Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 19

Stop auto page-watch?
I am illiterate in JS, how would I edit the TW script to NOT add any pages to my watchlist, or possibly to maybe have a prompt to ask me if I would like to? A p3rson (talk) 01:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I looked at your monobook.js page, and noticed you have nothing there. You installed TW from the Gadgets tab in your preferences, didn't you?


 * First of all, you need to un-check Twinkle from your Gadgets, and then install it manually by doing a copypasta of the script into your monobook.js file from Twinkle/doc. The relevant line to change is this:

watchRevertedPages             :       [ ],


 * Alternately, you can just copy Twinkle's installation code into your monobook.js from my monobook.js file. That's already set up to not add any pages to the watchlist.  You just need to copy everything under the Twinkle header.  You still have to disable Twinkle as a gadget in your preferences, though.  If you're going to install Twinkle off of my monobook, though, you might also want to consider installing Friendly while you're at it (if you also have Friendly installed as a gadget, fine, but if you want to customize Friendly, you'll need to install it this way anyway and disable it as a gadget).  SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:46, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not use monobook. I use vector (beta part.), and if you look at my vector.js page, there should be some stuff there. A p3rson (talk) 08:00, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * EDIT - I found that line in my vector.js file. I'm going to see if fixing it works. A p3rson (talk) 08:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * EDIT2 - Didn't work.  A   p3rson  02:16, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * EDIT3 - Tried manual install, didn't work either. Help? A   p3rson  02:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * EDIT4 - All in order. I was confusing the watching of user pages to TW, instead of Friendly. All in order now! A   p3rson  02:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Monobook? Vector? At first I did not know what these meant. These are skins that change the appearance of Wikipedia and are accessed through Preferences->appearance. For any logged-in user to access their js file, click here to go to your skin script file. I use modern, so I had another problem in that I had to go click a special button under gadgets that is specifically for using scripts with the modern skin. But all sorted now! Thanks.  Blue Rasberry  16:26, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Red links
Whenever I nominate an article for deletion at AFD using Twinkle the link to the AFD page on the article and the creator's userpage always come up as red links (See for example Celebrity Pornhab with Dr. Screw) however if you click the red link it takes you to the correct page. Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong? Thanks. EuroPride (talk) 17:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It can take a bit of time for the cache to update. It's not anything specific to Twinkle, as far as I can tell. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  20:09, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Seconded. It's just Wikipedia doing its thing, and if you click on the link, despite its red color, it still works as if it were blue.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:15, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

db-move parameters
When I use db-move (WP:CSD G6), Twinkle doesn't give me the chance to add the parameters for the page to be moved and reason for the move, like it does with other templates (for example, db-userreq). I have to manually add them in a subsequent edit every time. Can something be done about this? &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 12:48, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, thanks for the note. Amalthea  12:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

prodReasonDefault?
What exactly is this for? There isn't any documentation in the config page. Has it been changed? A p3rson (talk) 00:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What does it sound like? Amalthea  23:29, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Prod, I'm not sure, but it sounds like the default reason for something. But for what? A p 3 rson  ✉   00:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, well, WP:PROD. Amalthea  12:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

"I see said the blind man to his deaf wife, after he picked up his hammer and saw." In other words, I understand now. A p 3 rson ‽   23:03, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

"Rollback" option on my own contributions page
It was never likely that I was going to use the TW "Rollback" facility on my own contributions but that bold, red option in the list was a very handy indicator of which pages hadn't been changed "since mine". I'm missing it! --Old Moonraker (talk) 22:43, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ask, and ye . You might need to bypass your browser cache to apply the config change.  Amalthea  23:26, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Personal service very much appreciated. Cache emptied, but I still can't get it to work in default or Vector skin.--Old Moonraker (talk) 07:06, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you try again, please? Turns out there was a bug introduced by a recent MediaWiki change. Amalthea  09:18, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's back. Grateful thanks. --Old Moonraker (talk) 12:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

RFPP
Apologies if this is the wrong venue for this problem. When I try to request page protection using the Twinkle tab I get the following message: "Requesting protection of page: The marker that identifies where the protection request is supposed to be added on WP:RFPP could not be found. Aborting..." I have never used this feature before so it's very possible that I'm missing something elementary. -- Pink Bull  16:54, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Twinkle needs to rely on markers in the page to know where to place the requests. If they are altered, Twinkle won't know what to do. Should be working again, and be slightly more robust. Amalthea  18:43, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It works just fine now. I requested unprotection of an article earlier with no problems. ~ N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 18:46, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys, understood. Now it's working.-- Pink Bull  19:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I have the same problem that Pinkbull used to have even after Pinkbull says that it is working. Where is that marker? Andrewlp1991 (talk) 06:28, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sigh, alright, bypass your browser cache and it works again. It now looks for the "Current requests for (un)protection" section headers in various forms, allows some cruft below them (transcluded templates (with up to one level of subtemplates), empty lines, comments), and still places the new request section correctly. This should now only go wrong if the section header is renamed or moved into a template. Amalthea  08:45, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

A new "Warn" menu?
I believe that TW should add a new, "Warn" menu to the diff page of articles. This would make anti-vandals job's infinetly easier. Maybe a "Warn" pop-up, which can set options directly from the diff page? A p 3 rson ‽   00:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It is a good idea - done similarly to the way Friendly does its welcome function. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:15, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * How will you know which warning level to apply (other than through "mixing magic", not that I necessarily think that's bad)? Amalthea  10:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What does this "mixing magic", I keep hearing about, mean anyway? Does this have anything to do with magic words? --JokerXtreme (talk) 11:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Schumin has explained it a couple sections up: just that it requires you to use other scripts, like WP:NAVPOP, to properly use a script feature. Amalthea  11:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. Makes sense. --JokerXtreme (talk) 11:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant an option, where the "Warn" menu is the same as a warn menu on a talk page, preloaded with the article name. This would open on the actual page, and once you have hit the "Submit" button, it would open up the talk page in a window/tab for you to see. Also, it could maybe even select a type of warning, if the page is tagged with certain strings ("section blanking" would default to ).  A p 3 rson  ‽   22:57, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I want something like this, basically similar to Friendly's welcome link on the diffs, where the article is pre-filled. That's all I'm really concerned about.  I just want a pre-filled article name when I warn.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:32, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Rollback links in user contributions
I recently went to rollback a user's edits from his contributions page and I found that when I hit the rollback button I opened up the article's history instead of immediately changing the edit. Is there a way to change this back so when a user hits "rollback" from a user contributions page the edit gets undone automatically without having to click through the page history?  Them From  Space  04:20, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ WP:TW/BUGS, MediaWiki underwent some changes, and Twinkle was confused. Remember to bypass your browser cache. Amalthea  09:13, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Spam links warning
Please can I suggest that the line about "no-follow" is removed. The majority of people adding spam links are simply wanting to have their link displayed on Wikipedia to generate traffic, not thinking about search engine rankings. Having this line in therefore gives the impression that the person giving the warning doesn't really understand why they have added the link, but has still tried to "impress" the spammer with his own technical wisdom (as well as being slightly on the nerdy side). Halsteadk (talk) 10:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a WT:UTM issue, not Twinkle. Rd232 talk 10:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will post there. Halsteadk (talk) 11:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Rude messages
I recently encountered a dispute over Virgin birth (mythology) [since redirected]. I think a key point where it escalated involved some of Twinkle's messages at the user's talk page (User talk:Hammy64000) (I'm not familiar with Twinkle's range of messages, but these are credited to it in the edit summary; searching, it appears that the warning against blanking content is exceedingly rare, while the talk page threat occurs 578 times)  These included:

Please stop assuming ownership of articles such as Virgin birth (mythology). Doing so may lead to disruptive behavior such as edit wars and is a violation of policy, which may lead to a block from editing. Ari (talk) 09:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did here: Virgin birth (mythology). If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Calm down. Ari (talk) 10:04, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did to Miraculous births, you will be blocked from editing. Ari (talk) 05:27, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to use talk pages for inappropriate discussion, you may be blocked. Ari (talk) 04:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Now you can look at the history of that article and make up your own mind - each was "sort of" justified according to the descriptions given (Hammy64000 deleted Template:disputed and some other notices, and argued some points at the talk page). But when these messages started pouring in, Hammy64000 pretty much went ballistic, and the net impact was to make the situation much worse.

What I think is that things like "owning an article" or "inappropriate talk page discussion" are extremely subjective judgments that many editors disagree about. It isn't right to be mechanically bombarding rather confused inexperienced editors like Hammy64000 with these hard-edged threats. My point here is not to question Ari89's decision making here per se - I don't see any reason why any editor should be phrasing comments about such debatable issues in such severe language, or threatening blocks. The message about deleting "...portions of page content, templates..." is just confusing - I assume it's meant to say don't blank the template itself, not that removing one tag is page blanking? And saying Calm down. in italics really defeats the purpose of saying it, doesn't it. Last but not least, saying that an editor is "owning" an article, therefore he may get into an edit war, therefore he may be blocked, is not merely pulling out the crystal ball but really doesn't sound like it's assuming good faith at all.

While there is a place for stern warnings about clearly improper editing, you should reduce messages about debatable infractions to represent that they are personal opinions - replace the exclamation points with olive branches - and just lose a few of them. Wnt (talk) 18:21, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Templated user warnings are maintained by the editors organized at WP:UW, Twinkle merely facilitates their placements. The warnings on that user's page you refer to were mostly third-level warnings (uw-own3, uw-npa3, uw-delete3, uw-chat3, uw-agf3) and have less urging (or "threatening", as you say) counterparts – visit one of those templates to see the escalations. Twinkle can't and shouldn't enforce that one has to escalate them slowly, this has to be within the discretion of the user. I haven't researched the issue at all, but generally, you should first approach the editor who placed the warnings and discuss your concerns with them. If it can't be resolved or you find this to be a larger, problematic pattern, you could raise it at the respective administrator's noticeboard, WP:ANI. Personally, I almost exclusively use Twinkle warnings with vandalistic editors, and it's generally advised to not template the regulars – a brief personal message is much more effective. Amalthea  18:45, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing me to these - I'm not sure why they didn't come up in the search. As I said, I'm not directly criticizing this editor - I'd tell him I didn't like how he phrased himself, but in this case I don't like how the template phrased him.  Anyway it is now clear where the templates are, and that they are susceptible individually to discussion, revision, and TfD as appropriate. Wnt (talk) 22:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the third level messages are supposed to start using harsh language. You'll usually use them once you abandoned assumption of good faith, and I'd say that they have their place if used correctly, i.e. typically part of an escalation. That's why I said that if you disagree with the usage in this particular case, you should talk with the editor who placed them. Amalthea  12:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What Amalthea has said is really the point here. Level three warnings should not usually be used until more gentle advice has been offered and ignored. however, once that has happened there comes a point when it is appropriate to get tough. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

New Page Patrol problem
There have been some complaints again about a handful of new page patrollers not choosing to follow the community's advice about not patrolling pages within seconds of their creation. (See, e.g., Village pump (policy)/Archive_74.) Spamming tags into articles that someone is actively working on is unfriendly, irritating, and often unhelpful; it also produces edit conflicts and produces public complaints from new contributors. On the flip side, apparently waiting 15 minutes means that some other consensus-rejecting, overly hasty editor may have already speedied the obvious vandalism, so following the directions isn't as much fun.

Some of these hasty NPPers seem to rely on Twinkle and Friendly. Is it possible to change Twinkle or Friendly to make compliance with the community's NPP advice more likely, e.g., by not marking pages as patrolled if they're less than 5-10 minutes old? WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:57, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * That would be awesome. It's a mistake I made when I first starting doing recent changes patrol on more than one occasion.  One thing though; what about COI and obvious hoax type new pages (like when some kid makes a page about himself)?  The obvious hoax stuff is no big deal, those get grabbed quickly either way.  But new pages that are purely adverts of a COI nature I'm not sure about in terms of how quickly they are found if ignored the first 15.   Millahnna (mouse)  talk  23:28, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * If we patrol exactly the same way that we do now, only delaying the work by 15 minutes, then exactly the same stuff will be caught.
 * The question is really, "If a user first saves a page at 12:01, do we want to review that page at 12:02 or at 12:16?" IMO the version that is 15 minutes old will give you a much more accurate view of the article than one that is sixty seconds old and being actively edited.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:51, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

What about adding new unreviewed article to the Notice template section of Twinkle? This can be added to articles immediately without upsetting the author, and it would give NPP Twinklers something to do with their itchy fingers when they look at a new article and it's too early really to tag for cleanup. Rd232 talk 10:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Usually I'm waiting for some additional support for requested additional templates, but this one is ✅ added to Friendly notice tags now. I can't promise it will do any good of course, and it might need pointing out if you see overeager tagging. This is our fundamental patrolling dilemma, we want early patrollers for to catch G10s and G12s as early as possible, and on some articles an early SD tag is certainly appropriate and most constructive as far as the encyclopedia is concerned, but many other actions should be delayed. I don't think technical enforcement is really the answer here, but maybe Twinkle/Friendly can better assist in informing that e.g. early issue tags aren't always constructive. I'm open to ideas. Amalthea  23:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle Close Button
editprotected I'd like to change the Twinkle red "close" button to this: --mono (talk) 23:57, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Why? SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks better!--mono 23:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really. The close button needs to be red so it can easily be spotted, and this does not have it, I'm afraid.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:08, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Please replace  with   as the second image is a newer, nicer icon.--ℳøℕø 00:07, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * We're not changing the close button. The red "X" is functional and easy to spot, and I think that the suggested replacement is inferior to the current one.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you would like to look at the proposed image and the old image:

Thanks, m o n o National Pretzel Day 23:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, whatever, then. I'm okay with red-to-red.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:09, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you change it?  m o n o National Pretzel Day 01:35, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No. Outside my area of expertise.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:19, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It's Nuvola_apps_error.png changed to Crystal_button_cancel.svg. One red cross for an other. "Newer" is irrelevant. "Nicer" is a matter of taste. Why is this so important to you? Amalthea  23:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I support the change since the proposed image is an svg. The old close button also looks pixely on my iPhone. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ message • changes) 15:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Level 4 and 4im warning templates have changed their wording
Just as a heads-up: All of the level 4 and 4im warning templates have been reworded to incorporate some discussed changes. As an example, Template:Uw-vandalism4 now reads as follows:


 * This is the final warning that you are receiving regarding your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.

This doesn't require any changes to Twinkle's code, but Twinkle users should be aware that these templates now say something different than what they've been saying for years. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I was already aware of these changes, and I feel that they are a major improvement. Immunize (talk) 19:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * So do I. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

The level 3 warnings have also now been updated to harmonize with the new wording on the level 4 templates. The changes involved replacing instances of "will" with "may". SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Addition of Uw-bioblock template
New template that specifically address blocks for BLP violations, at Template:Uw-bioblock. Could this please be added to the warning section for Twinkle? Thanks. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:32, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ . Amalthea  09:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Vandal tagging

 * Moved to WT:Friendly.

watchWarnings = false
I have been trying to tweak my settings but have had no success. I want to warn vandals without having them get added to my watchlist. In my user preferences, the gadgets section does not have Twinkle checked, so whatever is on my monobook.js page should be active, and it is. However, the last change I made stopped the vandal warning page from coming; a change I did not want to make. I have been sticking code in without understanding what it does: I'm stuck! Binksternet (talk) 21:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have "Add pages I edit to my watchlist" checked in your preferences? Amalthea  23:28, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I do. I was hoping Twinkle could override that preference. Binksternet (talk) 13:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not ... yet. Amalthea  09:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm having this same problem and I don't have that option checked in my prefs. Twinkle is installed js not as gadget. The line in my js looks like:

TwinkleConfig.watchWarnings                            =       false;

It's the only autowatch thingie I can't seem to turn off. Ideas? Millahnna (mouse) talk  00:34, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd still like to know what I was doing wrong if anyone knows, but for now I got it to work by just copying the js file in the above section and keeping all of the watch parameters only (i.e. I didn't need other changes for now).  Millahnna (mouse)  talk  00:44, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You were missing the first line from WP:TW/DOC. Amalthea  09:43, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Help with TwinkleConfig.watchWarnings
Not sure if this is the place to ask - I have set TwinkleConfig.watchWarnings to false, but whenever I issue a warning to an IP user it still adds their page to my watchlist. My full config (at my monobook.js) is...

importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js'); if( typeof( TwinkleConfig ) == 'undefined' ) TwinkleConfig = {}; TwinkleConfig.watchRevertedPages = []; TwinkleConfig.showSharedIPNotice = false; TwinkleConfig.showRollbackLinks = [ 'diff' ]; TwinkleConfig.watchSpeedyPages = []; TwinkleConfig.watchWarnings = false;

My computer/browser setup = MacBook Pro/OS X 10.5.8/Firefox 3.6.3. Grateful for any suggestions -- Boing!   said Zebedee  09:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

PS: "Add pages I edit to my watchlist" is unchecked in my preferences -- Boing!   said Zebedee  09:41, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:NEWSECTION
 * "Add pages I create", too?
 * Amalthea 09:46, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Aargh! It was first-time warnings, so it was pages I was creating! Thanks for that - I like it when problems are caused by me being dumb, cos they're easily fixed then ;-) (PS: Thanks for the WP:NEWSECTION heads-up - I'd never seen it before, and I've been committing that sin for years but nobody has ever pointed it out to me before) -- Boing!   said Zebedee  10:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

How to integrate revision difference links with warnings better?
When I warn someone for vandalism, I have to copy the URL of the revision changes and paste them into the "More:" field. This results in an italicized phrase appended after the warning. For example, Your disruptive edit can be viewed here. This gets kind of old after awhile. I notice Huggle users seem to have their revision differences integrated into the message. Also, I saw (for the first time) someone leaving warnings with Twinkle, but the revision differences appeared as: (diff), and not in italics. Am I missing something? Is there an easier way to plug in the information required? –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  01:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Some of the comments above made me realize there may be a difference in coding between users. I don't use the monobook.js option, I just have TW turned on under "Gadgets". Maybe this is a possible explanation? –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  02:01, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * With TW, the warnings given are just the plain template. Additionally, I don't know how it would work on the diffs, especially when one reverts multiple edits with one sweep, plus unlike HG, TW's reverting and warning functions are separate (as they should be).  If you like the revert-and-warn-in-one-swoop functionality, why not give Huggle a spin and add it to your toolbelt?  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * And no, Monobook vs. gadget shouldn't make a difference in this case. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:43, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The fewer the gadgets, the better. I don't want revert-and-warn-in-one, I was just wondering if I was missing some secret that would allow me to plug in, say, only the Old ID reference number instead of having to do the "copy/paste URL into a sentence" method each and every time. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  04:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I figured it out. Someone was using two apostrophes before and after their "comments" which un-italicized their (diff) comments. So no special Twinkle trick was involved. Case closed. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  02:06, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

XFD tab from newpage patrol page defaults to RFD instead of AFD
One would think that this should default to AFD rather than RFD. Can this be fixed? SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, previous redirect check only looked for "redirect=no" in the query. Since apparently Special:Newpages adds that to each entry these days, they were all thought to be redirects. Amalthea  09:18, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Error message
I've recently been getting "Unable to grab editform" notices, and haven't changed my config lately. I use Zone Alarm, but haven't had problems before. Any ideas? Rodhull andemu  18:27, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * At least one other user had that exact same problem before, and he fixed it by disabling Zone Alarm: WT:Twinkle/Archive 10. Amalthea  11:35, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll try that. Rodhull  andemu  15:17, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Blacklisting
"Note that disruption only accounts using Twinkle are typically blocked from editing altogether." What? Svanslyck (talk) 22:30, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * In other words, if Twinkle is being used disruptively, rather than just being blacklisted for Twinkle, they're blocked for disruption.


 * This does, however, raise a point - considering that disruptive use of Twinkle is more likely to lead to a block from an administrator, and since blocking has more thorough regulation than the blacklist, Twinkle blacklisting is more likely to occur in the case of someone being prohibited from using automated tools by Arbcom. What do people think about turning control over the Twinkle blacklist to Arbcom, and letting them determine the contents of said blacklist?  Speaking for myself, I'd be more likely to block someone outright if they're engaging in disruptive behavior using Twinkle rather than revoke the Twinkle, since it's possible that someone could then just hop over to another tool and continue disruption.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally I agree with you, I have never used it, and don't see that I would. Some admins use it though, but I have hardly ever checked what prompted Twinkle blacklisting, and never monitored how successful a measure that was. Concerning Arbcom, I'm not aware of any user being placed on the blacklist due to an Arbcom case, and am only aware of one user being restricted from using Twinkle. In that particular case, a Twinkle blacklisting would be a joke, since it's really *trivial* for any user with some programming experience to figure out how to get by it. The main case I see where the blacklist is actually useful is with overeager, good-faithed, but often immature editors where warnings, reverts, or taggings with the click of a button is just too quick, and makes them not think about it first. Quite similar to revocation of the rollback right, actually. Amalthea  10:38, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

another customized block notice
We had a discussion last week at the WP:UAA talk page about users who don't think their edits are promotional if they are promoting a "noble cause" such as a charity or other nonprofit organization, and Template:Uw-causeblock was whipped up as a result. Any chance we could get it added to the arsenal? Beeblebrox (talk) 20:37, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ . Amalthea  22:32, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Beeblebrox (talk) 23:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Any remaining Vector issues?
Seeing that MediaWiki will switch the default skin to Vector in a couple of days, and since I don't use Vector myself: Are there any remaining issues with Twinkle and Vector that any of you know of? Amalthea 21:53, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Too new
I have been using Twinkle for sometime now but now it is telling me that I am too young to use Twinkle. Why is this?--Curtis23's Usalions 23:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * . I can't quite say how this happened for you, there are a couple of possibilities. I've just tweaked your monobook.js a bit to remove one possible cause for it. If it ever happens again, please just bypass your browser cache once and try again. Amalthea  10:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

twinkle doesn't work on Monobook anymore?
My twinkle top menus disappeared yesterday. I haven't futzed with my modern.js monobook.js or .css in a while, nor do I see any reason they would not work. Were they broken in order to support Vector? Am I the only one? It's making me much less effective in my adminly duties. tedder (talk) 17:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Most probably related to the section directly above, and they were not intentionally broken, no. Amory above is using Modern, and it works for me, so it doesn't appear to be a general problem. I assume you've switched skins now, since I notice you making Twinkle edits right now? Can you do the following, please:
 * Tell me what browser you are using
 * WP:BYPASS your browser cache and try again so that I can be sure you have the latest versions of everything
 * If it's still not working, check your javascript console (Ctrl+Shift+J in Firefox) for Twinkle-related errors
 * I have to run in about 20 minutes and will then be offline for about 24h, so hopefully we can resolve this before then. :) Amalthea  17:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I shouldn't say 'intentionally' broken, just that it became broken. I'm on Firefox, tried bypassing, and it's been this way for at least 12 hours. Part of twinkle is up, but (for instance) what is missing is the [warn] and [xfd] tabs at the top of the page. I think all of the tabs are gone, but I can't remember what other tabs Twinkle gives. I'll pull up the console and see what happens. (and isn't the talkback actually from Friendly, not Twinkle?) tedder (talk) 17:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Followup- the three things listed in the js console: "Unknown property 'column-count'. Declaration dropped.", "Unknown property 'column-width'. Declaration dropped." and "Error: element is null; Source File: http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/common/mwsuggest.js?276z57 ; Line: 158" tedder (talk) 17:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that doesn't really help. Can you please deactivate Twinkle and Friendly in you gadgets, put  into User:Tedder/modern.js, bypass your cache again, and see if it helps? FWIW, on a user talk page you should have Warn, ARV, CSD, Last, PP, XFD, Unlink, Deli-batch, D-batch, and P-batch.  Amalthea  18:21, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I had AzaToth/twinkle.js in my monobook.js as of this morning. Removed that, put in Amalthea/twinkle.js now. Also removed friendly and twinkle from the gadgets preferences. I knew there were other tabs I was missing! Anyhow, it looks like that change restored the tabs at the top. The only mystery is, why are the tab names back to the 'stock' length now? For instance, "user page", "discussion" instead of "user", "talk". tedder (talk) 18:30, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * So you're using monobook, not modern? Amalthea  18:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah- doh, sorry for the red herring on the title. tedder (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK, that leaves me with some things that might have gone wrong then, maybe some interference with your other scripts. I'll have to try and figure the rest out tomorrow evening though, I'm afraid, now that your adminly productivity is back to normal. Cheers, Amalthea  18:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. I know you are on a timeline, and it's nice to not have to look up the warning templates and try to make AFDs by hand. tedder (talk) 18:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

sorry
But I'm the same way with my computer that I am with my car, I just drive the thing, I don't know or want to know squat about how it works. I'd like to be able to use the new features, but I need someone to tell me in plain, techno-idiot English what to do to make Twinkle work again. I'm using Safari 4.0.5 on OSX 10.5.8, I've never activated Twinkle via gadgets, I have it my monobook.js page. Do I need to just move that or something? Beeblebrox (talk) 22:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Just copy what you have in User:Beeblebrox/monobook.js into User:Beeblebrox/vector.js. I'm not sure if ALL the scripts you have listed there are compatible with Vector however. Twinkle definitely should be. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 22:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, that is exactly what I needed. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * as an aside, I've now tested all those scripts and they do all seem to work Beeblebrox (talk) 01:01, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle menu on Vector
As kicked off by TheDJ a few weeks back in WT:Twinkle/Archive 18, the Twinkle tools are now by default organized in a separate drop down menu if you use the Vector skin. If you don't like it, you can configure where the tools are placed for you using some new config options. Use  to define the portlet menu Twinkle adds its links. Existing portlet menus are:
 * Monobook: "p-cactions", "p-personal", "p-logo", "p-navigation", "p-interaction", "p-tb", "p-coll-print_export"
 * Vector: "p-navigation", "p-interaction", "p-tb", "p-coll-print_export", "p-namespaces", "p-variants" (menu), "p-views", "p-cactions" (menu)
 * Modern: "p-cactions", "p-navigation", "p-interaction", "p-tb", "p-coll-print_export"

You can also place them in a new, dedicated portlet menu (which is the default in Vector, as mentioned). The skins have several portlet menu areas: You can use the TwinkleConfig object to have a new portlet menu created, like in the sidebars, or as a separate navigation row in Modern, or as a new drop down menu in Vector. Config options are: TwinkleConfig.portletArea = ; TwinkleConfig.portletId  = ; TwinkleConfig.portletName = ; TwinkleConfig.portletType = ; TwinkleConfig.portletNext = ;
 * Monobook: "column-one" (the sidebar; p-personal and p-cactions are in here, too, they just have customized styles to layout them)
 * Vector: "panel" (sidebar), "left-navigation", "right-navigation"
 * Modern: "mw_portlets" (sidebar), "mw_contentwrapper"

Creating drop down menus in Monobook and Modern would be doable, but someone else will have to figure out CSS styles for it first. :)

Examples:
 * Twinkle in the Monobook sidebar, right above the search
 * Twinkle in Vector, one tab per tool, next to the namespace tabs
 * In the actions drop down on the left in Vector:

Anyone willing to add this to the documentation? I'll carve you a barnstar if you do. :)

I've tested the menus in recent versions of Firefox, Chrome, Opera, and Safari. If you have any problems, please say so here. I'd really like it if a few people could test it in Vector, before the rollout on the 13th.

Cheers, Amalthea  22:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks fantastic, great job. Tommy2010 01:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * So much better - thanks Amalthea! Now the only thing left not to like about the beta is the lack of a CITE button (anyone know how to fix that?).  Figured it out: If anyone is interested see WP:REFTOOLS and disable the enhanced editing toolbar in beta.  7  01:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, you can get a cite button using the new toolbar. See User:Mr.Z-man/refToolbar 2.0. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ message • changes) 03:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Truly amazing. This could very well solve the age old issue I have with modern aka "The final five disappear."  Anyway, I wrote a non-comprehensive and crap documentation - definitely not barnstar worthy - and threw it on the bottom of the page. ~  Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 03:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Quick little thing - when I put it in the sidebar in vector (gadget install) the menu name displays twice, the second as a link to TW#. The namespaces one looks sweet. ~  Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 03:18, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Amalthea  10:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Nice job! Works great. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ message • changes) 03:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Can I just have the code for the old Twinkle menu in the Vector beta, in the same drop-down menu as the Friendly tools?  — fetch ·  comms   20:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Change the portletId you already have in your vector.js from "p-variants" to "p-cactions". Amalthea  16:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * How could I code it so that the TW text was replaced by File:Police_man_Twinkle_Head.svg?-- m o ɳ o 03:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Stick something like  in your vector.css file while setting the portletName to an empty text, like described above.  Amalthea  16:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Got the first part; can't figure out what to put for the 2nd part.-- m o ɳ o 00:51, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle boxes' fonts too big on Vector
It appears that the TW boxes, such as for AFD, CSD, etc. are now using a font that's a couple sizes larger in Vector than it used to be in Monobook. Can this be configured to use the small size fonts for the dialog boxes in Vector?

BTW, it does the same thing in Friendly, so it appears likely that it's something in a shared component. SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The underlying framework, morebits.js drives the engine for both WP:TW and WP:FR.-- m o ɳ o 23:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I figured as much. Can we fix that size issue?  SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:58, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, bypass your cache to see the change. Amalthea  19:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Muchas gracias. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Shrunken font
I just used TW to request protection, and the text has shrunk significantly. Why? Same thing for Friendly. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐) 00:15, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I had the same issue; see above section. I think that messed it up.-- m o ɳ o  00:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we brought the size down to match the size we were used to in the Vector skin. Are you still using Monobook?  How small does the font look now?  SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:04, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I have been using Vector since I first created my account in December. I haven't used TW under Monobook. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐) 03:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * In that case, what you see is a direct result of the above thread. I requested that the font be sized down to match what we were used to in Monobook.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:16, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * What Schumin said: That's the size it was always supposed to have. Amalthea  09:22, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

CSD user warnings
I don't see the various CSD user warnings in Twinkle. Are they there? If not, they should be added. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The notices are automatically placed on a user's page with a nomination via Twinkle. Do you regularly need to only add the notice? Amalthea  12:15, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. Sometimes I do the actual delete, sometimes I just place the CSD tag. When I do the delete, I have to manually place a tag. - UtherSRG (talk) 05:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

A2 template should take iw parameter
The CSD A2 template takes an iw link as a parameter. It would be good if we could specify that in Twinkle instead of having to go back and manually update the article and the warning placed on the editor's page. Either an entry field next to the A2 radio button, or a popup would work. Better would be that if the iw link exists in the article, to find it and grab it. (See the recently deleted Jorge leon garduño as an example.) - UtherSRG (talk) 05:55, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

CSD Listing Update request
In Twinkle's Popup UI, can the listing for CSD#G10 (Attack Page) and it's associated description under the ? be updated to mention that it can also be used to Speedy Unsourced BLP's please? I started this without realising that G10 could be used to mark an article for Negative Unsourced BLPs, cause the description and the associated help don't mention it :) Thanks!  Barking Fish  Talk to me | My contributions 22:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In my experience most editors understand that BLPs can be attack pages, its more common to find editors assuming that only BLPs can be G10s. So I'd be careful about rephrasing this to give more emphasis to BLPs.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  23:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not asking for it to give more emphasis to the BLP thing, simply to mention the fact that it can be used *for* BLPs. I'm an experienced editor of almost 6 years, and I wouldn't have started that conversation had I have known I could use G10 to do that. I barely touch BLPs, but I think it should be mentioned in the UI at a bare minimum.  Barking Fish  Talk to me | My contributions 00:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * CSD G10 can't be used to speedy just any unsourced BLPs. G10 does cover unsourced and purely disparaging BLPs, but that's pretty much what the tooltip already says: "Pages that serve no purpose but to disparage their subject or some other entity (e.g., "John Q. Doe is an imbecile"). This includes a biography of a living person that is negative in tone and unsourced, where there is no NPOV version in the history to revert to. Administrators deleting such pages should not quote the content of the page in the deletion summary!" (emphasis mine). Amalthea  12:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Opera support
The page states that for Twinkle to work with Opera, the Javascript Standard Library must be enabled. Is the issue here that Twinkle requires the array extras from Javascript 1.6? Because Opera supports that. Does the article need to be updated? I ask because I've been using Opera and Twinkle, and haven't noticed any problems. --Gyrobo (talk) 03:13, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, that appears to be outdated. When I just played around with it I had some significant problems with the current Opera version, not sure why that doesn't appear to have happened to you, but I seem to have fixed it. Do you know of any problems with Opera? Like WP:TW/BUG, WP:TW/BUG, or WP:TW/BUG? Thanks, Amalthea  12:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't yet nominated an article for deletion, an I just switched to Vector, so I can't really give solid testimony on any of those bugs yet. --Gyrobo (talk) 20:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, if you notice something please let me know. Cheers, Amalthea  20:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

XFD doesn't remove hang on
I just used Twinkle to AFD an article, and responded positively to having it remove the speedy tags. It didn't remove hang on. Perhaps it only looks for hangon? - UtherSRG (talk) 08:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Twinkle . Amalthea  08:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Another CSD idea
Twinkle is missing db-multiple. It would be great to add this. Make it a check box at the top of the CSD dialogue, checking it turns the radio buttons into check boxes and allows multiple reasons for tagging. - UtherSRG (talk) 06:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree.-- m o ɳ o 05:49, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

XFD oddness
Does XFD now automatically add links to previous XFDs? I just created a new AFD at Articles for deletion/Buenos Aires Cricket & Rugby Club via Twinkle, and it added a self-link that shouldn't be there, I don't believe. - UtherSRG (talk) 08:16, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, issue was with Afd2 and page names with some special characters like "&". Base issue is IIRC 13288, namely usage of some magic words inside parser functions. Amalthea  09:04, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle welcomes users along with their AFD notification?
I noticed in this revision on User talk:81.168.1.36 that Twinkle dropped a welcome message along with the AFD notification when it notified the IP editor of an AFD nomination. Can we lose the welcome message? The welcome message seems to be Friendly's jurisdiction, and I would have preferred that Twinkle just drop the notice and be done with it, and let people add any welcome notices separately. SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:41, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It does the same thing for CSDs as well, using firstarticle. I like it; it helps new users and is really quite automated.  Btw, what was an AfD notice doing on an IP's talkpage?  IPs can't create articles!-- m o ɳ o  05:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * IPs used to be able to create articles, therefore it is feasible that an AfD notice will get posted to an IPs talk page. Mjroots (talk) 10:43, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Only is placed if the page doesn't exist when you send the AfD notification, and is actually a feature of the template, not Twinkle, to reduce the impact of getting ones first article deleted. The whole notice doesn't make sense here of course, but why don't you like the welcome? Amalthea  11:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd just prefer to choose whether or not to place it. That's all.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle and AfD cats
It seems that there is a problem with adding AfD cats when using Twinkle. Would all those who use Twinkle to create AfDs please then edit the created AfD so that it appears in the correct AfD category? Thanks in advance, Mjroots (talk) 10:45, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * All those AfDs you categorized were opened by the same editor, I assume they just didn't select one from the drop down., for example. Amalthea  11:45, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Image tagging question
Hi, most of the image deletion tags have an indication to add a template to the image caption (in the article that the image is used). For example, Template:Di-no source and Template:Di-no license both say "Add following [sic] to the image captions: ." I think this is very important ... image uploaders may not be around, and images (or lack thereof) often affect the quality of the article. Adding a tag to the article gives those working on the article notice of the issue and time to address the tag, to find a new image, etc. Would it be possible to add functionality to Twinkle to automatically add the appropriate tag to the caption, or to remind the person tagging an image to add the appropriate tag? Sincerely, --Iamunknown 19:07, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I have to check: We used to have a bot to do that, but the op is no longer active. Someone else offered to take over, but that seems to have dropped off the radar. Amalthea  10:49, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you for looking into it! --Iamunknown 23:19, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * . Amalthea  12:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we once had that, or at least with FFD or PUF. --The Evil IP address (talk) 20:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Another XFD non-removal of CSD tags
Check out Frank Mula. this time the tag was a "plain". - UtherSRG (talk) 11:10, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ . Amalthea  11:34, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Xfd messages
In User:AzaToth/twinklexfd.js, Cfd and Rfd currently use a custom notice to inform the creator. Is that intentionally or should we templatize/standardize the messages? --The Evil IP address (talk) 20:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll add it if you build it. Don't ask me why Aza stopped short of those two notices. :) Amalthea  21:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, there's Cfd-notify and RFDNote, but at the moment, they're not as strong as Twinkle's messages are. --The Evil IP address (talk) 13:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ . Amalthea  14:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

G12s
Hey. I patrol new pages and end up marking a great deal of them as G12s (copyvio). Occasionally, I get an admin who is unable to find the copyvio with a quick search. I was thinking that it might be beneficial to add a window to the G12 nomination that asks if you would like to provide proof or the copyvio in the form of a search (I'd paste in a link to the Google search of the text I copied from the article that shows the hits of the copyright website(s) that the text is taken from). The main goal is to save the admin from doing work that the tagger already did. I imagine this would require an addition to the G12 template but I was wondering if that's something we'd like to add before I go doing any work. Ol Yeller Talktome 17:31, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Twinkle already asks for an URL, does it not? Amalthea  18:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes but sometimes admins aren't able to connect text in the article to the provided website. As an example, I tagged a G12 but the admin couldn't find the matching text.  I then provided this Google search which makes it very clear which portion of the text is copied.  Being able to add both the website and a Google search (for example) would not only eliminate this sort of instance but would eliminate the work that an admin would have to do because the tagger has already done it.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 19:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

TW drop-down menu disappeared
The TW menu in Vector disappeared. None of the TW tools are appearing in the main vector drop-down menu. Purging the cache does nothing. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐) 00:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:TW/DOC. My guess is that it's to your vector.js. I've poked Z-man to look into it.  Amalthea  07:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In case you wanted to know, I am using Firefox 3.6 on Mac OS X 10.6.2. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐) 13:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * RefToolbar has been fixed, and everything is working again. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐) 23:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

TfD listing doesn't remove speedy tags
See Template:Tracklist_custom - UtherSRG (talk) 14:25, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Menu items with vector
I created vector.css and .js using content from my monobook pages and switched my skin preference. I don't see "Warn" and other items on the menu. I edited vector.js to display the items as tabs as in the old monobook skin, but those tabs didn't show up. Have I misunderstood the docs? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You were importing WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Edit_Top in your vector.js, which isn't a javascript file. Please bypass your browser cacheand try again. If you still have trouble see WP:TW/DOC first, please. Thanks, Amalthea  11:28, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I see that you commented out the offending inclusion. Thanks, but it didn't make Warn and other items visible in the drop-down menu or (with the change to display them there) on the tabs. I've gone back to the monobook skin, where I can access those items. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Has this been acknowledged yet?
I mentioned this on Rollback and Mandarax said I should suggest it here instead:

mechamind 9  0  03:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Current: (Reverted edits by 88.88.88.88 to last revision by 99.99.99.99)
 * Should be: (Reverted edits by 88.88.88.88 to last revision by 99.99.99.99)
 * Replace User: with Special:Contributions/ for it to make sense.
 * ✅, thanks. Amalthea  14:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Warning templates left out
Please add the following to the "notices" section: and these to the "warnings" section:

Thanks,  m o n o   03:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

TfD tiny
tfd now supports tiny to make the inline template much smaller and nonintrusive. There should be no newline between and the rest of the markup. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 00:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:Uw-db template removing
May this template include into Twinkle warnings? --Aleksa Lukic (talk) 20:24, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * That actually appears to go against established practice. The only time one can't remove a speedy template is if you created the article yourself.  Otherwise, anyone can decline a speedy.  Only admins can delete one, but anyone can decline one.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, and we have the Uw-speedy series for that. Aleksa, would you mind if I deleted your warning template again? Amalthea  09:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This template is at TfD. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Issue with updating user talk page
I nominated two templates for deletion and both had been created by the same user. However, the second user notification overwrote the first, instead of being added as a separate talk item (see this edit). Also, the TfD page was not updated in both cases so I did it manually. --Jameboy (talk) 14:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Problems with protection conflicts
There have been a few problems recently with protection conflicts at RfPP, apparently because of Twinkle. My understanding is that it doesn't tell you if a page has just been protected, so what's happening is that admins using Twinkle are inadvertently overriding the protection that another admin has just added. Is there a way this can easily be fixed? SlimVirgin talk  contribs 02:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki links
This diff shows that Twinkle has changed an interwiki link, causing it to be rendered as text. — Manti  core  05:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Multiple db tags
Is there any way that we can incorporate db-multiple into the CSD interface? I find that an article may have more than once reason to be speedied but I can only add one with Twinkle. Occasionally, one of the issues will be addressed while the other has not. Ol Yeller Talktome 19:17, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * See also a couple sections up, in . It's not quite as trivial as it might sound. The submission method will need to change, which would be a good time to rethink the whole non-standard radio-button submits, and there isn't currently a db-notice-multiple to post on user talk pages. The latter had me thinking that it might be time to think about storing an SD data mapping in some meta templates, so that we don't have to maintain wordings in a dozen places (they already get out of synch very quickly). Amalthea  12:44, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, there is the Nn-warn-multiple template that can be placed on user talk pages when the db-multiple tag needs to be used. -- SoCalSuperEagle ( talk ) 21:11, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about this, and going from radio buttons to checkboxes with a submit button sounds like a good idea - both for regular users and for admins, actually. Allows for multiple speedy criteria, and eliminates a hair-trigger that's gotten me in trouble before.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ya, I've miss clicked before then scrambled to fix my mistakes caused by my miss click. Ol Yeller  Talktome 01:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And here's a case where Twinkle's hair trigger got me in trouble. I'm not even worried so much about the multiple DBs as I am at eliminating the hair trigger...  SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

This came up again on WT:CSD. It would definitely be helpful not only for eliminating the hair trigger (which, I can assume, is even more problematic for admins), but also allowing multiple CSDs combos. --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 15:04, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I feel adding to Twinkle would be very helpful for new page patrollers. How soon could it be added? Immunize  (talk) 18:11, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

AIV
on the twinkle tab i press AIV to report a user but when i go to the aiv page my complaint/report isn't on there. Gobbleswoggler (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "It doesn't work" is not a useful bug report when it clearly for others, you need to give a lot more detail than that. Please look at WP:TW/DOC for everything you need to tell me so that I can even begin to look into this.  Amalthea  13:22, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

In more detail this time. I go on a users contributions page and click on the twinkle tab at the top of my page. I then click the button AIV. I type a reason and it says report completed.Then it says would you like to go to the AIV page. I click on it but my report hasn't been submitted. Why is this? Gobbleswoggler (talk) 15:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Please look at WP:TW/DOC for everything you need to tell me so that I can even begin to look into this. In particular, your browser version and the output from your javascript error console. Amalthea  15:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

. I would have expected you to follow up on this, and not let me keep looking into it while it was resolved for you. Amalthea 20:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes
I'm not sure if this was discussed and I know this is only a trial period, but I was wondering if TW will be incorporating a request for pending changes in the normal RPP request form on the normal RPP option, since the requests for PC will be on the RPP page. Thanks,  Tommy2010   [message]  01:46, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to leave it out of Twinkle while it's in a trial period, especially since the number of articles allowed to be included is capped for now. If/when the feature comes out of trial, then we can add it to Twinkle.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:22, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Somewhat related: Wikipedia talk:Reviewing. – xeno talk 14:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The somewhat related bit is fixed. Amalthea  10:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Watchlist problem
Every edit I make with Twinkle gets added to my watchlist. How do I stop this? Christopher Connor (talk) 01:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You will need to uninstall twinkle from the Gadgets menu, and manually install it. If this is too confusing, copy my vector.js Twinkle section, its already set up. A p 3 rson  ‽   01:54, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * How do I do this? Christopher Connor (talk) 02:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Add the following to your skin script file:


 * You can keep Twinkle turned on in your gadgets, actually, you don't need to load it manually. Amalthea  10:42, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Appears to work. Thanks for your help. Christopher Connor (talk) 16:07, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

slow
Why does it take forever to load the RPP form as well as load the [restore this version] form? It's pretty frustrating when you're trying to use huggle and wait forever for the forms to load. It never used to be that slow before, what changed? – Tommy  [ message ] 18:12, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I tried 3 different times and waited at least 2 mins each time to restore a previous version of the Raccoon page, until HJ Mitchell came in and protected it. Does it go slower when the article is edited even when restoring a prev version? – Tommy  [ message ] 18:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure how to read you post. Huggle complaints thataway, please. General complaints about the slow rendering of template-heavy pages go to WP:VPT instead. I don't really see a problem with Twinkle? Amalthea  18:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, no these are all Twinkle related, but I'll look at the second link. –  Tommy  [ message ] 20:07, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it slow when you wait for the page to load, or when you press the "pp" link? Was it slow when it loaded the diff, or when after you pressed "Restore this version"? Amalthea  20:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Um slow right after I click RPP on the drop down list and right after I click [restore this version]... it's like it takes longer for it to launch but not so much for it to process the actual request. –  Tommy  [ message ] 22:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Adding a second AfD to the same article
Hi. Adding a second AfD to the same article (or generically any xfd to any page) should not be possible. It happened in this edit and discussion ensued at User talk:Jeff G.. Please look into this. Thanks! — Jeff G. ツ 19:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, just wanted to tag on to this to see if there's a resolution. Thanks! TN X Man  15:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not yet. It'll need a bit of restructuring to get this done. Unlike with PRODs or CSDs, Twinkle initiates the three or four edits required for XfDs simultaneously. To integrate that error check it'll need to be sequentialized a bit, so it's not a trivial change. Amalthea  15:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Thanks for taking a look. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  16:06, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Bug

 * moved from Village pump

I have started nominating articles using TW. However, I am having an issue: In the account I have nominated with, the "this article's entry" link is red for no reason. The page is available, so there should be no link. If I log out, the link is blue. What could be the issue? This issue only seems to be affected by the secure version of Wikipedia, and not the normal one. It is clearly not relative to my browser, because I have tried clearing the cookies and cache. The results are the same with the latest versions of both FireFox and Internet Explorer. Thanks. / Hey Mid  (contributions) 11:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a known issue. It's actually a MediaWiki caching problem, caused by the simultaneous creation of the discussion page and the addition of the tag that tests for existence of just that discussion page. The trivial way to resolve it is to purge the page. It might also resolve itself through the job queue, but I'm not quite sure about that. Since this is being reported so often I think adding automatic purging of the page is overdue …. Amalthea  14:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I would suggest adding a "Purge" button to the Wikipedia GUI, which basically adds the "?action=purge" part to the address. Thank you for the solution! It worked! / Hey Mid  (contributions) 14:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a gadget that does just that. Amalthea  15:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Adding XfD discussions to watchlist
I recently nominated an article for deletion using Twinkle, and I just discovered that I had to add the deletion discussion to my watchlist manually. Surely this should be done automatically? <span style="font-family: orbitron, sans-serif;"> AJ Cham  17:06, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It happens automatically if you have "add pages I create to my watchlist" ticked in your contributions. If not, you can configure them to be watchlisted by adding


 * to your skin script file. Amalthea  17:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, silly me! I should've checked the config options more carefully.  Thanks. <span style="font-family: orbitron, sans-serif;"> AJ  Cham  17:55, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

no reverts
Twinkle will not revert. The tabs are all there, and it goes to the reverting page, and it requests an edit summary, but it never completes the revert. This has gone on for a long time, so it's not related to the switchover. All the other features work fine. Fix? Griffinofwales (talk) 00:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure but I think it would be helpful if you provided your browser and what version your using. -- Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 00:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Firefox 3.6.6 and Windows Vista. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:31, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Google Chrome
Twinkle works in chrome, shouldn't this be added to the description in 'my preferences'?--Iankap99 (talk) 01:27, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a a comment, Chrome on my Win XP seems to fail when it comes to JS. It randomly stops using JS until I repurge the cache. — Mike moral  ♪♫  05:00, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Try updating it, also i use vista.--Iankap99 (talk) 05:16, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

first warning test/vandalism
According to the box in WP:vand, Template PageName should be used for "unintentional vandalism/test". When I use this with Twinkle, the edit summary that is created says: "General note: Vandalism on ...". I would like this to change into "General note: Unintentional vandalism/test on ..." - because, for a first edit, even if it looks like vandalism, it can be a test or unintentional. Lova Falk    talk   13:16, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. Amalthea  10:35, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * This isn't a Twinkle question, but I noticed it because of what Twinkle did: Why is v1 being considered a test when we have t1 for tests?  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 15:38, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Time for the rewrite
We all know that twinkle is way overdue for that update that should have been done years ago. So I was thinking it might be time now, when vector has been released an all.

This is nothing I can by my self do all at once and everything, as you might understand my time has been rather limited, so all help is required!

There are three/four major areas that needs to be considered:
 * convert everything possible to use jQuery
 * redo user interface to use jQuery-UI
 * redo logic to use the API
 * rethink the whole design, if there is a better design you can think of (if it should be module based or not for example).

We need to decide if all functionality should remain, and if any new functionality that should be added, and if some should be rethought conceptually.

So there is a lot that needs to be doing before any actual coding can begun. Also as this will directly affect morebits.js, Firendly and friends is affected as well.

Hopefully this wont take more than a few years at most, the more help, the faster it will be done, but it's a must (think of the poor bugs). → Aza Toth 20:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Welcoming an IP
I just welcomed an IP who vandalized a page, and instead of getting the option box (where I would've chosen the "vandalizing IP" option), Twinkle welcomed him with open arms. Which is great and all, but does this mean the yellow-colored welcome for IPs who've vandalized a page or any other format is available anymore? I just added a warning beneath the welcome, so not really a big deal. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ <sub style="color:#5E1FFF;">galaxies  08:48, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Warnings changed
Whoa! I don't keep up with all the changes, but I warned an IP for his/her first vandalism in which two living persons were made to look like drug dealers and feces slingers, and the word "titties" was thrown in randomly on this article. I warned the person with a level 1 warning, and the edit summary reads: "General note: Unintentional vandalism/test." Am I to understand that from now on, an obviously intentional example of vandalism should be warned with level 2 or above? No way this was a "test" or unintentional vandalism. Zero good faith assumed. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ <sub style="color:#5E1FFF;">galaxies  08:59, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's perfectly in order to use Level 2, or even Level 3, from the outset. See WP:VAND. --Old Moonraker (talk) 09:24, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Correct. I will not use a Level 1 warning, ever, because I think they give the miscreant too much credit for being naive, and obvious vandalism where they knew exactly what they were doing gets a Level 4im ("only warning") in my book.  Petty vandalism for me always starts out with a Level 2, which treats the vandal like an adult, and indicates that the conduct is unacceptable.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 16:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, fantastic. I'll just start off from level 2 from now on. Thanks for your replies! –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ <sub style="color:#5E1FFF;">galaxies  19:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks like there was only one change, though it's to what's probably the most common template.  — Soap  —  20:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for finding that. It's a good change, I think, but it just caught me off guard. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ <sub style="color:#5E1FFF;">galaxies  21:27, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Per discussion on my talk page I changed it again, this time to "Nonconstructive editing". :) And FWIW, like SchuminWeb I avoid uw-vand1 altogether and start with level 2+. Amalthea  17:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent. That's just what I had in mind when I proposed a similar change seven months ago. I generally use a test1 when I feel a level 1 is called for and start with vandalism2 (or 3) when appropriate, but this is a good change. Thanks. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  18:46, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So there seems to be a general acceptance of using level 2 and above immediately; of course, level 1 would be used if appropriate. Thanks for the reply! –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ <sub style="color:#5E1FFF;">galaxies  18:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Help
I'm rather new to Twinkle and I'm not sure where this should go. My "since" and "since mine" button aren't working. BOVINEBOY 2008 16:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I just clicked on "Last" and then "Since Mine" and it seems to work. I never use "Since", though, so I can't tell if the aborted response is normal or not. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ <sub style="color:#5E1FFF;">galaxies  16:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * "Last" works, but the others don't. I had to manually install it, could that be a factor? Or my skin? BOVINEBOY 2008 00:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, and that would be beyond my scope (I just use it as a gadget). To be honest, I never use "Since mine" either. I'll select from the history page if I really needed to do that. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ <sub style="color:#5E1FFF;">galaxies  03:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)