Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 6

Auto Inform
When I 'prod' a page, it automaicaly inforums the maker. Is there any way to make Twinkle do this when I add a speedy delete tag? Thanks! And a great program! Tiddly Tom 21:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A bot already does this. It's User:Android Mouse Bot 2 I think. If not, it's another Android Mouse one. -- (Review Me) R Parlate Contribs@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 02:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Will this still work for when I am using Twinkle, do you know? Thanks! Tiddly Tom 18:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

afd?
I did this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cliff_Fabri&diff=148528326&oldid=100111255

with the twinkle tool, but the page shows a red link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Fabri

If I look at the archive if thats the right link it shows blue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cliff_Fabri&oldid=148528326

Why is that? Am I supposed to edit that and fix it? Sorry, new... Freedomeagle 17:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This is due to database lag. At the time the page you nominated was "updated" to reflect your changes, it did not yet find the AfD page that was freshly created. If you would reload the page after a few seconds (sometimes it can take as many as 160 secs) then you will see that wikipedia has automatically found that the new page is created. It's a problem with the capacity of the Wikipedia which sometimes needs some time before it can catch up with the actual/live events. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 19:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, it looks like it was that. Freedomeagle 06:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

CSD tab
Anyone else having trouble with the speedy-deletion tagging feature? The box comes up, and I can select a radio button, but it doesn't do anything.  W ODU P  02:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have had this happen also. --Bongwarrior 10:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you gotten it to work? If so, how?  W ODU P  21:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but I haven't really tried doing anything differently. --Bongwarrior 22:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

bug report
If I choose German (in my preferences), Twinkle's revert and some other functions won't work. Ireas 07:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As it sometimes need to hard parse the interface to know what's happening, it might rely on English words (generally only for the revert I believe.) → Aza Toth 19:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Turning off automatic message on user talk
Is there any way to turn off the feature that automatically places a message on a user's talk page when an article xe created is nominated at AfD. I want to avoid simply stacking warnings, but rather warn the user with one message. Thanks, ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 18:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC) I wanted the opposite :P I wanted it to do it for other offences :P Tiddly Tom 20:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Right now I think that the only think that you can do is refactor the messages or do the XFDs manually. Thanks for thinking to not spam PU's page.  In a similar circumstance, I will sometimes let the user know that I am about to leave them several messages and that I will clean them up ASAP when I am finished with the nominations, so that I still have the ease of the tool, and they know that I am not just dumping on their page.  As a side note, you may have wanted to do several of them (the one's for the organizations) as a group nom, which you can't use Twinkle for anyways. --After Midnight 0001 21:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion about using TWINKLE. I thought the orgs each needed its separate article because they are not really connected.  Some may be notable and some not. )I obviously think none of them are, but others may disagree.) ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 21:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. --After Midnight 0001 22:03, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

CFR glitch
When I nominated Category:Four Funnel Ocean Liners for renaming, I got this on the user talk page:. This rendered as Category:Category:Four Funnel Ocean Liners - a double "Category:", which broke the link. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've received a complaint about this as well from a user that I left a tag with. Since it is using lc the namespace should not be included in the parameter. --After Midnight 0001 15:35, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * → Aza Toth 17:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Not posting warnings... redirected page?
I used TW for a lot of images with no fair use, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:25&limit=500&action=history

But, that is redirected to another username now, and he didn't see them (I let him know by hand). Why did it do that? Is that a bug? Freedomeagle 06:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is, at the moment, an relatively unfixable bug, as action=edit won't follow redirects. → Aza Toth 19:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * could it do some kinda check or lookup to see if the page says redirect something and then go there? Not sure if that possible, programming is weak as heck for me. Freedomeagle 21:57, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I could call the api for each edit and get the true address, so only a change in morebits.js would be needed, but I would need change how it prints status, as I believe to would print a bit too much then. → Aza Toth 15:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Admin stuff not working
In TW the various admin tools such as CSD and protection do not seem to be working. I have only tested the above two (am rather afraid of breaking something by trying another) and it stalls whilst actually doing the protection or deletion (it seems to be able to tag). I am using Firefox. Perhaps a conflict with another script? &mdash;Sean Whitton / 10:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Have just reduced my js and css to TW only, and it didn't help. Probably not a conflict, then. &mdash;Sean Whitton / 10:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Error
I get this error:

couldn't grab element "editform", aborting, this could indicate failed respons from the server

=? Eric Wester 05:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Removing deleted images from articles
Twinkle made a mess of removing a deleted image from the top of Orlando Predators, and didn't even attempt to remove one from the top of Orlando Magic, even though it told me to wait until it had finished. I tried to do it manually, on seeing that it didn't work, but although I tried various things in preview, I couldn't get it to work either. Can anybody help, please? ElinorD (talk) 10:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Twinkle was not at fault in at least the case of Orlando Predators. The AFL team template was not designed for the case of no logo.  I hacked the possibility in, and now it seems to do the right thing.  The NBA team had the same issue, and I fixed that as well.  As for why Twinkle didn't try to remove it, I can only say that recently it has been missing various edits for me as well.  Maybe it encountered a locked database problem, but the frequency of these issues makes me suspect a bug elsewhere. --Pekaje 11:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Pekaje. You are clever! ElinorD (talk) 12:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

MfD?
I noticed an MfD tag had been placed on this page (and removed by an admin, but then replaced again, and then removed today). I fail to see why this page should be deleted. This is a valuable, viable, useful tool that many Wikipedians use to help with RC/Vandal patrol, and this page provides the needed instructions regarding that tool. Would someone please explain why it is/was being considered for deletion? Thanks! Ariel ♥ Gold 18:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * See discussion here Gscshoyru 19:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gscshoyru, I looked through the contribs of those who placed/removed the AfD tag, and through the history of the AfD nom page, and couldn't find anything, I never would have thought to look at the pump, lol. Thanks! Ariel ♥ Gold 19:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Not working
I see no diffrence in my browser (IE) not at the top, bottom, or sides. Here's my monobook.js page. I don't know if this has something to do with my browser, but popups work almost fine (the query.php error shows). Can anyone help me?-- Kkr ouni  /Ккроунл  /ΚκρΩυνι  20:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Twinkle does not work for IE. If you want to use it, you should download firefox. (It is worth it :P)  Tiddly Tom  21:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh well, then I suppose I will-- Kkr ouni  /Ккроунл  /ΚκρΩυνι  21:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

"Wasn't been"
"Speedy deleted per (CSD i5), was an unfree image that wasn't been used for more than seven days. using TW."

"Wasn't been?"

Apart from that little complaint, it's a fantastic tool. Can somebody fix it, please? ElinorD (talk) 08:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk page deletion
I've got deleteTalkPageOnDelete set to true because it's pretty standard to delete talk pages of deleted pages. But is there any way to get it to exclude talk pages in the user talk: namespace? Sometimes you delete vandalized new user pages, and you don't want to delete the talk page too. I know that User:Georgemoney had something like this in his script. -Royalguard11 (T·R!) 19:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirects pointing to non-existent pages (BUG)
Hi, first of all, I should mention that I don't know anything about Twinkle and have never used it (just in case I say something stupid...).

I just came across a bunch of edits made using TW (see for example) with edit summaries such as "(Removing backlinks to Shane Cross that has been speedily deleted per (CSD A7); using TW)"; when such as page contains nothing to salvage in its history, the redirect can be nominated for speedy deletion per CSD R1, using for example the template db-redirnone; this allows the redirect to be completely deleted, instead of just removing the link and leaving a confusing page in place. Could it possible to do this instead of just removing the link ? Schutz 09:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Removing the link is not only non-helpful but actually bad, as it makes it impossible for others to fix wrong backlinks (and backlinks through redirects won't be seen anymore). Do not delink on redirect pages. Kusma (talk) 09:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Portability
Hi. This sounds like a great tool. How portable is it to other WikiMedia-based wikis outside of the English Wikipedia? Is it simply a matter of adding the include in the local monobook.js file (and fixing the URL to point here instead of a local user with your name)? I do this with Popups, and it generally works without a hitch. This seems a little more specialized, and I imagine that there could be some problems if not all the templates or speedy deletion criteria (for example) do not exist on the other wiki. But technically, how easily portable do you think the script is? Thanks! --  Will  scrlt ( Talk ) 21:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming it should all work if you have the same extensions, and the other wiki has the required templates etc it adds. I am not sure it would work that well on RTL wikis and others with unusual characters, but on english and other latin-alphabet wiki's it should be fine. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 00:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Er, um, uh....
"(3) completely refresh your browser by bypassing your cache (hit Control-Shift-R in Firefox or Control-F5 in Internet Explorer)."

Since TW doesn't work with IE, I'm unclear why this is mentioned...? Anastrophe 18:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe a couple minor features do work, but I think it's there for convenience, as all other scripts have instructions for both anyway. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 21:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Generally the only thing that's impossible to do in IE, is to edit page. → Aza Toth 23:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Page protection not working for me
Whenever I try to add a page to rfpp using twinkle, twinkle stops working. I click the submit button, it gets to "rfpp data loaded" but it stops there. Is anyone else experiencing this or is it just me? --Hdt83 Chat 17:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I am as well. Same effect. Gscshoyru 12:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yup, same here. --Kurt Shaped Box 22:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Same here also :( Tiddly Tom 20:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Same here. Kudret abi 03:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Same problem. I thought it was my browser, glad I checked here. Eliz81(talk)(contribs) 15:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm aware of the problem, but as I'm integrating api changes atm, I'll try to fix it as soon I've got speedy up and running. → Aza Toth 01:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Watching warnings
I have the following in my monobook, but I'm still getting watches on warned pages. TwinkleConfig = { ...snipped... watchWarnings                  :       false, ...snipped... }; importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js'); Any thoughts? Thanks.--SarekOfVulcan 21:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have the preference to watch pages you create enabled? If so, and it's a first message on a page, and creates it, it will watch it as far as I am aware. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 23:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Bingo. Thank you, I had been wondering what was up, and I forgot I had turned that on.--SarekOfVulcan 00:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Bug?
The proper rollback functions do not show up in this page. Brusegadi 23:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that it doesn't like the "%" character in the article name. --After Midnight 0001 02:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought so too. Just letting you know thought. Brusegadi 20:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not properly escaping titles that appear to be already escaped. My browser shows:

Error: malformed URI sequence Source File: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AAzaToth%2Fmorebits.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript Line: 1175
 * if that helps. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 05:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Using the "orphanBacklinksOnSpeedyDelete" feature
I would like to remind admins who are using the Twinkle user script to be careful when removing backlinks to pages that they have speedy deleted using this script. Sometimes a vandal or new user will click on a legitimate red link and create a speedy deletable page. Please remember that WP:RED says that "removal of red links for nonexistent topics should not be done without careful consideration of their importance or relevance." Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * In fact, this looks like a definite bug or problem that needs to be examined and discussed because the script will automatically remove everything without the deleting admin knowing what was removed without looking at his/her recent contributions. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * How do you turn it off? I want to auto-orphan images, but not articles. -- B  06:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Is anyone else having a problem deleting images?
When I try to delete an image, it just hangs on the second step. -- B 05:38, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The interface changed for image deletions. This will probably require coding to accommodate. --After Midnight 0001 12:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * How does it look now, BTW? No delete buttons show up for non-admins (apparently), but I may have to update some instructions for admins on a category page I maintain. --Pekaje 12:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The apparently fundamental change is the name of the form field for the deletion summary. It is now "wpComment", while all other namespaces retain the original "wpReason". I would guess the script looks for an   with id="wpReason", fails and stops. Миша 13 22:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I made a quick hack to force it to work. I don't actually know Javascript, so I just beat on it until it worked. Look at my simple.js for how to enable the changed code. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 01:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Bug and suggestion
For some reason, I've got "userTalkPageMode : 'tab'," set in my config, but it's still opening the user talk pages in a new window. Any ideas why or how I can fix it? Never mind, Just realized I forgot to clear the cache.

Also, is it possible to, when csd'ing pages, to have the page reload like it does during reversion? It'll make it easier to copy in the right template since they're not (and apparently won't be) included in the warn dialogue. Thanks. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 03:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Listing past AfDs
I was creating an AfD page using the "xfd" tab. When twinkle created the discussion page, it listed all these non-related past AfDs as shown in this diff. The article I was nominating was titled "Magno" and it listed all these similar titles such as "Magnolia Bakery" and "Magnolia League". Just thought I'd bring this up here. Spellcast 03:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure this is in the AFD template. Take it up at WT:AFD. This isn't a TW problem, I'm pretty sure. -- (Review Me) R Parlate Contribs@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 04:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the problem was it was listing from Prefixindex anything that started with "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magno". Unfortunately, that included anything with "Magnolia" in the name, so we got about four or five unrelated entries. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 14:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

It's gone broke!
It was working yesterday, not working today! Please help! Tiddly - Tom 19:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I just got back from my dinner, and it works now! Tiddly - Tom  20:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries and WP:AGF
I'm concerned by what I see as a conflict between the standard edit summaries added by the "warn" function and the fact that the level 1 (General Note) and many single-issue notices assume good faith, and the level 2 (Caution) templates make no faith assumption. For example, at it seems somewhat contradictory to the tone of the notice to have the word "deliberate" in the edit summary. --Clubjuggle 20:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Where do you see "deliberate" in there? I just gave myself four warnings (and then reverted) to check the edit summaries, and I saw no such thing.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm referring to the edit summary. In the example I linked above I used the level 1 general notice for uw-error1/introducing deliberate factual errors. The edit summary for that edit (see the top of the linked page) reads "General note: Introducing deliberate factual errors on Antarctic Treaty System. using TW". I'm simply questioning whether the use of the word "deliberate" in the edit summary is is appropriate given that the level 1 (and, to a lesser extent, 2) template message itself seems to make it a point not to call the errors deliberate. The same can be said for the edit summaries of your tests. Level 1 (and arguably level 2) does not accuse the user of vandalism, yet the edit summary does. I'm simply saying I think it makes more sense to bring the tone of the level 1 & 2 edit summaries in line with the tone of the level 1 & 2 templates -- for example replacing "General note: Vandalism. using TW" with "General note: Non-constructive edits. using TW", and likewise dropping the word "deliberate" from "introducing deliberate factual errors". The level 3, 4 and 4im summaries are fine as they are, since at that point the templates do (and should) assume bad faith at that point. --Clubjuggle 03:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I8 speedy not working
Speedy deletion for I8 for admins seems to hang on "deleting image" without actually killing the image. Don't know what's up with that... SchuminWeb (Talk) 09:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If none of the image deletions work for you, see Is anyone else having a problem deleting images? above. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 13:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's the same with all image tagging scripts. Wikipedia changed the HTML which lists the uploaders of the image and therefore I believe this is the origin of the problem. The programs aren't able to find the up loaders and thus can't function.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 14:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The critical issue is that the HTML changed, but I wrote a workaround for it. See my simple.js. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 14:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions
I know this has been discussed before, But can you please make the page reload on CSD? That is to say, If I CSD a page, can you have it reload the page so that the page is reloaded with the csd tag present? I would also like to suggest you make the program automatically warn creators of articles after they have been speedily deleted. For instance make the program amend articlename ~ to the creators talk page, with the summary saying something like "CSD notification" or "Notifying of CSD of *articles name*". Is any of this possible? I know that the "reload on csd" used to occur prior to changes made a few months ago, is it possible to make it that way again? It saves a lot of time. Thanks.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 13:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Note, Automatiaclly notifying users that their page is being speedily deleted can easily be done if you make the program automatically add warnings to user pages corresponding to the "reasoning" behind the SD request. For instance if it is an "attack page" then you "G10". If it's simply non-notability then you can customize a warning using articlename ~ . As a matter of a fact you could make articlename ~ the default value and G1-G12 the values that can replace it if needed.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 13:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Speedy image deletion problem (CSD) with Twinkle
Twinkle can't process these requests do to a software update. I haven't had a reply from AzaToth, and I'm seeing the backlog grow. Does anybody know how to fix, as Twinkle really speeds up image deletion. Thanks!  Maxim (talk)  02:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Try again, see if it works now; I think the change to mediawiki may be reverted. If not,there is a hack in my simple.js that you can use until AzaToth fixes Twinkle. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CBM (talk • contribs) 03:09, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
 * Per svn log, it was changed to wpReason on r25191 at 2007-08-27 15:52:51 +0200 by robchurch, I've locked at the source of Exmaple.png, and it lists wpReason now. → Aza Toth 15:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)