps inserting a claim that Lapu-Lapu was Muslim citing this link as a source as well as a supposed press release by the government in this dead link. Could we get some opinions on this? Was he really Muslim and can this be verified? I don't even know if the source provided can be considered a reliable source to begin with.

Thanks! SWik78 (talk • contribs) 15:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Although Lapu-Lapu as a Muslim is not being taught in mainstream history classes in Manila, there are some historical annals that refer to him as Kaliph Pulaka (source), a Muslim chieftain of Tausug lineage. Starczamora (talk) 17:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've come across a few books which mention his Muslim ancestry. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 18:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Pinoy admins
So the following are Tambayan-affiliated admins I'm aware of:
 * TheCoffee - since August 2005
 * Jondel - since August 2005
 * Ancheta Wis - since December 2005
 * Chris S. - since July 2006
 * Lenticel - since June 2008

Am I missing anyone?

Also a note to the admins: if there are content disputes among Filipinos leading to disruptive behavior, it would be best if non-Filipino admins do the admin duties or cliquish behavior would result. I'm referring particularly to the recent punitative blocking of. --seav (talk) 03:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * we operate a regular pinoy cabal here I agree. --Jondel (talk) 04:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, that's why I only advise not act in the issue with Webwires.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that much. Mediating conflicts like that of Webwires should be done in the grassroots level, like Pinoy admins should intervene. However, "if symptoms persist, consult another doctor". =) --Efe (talk) 07:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Bcl admin access request
Currently, there is no admin and community in Bcl. Your support here. Mabalos! (Will repay). --Filipinayzd (talk) 15:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to those who responded. --Filipinayzd (talk) 22:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Tagalog Wikipedia admiship nomination
Hey people, I'm just posting this to remind you all that tl:User:AnakngAraw is still under RfA. She is also working here at User:DaughterofSun. And as a matter of fact, she's actually a rollbacker here at en. She is a very active Tagalog Wikipedian, and she has made a lot of contributions; in her first months she already had >6,000 edits today maybe almost 10,000. Just look at her talk page at tl and en how it is decorated with lots of barnstars and thanks. It would be really helpful if there will be more Tagalog admins, especially now that vandalism is at a very high rate; and she is actually a vandal fighter herself at tl. She could certainly use admin tools. So I encourage you to vote at tl:Wikipedia:Nominasyon para sa Tagapangasiwa ng Wikipedia Tagalog. --  Felipe   Aira  13:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

New: Jose "Pete" Lacaba
Created by User:Drakesketchit. Uthanc (talk) 18:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Tanauan City
Can someone semi-protect this for a month? Or block 59.154.26.124 for a month, although I don't think that's feasible so the semi-protect maybe a better idea. -- Howard  the   Duck  03:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Mindoro Occidental
To whom this may concern,

My friend (ken8dp) and i are trying to upload historical materials for our home province of occidental mindoro. We thought that through wikipedia, materials that members of our group have painstakingly researched would reach a wider readership through wikipedia. We haven't uploaded articles in wikipedia before, so please bear with us. Our first attempt at uploading (we started with the history of Calintaan, one of the municipalities in our province) has been dubbed as a possible copyright infringement and not "wikified."

We understand the latter, as there are still a million things to learn in "wikifying" but we've got a go signal from the authors of the historical articles to upload the entire material. Please let us now what proof you need for this. Do you want to talk to the author via ym? Does the author need to send an email to a wikipedia adminstrator? We apologize for asking what perhaps to you are stupid questions, but we are determined to learn, and get our materials in Wikipedia. So again, please bear us with us.

Sikatuna sunset (talk) 23:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ronet, welcome to wikipedia. I would be happy to help you out. There is no need to send an email. Be sure to display your sources as reference. Best regards --Jondel (talk) 00:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Jondel, thanks, I am familiarizing myself with "wikifying," reading up to the links provided by your colleague Ttony21...I guess the history of the barangays of Calintaan that you deleted will have to be uploaded in separate pages. I do not know how to do that yet, but I will learn. Thanks again. Sikatuna sunset (talk) 23:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sikatuna/Ronet, yes you can create a separate article and put something like: See history of barangays of Calintaan. You can also put it on the same page but rewrite . The reason I deleted is because you really can not put a word-for-word copy. You will really get into trouble with other editors(not just me). I was too tired also to rewrite. You can by the way put the History of barangays but you need to rewrite, use different words. I can work on this too. It is also good that you put references. I'd like to remind you to read the bottom outside the edit box where it says:If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it.(Not that people here are horrible vandalizers ). Really it is better that we coordinate than getting into conflict with other editors. Cheers--Jondel (talk) 23:31, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Jondel, I have done some cleanups on the History of Calintaan article already. OK I will re-upload the history of the specific barangays, by re-writing these. It seems best to put these in the Calintaan pages. I actually do not know how to create a separate section within the same page. Is it simply by using headings? Are the headings automatically generated in the table of contents. Thanks for the help and the patience.

Sikatuna sunset (talk) 22:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * What I meant before was create a separate article e.g. History of Barangays of Calintaan. It might be susceptible to deletion for notability, then we really have to fight to for it to prevail here in wikipedia. But then again nobody will mind. You can also just continue writing within the old paragraph. Just use the equals sign: == History of Barangays of Calintaan== like when you create a separate paragraph. However on some browers, that will prolong uploading the article of Calintaan. That would be testing the patience of the viewers wouldn't it?  Anyway, you decide.I hope things work out.Jondel (talk) 23:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, what I just did was to start a new section. I placed a note for people to make comments. I started with the first barangay. Now my question is: How does the article get to become a new page, instead of just a "talk page?" If I am not making sense, please let me know. Once I get a better handle on this, I'll upload (rewrite) the articles on the other barangays of Calintaan. cheers

Sikatuna sunset (talk) 23:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Congrats on the new section. You can simply create a new article, if you want to, eg History of the Barangays of.. . You may have to establish notability and monitor or guard it for a while. I 've lost some articles because I couldn't maintain them. There is a wiki dictum: Be bold. There should be other articles of a similar nature, you can reference this when there are arguments of non-notability.--Jondel (talk) 00:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

When user pages are redirected to actual articles
I've come across some Filipino users/ possible socks that have been redirecting their user pages to actual articles such as Luvlife Cheer to ABS-CBN and Madapaka to Lobo. Since they are redirected, I cannot view the history as to who redirected them in the first place (although I am aware the Madapaka's user page was redirected by User:Consciously Unique, who is a suspected Gerard Gonzales sock). Starczamora (talk) 17:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You can still access the user page although its redirected. In the redirected page, see the article's title, then something like this pops up: "(Redirected from User:Madapaka)". Click the link then you have it. =) --Efe (talk) 11:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've redirected Madapaka's user page to his own discussion page. I've also added a sock template to Luvlife Cheer's userpage. This account is obviously a sock of User:Gerald Gonzalez. -Danngarcia (talk) 22:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Adding to the fact that Gerald is attempting to upload copyvio photos again... Blake Gripling (talk) 23:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Armscor-JH01.jpg|thumb|101px|right|If in-Wikipedia sanctions don't work, I hope this will.]] All in favor of finishing Gerald Gonzalez off with the weapon featured in the chosen pic on the right, say "I". Anyone who opposes the said move, please invoke Wikipieda:Civility or state your reasons below.

-iaNLOPEZ1115 09:44, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm issuing a fatwa on Gerald! Death to the infidel Gerald! :D--Jondel (talk) 00:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Assessment Department Update (July 2008)
Since the last update in April, we have tagged about 900 articles as part of the Philippine-related articles assessment drive. There are still approximately 2,500 articles left to tag. The bulk tagging of past articles is the first phase of the Assessment department's activities. Let's continue clear up the backlog, people! :-)

By the way, please go to this section to install a user script that greatly simplifies the tagging. Combine this script with a tabbed browser and you should be able to tag 100 articles in 15 minutes.

--From your self-appointed Assessment Department Chairman, --seav (talk) 14:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

History of San Jose
Hello, I'd like to know the reference for Sinaoga being the site of the first presidencia in Occidental Mindoro as stated in the History of San Jose article. I grew up in that island and is of course interested to know more. The island has experienced a lot of changes (ecologically) in the last 40 years. And Mangarin Bay where it it located has been silted so much, it does not look like a bay anymore like how it was before the Spaniards came. So I would be interested in the source of this information.

I would also like to know the source for the information that San Jose became a municipality in 1911. What I know is that it became a municipality by virtue of Executive Order 31 signed by Governor General Cameroon Forbes on April 18, 1910. So the foundation day of the municipality should be 1910, not 1911! If my townmates rely on the information in that article, we would be celebrating our 100th year foundation day in 1911, not 1910! Would appreciate any help, perhaps we got the date wrong. Thanks.

Sikatuna sunset (talk) 23:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Philippine LGUs on other language Wikipedias
Ok, which Philippine language Wikipedias would like an automated upload of articles for cities/municipalities? I've got a wonderful bot for this stuff and I know how to use it. Plus, a spreadsheet with data for all the towns with the following fields: If anyone would like a bot to do the work of creating 1600~ articles for some other language Wiki, just give me a template for what to do with this data. TheCoffee (talk) 09:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Name: Butuan
 * Alternative name: --
 * City/Municipality: City
 * Capital: Capital
 * Province: Agusan del Norte
 * City class: Highly Urbanized
 * Income class: 1st Class
 * Population: 267279
 * Registered voters: 140632
 * PSGC code: 160202
 * HASC code: PH.AN.BT
 * How about just apply it to all Wikipedias. This is a great time-saver, and with this people would rather be writing articles than updating statistics. Although personally, I am not dedicated enough to put a great amount of time to make templates such as that. Great work though. --   Felipe   Aira  11:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you create a bot that creates Philippine municipality stubs? The article includes: introduction (default class: 4th since most of them are 4th class; blank/??? for 2007 pop.; section and intro for Barangays - to be corrected/supplied manually), locator map, external links (just the 2000 census and nscb links) and the interwiki. --Filipinayzd (talk) 15:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

For Bcl: An  sarong ikaapat na klaseng banwaan sa provincia kan, Filipinas. Segun sa sensus kan 2007, igwang ??? katawo na nag-eerok digdi. Mga barangay Nababanga an sa ??? barangay. Mga panluwas na takod --Filipinayzd (talk) 15:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Philippine Standard Geographic Code
 * 2000 Philippine Census Information or the 2007 Census link

Yeah its a great help. I noticed in German Wikipedia, it has one data bank of all population by municipality, city and provinces and distribute it in all infoboxes. It also has the GPS location. I suggest if we can have one databank for local political leaders, population, and economic class that can change through time, that would be great. --Exec8 (talk) 22:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know if other will be in agreement with me. Since some LGU articles have been inundated with the LGU officials, I have found ways to accommodate it in Antipolo City's infobox (a drop down list for city council members). --Scorpion prinz (Talk 08:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, this will have to wait for a bit. I still need to gather more fields like the latest (2007) population numbers, names of barangays, etc. TheCoffee (talk) 11:01, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Trivia/Did you know that
--Jondel (talk) 00:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In Visayan, two is duha: compare with:Latin:duo -ae -o irreg. num. [two]. Greek: two": *duwō (> Myc. du-wo /duwō/; Hom. δύω, dyō; Att.-Ion. δύο, dyo)
 * The Tagalog word for bula is similar and possibly a cognate of Latin, bulla. I don't think the Taglalog word for bubble came from Spanish which is burbuja. Supposedly all languages are related. Latin for bubble is [ bulla -ae f. [a round swelling]- in water, [a bubble]].
 * The word tatai meaning father can be found in Romanian and ancient latin, the ancestor of the latin word atai(atta, attae father ). Maybe it is easy for babies to pronounce this word. There is a similar word 'tatle' in Nahuatle.
 * To drink in Tagalog, inum is similar to Japanese, nomu.
 * To grasp in Tagalog is kapit.: Compare with the past tense of Latin: cepit.(3rd person of cepere).
 * Sabon has many variants in Hindi, Indonesian, Malaysian (Sabun ,Sebun etc), they all mean soap. In latin btw it is sapo, saponis.
 * The first Pinoy -Italian dictionary was created by Pigafetta together with the slave, (whom I believe is Cebuano), Enrique. He thought, Malay was generic and spoken all over the Malay region(Phil.,Indone.,Malaysia). Upon examining, the words were found to be Cebuano. There is still no wiki article written on this.
 * The word 'lima' meaning 5 is found from Madasgar, all the way to Hawaii , (I think).
 * I translated Luzon, as Luconia in the Latin wiki as can be found in ancient maps. Luconia , I think is a cognate for Ilocano. Also, nearby , there are the straits of Luconia.


 * The 'lima' is not surprising. Malagasy and Hawaiian and Tagalog are all part of the Malayo-Polynesian languages. --seav (talk) 04:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Possible also because the five fingers of the hand served as a good reference point for counting. ('Talk to the hand' - The Terminator  :D )--Jondel (talk) 09:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Jondel, the Luzon - Iloco linguistic connection has had me tantalized for over a year. Do you know any references for that? Alternativity (talk) 09:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There is an old map which I can locate off the web but it will take some time & effort.(sorry natamad lang ako :D, but I wil do it ) Anyway do you want to see this map? In it Luzon is Luconia. Nearby there is a Luconia straits possibly derived from the old name of Luzon. It has hard to find substantial proof though of the connection between Luconia and Ilocano. --Jondel (talk) 09:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Tons of maps where Luzon is referred to as Luconia--Jondel (talk) 01:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia on Bandila
Please keep your TV sets tuned to Bandila if ever you read this message. There is a news piece warning students about the inaccuracy of online information, and Wikipedia will take a direct hit from this. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 15:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Correction: Wikipedia took a direct hit. The news piece highlighted the "ease of editing" of Wikipedia and how it can be easily made inaccurate.  This is in addition to other websites with deliberately misleading information. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 15:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Did they try to interview people who try to edit Wikipedia to be as accurate as possible in order to ensure fair and balanced reporting? Oh, let me guess, they did not. Starczamora (talk) 17:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * But they have articles on the abs-cbnnews.com site that references wikipedia. -- bluemask (talk) 02:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It’s not really balanced reporting if the report is centered on Wikipedia. Although I agree that Wikipedia is not that accurate as stated in the general disclaimer and correctness of Wikipedia articles has always been criticized. At least here in Wikipedia, anyone can correct an article unlike in television. --Jojit (talk) 01:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Did they tried interviewing us Wikipedians about it? Or is this some biased, one-sided bashing of WP without further research or other confirmations? No offense, but can't they bash WikiFilipinas instead, since their policy leans towards conflict of interest, or read the disclaimers instead? "Oh, let me guess, they did not." Hehe, and to think they reference WP for some stuff. Does this qualifies as libel? Hmm, maybe, because the reports seemed to be leaning on criticizing the project; even if we admit that there are some factual errors, efforts are made to correct it in a scholarly acceptable manner. Blake Gripling (talk) 10:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The video clip is not available, but I recorded it. By the way, here's a link. --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 12:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's just natural that Wikipedians make mistakes; it may sound like it's warning kids to confirm stuff before passing it to the teacher, but even paper encyclopedias can harbor errors, too. It's hard to make an article that's 100-percent correct... Email ABS regarding this fiasco, anyone? Blake Gripling (talk) 12:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it's ok. I very much doubt Wikipedia's reputation would be severely damaged much more because of Bandila. Hopefully, we can get more new editors! (And hopefully not the fanboy types.) --seav (talk) 02:26, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

new page watch
I just stumbled upon a new article in the Philippines provincial section in the List of Student Newspapers article. Check out The Sumilang Chronicles under Cavite State University- Silang Campus. Added some tags there. the university article also had a notability tag. just letting you guys know. ty. --Eaglestorm (talk) 17:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Sumilang2008 is responsible for the POV/press-release edits. His contributions show that it is just a single-purpose, promotional account. I'll warn him for that... Blake Gripling (talk) 13:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget your daily dilbert

 * The chosen one--Jondel (talk) 07:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Stats

 * See also: Tambayan Philippines/Statistics

Here's the pageviews for June. Short summary: this is the best month for TL. Why? I can say it's from the flood of students doing their researches about Sibika and Social Studies. Just posting this for someone who's interested. --  Felipe   Aira  10:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)




 * Impressive. =) --Efe (talk) 10:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Researches in Filipino too. Btw, Bcl has reached 690 articles surpassing Cbk-zam. --Filipinayzd (talk) 11:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Nice job Filipinayzd, and other Bcl people! --   Felipe   Aira  11:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

New stats published by stats.wikimedia.org
Hey it (the new stats) just came in around 3 days ago. This shows the stats until May. I'll be publishing new images tomorrow. And also here is the current rank in terms of activity (number of active editors - with more than 5 edits per month). --  Felipe   Aira  13:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) Tagalog Wikipedia - 42 active Wikipedians
 * 2) Cebuano Wikipedia - 32
 * 3) Kapampangan Wikipedia - 15
 * 4) Waray Wikipedia - 13
 * 5) Bikol Central Wikipedia - 12
 * 6) Ilokano Wikipedia - 11
 * 7) Chavacano de Zamboanga - 10
 * 8) Pangasinan Wikipedia - 8

Just uploaded the new stats. See Tambayan Philippines/Statistics.

Shariff Kabunsuan is now defunct
The Supreme Court has declared the creation of the province of Shariff Kabunsuan in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao void and ruled that the power of ARMM’s legislature to create provinces and cities is unconstitutional.

The SC, in an 8-6 vote, declared void Muslim Mindanao Autonomy Act 201, which created the province of Shariff Kabunsuan, which was carved out of Maguindanao province. --Exec8 (talk) 04:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow. Good thing we didn't bother making individual locator maps for the municipalities. TheCoffee (talk) 06:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not yet final (too close to call, just one vote might change it, 8-6). Note, this year and next year, about 4 S.C. Justices will retire and will be replaced. So, under the Rules, appeal can be filed within 15 days, and the Court might not be able to act on this. When an appeal is filed, the judgment is vacated, that is, as if there is none (called "trial de novo." in old Rules), subject to Resolution. Here: they will appeal -"Shariff Kabunsuan govt execs to appeal SC decision." This spares Wikipedians from creating maps images, etc.--Florentino floro (talk) 12:17, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The SC hasn't reconsidered its decision. Ever. -- Howard  the   Duck  14:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's wait til it's executory and final. With regard to reconsidering decisions, it has, provided new arguments are presented. I know for a fact, the case where Jehovah's Witness students were exempted from pledging loyalty to the flag. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 18:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that the decision is effective immediately, and as of now the Province of Shariff Kabunsuan no longer exists. That's how the news articles are talking. (But then again, The Inquirer even got the number of provinces wrong-- it's down to 80 now, not 79) TheCoffee (talk) 04:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I sent a feedback to Inquirer.net through their feedback form. 79? Sloppy reporting! --seav (talk) 08:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Is moving the municipalities articles to Maguindanao a go? -- bluemask (talk) 07:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I prefer waiting for the brouhaha to die down first. I'm not in favor of changing a lot of articles to reflect something like this if there's a chance that we would revert our changes again. --seav (talk) 08:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The decision can still be appealed, I don't think provincial officials of Shariff Kabunsuan are just willing to lose their jobs just yet without lifting a finger, unless no appeal is filed. I side with seav, lest we revert back the articles again. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 09:14, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sema v. Comelec - the Aftermath is legally horrifying. There is total disarray, chaos, and many are now displaced. If you read the full text of the decision,, there seems no Injunction filed or request for stay. The Rules of Court provides that in Injunction cases, the decision is immediately executory, but these cases are first in legal history. They must file Motion to Clarify, upon (pending) appeal, etc. Will the jobless guys be given salary, will the Governor be able to sign papers, release the budget? There has been no case like this since 1901. Worst, why did this thing just happen now, after huge amount of money was spent in the successful plebiscite. Who is to blame? Only one answer: Sema, since Dingalen booted this loosing candidate. This case is really a counter suit against Dingalen, resulting to legal and administrative chaos.--Florentino floro (talk) 11:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles to update
The following articles (or pages) that refers to Shariff Kabunsuan might need to be updated. -- bluemask  (talk) 07:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Provinces of the Philippines
 * List of Philippine-related topics
 * Cities of the Philippines
 * WikiProject Philippine LGUs/Province template
 * Municipalities of the Philippines
 * House of Representatives of the Philippines
 * Maguindanao
 * Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao
 * List of places named after people
 * Barira, Shariff Kabunsuan
 * Buldon, Shariff Kabunsuan
 * Datu Odin Sinsuat, Shariff Kabunsuan
 * Kabuntalan, Shariff Kabunsuan
 * Sultan Kudarat, Shariff Kabunsuan
 * Parang, Shariff Kabunsuan
 * Upi, Shariff Kabunsuan
 * Matanog, Shariff Kabunsuan
 * Sultan Mastura, Shariff Kabunsuan
 * List of cities and municipalities in the Philippines
 * 2006 in the Philippines
 * Administrative divisions of the Philippines
 * Awang Airport
 * Template:Philippines political divisions
 * Template:Shariff Kabunsuan
 * Shariff Kabunsuan creation plebiscite, 2006
 * Datu Blah T. Sinsuat, Shariff Kabunsuan
 * Legislative districts of the Philippines
 * List of Philippine provinces by population
 * 14th Congress of the Philippines
 * Island groups of the Philippines
 * List of Governors in the Philippines
 * Legislative district of Shariff Kabunsuan
 * Template:Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao
 * Northern Kabuntalan, Shariff Kabunsuan
 * Template:Philippine provinces
 * Image:Ph ARMM.png
 * Template:Philippines administrative imagemap
 * Telephone numbers in the Philippines
 * List of Philippine provincial name etymologies
 * Image:Ph seal shariff kabunsuan.png
 * Template:Philippines Provincial Capitals
 * Pimentel III vs. Zubiri Senate Electoral Protest

ARMM to be expanded?
As if our problems are not enough: Plebiscites might be held in Palawan, Lanao del Norte, Sultan Kudarat, North Cotabato and Zamboanga Sibugay. I hope that the new composition won't become a piecemeal thing like Isabela City-Basilan. --seav (talk) 12:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Journal Online
I observed that some articles are citing Journal Online and by now, most of the cited articles are broken. I found out that as of today, articles posted before 2008-06-08 are not available on the said website. I suggest using WebCite to archive the articles first before using them as a citation for any Wikipedia articles. -- bluemask (talk) 06:35, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's Journal Online fault. All the articles posted the previous day are removed the next day, and its archive is non-existent. You could only rely on citing Journal article if you find that article through search engines.  Starczamora (talk) 14:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Late 19th Century Flag of Sulu
Can anyone confirm the existence of this flag? -- bluemask (talk) 09:54, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ask the author to provide the source. Starczamora (talk) 14:31, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe this is the flag used by the sultan, more like of a royal banner, not the flag of the sultanate itself. --Scorpion prinz (Talk 09:46, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Manila 4 (formerly First Wikipedia Tambayan Gimik)
I invite you next week for the first gimik of the Wikipedia Tambayan. We cant make it as Manila 4 since it is informal. Two wikipedians already provided their intent. If we are less than 10, its my treat!


 * July 19, 2008 (Saturday)
 * 2:00 PM
 * SM Mall of Asia. Figaro, second floor near Food court and Ice Skating rink.

Possible places to visit:
 * Seaside restaurants in San Miguel by the Bay
 * CCP Cinemalaya

So if you are interested, include your name in the list.


 * List of Attendees


 * 1) Exec8 --Exec8 (talk) 12:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Jojit_fb
 * Delfin Dakila
 * 1) seav


 * It turned out to be Manila 4 since technically no gimik happened, and no visit to CCP for cinemalaya.
 * Actual list of attendees include:


 * 1) Exec8
 * 2) Jojit_fb
 * Katimawan2005 of Kapampangan wiki.
 * We used the opportunity to formally invite him and Val2397 to Tambayan Philippines. Katimawan2005 agreed to provide assistance for the creation of Wikimedia Philippines (hopefully to resume February 2009). We also discussed the Kapampangan language completion of LGU articles and possible creation of Kapampangan wiktionaty incubator. Jojit and I expressed support for Katimawan2005 and Val2397's elevation as bureaucrat in the the Kapampangan wikipedia.

Most likely Manila 5 might also happen in SM Mall of Asia on September 13 or September 14, 2008 in time of this event. --Exec8 (talk) 12:31, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Topics discussed
--Jojit (talk) 06:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia Philippines
 * Legal advice
 * Issues on By-laws
 * Name registration extension
 * Philippine-based Wikipedias
 * Translations of LGU articles into Kapampangan and Tagalog Wikipedias
 * Standards in orthography especially in the interface and technical articles
 * Supporting other Philippine-based Wikimedia projects like Pangasinan Wikipedia
 * Promotion of Wikipedia
 * Katimawan2005 will have a talk in San Fernando, Pampanga and Wikipedia will be promoted there. The poster and hands-out used in Cebu 1 will be utilized.
 * Participation of Kapampangan Wikipedians in Tambayan Philippines
 * Katimawan2005 and Val2397's elevation as bureaucrat in the Kapampangan Wikipedia.
 * Creation of Kapampangan Wiktionary

Judiel Nieva
Hola mga Tambay! New article may need help: infobox actor instead of infobox person? date of birth? birthplace? pic (in two-piece suit, maybe)? Also, maybe someone wants to craft a hook for DYK. &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  <sup style="color:olive;">Speak!  10:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ...that transwoman actor Judiel Nieva was once sought out as a healer and visionary?-- Lenticel ( talk ) 15:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool! and kinda weird too. lolz! &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  <sup style="color:olive;">Speak!  15:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I already nommed it. Good luck.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We got another DYK, thanks Lenticel! &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  <sup style="color:olive;">Speak!  05:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)