Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/May 10, 2007

So, uh, why isn't artwork used as the picture? We're allowed to use fair-use images on the main page you know... Modest Genius talk 00:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use images on the main page rehashed
I'm copying this here from Danny and my talk pages:

The article is about the art, not the man, making the replacement image inappropriate. Fair use images are allowed, and have a long history of being allowed, on the main page, per Non-free content criteria exemptions. Besides which, messing about with it the day of, when it was selected for the main page five days ago, is unfair to the article's editors. I'd appreciate it if you could reinstall the original artwork. Thanks, Doctor Sunshine   talk  02:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but nowhere does it say that Fair Use images may be used on the Main Page, and the new board policy to limit fair use precludes its inclusion there. You might want to go back to see the discussion over Scooby Doo when it was a featured article. Danny 03:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Please note that after a very long discussion at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content criteria exemptions, the consensus was that having non-free images on the main page was not in keeping with the goals of Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation. You will see the edit changing the page to reflect consensus here. It has not been reverted. Times have changed, as have expectations for the mainpage. Mak (talk)  03:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I took part in the Scooby Doo discussion. You'll note that the board's release about fair use images only iterated polices already in use and did not change anything. Fair use images have been used on the main page for the past 3 years. The small sect of editors have interpreted this otherwise and attempted to remove the exemption but, as you'll see on the exemption's talk page, they were unsuccessful. Doctor Sunshine   talk  03:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It is not a small sect of editors, nor was their attempt unsuccessful. As Makemi pointed out, this is a new policy, in line with efforts to reduce Fair Use. In this particular instance, there is a reasonable alternative, the image of Warhol himself. Its use on the main page is much more in keeping with the concept of a free-content encyclopedia, which we have always been stri9ving to create. Danny 03:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It is a small sect of editors. No consensus was reached. And unrelated or marginally-related images hurt the quality and professionalism of Wikipedia. The picture of Warhol is slightly better than the dogs used in place of Scooby Doo, which was comical, but it's still misleading. Please point me to the policy that says free images are no longer allowed on the front page. And I wonder if you might consider continuing this here so that anyone else interested might join in. Doctor Sunshine   talk  03:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually would you mind if i copied our discussion there? Doctor Sunshine   talk  03:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Go ahead. Danny 03:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Might as well start this up again. I'm renominating the idea of a watch list poll on this subject. Doctor Sunshine  talk  03:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

It's laughable that we're not showing a piece of artwork on the main page for an article about that piece of artwork. Wikipedia is making a laughing stock of itself thanks to the cultists of "free content". — Brian ( talk ) 05:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If you can't put the proper image of an article in the TFA box, why would it be approved as a Featured Article in the first place? Kreachure 19:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Danny? Are you still there? Can you please point me to the policy page you're talking about? I've certainly never seen it. Or where in the exemption's talk page it can be interpreted that consensus was changed? It seems to me it was just a lot of back and forth in equal numbers on both sides. A poll on a less obscure page, where people aren't discouraged from taking part, would settle this forthwith. Or in the board's release where does it say they were changing policy instead of officially stating policies already in practice? I'll quote, ""The resolution will seek to clarify something that has been true for some time but may not have been stated in a clear enough form as guidance for the various communities to follow."" If what you've said is accurate, you should be able to back it up with some evidence. All of the free-image-only crew went quiet at about this point during the Scooby Doo image discussion too. That's why I'm pushing the point. Using images representative of the actual FAs, even if that means 2 or 3 fair use pictures in a month, only serves to maintain a professional appearance, which in turn leads to credibility. The hardline approach is neither policy, nor does it help Wikipedia. Doctor Sunshine  talk  20:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

American English
Please change "semi-mechanised" to "semi-mechanized" per WP:ENGVAR. DHN 05:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Photo
I can understand that we shouldn't use a photo on the main page that has rights problems, but to have the main page photo for an article about a piece of artwork that isn't that piece of artwork seems ridiculous to me. --Dweller 12:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Image name changed
The redlink on the page is because the image name on Commons changed:. Please either change the image link from ".png" to ".jpg", or remove the redlink altogether. I favour removing the redlink altogether, as the discussion above indicates that no picture is better than a picture of the artist for an article about the artwork. Disclaimer: I'm in the camp of opinion that thinks we should allow fair-use of artworks on the Main Page and in TFA blurb archives when the article is about the artwork. Carcharoth 17:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 20:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)