Wikipedia talk:Template index/Archive 3

The Status of Protest on Wikipedia
Wikipedia it seems does not delineate between freedom of expression and the right to protest and vandalism. Wikipedia is supposed to be a viable source of information. In my mind it must also be an "appropriate" source of information. But if we can't conduct peaceful, nonviolent protests on the texts of actual articles which people find disturbing (i.e. queef) what kind of message are we sending across to people who wish to protest but find themselves being blocked as a result of what editors consider "vandalism". I agree with the sentiments expressed by some that a template that has been termed as "nonsense" (Wiki-Protest) should be allowed in order for editors, WPs, and contributors to protest what they consider as harsh, racist, or inappropriate wikipedia articles in a manner outside of the normal spectrum for wikipedia. What do you all think about this? A friend of mine was blocked recently for participating in this kind of protest. -- Dominick_Turner — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dominick Turner (talk • contribs) 16:48, 21 February 2006
 * See What Wikipedia is not, in particular the section on What the Wikipedia community is not section for Wikipedia's official policy. It is not designed as a forum for free expression as "protest".  Think of it as using your free expression to tell your boss that he's a fat slob.  Your boss will turn around and tell you that he recognizes your rights of expression but you're fired.  The Wikipedia community is the same way, except substitute "you're blocked" for "you're fired".   Neil916 16:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Very good analogy. &#0149;Jim 62 sch&#0149; 16:13, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

If you find an article disturbing then don't read it. Wikipedia is not a place for censorship by repressed/ultra-conservative individuals. SynthesiseD 21:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But are they really individuals or rules? Surely there can be various interpretations of applying rules, but then one finds out by experience. "Learn the rules well in order to break them". If one wants to complain about an ecological damage in Wikipedia, one goes by the rules to do it. The effective protest would be to include an acceptable encyclopedic article on actual facts. It is for rules kept that Wikipedia becomes a strong medium to present an article on some ecological damage, to link it to other appropriate articles, etc. If one thinks that an objectively stated fact about racism is being attacked as inappropriate, one can protect it by doing the things that the rules permit. Hoverfish 19:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

template to add
I'm not sure where to add Infoboxneeded. Can somebody give pointers? Circeus 06:56, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * At the top of the article talk page. --GunnarRene 07:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure where to add the °N, °W Template:coor for geographical coordinates. Can somebody give pointers? Skierpage 03:16, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Guidelines?
Where are the guidelines for templates loacated? Cacophony 18:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


 * See WP:TS. WP:SFD, WP:TFD, an incomplete proposal WP:TG, and otherwise try to make sense out of Category:Wikipedia templates. See also below. Omniplex 08:31, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Template messages infobox
Started creating a small infobox for all template messages, it's located at Template:Template messages and looks like this: → Aza Toth 10:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, removed this template from the project page, it's incompatible with my browser (Firefox on Linux) and creates a usability disaster. --Francis Schonken 16:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template to encapsulate HTML markup
I just created to expand to the HTML  in order to get a break effect that includes images. What category does that sort of template belong in? - Bevo 00:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Not sure, but I did the same thing with CleanBr the other day. --James S. 07:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * See - or clear but please don't touch them - they are the result of long discussions and used on hundreds of pages. Omniplex 08:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

The edit links in table edit the wrong sections?!
Clicking any [edit] link in the table edits the next section of the table. E.g. the General edit link to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Template_messages&action=edit&section=1 brings up  Article sources === , i.e. the next table section. I tried in both Firefox and Internet Explorer. Weird. Skierpage 02:57, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

This is true in both FF 1.5.0.1 and IE 7 Beta 2; the page is behaving rather strangely. Furthermore, some titles ("General" and "Cleanup") don't appear in IE. Any wikitable whizz know why this is? ENCEPHALON  17:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

NEW TEMPLATE... but where to put it?
New templates. I think we should include. But any sugestions where? see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikibreak or wikibreak --CyclePat 18:15, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Useful styles
Seeking input for this new pages, any help or suggestions appreciated. Circeus 15:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Tables
I really liked the table formatting that AzaToth removed. The template page is much more difficult for me to use now (since it requires either scrolling way down or clicking an extra time to get to the desired section, as the whole page is much longer vertically without the tables.) --Tifego 00:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

(as posted on AzaToth's talk page) Hmm, I liked it the way it was before. You specified in the summary edit that it should be conforming to whatever is at WP:KISS. (a red link as of 00:25 UTC, 17 March 2006). --Ted 00:26, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought the tables was too wide (didn't thought at the before, but when I checked at 800x600 the colums per cell was one word wide.) Also the editing of the page was rather cumbersome to edit. → Aza Toth 00:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks fine to me at 800x600. (Although I don't see how anyone can stand using displays that tiny.) Since it bothers me as non-table, and at least one other person agrees, I'm changing it back for now (once). --Tifego 01:14, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Dynamic Images
Is there a way to implement dynamic images into Wikipedia, for user namespaces? Say there is a last.fm chart update, and a dynamic image is generated off of that. Can it be somehow implemented into the userpage? --модулятум 20:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

if-template
Is there already something like an if-template, or can/should I make one? I thought about something like (i.e., if is not empty, then is inserted, otherwise ). What do you think about it? —  Shir Khan  (?-"-!) — 13:09, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Check out Qif. Its description is on its discussion page. – T i f e g o(t)08:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

"Inadequate"
I'm not sure where Template:Inadequate should be listed. Maurreen 07:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * TfD, maybe. That template is inadequate, in that it doesn't link to the talk page or state the problem in an appropriately informative and neutral way. Anyway, the real place it could go is Template messages/Cleanup, but I don't know how long it will survive as it is. – T i f e g o(t)08:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Colour definitions
I've noticed that a large number of the pastel boxes in this listing ignore the common web design practice of defining a foreground colour (mostly black) whenever defining a background colour. Depending on the user's skin and/or overriding default browser settings, the default foreground colour may be a light one designed to be read on a dark background, common for people with visual impairments. Does anybody object to me going through them and adding color:black where necessary to the styles? I realise a lot of caches will be affected but it's a genuine needed improvement. BigBlueFish 08:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Graphic image tag?
Is there a tag that warns of an article having images that may be of a graphic or obscene nature?--BerserkerBen 04:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok I guess not so I made one, this one though is only specific to nudity:
 * -It warns viewers of the image(s) presences
 * -It warns them not to censor by editing
 * -It directs to wikipedia disclaimer

Nudity warning --BerserkerBen 22:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I completely agree — such a template isn't saying that there should be no articles about a given subject, just that users should be warned beforehand. I would add that the same could be said of potentially inappropriate text (for younger readers), as well, as in The Aristocrats. That said, what happened to the template above which I'm currently seeing as a red link? --Lenoxus 14:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * See Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_11 —Mike 02:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Question
I was unsure of where to put this so I decided to put it here. I understand there is a template that can make the table of contents go to the right hand side of the article. Does anyone know how to hide the table of contents? It isn't for an article, just my user page. Normy 09:02, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

just put at the top of your page. CG 11:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Taxobox needed template
I have been looking for a template to request a taxobox, in this case for the sordes article. I have for the moment used the diagram request and specified that what was needed is a taxobox. Is there a way of requesting a taxobox, is there a template in this case?? --Francisco Valverde 17:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Question
Ok I know this may sound stupid but I have to ask how do you get a template to the left hand side of a page? I've tried "|left}} and "}}|left" but they don't seem to work, and I've tried other things such as " {{left| ". So is there anyway to do it? Horses In The Sky  {{sup|talk  contributions }}

added Template:CategorisationDisputedTopics
Following Template:CategorisationDisputedPeople, I decided to be bold and create this template for contentious categories such as Category:Pseudoscience. This seems to be a fair way of resolving concerns about the NPOV-ness of assigning topics to that category (since the category condition is either on or off, with no room for "so and so says this topic is pseudoscientific for this reason"). I hope my boldness didn't step on anyone's toes. thx, Jim Butler(talk) 08:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Personally, I don't see the need for this template. I understand your reasoning, but I can't agree.  Sorry.  &#0149;Jim 62 sch&#0149;  16:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Is there a template for missing information?
Would be helpful in articles that lack important information. Añoranza 06:37, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If the article is too short, use a categorized stub. If you know what information is missing, use Template messages/General and detail on the talk page what is missing. (Without elaboration, expansion requests are useless). If a source/citation is missing, or a statement appears unverifiable, you can mark it with one of these: Template_messages/Disputes --GunnarRene 09:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Good one,is there also a template for a missing template? (many readers have no idear where to find the right template). Mion 08:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

No interwikis template?
Is there a template for articles missing interlanguage links? Thanks! --Vanka5 03:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Regarding your question, Perhaps there is the template for articles missing interlanguage links. But I'm not sure abour this. *~Daniel~* ☎ 02:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

List from usage of templates
Is there a way to make a list from the use of templates. For example, on airport pages (like LHR, LAX, etc.) there is a Template:Runway to list the runways and information about them for each airport. Is there a way I could make a page like List of airport runways that builds the list from all the uses of the template and allows you to use the values in the template to format your list? I know there is the What links here page for the template but that isn't really what I am looking to do. I want a table to list that would be updated as the individual pages that use the template are updated. Is there anyway to accomplish the same goal if using Templates wont work? I've looked at using category pages (I want it to be like that sort of) except that I want to have access to all the varables in the template and not just the page name. Fsamuels 14:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

talk page's main article template
I know there's a template that goes on a Talk page whose article is somewhere else is summarized using the template. It says something like "this article is summarized on another page; remember to keep those pages with this one." Anyone know where I can find it? --Ephilei 00:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * main ;) --Quiddity 20:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Where to add new template
I made a template as I figured it'd be useful, but can't see an obvious spot to add it to the list. Any suggestions? --jwandersTalk 17:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That is more of a Wikipedia special effects templates than a template message. I would add it to that category or look around Tools if it fits somewhere else. -- Trödel  18:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Update - FULLDATE also exists and today redirects to it. See Category:Date math -- Trödel 18:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Template for changing a title
Is there any template saying something like "It has been suggested that the title of this article be changed. Please discuss."?--Húsönd 01:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That would probably be covered by a requested move template, as "moving" and "renaming" are synonymous around here... If not and you'd like a custom template, drop me a message and I can throw one together for you. --jwandersTalk 06:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I'll go for the move template and place a request then. Thank you.--Húsönd 13:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Too Many Templates / Polymorphism
I've been scanning through many template pages looking for an answer to this question, but the volume is so great I might have missed it: Why don't templates use polymorphism? This isn't a theory question (because the capability exists), but a practice question (and perhaps a policy question). For example, there are 4 ways to post a spoiler, 2 ways to post a spoiler ending, multiple disabiguation templates, reference templates, etc. I think it would be much simpler to have a single template that accepts multiple arguments (some defaulted) with a clear 'noinclude' discussion about how to use the function (it's syntax) than to have multiple templates that all have similar functionality and appearance. Does Wikipedia have a policy on template polymorphism?--Burzum 20:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The number of templates is overwhelming, even for the capable student. I'm a reasonably bold, intelligent, and persistent person, but I've found it daunting to try to sort out what's going on with templates as I've pursued contributing to WP in my modest way.  For perspective, I've run into many people in R/L that didn't even know they could edit content on WP at all. (I'm sitting here, with hundreds of contributions to my credit, using "WP", and I'm still not even sure if that stands for "Wikipedia" or "Wiki Projects", and my one quick search attempt (wikipedia:WP) didn't clarify.)  My point is, the threshold of knowledge that is the barrier to contribution must watched carefully, lest only a progressively smaller fraction of netizens feel comfortable diving into the unknown depth of the new undertaking. ENeville 16:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Made three new Harvard templates
I made three new Harvard citation templates (actually, made minor mods to existing templates). Not sure if there is some group overseeing these kinds of things. If I've gone beyond bold into reckless, please let me know.


 * Template:Harvcol. Harvard citation with colons for page numbers.
 * Template:Harvcolnb. Same as above, no brackets.
 * Template:Harvcoltxt. Same as above, can use for cites like "according to Smith (1999), the..." Links to Auth name & year. Looks a bit funny when page numbers are included.

Examples are at: Austronesian languages, Homeland section.

Thanks Ling.Nut 03:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Fantastic Page!
I only found this page by asking at the help desk. This needs to be more easily accessible. Maybe a link in the style guide? --Navstar 08:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Link to entries using these templates
Is it possible to look up the articles that are using specific templates? Some seem very obscure and I would enjoy reading the tagged entries --Navstar 10:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * On any page, in the bottom of the lefthand sidebar, in the "toolbox" section, there is a "What links here" link. Click that :) (They're ordered chronologically by date of creation, iirc). --Quiddity 19:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

SparkNotes, Yahoo! Movies
Are there templates for links to SparkNotes and Yahoo! Movies pages similar to those for the IMDb? TheMadBaron 12:01, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Request Template: Information is Mecurial
I'd like to see a template I can use to warn the user that a reference (like radio station formats) is in a constant state of flux and, while it was accurate at one time, the user may want to verify the information with another source. (And edit the information if they are inclined. Any thoughts? Something like Template:Mercurial &#39;bitchen&#39; ric 13:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool. I figured it out. I've added Template:Mercurial and Template:Mercurial-section to the General page. If this is redundant, please let me know the proper template to use.&#39;bitchen&#39; ric 15:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Legal Dispute template?
Hi. I'm involved in the sorry mess at Gregory Lauder-Frost, where we have removed verifiable information from the article due to threats of legal action under UK law. This has been going on for a while, and there's no immediate end in sight. Folks there seem to be ok with a notice at the top of the article page, and this is the template I came up with:

Content has been removed from this article because of a dispute over the legality of its inclusion, and so the article may not meet normal Wikipedia standards.

Currently this is in user space, and you can see the source here. If the title and template seem right to you folks, I'd like to move it into the main template space. It's my first template, so any feedback is appreciated. Thanks, William Pietri 17:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Update: current word from on high is that we can now include the material, so the question is moot. I've substituted the template here and will eventually delete the template unless this becomes an issue again. William Pietri 17:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Template hiding and showing
Sorry if this question has been done to death, but in articles such as South Australian legislative election, 2006 where there are two templates at the bottom, is there a way to show both of them rather than them being hidden, whereas if there's only one template it is automatically shown? Timeshift 15:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

How to make a template
This article,nor does anyone other article on templates,give any information(or at least simple information) on how to make a template.Now maybe making a template is not simple.But if anyone would be so kind as to give me a simple layout on how to make a template.Please Dermo69

Refq template
Ok. I saw what Shantavira recommended as an idea and I created a template that can answer many of the "See Dog" questions for us.

Produces

Look good? Alter it however is best, and I hope it will increase our productivity. — X [ Mac Davis ] ( SUPERDESK | Help me improve  )18:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I wanted this to be on the Reference Desk talk page, but somebody moved it, and I am guessing it belongs here instead. — X [ Mac Davis ] ( SUPERDESK | Help me improve  )22:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This section was duplicated here by me. Sorry about any confusion but I thought it would get better response from here. It's now at both places. --hydnjo talk 23:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

National Portrait Gallery template
I have created a new template which may be of particular use to those editing biographical articles related to the UK. The template is npg name, and it povides an easy way to offer a link to the list of images of a person held by the National Portrait Gallery (England).

The code is adapted from the widely-used imdb name, and it works in a very similar way. Full instructions on the talk page.

(Sorry if this is the wrong place to announce this). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Turn off templates?
Is there any way to view Wikipedia with no templates? There are so many templates now it's hard to tell if I am reading an encyclopedia, or the coupon page for the local shoppers mart. Nagtags, navigation "aids", etc.. creators of templates (and their court) create fiefdoms of articles that they rule over mandating that they be employed using no rational or justification other than the templates mere existence. The only recourse is TfD which only works for the most worst cases - the end result is "template gridlock" with pictures and templates competing 50/50 with actual text for space to the point many articles look and feel chopped up and hard to follow. -- Stbalbach 05:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You can change your personal CSS to put  on the CSS classes of templates that offend you. If you are using the default skin, that file is at User:Your Name/monobook.css. Mike Dillon 21:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Passing variables... variably?
I need a bit of help. I'm trying to create a template that basically will list every variable I pass, only. I.e.:

Will output something like 3 rows of text, as in:


 * Foo-template-output var1
 * Foo-template-output var2
 * Foo-template-output var3

But will scale--so, if I add only one variable, I get only one line of output; if I add 20 variables, I get 20 lines of output. Is this possible? I was experimenting with this last night but got lost trying to get it right. If you can provide just a barebones, working example of this, I can go crazy with it--it really doesn't need to be super fancy; just output the same basic text string around my variables. · XP · 18:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Creating Templates
How do you create a template?
 * Help:Template and Template namespace have the information you're looking for. Grutness...wha?  01:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Edit war template
I propose creating a edit war, a template to be put in talk pages stating something like "An editor has raised his concern that this article is under a prolonged edit war", and categorizes them into Category:Articles in edit war. Mediators and people who like discussing and solving problems could then check this category to find articles in need. What do you think? -- ReyBrujo 03:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it is a great idea. John Reaves 11:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It would give a bad impression to people who are new to Wikipedia. <FONT FACE="MS Reference Sans Serif" COLOR="#FF0000">► Adriaan90 ( Talk ♥ Contribs ) ♪♫</FONT> 16:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I created a template...
Well, sort of - I stole it from fr-wiki. :) It's in my sandbox. I'm just posting this here to see if anyone knows if there's something like this on en already, and whether I'm just wasting my time. Thanks! :) riana_dzasta 13:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind - too much code, too clunky, plus Sceptre pointed out that #time does the same thing much more effectively. Thanks anyway! riana_dzasta 19:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Ignoring column rules?
I am trying to edit a template here, and what I am trying to do is make it so that each row is independent. Another words, if one row has long text for one side and another row has long text on the other side, they don't interfere with each other's spacing. Is this possible? --blm07 21:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Jump to TOC
I've seen on some talk pages a template which allows you to skip past all the templates which go on a talk page (like good article, AfD nomination, featured in other languages, part of a WP, etc.). I couldn't find it in this project page. What is it, and shouldn't it be listed here? --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 02:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It's .  I've added it to Template_messages/Talk_namespace.  *Spark*  02:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 04:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

This seems quite obvious, given the number of times I want to post X, Y where X is a US city with article at X, Y and Y is the state. But I couldn't find it with a search, so I created it myself. Apologies if this in inappropriate, and please merge it if such already exists. Thanks, PhilipR 06:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Protection log link on Template:Protected, et al
I started a discussion about adding a link to the protection log at Template talk:Protected. Please give your opinion if you are interested. Mike Dillon 03:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Game-guide content
I have a few videogame articles on my watchlist which I've contributed quite a bit too, mostly relatively stable b-quality articles. Almost all edits to these articles are of a game-guide nature, and are thus typically removed in short order by me or some other contributor.

I find two things about the situation to be quite annoying: firstly, the endless repetative work of reverting solely game-guide oriented edits, and secondly, the fact that those interested in contributing to these articles do not fully comprehend WP's stance on such content, as they might otherwise see fit to improve the articles in other respects.

Would it be appropriate to make some sort of template(s) (main-space or talk-space) advising editors to refrain (as opposed to removing/fixing, as there are already templates for that) from adding unencyclopedic content? -FrostyBytes 09:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hide and Unhide
Whats the secret of hide and unhide in templates. When I use the template: Template:G8 it appears unhidden, but in articles that contain it, the default is that it is already hidden. Please answer at my page. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 01:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Responded on user talk page: . Mike Dillon 03:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

User warn prompt for db-nocontent
The template db-nocontent needs a prompt, that can be copied and pasted, suggesting you warn the user about the deletion (simiar to other templates, such as db-bio. John Reaves 09:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

New User template: user-Canada-military-maybe-not-here
Created this for purposes similar to the user-US-Military-maybe-not-here template, for those members of the Canadian military who wish to identify themselves as such. Jackytar 00:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Lead
Is there a template to suggest that a page should revise its introduction or add one in accordance with WP:LEAD. Please respond to my talk page. TonyTheTiger 16:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Lets keep a topic on one place, here for instance? --Van helsing 20:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

New template proposal
Most of the warnings read too harshly and suggest blame. I think we need a more neutral template. Consider the article Proprioception. It is so poorly organized as to be misleading, there are several statments which are not entirely untrue but are written as if the author has no idea what he or she is talking about, and way too much time is spent on topics that are not particularly relavant to the article.

I propose a It has been sugested that this article is misleading template. Anyone opposed?

--Selket 10:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Try a more general (but gentle) template to put on the editor's talk page, {{subst:ArticleConcern}} or {{subst:artc}} -- the one required parameter being the article name, after which you can add specific concerns as an optional parameter, and they become the second paragraph of the note.


 * For instance, <tt> Proprioception</tt> -- results in --

My concern about article Proprioception

Hello, Recipient, and thank you for contributing to Wikipedia!

I hope not to seem unfriendly or argumentative, but I'm concerned about article Proprioception, which you have edited. Could we discuss that concern here?

It may be perceived as so poorly organized as to be misleading, there are several statements which are not entirely untrue but are written as if the author has no idea what he or she is talking about, and way too much time is spent on topics that are not particularly relevant to the article.

I'd appreciate learning your own views, understanding your reasons for your particular edits, and discussing what alternatives might avoid raising this concern.

You have several options freely available to you:
 * If you can relieve my concern through discussing it here, I can stop worrying about it.
 * If you prefer, we can discuss the matter at Talk:Proprioception, where other editors could contribute their viewpoints.
 * If we can't agree in either setting, we can ask for help through Wikipedia's dispute resolution process, such as asking for a "third opinion", or requesting comments from other Wikipedians. Admins usually abide by agreements reached through this process.
 * If you prefer not to deal with me at all, you can ask others for guidance: there are experienced Wikipedians who offer mentorship, "adoption", or advocacy; and many admins will also make the time to answer earnest questions on their talk pages (though some are either very busy or away on "Wikibreak").
 * Any time you feel overwhelmed by the complexity of it all, you can simply post   here on your talk page, with a description of your questions or problems, and someone will show up to help you find answers or solutions.

Let me reassure you that my writing here means I don't think your editing is so bad that you should just stop or be stopped. This is more a case where opinions might differ, and it would be good to reach some consensus -- either here, or at Talk:Proprioception, or at WP:RFC. So I look forward to a friendly discussion, and to enjoying your continued participation on Wikipedia. Thank you again! -- Ben 00:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * {end quote} Notice that the template automatically signs the note, unless you tell it not to (with the optional parameter <tt>sig=n</tt>). Similar or related templates are listed in that template's documentation. I hope these help! -- Ben 00:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

copied text template
I remember once seeing a template to put on pages that copied most of its text from another source, does anyone know what that template was? Thanks. --Arctic Gnome 04:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Copyright violations? :) --Quiddity 07:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Try copypaste -- ReyBrujo 08:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Icon templates instead of large boxes at the top of pages
See this discussion here. Some icons have already been created; see my user page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HisSpaceResearch (talk • contribs) 11:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Is there any template for
Requesting a section to be summerized and the stuff would be moved into main articles? --Aminz 01:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * See various Splitting templates, halfway down this section: Template messages/Cleanup. --Quiddity 02:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

New templates rfarb, rfcuser, rfcn, and listuser
As a timesaver for several frequently used types of links, I've created:


 * rfarb
 * links to WP:RFARB arbitration page on a topic or user, if it exists
 * enter topic, else defaults to basepagename, e.g. article/user of a talk page
 * enter linklabel, else defaults to descriptive label
 * Example 1: <tt> </tt> &rarr;
 * Example 2: <tt> </tt> &rarr; (same link)
 * Example 3: <tt> </tt> &rarr;
 * Example 4: <tt> </tt> &rarr;


 * rfcuser
 * links to WP:RFC/USER page on a user's conduct, if it exists
 * enter username, else defaults to basepagename, e.g. username of a user page or user talk page
 * enter linklabel, else defaults to descriptive label
 * enter RFC number, else defaults to highest (standard-format) RFC found, up to 20
 * Example 1: <tt> </tt> &rarr; (links to latest RFC, #Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington)
 * Example 2: <tt> </tt> &rarr; (same link)
 * Example 3: <tt> </tt> &rarr; (links to first RFC, unnumbered)
 * Example 4: <tt> </tt> &rarr;
 * Example 5: <tt> </tt> &rarr;


 * rfcn
 * links to WP:RFC/NAME section on a username, or the page top if no such section exists
 * enter username, else defaults to basepagename, e.g. username of a user page or user talk page
 * enter linklabel, else defaults to descriptive label
 * enter archive (oldid) number, else defaults to current page
 * Example 1: <tt> </tt> &rarr; (closed topic)
 * Example 2: <tt> </tt> &rarr;
 * Example 3: <tt> </tt> &rarr;  (same link)
 * Example 4: <tt> </tt> &rarr;


 * listuser
 * links to Special:Listusers listing for a username (or next one if that one doesn't exist), confirming or disproving the account's existence (whether or not there's a user page or user talk page); listing also shows "(Administrator)" if account holds that status
 * enter username, else defaults to basepagename, e.g. username of a user page or user talk page
 * enter linklabel, else defaults to descriptive label
 * enter number of entries to show as <tt>limit</tt>, else defaults to 1 (one)
 * Example 1: <tt> </tt> &rarr;
 * Example 2: <tt> </tt> &rarr;
 * Example 3: <tt> </tt> &rarr;  (same link)
 * Example 4: <tt> </tt> &rarr;

More documentation at each template. I hope these help! -- Ben 23:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

New template rfcu

 * rfcu
 * links to WP:RFCU (checkuser) page on a user, if it exists
 * enter username, else defaults to basepagename, e.g. username of a user page or user talk page
 * enter linklabel, else defaults to descriptive label
 * Example 1: <tt> </tt> &rarr;
 * Example 2: <tt> </tt> &rarr; (same link)
 * Example 3: <tt> </tt> &rarr;
 * Example 4: <tt> </tt> &rarr;

Added at the request of Akhilleus. -- Ben 10:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

New template usercheck, addition suggested to user5

 * usercheck
 * Looks for same pages as userblock, plus three of the above new page-check templates (plus new ssp, see below)
 * Example: <tt> </tt> &rarr;

Suggested rfcu be added to the end of user5, thus:
 * Example: <tt> </tt> &rarr; User: (talk • contribs • [/wiki/Special:Log/move?user= page moves ] • block user • [/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User: block log ] • )

Since User5 is used extensively at Suspected sock puppets, it could be very helpful to have that link at the end finding any checkuser pages that exist for the users listed. -- Ben 04:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

New template ssp

 * ssp
 * links to WP:SSP (suspected sock puppet) page on a user, if it exists
 * enter username, else defaults to basepagename, e.g. username of a user page or user talk page
 * enter linklabel, else defaults to descriptive label
 * Example 1: <tt> </tt> &rarr; WP:SSP page on "Mykungfu"
 * Example 2: <tt> </tt> &rarr; Mykungfu's latest SSP (same link)
 * Example 3: <tt> </tt> &rarr; <span style="color:gray;" title="There is no Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Jimbo Wales&#32;">There is no WP:SSP page on "Jimbo Wales"
 * Example 4: <tt> </tt> &rarr; WP:SSP page on "Example"

-- Ben 23:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA:TEMPLATE concept
WIKIPEDIA:TEMPLATE is redirecting to this project page.

Sugestion (add text) to explain concepts:

The wiki templates are powerful tools for editing Wikipedia articles. A "wiki template" is a kind of sub-template, and the "Wikipedia Edit Language" uses the notation  for the sub-template reference. Use  on edit to produce a link to the template declaration (source code defining the template).

Technical note: "Wiki template references" are embedded on the "Wikipedia Edit Language", as a web template embedded language, using the open   and close    hooks, for enclose the wiki template language syntax, where valid names and valid instructions can be used,  like template reference, as , and conditions, as. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krauss (talk • contribs) 07:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)