Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 10

RPP failing
I just attempted twice to request page protection using Twinkle's RPP tab, and neither succeeded. I have added the listing manually, and now, as a last effort before bed, am asking here if anyone else is having problems. I bypassed my cache to no avail. Settings for the request were semi-protection -> vandalism with a comment. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 05:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I too have had a couple problems with RPP, coincidentally, the problems I've had with it have all been around 05:00 UTC also. It seems like Twinkle has some problems with RFPP that late at night (at least it is late at night where I'm from). - Rjd0060 17:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone had changed the layout on the RPP page, have reverted it. → Aza Toth 17:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

CSD G6
CSDG6 (histmerge) should request the page it's being merged with. See (possibly deleted contrib by now). The Evil Spartan 00:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

bouquet
is it okay if i just post a love letter to Twinkle here? i don't want to get into trouble. however, i love twinkle. it's reduced by an order of magnitude the effort needed to deal with asshats, and increased by an order of magnitude my enjoyment of editing on WP. it's the next best thing to sliced bread. and it doesn't leave crumbs! Anastrophe 18:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * True that. With all the various enhancements to TW, it's a very worthwhile tool.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Restrict Twinkle to autoconfirmed users
I've been noticing recently that vandals and socks of banned editors have been installing Twinkle as their first edit, then going on rampages. Rather than doing something heavy-handed like whitelisting users in the vein of WP:VP, I propose that we limit it to autoconfirmed users only. There is very little chance of a legitimate new user finding out Twinkle, and those that do can wait four days. east. 718 at 07:26, November 24, 2007
 * You could probably use an api request, to see if the user in question has the right "autoconfirmed". Dunno how much that would slow things down, however... SQL Query me!  07:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There is already such a function provided by the morebits.js which accesses the 'wgUserGroups' variable and needs nearly no time, but the vandal would be able to copy the code of Twinkle and remove this line (at least if he's intelligent enough to do that). --Oxymoron83 07:45, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Very true, it'd probably be very easily disabled. SQL Query me!  09:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt that vandals have the technical knowledge or time to fiddle with the script. east. 718 at 10:13, November 24, 2007
 * As long as the twinkle code is broken into several modules, and we tell people to install it by inclusion, it'll be difficult to remove that code (since they may not ever realize it's a possiblilty). To make it more difficult, is it possible to include that permissions check more than once without breaking the code? (ie they'd have to find multiple instances)
 * Another possibility is to add a module which must be installed for the others to work. This module would just add the username to a list somewhere on the first edit using TW (regardless of whether they wait after installing it, so this is better than autoconfirmed in a sense). The list would be protected, and once we're happy that a user isn't a vandal, they get removed by an admin.
 * I don't think this is a very big problem at present, but I suspect it will become a bigger problem in the future. It's a good thing to be looking ahead. – Mike . lifeguard  &#124; @en.wb 15:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe it'd be easier to make users wait until they are autoconfirmed to edit their monobook.js. John Reaves 04:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See the next section for a possible solution involving mw:Extension:Gadgets. – Mike . lifeguard  &#124; @en.wb 12:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Can TW be turned into a Greasemonkey script?
Since WikEd was turned into a Greasemonkey script, I got to thinking that this might also be done with Twinkle. One advantage would be that it could be turned on and off without editing ones monobook.js and clearing the cache, a disadvantage would be that it would not be available when one edits WP from another computer.

It would also benefit those with slow dialup connections because the code wouldn't have to be downloaded when the page loads already being on your computer.--Ron Ritzman (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I would oppose a total conversion because I like having TW at my fingertips no matter where I am. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I would oppose replacing Twinkle with a Greasemonkey script, as I don't use GM and I edit from three different computers so I like having Twinkle available the minute I log in.  Perhaps a GM version could be made for those who want to use it, but keep the current one too, please. :) Collectonian (talk) 04:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * A "greasemonkey version" is what I meant. (WikEd is available as both) Discontinuing the *.js version would lock out those who don't use Gecko based browsers.--Ron Ritzman (talk) 05:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't want to speak for AzaToth, but I doubt he would want to maintain two different forks just to appease a few users... east. 718 at 05:47, November 25, 2007


 * I think Twinkle already locks out IE users, which is about 80% of the browsing public. Locking out non-Gecko people would just be another, what, 5? 10? :P I'm only kidding; I don't think AzaToth should have to maintain multiple versions, either. One version is hard enough, I think. And asking him to make it IE-compatible, well... Chinese water torture, at best. I shudder at the thought of writing an IE-compatible anything, even basic CSS. Yuck! Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 06:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, so it seems that consensus is against this idea but ironically, GM might be a workaround for the IE problem. There's now a version of GM for IE. If someone were to write a version of TW for IE as a "GMIE" script, that would save the developer from having to bloat up the main script for IE support.--Ron Ritzman (talk) 15:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the main concern for making TW work in IE is the fact that a compatible version would pretty much be a different script. IE just does things so differently from all the other browsers that it's not particularly feasible to re-invent the wheel, so to speak. Unless someone well-versed in IE-specific coding comes along... Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 15:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Note that I'm no expert, but I think there are technical reasons why this won't work. As I understand it, Greasemonkey scripts can alter the page as it loads, but the code is not available for execution after that. So the page would load, you'd get your buttons and links, but I don't think it would be possible to then have a click on "revert" call whatever it normally calls due to this limitation. – Mike . lifeguard  &#124; @en.wb 07:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Um, I think it is. The GM version of wikEd would have to have functions available, and the famous (arguably) Gmail Macros script relies on functions in the Greasemonkey code to perform its magic. The label selector, for instance. It's not a question of whether it can be done, but whether such an implementation is worthwhile. In my very humble opinion, it's an unnecessary extra step in this case. At least wikEd works on any MediaWiki. Twinkle relies on processes and templates that most likely only exist here, at least in any sufficiently similar form. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 08:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

There would be no difference in the compabillity problems if changing into greasemonkey, IE still cannot do things needed to make this script work (xpath for example) → Aza Toth 15:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure this would be a much larger discussion, requiring much more input that could be gathered here, but... mw:Extension:Gadgets allows easy access to js/css. This requires an account, since it is accessed from Preferences. It is conceivable (I don't know whether this is currently possible) that it could be restricted to autoconfirmed as well, if we decided to do that. – Mike . lifeguard  &#124; @en.wb 06:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Duesentrieb says it would be pointless to restrict Gadgets to autoconfirmed since doing so can't actually stop the motivated from gaining access to the script. Nonetheless, I think enabling this extension would be a useful endeavour, especially considering that en.wp has most of the toys ;) – Mike . lifeguard  &#124; @en.wb 22:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Message
I would suggest that the automated message when a page-you-wrote-is-up-for-deletion is (1) severely pruned, and/or (2) gets an opt-out list, and/or (3) NOT get sent when said first edit was actually a page move. See, I kind of don't appreciate getting a lengthy message that explains that yes, we have this nifty process called "articles for deletion" which is used for the, guess what, deletion of articles, and you can go there but not raise a sockfarm, oh and did you know you can sign your talk page posts with four tildes? WP:TEMPLAR, and all that.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  00:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Twinkle is just a tool - if there's any fault, it lies with the user. I don't think this is a big enough problem to create a new feature. If you don't like the warning, then remove it and forget it ever happened. – Mike . lifeguard  &#124; @en.wb 00:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not worth a new feature, but I was searching for the text that is put there, so that this can be pruned and/or reworded - and I was pointed here. Is it some kind of MediaWiki page?  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  17:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's Template:AFDWarning dude. → Aza Toth 17:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Failed to find target
I keep getting errors saying that it can't find the "target page". This happens with AfD and TfD. Any idea what's up? Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Not listed AfDs on today's log?
My last two AfDs both failed to add to Articles for deletion/Log/2007 December 5, and I just did them by hand. The error was that it failed to find the target page. Thanks. Lawrence Cohen 19:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The actual error text (just happened again) was "Adding discussion to todays list: failed to find target spot to add the discussion to." Lawrence Cohen 19:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a bug, someone fnucked with the AFD page. → Aza Toth 19:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Bug: removing links on page deletion
When I deleted a page, Twinkle apparently deleted not only the link to it on another page, but also the references section and the categories, among other things (diff).  нмŵוτн τ  18:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Can't prople stop repating thing bug again, and again, yes, I know, but I don't know why. → Aza Toth 18:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I apologize. I had no idea that it was ever previously brought up. Thanks for your reply.  нмŵוτн τ  18:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. I just had had an other bug report of this yesterday. All I can say is that this bug confuses me highly, as it's highly irregular (one doing 10000 twinkle edits experience the bug zero times, and one having made 10 edits experience it 2 times) and that it's non-repeatable (The bug will not show itself twice on a similar edit, like undo and revert again). For myself, I have never experienced this bug, so how should I be able to debug it? The only thing I have been able to identify, is three possible locations of the bug, 1: The transmission from the API, 2: twinkle itself, and 3: a bug in the JS engine. I think it's probably the lest alternative, a bug in the JS engine, i.e. memory exhaustion etc... Though, the only way to know is to gather useful data, for me it gives not much to see a broken diff (yea, it's broken, but why?), I need to know exactly what was said between the client and the server, the exact browser and the OS used. → Aza Toth 18:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

"OrphanBacklinks" option occasionally causes a mess
I don't use Twinkle, but on more than one occasion I have had to clean up the mess it leaves behind. The most recent example is the following: As I mentioned, I don't use Twinkle, so I don't know if this last operation is fully automatic, or if it requires manual approval (like the "Save" or "Ignore" buttons in WP:AWB), so I don't know whether to talk to individual editors or ask for a feature enhancement. This is not the first time this scenario has happened for me either, so it's not a one-time complaint I have. Thanks, Andrwsc (talk) 16:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * We should have an article for the notable Lance Larson, who is a former world record holder and Olympic medalist in swimming. It had been a redlink on many Olympic and swimming articles.
 * An article was created for a different Lance Larson, but no effort was made to create a disambiguation page etc., so the links to Lance Larson from World record progression 100 metres butterfly (for example), now resolve to this different person.
 * The second Lance Larson turns out to be non-notable, so his article is speedily deleted.
 * An editor using Twinkle then removes all the backlinks to Lance Larson instead of leaving redlinks (as before) for the swimmer.
 * It's an automatic feature which is enabled by default. When you delete a page you can select not to orphan backlinks. I've had exactly the same problem . Hut 8.5 17:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Wording
The following is taken from User talk:AzaToth/twinklefluff.js. Grace notes T § 17:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) General note: Vandalism on Frosty the Snowman. using TW
 * 2) Reverted 1 edit by 68.1.163.233 identified as vandalism to last revision by 156.34.199.41. using TW

Some improvements here:


 * Please remove the full stop (period) after the article/user reverted to.
 * Please don't link the user reverted to (or link to contributions, IPs don't normally have a userpage).
 * Vandalism in the first summary should not be capitalised.

Otherwise thanks for a great tool so far.  Red rocket  boy  19:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I beg to differ on the third point. From what I know of English grammar, capitalizing the 'V' is perfectly fine, and is actually correct. The other two points I totally agree with. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 03:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as the first point goes, you could always change Twinkle's summary ad parameter in the configuration. I changed mine to "(using Twinkle)", which makes a bit more sense, at least to me.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 04:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD tag
I nominated for deletion today, it was fine, but it seems like it did not place a tag on the nominated page. Anyone had this? Thanks, Brusegadi (talk) 11:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Usuage on IE
When it says "will not work on IE", does it mean completely? As in nothing of it works? Or is it just partially?--Sunny910910 (talk 02:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't vouch for IE7, but no tabs show up on articles at all in IE6. I would lean toward the "nothing of it works" meaning. Is it that you don't have access to Firefox? Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 04:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not that I don't have access to Firefox, I just prefer to use IE. Thanks for the reply though. I'll try using it with IE7, hopefully something will work.--Sunny910910 (talk 01:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've just tested TW on IE7, it shows the tabs but nothing happens when they are pressed.--Sunny910910 (talk 01:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I wasn't expecting it to, really. IE's JavaScript engine just works so much differently from Firefox's (and other Mozilla browsers) that it's just not practical to support it. AzaToth has already said he has no intention of making TW IE-compatible. Sorry! Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 04:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * i use maxthon for 99.999% of my web browsing (no other browser will handle having 100 tabs open at the same time quite as smoothly) - but i keep firefox open ONLY in order to use twinkle on WP. its' worth the trouble to me to have a second browser open just for that. twinkle rocks, steadfastly, and gloriously. Anastrophe (talk) 05:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Problem with Twinkle
Why is it that when i always change my userpage and talk page, and when i add scripts to the mono book, Twinkle identify the changes on my contributions as Vandalism, this is getting annoying, i haven't vandalized anything on wikipedia why then is it saying that i did. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 08:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Even adding this new comment appears as Vandalisms according to Twinkle. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 08:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Um, Twinkle hasn't identified anything you've done as vandalism. It doesn't work that way.  It isn't automatic or anything.  If you mean the vandalism link that appears in the history, that is a short cut to Rollback as Vandalism.  Just like with the diff page, it only shows up if the edit can be rollbacked.  It isn't saying "this is vandalism" but asking if you want to tag is as vandalism.  Collectonian (talk) 08:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * So dose that mean I'm clean then, it's only the history which has the vandalism on it, next to rollback. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 18:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, you're fine. :)  Its just a nice convenient link to have, especially if you're dealing with the history of a repeat vandal.  Can just go through and hit that link without having to load every page :D  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Collectonian (talk • contribs) 18:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That's good to hear, i've actually been worrying about it today but I'm relaxed now since i've been told that I'm alright, now i can monitor the pages closely for any responses to my messages to my former account SKYNET X5000 and SKYNET X3000. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 18:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

AOL 9.0 VR
How do you perform a bypass in AOL? --Gp75motorsports (talk) 21:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by a bypass? ff m  23:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Not Working
I've no idea what's happened to me, but I can't get Twinkle to work. Maybe it's something wrong with my monobook for something (I've got several bordering on ancient scripts in there), but I've tried on Safari 3, Camino, and Firefox so it must be something here. Was there some big javascript change that I missed or something? -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 23:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Try this version where I removed a script that looked like it was causing some conflicts. ff m  00:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Mine broke too.. Last time I used it everything was fine. Yesterday I started getting errors. Unable to grab editform. No TW features work at all.. I haven't changed anything but can't be sure if M$ hasn't done something to break the script in one of the routine updates. (Even tried it without any firewall, same problem.) It just started out of the blue and don't know why.. -- DP 67  (talk/contribs) 03:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no problems at all, with Firefox. - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhpas MS own "antiphishing" software is hijacking the HTTP stream. → Aza Toth 10:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Not sure what's going on.. It was working, then it stopped. I haven't changed anything personally, so I'm at a loss.. Even checked anti-phishing and tried it both on and off and still the same result. Win-firewall on and off.. still not working, no other firewalls running. All I have to blame is one of those infamous MS auto-updates must have broke something, or changed something somewhere without asking first.. Gee would they actually do that??? LOL As long as I don't loose my edit tools I'll be happy. It's convenient to have TW but I only watch my own list anyway, I soon found out RP Patrol and vigilantly fighting vandals around here is a sure way to loose what little bit of sanity I have left! hehe
 * -- DP 67  (talk/contribs) 20:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

FYI: I think I've resolved the problem. I turned off Zone Alarms Agent from startup.Thinking it would disable it, but it doesn't. It only kills the tray icon whilst the root program still runs as a background service. In order to run Twinkle I had to turn off ZA from the ZA control panel and Twinkle worked OK fine. Of course I don't recommend running no firewall forever, once you've done your RC duties or your watchlist rv's you should turn it back on. Can't speak for you lot running Norton and having troubles may or may not be the same issue. -- DP 67  (talk/contribs) 14:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

PUI tagging
When I tag an image for WP:PUI using Twinkle, the note it leaves on the uploader's talk page is not being signed. --B (talk) 05:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

FWI, I have fixed this in the script -. --B (talk) 20:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. → Aza Toth 14:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

CSD images, article notifications
When did Twinkle stop editing articles to leave a note that an image is up for deletion? I did a couple of image CSDs today for speedy and just noticed that it doesn't do that? Didn't it used to? Lawrence Cohen 14:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I found what my confusion was, nevermind. Lawrence Cohen  14:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

"Cancel" button doesn't
I just performed a rollback (norm) and clicked the Cancel button in the comment prompt, expecting to cancel the revert. Instead, I performed a comment-less undo. Would it be possible to check whether the prompt returns NULL or an empty string, and branch based on that? I realize it would probably change the way some people use the script, but I feel having the cancel button functioning would be more useful than the current behavior. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 06:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The comment button only adds a reason why you reverted, it doesn't cancel the revert. --Signed by Elassint the Great  Hi! 04:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Why not let it cancel it? Clicking OK without entering anything in would make a comment-less one. —Random832 20:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Or, if the comment popup has two buttons one of which functions to add the comment and the other of which doesn't add the comment but doesn't cancel the reversion, label the buttons "add comment" and "no comment". The "Cancel" label is ambiguous and misleading (witness this discussion). -- Boracay Bill (talk) 23:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, changing the button labels is impossible unless AzaToth were to create an entirely new function in morebits.js to pop up a fake  box. It should be pretty simple to branch the script based on whether the output from the   call is   ("Cancel" clicked) or   (an empty string; OK button clicked with no comment entered), and revert with no comment or cancel as appropriate. I'm sure if AzaToth sees this, my point will be obvious. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 04:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * . Oh well.... I notice, however, that closing the comment popup by clicking on "X" rather than clicking either of the buttons does stop the reversion. Perhaps that could be pointed out in the comment popup. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 00:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I should do some tests on that. Good thing I have Firebug installed. :)


 * That's odd... "Cancel" and "X" both return, but you say the latter stops the reversion? Weird. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 04:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Beat me with a stick! I'm sure that's what I saw earlier, but two test reversions (preceeding ones -- next time I'll use the sandbox) both went through, first clicking "X" and then clicking "Cancel". I'll try to make it happen again and perhaps figure out what I did differently. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 04:34, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah! It seems that I misremembered what I had been doing. It looks like the "User has done N edits, do you still want to do the revert?" confirmation popup does cancel the rollback on "X" or "Cancel", the comment popup does not. -- Boracay Bill (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 05:02, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

(reset indent) Weeeelllll... That does sound more like what I thought should happen. If both "X" and "Cancel" return, then the script has no way to tell the two apart, and they should be equivalent in functionality. I was kind of wondering about that. Now it's cleared up. Perhaps I'll take a look at Twinkle's revert module some time and see if I can write a patch myself. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 05:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

PS: Consider yourself whacked, Bill. :P

UAA reporting
do I understand correctly that TW has a button for reporting usernames? I have proposed a new template here, if it is accepted please change this function to use the new template. —Random832 20:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

User warnings for protected pages
Is it possible to check to see if a user talk page is fully protected or SALTed before issuing an image deletion warning and not issue the warning in those cases? --B (talk) 20:29, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle oddity
Hi. I've been dealing with this for over a week at least. When I try to revert a page, Twinkle hangs up at midpoint with a note that "Reverting page: couldn't grab element "editform", aborting, this could indicate failed respons from the server". When I try to use Twinkle to place a note on a talk page, it hangs up and never completes the task. I thought it might be a compatibility issue with User:^demon's CSD notice templates, currently hosted by User:AuburnPilot, but even when I've uninstalled it, Twinkle still has the same issue. The only way I can revert a page is to uninstall Twinkle. Any chance anybody can help me out with this? :) I don't want to uninstall Twinkle. I like. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Possible you are using windows and Zonealarm or Northon Internet Security. → Aza Toth 13:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, Windows & ZoneAlarm. Oh, I see on the front that ZoneAlarm can break the script. Sorry for not noticing that. :( It worked fine for me for quite some time, so it didn't occur to me that there might be an issue with a pre-existing program on my computer. Bummer. Is this something fixable at some point, or am I doomed? (Warning: I am technologically clueless. Please answer in small words. :D) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I had the same problem and in the end I think I ended up using another computer :S Tiddly  -  Tom  12:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The section entitled Not Working below this discussion a similar problem. See their remedy works for you. Tiddly  -  Tom  12:35, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Db-bio?
So when you use Twinkle to tag an article for deletion, and you choose A7: Unremarkable people, groups, companies and web content, it tags the article with Db-bio. However, Db-bio specicially says ''It is an article about a that does not indicate the |importance or significance of the subject. (CSD A7)''. Db-bio tag doesn't mention anything about groups, companies and web content. The tags for those are Db-band, Db-inc, and Db-web. So, the coding of Twinkle should be changed to reflect this. It's caused me a big headache today on an article I tagged with TW. -- ALLSTAR  echo 11:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I concur ... this thread on the Template:Db-bio talk page echoes the problem, and it may cause an edit war on the template unless resolved here ... as I see it, changing which template is used as the "generic default" should be a trivial modification, as easy as modifying  to recognize a new notability guideline, such as Films, if someone should create a   ... Happy Editing! &mdash; 18:03, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Never mind! Db-bio has a Legacy History as the "generic" template, and it is currently used by Db-band, Db-inc, and Db-web ... it defaults to "real person" and WP:BIO (user error?) ... see the thread on the Db-bio talk page about how to make a Truly Generic Db-A7 template. :-) &mdash;72.75.72.63 (talk) 23:00, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

is now operational as a generic template to include all things mentioned in CSD A7. It should be incorporated into Twinkle ASAP. -- ALLSTAR  echo 01:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD
When I report articles to TfD using Twinkle, it always says 'Could not find current discussion to add template to.' or something along those lines. I was wondering why this happens as other XfD routines work. I am using Vista and Firefox 3 Beta 2. >< Richard  Ω6  12  20:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll bet 1,000,000 edits this is being caused by a change in the TfD page layout. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 20:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I'm sure it is, but does anyone know what is causing it. I looked in the javascript code to find what it looks for at TfD, but I couldn't see anything amiss on the TfD page. >< Richard  Ω6  12  10:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Seems to be working now, never mind. >< Richard  Ω6  12  20:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

What is this, and how do I fix it?
When I nominate an article for deletion, I get this:


 * Tagging article with deletion tag: data loaded...
 * Creating article deletion discussion page: data loaded...
 * Adding discussion to todays list: failed to find target spot to add the discussion to.
 * Notifying of initial contributor (Aboutabout): data loaded...

The result is that it creates the discussion and notifies the creator, but it doesn't add anything to the list of articles at AfD. Using Opera 9.23 for what it's worth. Does anyone know how I can fix this? Lankiveil (talk) 06:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC).


 * See the discussion above about TfD, it may apply here as well. >< Richard  Ω6  12  10:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD question
I don't know much about this tool but noticed that whilst using Twinkle someone had started a new AfD page over an previous discussion ( - this has since been fixed), is this a problem with the tool or just a mistake on the part of the user? Regards, Guest9999 (talk) 05:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)]]