Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 52

Imported music common between PH, MY, ID, SG, HK and TW
Maybe I just rekindled a discussion about Western songs and artists largely known in PH, but I just found out some artists and songs mostly known in PH are also known to some degree in Indonesia, Malaysia or even Hong Kong and Taiwan/ROC. It seems there is this similarity in between PH, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and also Hong Kong and Taiwan in regard to popular imported music that might be discussed in some article (in a similar vein to "big in Japan"). Just noticed some Filipino artists like Regine, Christian Bautista and Jose Mari Chan have some following in Indonesia (through their English songs) from a cursory glance of Indonesia imported music playlists on Spotify. Other similarities between PH, Indonesia, (and to some degree HK) is with things like adult contemporary music (sentimental songs, including from artists not well known in the West, popular on radio), imported 90s-00s boy bands (Westlife and A1 in particular), and dance music (Eurodance popular also on radio, "Dying Inside" also a 90s best-selling single across maritime SEA). Maybe this is discussed already in articles of the artists and songs largely known in either PH or ID, but is this something worth an article to discuss about or something best discussed at least briefly in each country's/territory's "Music of X" article? TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 10:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * There is Music of Southeast Asia, although it's less an article than a disambiguation page. This does seem to be a topic that is covered in sources, ,, so observations could be placed somewhere. CMD (talk) 15:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I just read one of the sources, but I didn't find anything about Western/imported music in particular, especially things like ballads or dance music predominant on radio. In particular are Western AC or dance hits that feature heavily on PH/ID/MY/SG/HK/TW radio programming and had popularity in those countries. Well, most of such songs did chart in the West and/or Japan, but there are lots of those that are largely known within SEA/HK/TW due to record sales, radio airplay and cover releases from local artists. With the exclusion of the majority which charted in multiple Western countries plus Japan, such examples are:
 * Rainbow's "Temple of the King" (single released in SEA only, as well as New Zealand and South America)
 * Queen's "Love of My Life" (single from A Night at the Opera; recurrent on PH radio; actually also best-selling single in South America, esp. Argentina)
 * Rex Smith's "Simply Jessie" (recurrent on PH radio, and had some cover versions by PH artists; actually have charted for 6 weeks on 1979 US Billboard Easy Listening/Adult Contemporary chart)
 * George Benson "Nothing's Gonna Change My Love for You" original version (recurrents on PH/ID radio; later version by Glenn Medeiros charted in US, Canada, UK and Europe)
 * Scorpions' power ballads "Holiday", "Always Somewhere" and "When the Smoke is Going Down" (album tracks from Lovedrive and Blackout, all never released as singles; recurrents on PH radio)
 * Nazareth's power ballad "Where are You Now?" (album track from Sound Elixir)
 * Cliff Richard's "Ocean Deep" (recurrent in PH/HK radio; have cover versions from PH artists, also has Cantonese cover versions in HK)
 * Russell Hitchcock's "Someone Who Believes" and "I Can't Believe My Eyes" (singles as solo artist outside Air Supply; recurrent on PH radio)
 * Timmy Thomas's "Dying Inside (to Hold You)" (PH/ID/MY/SG best-selling single in the 90s by certified or claimed sales; has PH cover version by Darren Espanto)
 * Chris Norman's "Some Hearts are Diamonds" (PH AC radio recurrents; actually also had charted in Germany)
 * Steelheart's power ballad "She's Gone" (from debut album; recurrent on PH radio; actually had charted on US Billboard Hot 100)
 * White Lion's power ballads "You're All I Need" and "Till Death Do Us Part" (singles from Mane Attraction; recurrents on PH/ID radio)
 * Rick Price's "Heaven Knows" (from his SEA bestseller album in the 90s)
 * Michael Learns to Rock (90s best-selling artist across SEA and also HK and TW)
 * "I Wanna Be Close to You" (PH dance hit and radio recurrent)
 * Fra Lippo Lippi (had best-selling albums in PH in the 90s, including PH-only releases)
 * David Pomeranz (80s-90s hit: 1998 greatest hits album 13th best-selling album in PH by PARI certifications; some songs such as "Got to Believe" and "Born for You" used on teleserye soundtracks and received cover versions)
 * "Passenger Seat" by Stephen Speaks (2001 PH best-selling single)
 * TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 17:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * To expand on the point about popularity of old adult contemporary/easy listening songs, of note is that Western 70s-80s soft rock/folk/MOR/easy listening artists are still a mainstay of SEA AC radio stations (not sure about HK or TW), with artists like the Carpenters, Simon & Garfunkel, James Taylor, Don McLean, Lobo, Jim Croce, Bread, Seals & Crofts, England Dan and John Ford Coley, America, Barry Manilow, John Denver, Ann Murray, Barbra Streisand, Little River Band, Player, David Soul, Olivia Newton-John, Linda Ronstadt, Dionne Warwick, Melissa Manchester, Michael Johnson, Randy VanWarmer, Bette Midler, Air Supply, Stephen Bishop and Dan Fogelberg still having much airplay, and are also karaoke favorites (Lobo in particular had seen success in Asia following drop from Western chart popularity from the 80s afterwards). Ballads from 80s and 90s female teen pop stars like Tiffany ("Could've Been" and "All This Time"), Debbie Gibson ("Foolish Beat" and "Lost in Your Eyes") or Taylor Dayne ("Love Will Lead You Back") have something similar as well, still having AC airplay in PH, ID and MY. Same can be said of some 70s-90s soul and R&B acts such as James Ingram (with "Just Once"), George Benson (with the original "Nothing's Gonna Change My Love for You"), Charlene (with "I've Never Been to Me") Jeffrey Osborne (with "On the Wings of Love"), Atlantic Starr (with "Secret Lovers", "Always" and "Masterpiece"), Natalie Cole (with "Miss You Like Crazy") or even Diana Ross (with "It's My Turn", "When You Tell Me that You Love Me" and "If We Hold on Together"). Same also goes with ballads from acts like Gloria Estefan (with "Words Get in the Way"), Chaka Khan (with "Through the Fire") and the Jets (with "Make It Real" and "You Got It All"). The original "Especially for You" by Kylie Minogue with Jason Donovan was a hit in the UK, Europe and Australia, was also a radio hit in SEA, not to mention it later got a PH cover version from MYMP; Spandau Ballet's "Through the Barricades" (also a UK and Australia hit) and Phil Oakey's "Together in Electric Dreams" (also a UK and Australia hit) are also SEA radio hits. In addition to those by the Scorpions and Nazareth, power ballads from FireHouse such as "Love of a Lifetime" and "When I Look into Your Eyes" has also heavy airplay across SEA (as well as Japan) due to band's success in those regions, so are Bad English's "When I See You Smile" (#1 in most of the West), Restless Heart's "When She Cries", Styx's "Babe" (#1 in US and Canada), "The Best of Times" (#1 in Canada), and "Don't Let It End", Survivor's "Ever Since the World Began" (album track from Eye of the Tiger) and "The Search is Over".


 * Maybe I was rambling, but after all, what has been causing me to bring this up again and again is with Western songs frequently heard on PH radio not being heard much in stations in Canada (where I moved). Well, lots of 70s, 80s and 90s Western AC songs I hear on PH AC radio did appear on the Canadian charts, but they are surprisingly less played on Canadian AC radio nowadays due to older slow songs being less played and more uptempo AC hits being introduced, and requirement of Canadian content; some 70s artists/song I still hear on Canadian AC radio are the like of Elton John, ABBA and some of Anne Murray, plus Fleetwood Mac, Peter Frampton, Roberta Flack, Eagles, Dan Hill, etc. For 80s, still lots (Lionel Richie, Richard Marx, Christopher Cross, Journey, Chicago, the Police, Heart, Bryan Adams, Corey Hart, Foreigner, Bon Jovi, etc.) but never heard anything such as those aforementioned teen stars (Tiffany's cover version of Tommy James & the Shondells "I Think We're Alone Now" is still heard there but not her ballads, there is nothing of Debbie Gibson, and for Taylor Dayne, only her upbeat pop hits such as "Tell It to My Heart" are played, but usually on classic hits stations) or of those aforementioned R&B acts, and the only Air Supply songs I heard also in Canada are "Lost in Love" and "All Out of Love" (both appearing on the 1980 top 40 there). Also another reason for these discussions is the lack of good charts indicative or their overall popularity in PH; all we have is either reported album or singles sales, as well as radio airplay. The other reason is with the discoveries from searches for popular Western music playlists from Indonesia and HK on Spotify, which I highlighted previously. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 02:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * From discussions with those in the international music industry (OR), the Philippines is unique in its regular playing of old music on the radio. I don't know if that tracks across other areas of Southeast/East Asia as you mention, maybe it does to lesser extents, but that is probably why you are not hearing the same songs in Canada and the US. Sadly I can't find any sources on this at a glance, there is plenty of writing about fusions of regionally produced music within the region, but not of western music within the region. CMD (talk) 03:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Chipmunkdavis You can keep on finding any good academic or industry sources regarding Western music on Southeast Asia, but the problem then is where to include the info. The thing for me is maritime SEA (particularly Philippines and Indonesia), and HK to some degree, has such fondness for old, sentimental ballads that predominated local music in the 70; in particular AC radio in those regions are dominated by old music (70s to 90s) and many soft Western hits are still played in what strikes to be something reminiscent of Galápagos syndrome in contrast with North American AC radio that have largely phased them out of airplay due to need to improve ratings and advertiser appeal. Without having to bring up lots of artists and songs as I did previously, as an example, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston are kind of venerated as divas in maritime SEA (PH in particular), with their albums selling reaching gold and diamond, and many of their songs becoming permanent fixtures in local AC radio (and their songs usually played together, especially during lunchtime). The continuing airplay of Western teen pop ballads in SEA such as of those songs by Tiffany, Debbie Gibson and Taylor Dayne makes wonders for me, but may also be driven by the popularity on radio of similar, contemporaneous local acts (like Sharon Cuneta, Rachel Alejandro, Sheryl Cruz and Smokey Mountain, for PH).
 * Maybe why Philippine AC radio continues playing older Western AC tunes is because they play softer 70s-90s OPM from the same eras and stations are trying to build the mood by adding similar and contemporaneous imported content. Ihat may hold true to some degree for ID, MY, SG, and HK, with their local pop scenes (i.e. Indopop, pop Melayu, Cantopop) during the same decades also being predominantly soft and ballad-driven, and such songs also the mainstay in local AC radio.
 * Like with Japan, SEA has also been a lucrative market for Western acts that had modest to no success in the Western market, despite challenges from rampant music piracy and religious/social conservatism.
 * At last, Southeast Asian radio, with the lack of local charts until recently, have to depend on locally-certified best-selling albums and singles, or foreign charts such as Billboard Hot 100 or UK singles charts for content to fill in their playlists. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 05:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Just to provide an idea of the prevalence of older non-Filipino hits on PH AC radio, here's a sample of Western AC songs played between around 1:30-2:30PM (Philippine Standard Time) on two Tagalog-language AC stations DWSM and DWYS and around 3:00PM-3:30 PM (Philippine Standard Time) on English-language AC station DWRK. This excludes cover versions by Filipino artists. DWSM plays also some 50s-early 70s oldies in its regular weekday/Saturday afternoon programming, which I excluded in favor of recurrents from the 70s to present.
 * From DWSM
 * Have I Told You Lately (Rod Stewart, 1989)
 * Can You Feel the Love Tonight? (Elton John, 1994)
 * Could've Been (Tiffany, 1988)
 * End of the Road (Boyz II Men, 1995)
 * from DWYS
 * Babe (Styx, 1979)
 * Total Eclipse of the Heart (Bonnie Tyler, 1983)
 * Crazy for You (Madonna, 1985)
 * Keep on Loving You (REO Speedwagon, 1981)
 * Africa (Toto, 1983)
 * Desert Moon (Dennis DeYoung, 1984)
 * from DWRK
 * Drive (The Cars, 1983)
 * The Best of Times (Styx, 1981)
 * Ebony and Ivory (Paul McCartney, 1982)
 * Tonight's the Night (Gonna Be Alright) (Rod Stewart, 1976)
 * TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 06:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Chipmunkdavis You can keep trying for sources regarding the choice of imported/Western popular music in Southeast Asian radio, especially AC. To me, PH AC radio (especially soft AC and contemporary MOR/masa, as well as Filipino-oriented radio overseas, either on-air or online) radio is rather a different animal from North American AC radio as they continue to play Western AC music now associated with older demographics in NA AC such as classic 70s MOR from the likes of Carpenters, Lobo or Manilow, many soft 80s AC such those of Fogelberg, Bishop, Osborne, or even teen stars like Tiffany, and some charting power ballads, not to mention the intrusion of some Western artists with little to no success in the West or UK/Australian hits that did not appear on North American top 40 charts (like that of "Especially for You", "Through the Barricades", and "Together in Electric Dreams", in part due to them being played on radio in nearby Malaysia and Singapore when they charted at their home countries). Well that may sound true even to AC radio across maritime SEA (especially those of Malaysia and Singapore, which are former British colonies) or even HK from the scant evidence I can find from a glance of user playlists from Spotify.
 * My thoughts as well is whether to include the information about "contemporary MOR"/masa format into the adult contemporary music article. All I got with those info is adding them to the radio in the Philippines article during a major expansion.
 * Somewhat tangentially related and may be contributory to this discussion is what I saw to be a mass addition of artists into a paragraph in Middle of the road (music) by an IP geolocating to Chichester University in the UK (presumably used by a Hongkonger or a Chinese). I have reverted them as adding little understanding to the topic, not to mention the additions are reflective of Western artists that are typically played in PH/ maritime SEA/HK MOR/soft AC radio, therefore putting an undue PH/Southeast Asian/HK slant into the list paragraph. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 08:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem completely true that many 80s/90s songs that charted in either the US or Canada and I heard on PH AC radio is rarely or no longer played in North American AC radio. I just looked on user playlists on Spotify compiling all the songs played on two big US soft AC stations (KISQ of San Francisco and WLTW of New York), and it doesn't seem completely true; I still found some of the likes of Gibson ("Lost in Your Eyes" came up on both stations all-time playlist), other hit Air Supply songs (like "Making Love Out of Nothing at All"), so are Atlantic Starr's "Always" and Bad English's "When I See You Smile". Maybe I haven't heard much of this in Canada because the local AC station I listened to haven't played them yet or I just haven't heard them.
 * Maybe we can close this thread, but I would appreciate any research about this thing about popular Western music and acts across Southeast Asia (as well as HK). Back with the sources provided that mostly discuss the local music, there is also much Western influence as well (well, much of modern Filipino pop such as Manila sound and its successor OPM have much Western influence, not to mention some OPM are completely in English). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 06:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Filipinos' (as well as Maritime SEA and HK's) fondness for easy listening, sentimental ballads and associated artists can be a good research topic, but that's a topic for another day. Well, all those territories's vernacular pop scenes from the 70s to 90s seems to tend toward a soft, melodic, and ballad-dominated direction; the influence of Western acts to those may also be worth researching. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 06:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Trying to get over this, but the choice of Western songs (usually 70s-90s pop) in PH radio is still much source of intrigue and wonder for me, having been listening to PH AC radio from Canada and comparing their playlists and finding the ones in Canadian mainstream/soft AC station drastically different. Maybe why PH AC stations continue to play those has to do with them featuring already in playlists of earlier AC stations such as DWRK WRocK and DZMB/Love Radio (as an English-language soft AC/OPM station before flipping into Tagalog masa), plus early top 40 stations, as well as cover versions from OPM artists. Would like to ask someone who have grown up in the 80s and 90s if it was the case.
 * Here’s some 70s to 90s AC songs I can remember playing and/or still on rotation of PH AC stations (either masa or soft AC format). Most of them I can find on the likes of Billboard Hot 100, UK singles chart and Canada's RPM charts:
 * "All I Need", Jack Wagner, 1985
 * "All My Life", K-Ci and JoJo, 1998
 * "Betcha By Golly Wow", Stylistics, 1972
 * "End of the Road", Boyz II Men, 1992
 * "Feelings", Morris Albert, 1975
 * "Get Here", Brenda Russell, 1988
 * "Heart of Mine", Boz Scaggs, 1988
 * "How Can I Fall?", Breathe, 1988
 * "If I Should Love Again", Barry Manilow, 1982
 * "I'll Never Break Your Heart", Backstreet Boys, 1995
 * "I Love You", Celine Dion, 1996
 * "I Miss You", Klymaxx, 1986
 * "I Never Cry", Alice Cooper, 1976
 * "In My Dreams", REO Speedwagon, 1987
 * "I Still Believe", Brenda K. Starr, 1988
 * "Love Me for What I Am", Lobo, 1973
 * "Lovin' You", Minnie Ripperton, 1975
 * "Mandy", Barry Manilow, 1975
 * "One on One", Hall & Oates, 1983
 * "Somewhere Down the Road", Barry Manilow, 1982
 * "Stars", Simply Red, 1991
 * "Superwoman", Karyn White, 1988
 * "Sweet Baby", Stanley Clarke and George Duke, 1981
 * "Take Me Now", David Gates, 1981
 * "These Dreams", Heart, 1986
 * "We're All Alone", Boz Scaggs, 1976
 * "When Will I See You Again", Three Degrees, 1974
 * "Where Are You Now", Jimmy Harnen/Synch, 1986
 * "Who's Holding Donna Now", DeBarge, 1985
 * "You're Still My Man", Whitney Houston, 1987
 * "You Took My Breath Away", Rex Smith, 1979
 * "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin', Hall & Oates, 1980
 * TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 22:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Cleanup of articles with unsubstantiated claims of being no. 1 in PH, and creation of best-selling singles in PH list article
While no good research has come up yet about what seems to be common imported/Western music between the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore (and also Hong Kong or even Taiwan), so is the continued play of many 70s, 80s and 90s Western AC music in the local radio in those countries, I will like to bring up a plan on cleaning up articles about individual songs which have uncited claims of being no. 1 or just radio hits in the Philippines. Top example is with the mention about "Dying Inside" being a no. 1 hit in the Philippines on the Timmy Thomas article (there's no good Philippine music chart yet during the 90s when it was hit, not to mention it was a best-selling single as well in Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore during the same era by claimed sales; should replace that claim with a more verifiable claim such as claimed/certified single sales from PARI or another contemporary music industry source). Also another thing is with songs being listed as a recurrent in PH radio without any source (take for example "Some Hearts are Diamonds").

I would also like to bring up the potential creation of an list article about best-selling singles in the Philippines (we currently only have a list of best-selling albums). Existing info is on list of best-selling singles by country; most instances are based on claimed sales as found in archived editions of Billboard published in the Philippines.-TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 07:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Anyone interested? Input, especially from people in the music task force welcome. Also, I just created a draft for a section about contemporary MOR radio format for addition into the adult contemporary music article (just need sources, but I got the wording ready). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 07:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

PH music charts for the years Billboard hasn't published PH-specific data (part 2)
This has been lingering since late April, this thing about a good Philippines music chart for the years Billboard hasn't published Philippines music charts (from around the 60s to around 2016), in an attempt to answer the question on foreign acts that are considered household names in PH. I have been seeing arguments against using radio station charts for any Philippine chart data for years before Billboard PH Hot 100 and Philippines Songs, but I think we should reconsider that considering we don't have no non-radio alternatives and for some countries, reputable radio station charts (usually one from prominent top 40 stations) have been used as acceptable alternative (as with Canada before 1964, so do South Africa before 1985, as far I have found on single chart stats). Now then, is there any reputable archived radio station chart (preferably one from a top 40 station) we can use to get Philippines music chart data for the years Billboard hasn't published PH-specific charts? Would be interesting to see what were the no. 1 singles in PH for the decades before widespread Internet access and Billboard PH launch. You may find such lists in the form of videos in FB or YT, but I would readily question the claims (unless they did cite their sources, such as the charts of contemporaneous top 40 stations or claimed or certified music sales). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 04:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I think you should check Magic 89.9. They have at least a Top 5 that stretches to July 12, 2005. But maybe if you dug around, you could find a Top 10 or Top 30 on their site. You can start here: https://web.archive.org/web/20050712005351/http://www.magic899.fm:80/ D-Flo27 (talk) 11:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Here's MYX's, goes back to 2009 https://web.archive.org/web/20091119041147/http://www.myxph.com/ and https://web.archive.org/web/20090425045750/http://www.myxph.com/tabid/363/MYXCharts.aspx D-Flo27 (talk) 11:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have no time to read the archives, but I have no idea if Magic's chart served as de facto national chart for PH, much as the CHUM Chart served as the de-facto national chart for Canada until RPM published its first chart? When was its oldest chart and did it cater to every genre?
 * For Myx, see the deprecated charts section on WP:Record charts. Not only it's single-network, methodology used is questionable.
 * Tangentially related to this, just noticed there was a bogus Billboard PH chart that appeared back in the 2000s, well before Billboard PH launch in 2016. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 20:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Bummer about Myx. Really was popular back in those days. I think RX 93.1 can challenge that claim as #1 national chart if not Myx, but you or I can check it out. And yes, if we did use Magic, it featured a lot of genres, both Western and Filipino. Earliest I could find online was 2005, but I think someone uploaded some of their older charts, not sure where. D-Flo27 (talk) 06:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @D-Flo27 Well, just came up on FB a video of the top 10 of 1993. Not sure if it's for PH, but no source were given again (not disclosed or just the creator's opinion). I already checked it against the likes of Billboard, UK charts or RPM, but the claimed top 10 are significantly different. Surely dodgy and better search the actual charts wherever they are archived on the Net. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 22:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Best-selling singles list
I'm trying to work on a list of best-selling singles for PH, so to complement the best-selling album list. Just a question: do PARI also certifies single sales? Nielsen? TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 22:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Appropriate reference for area of NKTI, and location of institutes in Manila
I wanted to add a citation for the area of the National Kidney and Transplant Institute (NKTI). A source mentioning that NKTI is situated in a 58,899 square-meter lot of land along East Avenue, Quezon City is available from a 2017 executive summary by the Commision of Audit. Another possible source mentioning it would be the website of NKTI. My problem is choosing which is more appropriate. Also, I'll try to do the citation manually so I might make a minor error.

Another problem I noticed is citations were needed for the location of several national institutions such as the National Library and the Philippine General Hospital, which are in Manila (by looking at a map?). The paragraph is in the Wikipedia page for Manila. I wanted to raise this after reading advice in Wikipedia on common knowledge and citations.

What would be the most appropriate to do for me here? My initial approach would be the COA report and deleting the [citation needed], but I wanted to know what would the consensus be, as I'm a new editor. I posted my question here so other PH editors can see this, and this can be used as a "basis" for encountering similar problems. RFNirmala (talk) 04:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Is the exact land area important? I would rather remove that fact.
 * I have never seen coordinates being cited. Where is this being needed? With that being said, I'm stumped on what is a good WP:RS for that. Howard the Duck (talk) 05:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm... off the top of my head, it strikes me that a Google Maps cite might be useful to readers. I won't try to flesh out the cites here, but see, . Just a thought. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Google Maps is essentially a Wiki. Does that make it not WP:RS? What are WP:RS for coordinates? Government mapping agencies like the National Mapping and Resource Information Authority? Howard the Duck (talk) 07:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Proposal for Creating Barangay Project
Do you think we should create a Wiki project about barangays? Barangays are one of the sparsest topics in the Philippines, only with five/ten barangay pages/redirects in Eastern Visayas. TheNuggeteer (talk) 00:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Probably no need to have a separate WikiProject. I think the existing Tambayan Philippines/Task force LGU is the appropriate place to talk about barangays but since that task force is not as active, I think we can retain discussions here on the main Tambayan talk page since discussions here are not that many that it can be overwhelming. And then just document any stats, guidelines, manual of styles there. —seav (talk) 08:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

BINI
Still in disbelief that I am doing this, as a person whose editing portfolio normally covers articles on death, destruction and political violence, but I opened a discussion on renaming Bini to uppercase as per nomenclature of virtually every WP:RS source in this country. See Talk:Bini (group). Borgenland (talk) 15:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Also need to clarify if I have to manually post a move notice on article space or wait for a third party or bot to do the job. Borgenland (talk) 15:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Borgenland You might not need to find out anymore, considering BINI is in the article alert section of Tambayan Philippines, but when you add a moving template, a bot does the job sooner or later. TheNuggeteer (talk) 10:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to Transportation Task Force
Hello! I am inviting everyone who's interested to be a part of the Transportation Task Force to make it more active.

This task force aims to improve articles related to transportation in the Philippines, covering topics such as railways, roads, aviation, maritime, and more.

I hope you can share your thoughts and improve the quality of Philippine transportation articles. Thanks!  Hiwilms   Talk   05:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Santiago Colleges
Flagging Northeastern College of Santiago, Isabela for a 68.5% copyvio from school website. Couldn't put the hidden template myself since I'm not proficient in that kind of code. Borgenland (talk) 16:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've reverted it to the latest non-copyvio version (Which was on 2011). -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I saw that the safe version had no intro so I tried to salvage one. Do correct if it still is problematic. Borgenland (talk) 09:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Update: I also ran through University of La Salette and it had a 95.4% copyvio from school website, hence the section renaming. Borgenland (talk) 09:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No non-copyvio version found. I suggest that you nominate this for speedy delete G12. Lenticel  ( talk ) 01:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * A pity though, given that it’s a major university in the area. But I’ll try my best to salvage the thing even if it means downgrading it into a stub. Borgenland (talk) 06:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It can still be recreated but without the added copyvio baggage. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 08:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Was going to suggest preserving the references here, but, well. CMD (talk) 09:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Update: I chopped it down and finally provided a ref, albeit the school website. Borgenland (talk) 14:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Borgenland hindi ba't the school website is non-independent? (WP:INDEPENDENT). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 10:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I was aware of that but I was worried that a lack of sources could lead to G12 so I decided to use it as a stopgap. Borgenland (talk) 10:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

School websites may be used as references (per the relevant guidelines) subject to the usual caveats. -Ian Lopez @ 07:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

POGO raids
Should the two raids mentioned at Philippine Offshore Gaming Operator be split into separate articles? Or (as an alternative, considering a major debate at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not), a list article covering notable raids, like List of raids on Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators? Although the impact and aftermath brought by the raids may be long-term to comply with WP:SUSTAINED. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 04:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Is there much more to say than what is currently in that article? I wouldn't split them as written into their own articles or a list. There are other raids that could be added however, taking a quick look this source mentions the Hong Tai raid. (Perhaps a good example of what the hypothetical split articles would look like too.) CMD (talk) 04:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Recent church article moves
Several church articles have been recently moved by User:CoptEgypt136. It might need scrutiny since the shorter common names were replaced by the longer official names. As I understand, the official names could be placed in the   parameter and in the lead's first sentence. Longer article titles also would clutter the pushpin map since it would be automatically used as the map's label:

Sanglahi86 (talk) 14:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * CoptEgypt136 moved page Naic Church to Diocesan Shrine and Church of the Immaculate Conception Church (Naic)
 * CoptEgypt136 moved page Diocesan Shrine of Saint Augustine to Diocesan Shrine of Saint Augustine and Church of Santa Cruz (Tanza)
 * CoptEgypt136 moved page Our Lady of Candelaria Parish Church (Silang) to Diocesan Shrine and Church of Our Lady of Candelaria (Silang)
 * CoptEgypt136 moved page St. Mary Magdalene Church (Kawit) to Diocesan Shrine and Church of Saint Mary Magdalene (Kawit)


 * Agree. This is an unnecessary overprecision case.Borgenland (talk) 14:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The issue has been resolved as HueMan1 reverted the undiscussed moves. Sanglahi86 (talk) 12:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Manny Castaneda
It looks like no one has yet picked up writing an article about Manny Castaneda (even though his death was extensively covered by the media), so I created a new article. Please feel free to add more details. Thanks! --- Tito Pao (talk) 07:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Ramon Montaño
Recently deceased subject needs major cleanup. Just gutted it because its content was basically unsourced. Borgenland (talk) 16:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)