Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 7

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Is there a prevision for making TW work on non-english wikis?? I am specially interested in using it in the pt wikiChico 14:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Can't tag a page for speedy deletion
Any idea why I can't tag Subdreamer for speedy deletion using twinkle ? I can tag other pages still. When I try to tag Subdreamer, it just opens the only contributor's talk page in the same tab as the one the article was open in, but doesn't put a speedy tag in the article. Jackaranga 18:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind it worked when I had more than 1 tab open already, twinkle was just insisting on opening the user page in the first tab for some reason. Jackaranga 18:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Someone help me...
I'm trying to figure a way to edit the code so that specific tags don't show up in edit mode of user talk pages. I want to edit 'User:OverlordQ/twinkleprotect.js' and 'User:AzaToth/twinklespeedy.js' so that the tags won't appear in edit mode of talk pages or articles so that I'll have more room for my other tags. Does anyone know what code I should change to make this happen? I would customize it as my own .js file if I figured out how to make those changes. Thanks.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 22:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Possible problem?
I've been using Twinkle all day today and it's been working fine up until about an hour ago. Now, every userpage I leave a vandalism warning on is added to my watchlist. I have the boolean for watchWarnings set at false yet it still adds them to my watchlist. Anyway of fixing this? Reply to my talk page would be appreciated.  Ryan (talk/contribs) 23:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It does that to mine as well. Always has. I also have it set at false.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * But it's been working fine for me, for ages. I'm the kind of person who likes to keep their watchlist as clear as possible so I can devote it to particular articles so something this trivial is actually driving me insane. (My monobook.js)  Ryan (talk/contribs) 23:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you sure you changed nothing? Perhaps try reverting to the last edit in july in your Monobook file, clear all of your cookies etc and then restart your computer and see if that works.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 23:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No I'm afraid it's no use. No change. This is so weird!  Ryan (talk/contribs) 00:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I forget to tell you to cross your fingers while doing it.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 01:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've discovered the source of the problem. If the option Add pages I create to my watchlist in your preferences is ticked then all users you warn are automatically added to your watchlist. I weird bug but if that's un-ticked, it will work correctly again. Ryan (talk/contribs) 11:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

"If this is a shared IP address ..."
It's enormously helpful to turn talk pages with large numbers of unorganized warnings, such as this, into something more structured, like this. At least I assume it is helpful when determining what sort of warning or block is warranted, so I frequently spend the time and energy to do the formating. I, in any case, find it useful.

However, warnings added by Twinkle that include the "'If this is a shared IP address, and you didn't make the edit..." addendum make it much more tedious to reformat the warnings into numbered list, because the addendum is implemented with a linebreak and the ":" indentation operator. That breaks the numbering implemented by "#".

May I suggest that the script be changed to surround the addendum with    and   , preceeded by a space instead of a linebreak? The results look identical (on my browsers), and the resulting unbroken warning can easily be later incorporated into a numbered list by adding a leading "#". (In the referenced example, I used " " instead of the styled paragraph – easier to do by hand – so the formatting is not what you'd see with the styled  suggested here.) --Kbh3rd talk  21:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

For those who want to use the old version until this version is fixed
Simply replace your current info with...

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/morebits.js');

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/fluff.js');

importScript('Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Add LI menu');

importStylesheet('Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Add LI menu/css');

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/warn.js');

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/project.js');

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/arv.js');

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/speedy.js');

This will import the old script to your .js file. That way you can replace it when this new version is fixed and don't need to worry about it not working until then.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 01:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Do we remove the twinkle config info (if we've customized that) as well? I'm kind of confused on what to replace, lol. Sorry, feel free to use the ".js for dummies" language with me, I won't be offended, [[Image:Face-grin.svg|15px]] Ariel ♥  Gold 01:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, not the config info -- just the import. I'm pretty sure that's what he means -- the config will still work the other version of the script. Gscshoyru 01:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, Just replace everything above


 * TwinkleConfig = {


 * Or you could always remove all of your scripts and replace it with:


 * // User:Wikidudeman/wikidudemandeluxe.js
 * importScript('User:Wikidudeman/wikidudemandeluxe.js');




 * That imports all of the scripts that I use.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 02:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah that is what I was wondering, if your Hodgepodge was the same thing. Now I just have to figure out which scripts are for other things (status script), lol. Thanks WDM and Gscshoyru! Ariel ♥ Gold 02:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is the basic info about that package of scripts I just mentioned. User:Wikidudeman/Hodgepodge. I can't guarantee compatibility with other scripts so you'll just have to test it out alongside them. It also requires a large screen resolution of 1024 by 768 or higher to see all of the buttons. You should test that out as well.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 02:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... I just tried your collection of old twinkle scripts (Mac OS X 10.4, Camino) and got nothing. Browser restart and cache purge didn't bring up anything that looked like TW. Your custom Hodgepodge did work for everything but CSD though. Did anyone else get the old Twinkle version to work, and if so, on what? -- B figura (talk) 02:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It works fine for me. Try it again now. Works for me.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 02:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I installed your hodgepodge, but I'm still not getting the "rollback" or "rollback vandal" when looking at someone's contribs (when they are the most recent editor). Hrmm. Ariel ♥ Gold 02:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I have it. That and CSD (thru hodgepodge) is working for me now. -- B figura (talk) 02:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ArielGold, Try removing all of your other scripts.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 02:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hrmm, I have a status script that I use, to put pretty pictures on my page when I'm online, lol. (Yes I know that's girlie, lol) And I use the AfC helper. I'd rather go without Twinkle than lose those two things, lol. And I'm really not a programmer, so I don't want to go messing around with things, lmao. I may just go back to how I had it, and wait till Aza updates whatever these issues are. No big deal really. Thanks! Ariel ♥ Gold 02:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sigh... not that they aren't cute, but which of the scripts makes the tabs curly? Oh, and I imported your main script thingy first, wikidudeman, and it's amazing... but too much for me to take in right this second. I'm gonna have to look into your setup at some point, though. In any case, I want it back exactly the way it was, since the new version doesn't work... so which script makes the tabs curly? Gscshoyru 02:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL I didn't even notice the "curly" tabs, I was blinded by the colors in the editing box! hee hee (Seriously though, you've done an amazing amalgamation of scripts and it is really great, WDM! I'm not sure I can deal with the pop-ups, though, I never had those installed and they kind of get in my way lol.) Ariel ♥ Gold 02:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Popups is good for quickly viewing pages without having to load the whole page, Very useful for vandalism. You get used to it after a while.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 02:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok... but which of the scripts you listed above makes the tabs curly? I like the square ones better, to be honest. Gscshoyru 02:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Alternate Solution
I've copied the old versions of the scripts to my userspace. For those that want Twinkle as it was before, without all the extra stuff that Wikidudeman has, in your monobook.js, replace:

with

Once AzaToth has fixed things, my version will go away. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 02:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Just tested Timotab's and it works like a charm. Thanks! Ariel ♥ Gold 03:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Major update
So, I have at last finish the update, I hope I havn't introduced too many new bugs, and I have some old bugs are gone. The update first most to make use of similar structure that xfd/image are using, second there is an API change of Status in morebits. Edits now follow redirects, unless they ain't suppose to, and a couple of other changes I have forgot. → Aza Toth 22:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If I want to revert a single revision (both using the norm and the vandal revert), I always get the message We where to revert zero revisions .... If reverting more revisions, the revert is done correctly, but in the edit summery the number of revisions reverted is always 1 to low. I think there is somewhere a bug where a variable contains a value that is 1 number lesser than it should be. --Oxymoron83 22:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed, a missplaced update of a counter. → Aza Toth 22:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the fast intervention, this works for me now :)--Oxymoron83 23:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I dont think a single feature is working for me, except for the page tabs showing up. I have no revert/rollback on history pages, speedy doesn't work, etc.  Q  T C 22:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I got the same problems... :( Brusegadi 22:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Mine's broken too - I try to speedy delete articles, and instead of the usual "grabbing page...", I see a brief run of messages ending with "deleting page: data loaded...", then nothing. The page is still there. Doing CSDs manually is a major pain. I use Camino and have used Twinkle with absolutely no issues until today. I'll check it in the new version of Firefox in just a moment... - Krakatoa  Katie  22:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ... and it's broken in Firefox 2.0.0.6. :-( Krakatoa  Katie  23:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That's what I've found as well. It seems to be talking the talk (acting like it's doing it), but it's not walking the walk.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah good, I'll make sure to test all the functions on Safari. I'll let you know tomorrow if there are any issues. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 23:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It appears, but isn't working, in Camino, and the tabs don't appear at all in Safari. :( (Mac OS X 10.4.10) &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 23:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You at least need Safari 3 for Twinkle. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 23:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That might explain it, downloading 3.0.3beta now. Even so, I normally use Camino. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 23:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if it's just me, but the 'rollback' and 'rollback vandal' options that appear after (top) aren't there anymore. ~ Eliz 81 (C)  23:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I have problems similar to the above. When reverting an edit, it stops at the "data loading" step. My buttons are still there though. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 23:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Everything is still working fine for me...  Wikidudeman  (talk) 23:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Rollback functionality is going in and out for me... I also noticed one successful rollback said 'revertion completed' instead of 'reversion'. ~ Eliz 81 (C)  23:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Possibly I'm being redundant, but in Camino 1.5.1, nothing works. I have tabs, and I can get window to pop up when I click on them, but when it actually tries to do something (CSD, etc), I just get a blank popup. -- B figura (talk) 23:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Echo Eliz81, and Sephiroth above, in Firefox 2.0.0.6, nothing seems to be working. Clicking undo just hangs, and on the list of contribs, no longer are the "Rollback" or "Rollback vandal" options even appearing. Not sure what's going on with it, I rebooted and completely cleared cache to see if that helped, but it did not. Ariel ♥ Gold 00:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Roger that, same thing is affecting me as well.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 00:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * As a minor sidenote, the regular and AGF rollback functions are the problematic ones. The rollback (VANDAL) function works fine. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 00:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, all the rollback buttons are hanging for me.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 00:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, RC Patrol is so hard without Twinkle working right! I didn't realize how much I depended on it, and how much it does. It's a pretty amazing program. I'm like a, erm, carpenter without a hammer? Woodcutter without an axe? *insert appropriate metaphor here* ~ Eliz 81 (C)  00:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

RPP still doesn't seem to be working for me. I tried it on the Sandbox and it still hangs at "Requesting protection of page: data loaded...". --Kurt Shaped Box 00:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The pseudo-speedy deletion tags still work, but every regular CSD tag is broken. As per Kurt, RPP is broken as well. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 00:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, just noticed that CSD is FUBARed for me too... :( --Kurt Shaped Box 00:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for page protection works fine for me.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 00:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to ask, Wikidudeman, what magic OS and browser combination are you using that still works? &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 00:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

SSP reporting doesn't work properly either. Tried to report User:Example (with myself as his sockpuppet) and it hung on this:


 * Quering allpages: next in order is Suspected sock puppets/Example
 * Creating discussion page: completed (Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Example)
 * Linking report to open cases: completed (Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets)
 * Notifying suspected sockpuppeter: loading data...
 * Notifying susspected sockpuppets: 0%
 * Notification of Kurt Shaped Box: loading data...

--Kurt Shaped Box 00:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Reporting suspected socks works fine for me.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 00:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Still not working for me (sorry, I stuck your name in as a test). I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.6 on Windows XP.
 * Quering allpages: next in order is Suspected sock puppets/Wikidudeman
 * Creating discussion page: completed (Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Wikidudeman)
 * Linking report to open cases: completed (Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets)
 * Notifying suspected sockpuppeter: loading data...
 * Notifying susspected sockpuppets: 0%
 * Notification of Example: loading data... --Kurt Shaped Box 00:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm Using Windows XP and Firefox 2.0.0.6 and everything works just fine for me. You all could implementing my script from User:Wikidudeman/Hodgepodge and try that. It's everything I use including Twinkle. Erase all of your scripts before doing it though since I can't guarantee compatibility.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 00:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm, kinda words for me (OS X, Camino). I can prod and protect, but CSD is still not working. -- B figura (talk) 01:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, It suddenly stopped working for me. I seem to be having the same problems as above now.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 01:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I bet you had a cached version of the old code in your browser which has now refreshed to the new, broken, code. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 01:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Couldn't be, I frequently purge my cache and I also erased all of my cookies and history as well as logged out and back in since everyone started having problems.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 01:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Rollback problem is no longer affecting me, however, scrolling below shows that it hasn't seem to correct for others unfortunately. Edit:  Rollback seems to hang on long pages.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk)  16:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

For those who want the new version with fixes.
Not reccommended to use this code anymore as it does not include latest updates from AzaToth.

Q T C 21:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Your version seems to fix my issues for Safari. Everything is working normal, or better then with the old version. My only issue is with reloading the original page after Twinkle is done doing its actions. I'll investigate this, it might be an issue with Safari, because i know there is a bug with overloading a current page with a new document. I'll try to figure that one out. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 08:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow! Fixed my issues with Firefox, too. Like a charm. Thanks! --Moonriddengirl 12:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'm still having problems with the automatic tagging functions (CSD, XFD, etc.). The ones that are required to do more than one thing at once (i.e., notify the user for CSD, post the discussion pages for XFD) freezes up on a seemingly random step. See Serious Sam III's history. It posted the AFD template, but failed to do anything else. It works fine for simple procedures like WP:CSD. --Closedmouth 14:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No matter what I do, I can no longer get it to work. I no longer have the Rollback and Vandalism buttons on the History page, though it is available on the diff. I use Firefox; Twinkle was working fine last night, but was broken this morning. I have tried all of the fixes above, purged the cache, reinstalled Twinkle, tried OverlordQ's version, but nothing has worked. RolandR 16:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Rollback problem
Not sure where to put this but when trying to roll back i get stuck on:

Grabbing data of earlier revisions: revision 150452087 that was made 1 revisions ago by 70.68.210.67

Reverting page: loading data...

with no result, just gets stuck there. I using XP & firefox --Nate1481(t/c) 13:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have the same problem, trying to revert but get stuck with the same error message as above (except for the IP and revision number). Regardless, appreciate all the hard work on this  Ryan (talk/contribs) 15:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Same problem here.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 15:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Changing my mind, yes, there is(was?) a problem, thought it had been solved, but aparantly not, I have added a object dump for safeguard. The problem is a "bug" in the Garbage Collector, that has a habit of eating XMLHttpRequest properties, but if I link then into an static array, they should be persistent. → Aza Toth 15:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Now I get "Grabbing data of earlier revisions: revision 156187366 that was made 1 revisions ago by C.Fred

Reverting page: loading data..."

And it gets stuck at that stage doesn't revert the page  Ryan (talk/contribs) 16:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * For me it seems to work, see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&diff=next&oldid=156298144

Please try to purge your cache again. → Aza Toth 16:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I can [rollback] | and | [rollback (VANDAL)] but I can't [rollback (AGF)], the page just hangs  Ryan (talk/contribs) 17:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I was using the ('User:OverlordQ/twinkle.js') script but since I returned to the original ('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js') script, everything seems to be working. Was I using the wrong code?  Ryan (talk/contribs) 18:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Lets say there was some bugs in my code that I've fixed, hopefully it's enough. → Aza Toth 18:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I'm quite happy with your code so if it's OK, I'd prefer to continue using it unless you can convince me otherwise :D  Ryan (talk/contribs) 18:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, me not compile. → Aza Toth 18:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd reccommend to use AzaToth's as well, mine was just a temporary stop gap till a proper fix could be made. Q  T C 21:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Reload after user warning
Is it possible to make the page reload after a warning is placed on a user page? As it was before?  Wikidudeman  (talk) 21:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. → Aza Toth 21:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you make it that way? It was a lot easier like that and saved a lot of time.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 21:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed :)  Ryan (talk/contribs) 21:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Already done before your last comment :) → Aza Toth 21:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Between, the reload timer is specified by "Wikipedia.actionCompleted.timeOut = wpActionCompletedTimeOut || 5000;", so it can be changed per user if wanted. → Aza Toth 21:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * How is that done exactly?  Wikidudeman  (talk) 21:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw that, so I added a new variable wpActionCompletedTimeOut in it's place. → Aza Toth 21:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * How do we change this because userpages still don't auto-reload  Ryan (talk/contribs) 21:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * They do for me.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 21:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Its a default five second delay. → Aza Toth21:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I see that now. Thanks, I appreciate all the work you've put into this! :)  Ryan (talk/contribs) 21:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * So if Someone runs on 56k, The 5 second delay might reload the page before everything is done? If I use Cable should I change it to 3 seconds?  Wikidudeman  (talk) 21:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it's a five second delay after it's all finish. → Aza Toth 22:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, Can you change that to a 2 second delay? Or a 1 second delay to make it quicker?  Wikidudeman  (talk) 22:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Read above: "Between, the reload timer is specified by "Wikipedia.actionCompleted.timeOut = wpActionCompletedTimeOut || 5000;", so it can be changed per user if wanted. → Aza Toth 21:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)" So adding wpActionCompletedTimeOut to your TwinkleConfig will allow you to set the value (1000 is 1 second) --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Slight bug in block template
There seems to be a slight omission in the anonblock template listed under BLOCKS under the WARN tab. There is a place in the box for the length of the block but there is no place for the reason for the block. Since the template calls for that parameter, it comes out showing the code and no reason. I hope that's as clear as mud. Otherwise a very useful script. Thanks for your work! --JodyByak, yak, yak 23:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoops...I see now the reason is to be added in the large box. I thought that was different for an additional reason. --JodyByak, yak, yak 00:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Rollback button
Is there a way to toggle the rollback buttons? They are distracting on the contributions list. I really like the "restore this version" button on a diff, but I would love to get rid of the rollback buttons on the contributions list. -- B 04:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I went ahead and took care of the problem by making my own copy of twinklefluff and removing it there ... but it would be nice to be able to turn it off without it being a hack. Admins don't need the extra rollback buttons. -- B  04:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Speaking of the contrib-page rollbacks, they're not working for me presently (FF 2.0.0.6, Win XP Pro SP2). I tried to rollback vandalism from an IP contribs page, and it went to "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/&twinklerevert=vand". --User: (talk) 04:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Same thing here, had to go into the diff to rollback the vandalism. I am using FireFox too, is anyone having the same problem on IE? -  NeutralHomer  T:C 05:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've noticed this today as well, (Same setup as Darkwind) at first I thought it was only for edits that had been reverted already by someone else, but I can confirm it happens when they are still the most recent edit. Ariel ♥ Gold 05:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Bug
None of the speedy tags seem to work for me; I get a message saying "the page seems to have already been deleted" even when the page hasn't. Ten Pound Hammer  • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 17:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That's strange, I just tried speedy tagging only here, and it seems to work. The relevant code is:

→ Aza Toth 18:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC) Same problem as TenPoundHammer, the full text is: Checking if page exists: It seems that the page doesn't exists, perhaps it has already been deleted

Tagging complete: completed Smokizzy (talk) 20:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ditto, I am sorry to say --Slp1 20:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What page did you try on, and what type of CSD did you use? → Aza Toth 21:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Just tried speedying User:OverlordQ/Sandbox and it worked fine for me. Q  T C 21:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * CSD works fine for me. I especially like the Reload on CSD. Though I wish there was a reload on user warning...  Wikidudeman  (talk) 21:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed on the reload on user warning  Ryan (talk/contribs) 21:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

For some reason, the A7 website CSD doesn't work. I tried the nonsense, and it works. Should they all be tested to see which work and which dont? i said 01:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I just tried all of them, and none work. I refreshed my cache several times, and it still doesn't. i said 01:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In your monobook.css is:, try switching back to the official code.  Q  T C 10:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I found out why speedy tags weren't working for me. Apparently it won't let me put a speedy tag on a page that already has an AfD tag on it. I used to be able to do this, though. This bug should be fixed. Ten Pound Hammer  • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 20:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It true that it checks for xfd tags, but it should display a confirmation dialog if such happen:

→ Aza Toth 20:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed?
Just woke up, and re-installed default to monobook.js figuring AzaToth would have worked magic, (I was using Timotab's last night since there were issues) but I'm still unable to see the "rollback" and "rollback vandal" notices on contrib pages, and the same issues are happening that were described above. I am probably doing something wrong, but I still can't seem to get the new version to work for me. Ariel ♥ Gold 21:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You haven't imported the new versions. Above the "Twinkleconfig" part erase everything and paste this:

importScript('User:AzaToth/morebits.js');

importScript('User:AzaToth/twinklefluff.js');

importScript('User:AzaToth/twinklewarn.js');

importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkleprotect.js');

importScript('User:AzaToth/twinklearv.js');

importScript('User:AzaToth/twinklespeedy.js');

Try that.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 21:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well what I tried was what I had prior, which was this:

importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');


 * Which, as I understood it from the instructions, added all of the above functions. Do I need to now add them all separately? (I rolled it back to Timotab's version for now). TIA, Ariel ♥ Gold 21:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That's how I do it. It works for me.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 21:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Okie Dokie I'll try that, wonder why the one line thing didn't work. Oh well, I'll go test this, thanks as always, WDM! Ariel ♥ Gold 21:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * . GrooveDog (talk) (Review) 22:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have the:

importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');

installed and it works for me fine  Ryan (talk/contribs) 22:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Odd, that's the exact line I added, and it did not work for me, but adding them all separately as WDM suggested did, so hey, all is good. Thanks! Ariel ♥ Gold 22:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've just tried it with the above single line, and it works for me, so my (old) version will be disappearing sometime soon. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 22:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and something to consider - it's best if you can get it to work with that single line, in case AzaToth changes the structure of what scripts that import imports. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 22:38, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm using the single line now and CSD still doesn't seem to be working. I created Suspected sock puppets/Example again as a test and I don't seem to be able to tag it as CSD G7. It returned:


 * Checking if page exists: It seems that the page doesn't exists, perhaps it has already been deleted
 * Tagging complete: completed


 * The page had not definitely been deleted when I tried it (though it probably will be soon). --Kurt Shaped Box 22:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Interestingly, I have been able to successfully tag the Sandbox with G7. The fact that I was previously trying to speedy a subpage might be something to do with it... --Kurt Shaped Box 22:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right. Worked fine on a subpage, but not on an article.  Hummm.  I've gone back to my stored version.  I hope it gets debugged soon. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 01:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am also still having trouble with Twinkle. I have tried various versions of the advice given above but I still find using CSD gives me the message "Checking if page exists: It seems that the page doesn't exists, perhaps it has already been deleted  Tagging complete: completed" when it hasn't.  I use Firefox. --Slp1 16:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Why?
I came onto Wikipedia yesterday to notice the usual facilities of Twinkle were not working. I could no longer rollback etc. Twinkle was still in my monobook etc., but it was no longer working. I just re-added the installation text to the bottom of my monobook and it seems to be working again. Could anyone explain why this happened? Thanks. →  j acĸrм  ( talk  |   sign  ) 18:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

line 739 of twinklespeedy.js
On CSD I get a INVALID_EXPRESSION_ERR: DOM XPath Exception 51 on line 739 of twinklespeedy.js (Safari 3.0.3 --TheDJ (talk • contribs))
 * had forgot to test the user part, had made similar fixes for the sysop part before, should work now. → Aza Toth 11:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Line should be:   Q  T C 23:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

morebits.js line 805

 * On rollback AGF "Undefined value" in morebits.js line 805 (Safari 3.0.3 --TheDJ (talk • contribs))
 * AFAIK this line should be  since value is a simple string.  Q  T C 23:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Strings should have a toString prototype I believe, why I have toString there is that the object is not forced to be a "string", i.e. it could be any other object, like a number, a function etc..., it's probably an other problem, as I noticed that it will be sad if calling with less parameters than wanted (can add a nicer catch for that). → Aza Toth 11:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Have added the check in sprintf now. → Aza Toth 11:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

twinklefluff line 161

 * In user contribs pages "TypeError: Undefined value" twinklefluff line 161, no rollback links rendered (Safari 3.0.3 --TheDJ (talk • contribs))
 * Line should be something like:  since I dont think you can access an XPathResult though array access like that.  Q  T C 23:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Everything is working fine for me.... Wikidudeman  (talk) 23:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070725 Firefox/2.0.0.6, you can't access a node, with array access of an XPathResult. Q  T C 23:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * , somehow, I missed saving that when I was working on it locally. → Aza Toth 11:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle protect
When requesting a page be protected, I get stuck on "Requesting protection of page: data loaded...".  Wikidudeman  (talk) 15:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * . GrooveDog (talk) (Review) 20:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I get the same problem as Wikidudeman. RolandR 23:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

More general borkage

 * arr has no properties in User:AzaToth/morebits.js line 621. MER-C 06:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Firefox 2.0.0.3 by the way. MER-C 07:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

No improvement upon updating to FF 2.0.0.6. MER-C 07:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What action do you do? → Aza Toth 10:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing. Borks on page load. MER-C 09:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What browser are you using? → Aza Toth 10:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I found the problem. It's working now. MER-C 10:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Help!, please.
When trying to tag a page for speedy deletion, I am getting "Checking if page exists: It seems that the page doesn't exists, perhaps it has already been deleted". Just started today. - Rjd0060 02:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

uw-chat1 and so on
Any way to include that series of templates in the "warning" system? They'd be great for Doctor Who-related talkpages!--Rambutan (talk) 18:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * They should already be there - I can see them in the drop down. → AA (talk) — 18:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion for the edit comment on rollback
The current edit comment on rollback looks a bit like: Reverted to revision 154306541 by

I suggest this would be better as rv to 12:34, 5 Sep, by

This comment is much more useful to someone looking through the history lists to see what reverts are applied. I propose leaving out the year, because keeping edit comments brief is more important than correctly handling reverts of more than 12 months. If you really want to check for what will surely never happen, it might be possible to actually check the year. Just a thought &mdash;Duae Quartunciae (talk · cont)  06:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Pretty good idea, I think the revision number is a relic from the past, when it was the only think I had to go with. → Aza Toth 16:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest having both. The revision ID is nice to have as a completely unambiguous link to what was reverted to.  But yeah, the timestamp is generally enough. --Pekaje 16:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I very much like having the TW added comment as short as possible, leaving space for a brief addition of my own. Long comments in a history are really annoying when they wrap around the end of the page. But it would be nice if you could somehow give an internal link from the date to the actual revision. That would be the best of all worlds. Unfortunately, I don't think you can get internal links to revisions. So I still prefer the shortest version possible, as suggested above. &mdash;Duae Quartunciae (talk · cont)  23:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Twinkles are annoying
Really, who came up with that dumb idea? I understand the concept of script-protected articles, but I was just trying to prune a completely bloated article to something actually readable and some dude kept reverting everything I did automatically for "vandalism" until I specifically asked him not to. It isn't exactly my fault that a lot of minor articles consist of four quarters completely unrelated and useless information. How is this auto-wikivigilantism supposed to do any good? Just asking, y'know. --TheOtherStephan 13:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Quoted from the top of the project page:


 * Be advised that even when using these scripts, you take full responsibility for any action done using them. You must understand the Wikipedia policies and use this tool within that policy, or may be blocked for its misuse.


 * Look into useing the talk page to discuss it large deletes by new users frequently are vandalism, if they won't talk look at WP:3RR as last resort. --Nate1481(t/c) 13:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * (ec) You can't blame Twinkle for that. The user who reverted you has a self-confessed very basic understanding of English, and only signed up recently. He saw you remove large chunks of text and thought (quite reasonably, seeing as your second edit had no edit summary) it was vandalism. No big deal. Don't blame the gun for the murder. --Closedmouth 13:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Feature idea
Sometimes SineBot can get in the way of rollbacks, even though it has a built-in delay window (1.5-2 mins) to allow for quick reverts to vandalism. Since it will always only edit the revision directly before its own, it's safe to assume that the preceding revision (if it's the same person for which the reverts are occurring) is synonymous with the bot's revision, so the revert doesn't have to stop at the bot (thus potentially leaving more vandalism elsewhere). While you're in there, it might just be an idea to simplify this into a config directive so that bot user names aren't hardcoded and that the script is future-proof. Anyway, it's totally a fluff kind of thing, but *shrug* it might be something to think about :P. *shrug* Cheers =)  -- slakr \ talk / 18:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Think I understanded around 60% of what you said, could you rephrase the 40% rest? → Aza Toth 19:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the idea is that if the history goes something like good edit, vandal edit, vandal edit, bot signing vandal edit, vandal edit, top of history, then Twinkle should revert through the bot signing (given that the user config says it should do that) all the way back to the last good edit (assuming all vandalism is from the same user). However, for these rare occasions I'll just revert with the restore version button instead.  I think it's too much work and potential for error for the benefit it might provide. --Pekaje 19:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Minor Grammar Problem
When there is a conflict in rolling back a page, I get this kind of message:

"Warning: Latest revision 157233875 doesn't equals our revision 157233782 Error: Latest revision is made by (User), so it might already been reverted, stopping reverting. Action: completed"

Shouldn't "equals" be "equal?" That's all. Thanks! —Signed by KoЯn fan71 My TalkSign Here! 21:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Suddenly Not Working
I was just using Twinkle to revert vandalism (something I do every night) and now it's not working. I checked to make sure my monobook.js file still had the script in it (which it does) so what happened? I need it to make my life of vandalism fighting easier. Maverick Leonhart (Talk | Contribs) 02:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I just did the whole ctrl-Shift-R thing and it's working again. Why did I have to do that, though? I thought you only had to do that after you install it (I've been using it for a few weeks now). Maverick Leonhart (Talk | Contribs) 02:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Something probably went kaflooey in your browser. Caches can get corrupted, store incomplete downloads, or other craziness that messes up the Web. I wouldn't worry about it. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 03:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I think I have a similar problem, but the cache clearing isn't fixing the job for me. I've described it above in the bugs section, but just wanted to check if others have the same issue. When I go to revert vandalism or restore a previous version of a page, the script locks up at "Updating the Summary..." and doesn't actually complete the edit. This has been happening for several days now. Anyone else having the same thing? I'm on the latest version of Firefox, so it shouldn't be compatibility issues. Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 17:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * i am apparently have the same problem as hersfold above. <r> does'na work. any ideas where i should look next? --emerson7 | Talk 04:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * no longer working for me as well. (including the ctrl-shift-r in firefox). -- Quaeler 08:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, glad I'm not going crazy - I'll file this in the new bugs section up top. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 04:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Going back
I favor the old way of tagging for CSD. I prefer adding warnings on the user's talk personally, and I also don't like the warn it doesn automatically. Is there a way to get just this functionality back without reverting entirely to the old version? As a side note, how can I change the reload time? I tried adding the code in the section above, but it didn't do anything. Any help for the technically uninclined? i said 05:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Easy db? MER-C 09:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, Just replace your version with this:

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/speedy.js');

That is a copy of the old version.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 13:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The entire old version, or just speedying? i said 22:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Whichever you want.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 23:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Let me clarify then. Do I replace the import Azatoth with that one? i said 01:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If the only change you want is to the Speedy deletion script(which will make it the old one) then you replace:

importScript('User:AzaToth/twinklespeedy.js');

with

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/speedy.js');

Be sure to keep the same "morebits.js" file and check if that works. If it doesn't then replace:

importScript('User:AzaToth/morebits.js');

with

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/morebits.js');

If you want to change everything to as it was before then replace all of the "import script" Azatoth files with:

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/morebits.js');

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/fluff.js');

importScript('Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Add LI menu');

importStylesheet('Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Add LI

menu/css'); importScript('User:Wikidudeman/warn.js');

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/project.js');

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/arv.js');

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/speedy.js');

If you don't understand what I mean then just ask.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 13:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, thank you, thank you. Now my new question, how do I decrease the reload time? I tried including the aforementioned text, but it didn't do anything. i said 04:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Bring back the old Twinkle!
Can we please have back the old Twinkle, which worked? Since the update, there has been nothing but woe, and the script is no longer usable. RolandR 12:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

It was working fine for me the other day, haven't tried it today. However if you want the old version, Just replace:

importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');

with

//importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js'); importScript('User:Timotab/twinklefix.js');


 * No, that doesn't work. RolandR 14:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Or if you use them individually then replace use these:

importScript('User:Wikidudeman/morebits.js'); importScript('User:Wikidudeman/fluff.js'); importScript('Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Add LI menu'); importStylesheet('Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Add LI menu/css'); importScript('User:Wikidudeman/warn.js'); importScript('User:Wikidudeman/project.js'); importScript('User:Wikidudeman/arv.js'); importScript('User:Wikidudeman/speedy.js');

See if that works.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 12:29, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * And nor does that. All it will let me do is roll back any vandalism committed by me!. RolandR 14:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm, revert stopped working very recently here as well. Firefox 2.0.0.1, binary release, Gentoo Linux.  I'll have to run an upgrade to check if that could be the cause. --Pekaje 13:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope. CSD tagging not working either.  IFD worked perfectly a few days ago, though (after the major update). --Pekaje 13:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, actually it does work ... sometimes. It's a bit too sporadic to be useful, though. --Pekaje 17:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * do you get any JS errors when it doesn't work? → Aza Toth 17:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing in the error console. It just doesn't perform whatever action I was doing at the time, or only partially.  With one CSD tagging it notified the author, but didn't actually tag the article. --Pekaje 18:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Argh, dont tell me that it's the session error again :( → Aza Toth 19:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Was the "session error" what caused previous incarnations of Twinkle to sometimes miss edits? If so, the symptoms seem remarkably similar (like when it used to skip one or more steps in the AFD nominations). --Pekaje 22:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it can happen for people with less reliable/lower quality connection. → Aza Toth 09:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd be surprised if connection reliability was the problem, as the problems occur both on my good cable line and on my rock-stable DSL line. I also have no problems with other tools that use editing sessions (such as the external editor script).  How can I help debug this problem? --Pekaje 10:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I would need the response of a failed edit, i.e. the data the server sends back after an edit, you can see this if you are using FireBug. → Aza Toth 12:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ←I've tried FireBug before, but I can't seem to get any kind of useful log from it. Maybe I'm just using it wrong, but I haven't been able to find any good instructions. --Pekaje 12:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The new Twinkle is working better for me. Much improved CSD and PROD tagging. Firefox 2.0.0.6, Windoze XP Pro here.--Fabrictramp 22:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Question
My apologies if this is covered elsewhere; I've had a scan of the talk page and don't see this particular question: on which pages should the "rollback" and "vandalism" links appear? From some of the discussion, I get the impression they should appear on one's watchlist page, the recent changes page, and on the history page for any article. As things stand for me, they only appear on the comparison pages for a particular change to an article, and on my own contributions list. Most odd. Oh, and I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.6. Many thanks, Liquidfinale 08:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Since function
The "Since" function doesn't seem to properly provide the diff between the last edit and the previous user. Only shows most recent diff. Running on Firefox 2.0.0.6 on Mac OX 10.4.10 -- Zim <b style="color:darkgreen;">Zala</b> Bim <sup style="color:black;">talk  23:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Am I the only one experiencing this problem? -- Zim <b style="color:darkgreen;">Zala</b> Bim <sup style="color:black;">talk  21:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I implemented the since function to be the diff from the latest edit to the edit made by the previous user than the last user, though I could have made an error in implementation. → Aza Toth 21:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's how its supposed to work, and how it used to work, but not any more, at least for me. Merely displays the most recent diff, not compared to the previous diffferent user. -- Zim <b style="color:darkgreen;">Zala</b> Bim <sup style="color:black;">talk  00:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Question
I'm using the current version of IE. I have a question. I installed all the Twinkle scripts see here. But for some reason whenever I go to click a link to use the script, I get the little yellow triangle with the "!" in the bottom left corner of my internet, where you'd normally see "Done" when a page finishes or something and the script doesn't load. Do I need to run Javascript while on Wikipedia? Please contact me on my talk page and help me out Tyler Warren 08:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You get this because IE had an error while loading Twinkle. If you read the Twinkle pages, you will see that Internet Explorer is not supported. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Switch to Firefox! It's a better browser, and most of the scripts on Wikipedia are designed for Firefox. Pyrospirit  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 20:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Seconded. Make the switch to Firefox.  Once you do, you'll be wondering why you hadn't done it long ago.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Faulty revert
When dealing with this edit using twinkle, the revert was made faulty. "%2" was saved to the article instead of the content. As I only know about that revert made in this way, possibly the bug is not in the twinkle code. Anyone else noticed something like that? --Oxymoron83 23:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

CSD deletion not working
I'm using Seamonkey (Gecko/20070802 SeaMonkey/1.1.4). When using the CSD functionality, it removes all backlinks, but will not delete the page. It gets to the point of "data loaded" and then ... nothing. The TW "popup" remains, but never deletes the page. I encounter the same problem in Firefox (Gecko/20070725 Firefox/2.0.0.6). Vassyana 00:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Using TW on other projects
Is it possible to use Twinkle on other projects? (I'm thinking specifically of en.wb, but it shouldn't really matter which one.)  – Mike.lifeguard  | talk 20:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No?  – Mike.lifeguard  | talk 17:35, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The reverting and diff should possible work out of the box (unless they are still buggy of course), the others might need tweaking to match procedures on other wikis. → Aza Toth 19:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

IE
Please please please! I would really like TW to work on IE. Is it impossible to code it/ get it to work on IE? Thanks. Phgao 17:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Note I do use Firefox, but I prefer IE. Yes I do know FF is better in some areas, but I still prefer IE. Phgao 17:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that Twinkle makes extensive use of some Javascript functionality that IE does not support. I might be possible to support regardless, the point is more I think, that AzaToth (main developer) does not intend to support or debug it. So if someone else does all the work and manages to get it working on IE with a couple of patches, then I guess that would be welcome. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. Unfortunately I have no clue with code, so hopefully someone can do that. Phgao 06:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * At the moment, I think it's pretty impossible to make it work under IE, as I need to force XML interpretation of the HTML sent from the server. When API edit is running, it theoretically becomes possible to make it work under IE, but that's nothing I can check, as I'm not using Windows. So you would need someone that is using Windows, is decent in JS, and knows my brain to be able to patch the code to work under IE. So to summarize: 1) It is not usable under IE at the moment. 2) to make it work under IE you need someone with lots of time, energy, willpower and IE experience to make it work. 3) I'm not the person defined in (2). → Aza Toth 12:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Why oh why does Microsoft have do do things differently? I hear they are appealing some case where they got fined 500mil Euros by the EU for violating some practice. But that's another story. I have another question, can you check if when you are reverting vandalism, and press your back button to go back onto the Recent Changes list, does it refresh itself, or do you refresh it? Other user's notes would be appreciated too. I find TW is too slow on FF for me and manualy doing it on IE is faster. Phgao 15:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Anyone else notice . ..
Generally, I watch changes on Vandal Fighter and then use TW to revert. I'm running Firefox 2.0.0.6 on XP. I don't know if any of that is relevant, but hey, that's why I'm not a programmer. Anyway, maybe it's just me, but it seems like with the new version of TW, I'm crossing paths with other vandal watchers a lot more often. Maybe there's just a lot of us around right now, but I used to get edit conflicts when I tried to revert something someone else had already reverted, now I don't get that any more, so often we wind up warning someone twice for something they only did once. Lots of overlap.  Into The Fray  T / C  00:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * TW-bug-13 is probably related --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I tried a couple by hand earlier today, and I'm still not getting edit conflicts when I "undo" the normal way. Ah well.  Slow down, be more watchful, I says.   Into The Fray   T / C  18:05, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * When twinkle first came, it was so fast, that an edit conflict was practically impossible, but perhaps other tools have gained in their speed as well, or that there has been problem with the servers lately. → Aza Toth 18:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Problem
Twinkle in CSD is not posting on the user page anymore, it just tags, and doesnt warn the user who submitted the article. Phgao 13:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok it works most of the time now, only on some pages it just won't work. But all in all, great tool. Phgao 06:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Do any features work on IE?
I'm very intrested in using TWINKLE, but I only have IE (I can't get Firefox as I'm on a network). I notice that you can add individual modules to your monobook.js - do any of these work on their own? --OZOO (What?) 17:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * None will work. → Aza Toth 17:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, see the top discussion. I think other broswers may work, um Opera? Phgao 06:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle (almost) completely borked up....
Even when I load in both of the old versions of the scripts (the ones posted by Wikidudeman and Timotab above), and the new piecemeal version from Azatoth, the most commonly used functions are all broken. The CSD script just sits there, and the rollback button gets hung up before it starts to actually edit the page. The only things that work are the warnings (which I'm not using because by the time I revert it manually, someone's already done it), XfD and PROD (which don't get used very often in any situation). Is anyone else having similar problems, because I haven't seen any response from Azatoth on my bug reports (when he has replied to other bugs reported later), which is making me wonder if it's something to do with my setup. I'm running the latest Firefox with a myriad of add-ons that I can list if anyone thinks they're what's causing the issue, although I haven't recently installed or updated any. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 03:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * My rollbacks are not giving me a user talk popup. Not sure if this is related. Brianga 09:49, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The first bug report gave me a thought that you are using Zone Alarm or Symantec Internet Hijacker. → Aza Toth 14:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Neither. I use McAfee. I just checked, and the firewall included with that isn't causing the problem. I use the Firefox Extension AdBlock Plus for pop-up blocking, but I've had that installed for ages and Twinkle worked fine when I first installed it about a month ago. According to the main TW page, everything should be compatible. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 20:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Check if you get some javascript errors (bold text in the error console). → Aza Toth 20:24, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The CSD script doesn't even start to do anything - it just doesn't react when I click a radio button. Nothing to say it's starting to load anything, and nothing to say it's screwing up, aside from the lack of action.
 * The rollback script doesn't give me any errors, unless someone else has beaten me to it, in which case it does the usual "Error: last edit by (so-and-so), so may have already been reverted, stopping now, blah blah blah". That part works. When it doesn't detect a new edit, though, this is what appears:
 * Grabbing data of earlier revisions: revision 156202252 that was made 1 revisions ago by Haplolology
 * Reverting page: data loaded...
 * Info: Open user talk page edit form for user 65.78.93.217
 * It opens the talk page for the vandal as it's supposed to, even does it in a new tab like I have in my configuration, but then nothing else happens. It just sits there. The example above has been sitting there for a full five minutes now.
 * I have not had problems with any other scripts, except for the minor IfD reported above. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 00:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I meant the Javascript error console (Tools -> Error Console). → Aza Toth 15:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, that. Just ran it, and it turns out my configuration file was what was causing the problem - it didn't like one of my arguments. I've set it back to the default, and CSD and reversion are now working. Sorry for the confusion, and for making such a donkey of myself. Thanks very much for the help. :-) <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 20:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Problem with Template
When tagging a page that meets CSD (confirmed for CSD G10 only) it opens the creator's talk page. The automatic template that it leaves on the users page includes " To do this, add on the top of the article ". Maybe this should be changed to reflect that the hangon template should be placed under the CSD template. That is what the CSD template instructs anyways. - Rjd0060 01:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I9
Per WP:CSD, can this be added to the CSD tab interface, please? --After Midnight 0001 17:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:UAA reporting
The instructions at WP:UAA have recently been updated to ask that reports include which of the 5 key reasons to report a username is being invoked. It would probably make life more straightforward for people if the Twinkle reports were updated to include this. The main thing is to include one of the words promotional, disruptive, offensive, confusing or misleading (I think those are the five - check WP:U to make sure). SamBC(talk) 16:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Feature requests and two bugs

 * 1) Can you add a prod link to userpages? This is allowed per WP:PROD.
 * 2) For db-repost, is it possible you could add an option to link to the previous discussion, in case it wasn't on the same page (the tag is usually ).
 * 3) For the UAA tool, one must specify the offense by clicking on one of the many boxes. However, when someone is flying through vandal patrol (it gets pretty bad sometimes), this can be onerous, because it's hard to find; perhaps it will allow a report if someone specifies a note in the message box.
 * 4) Bug 1: the WP:RPP tool improperly reports that a page is found, when it isn't always. Example:I tried to report University of Florida to this version of the page, but it didn't work, because University of Florida Taser incident  was already on the page - it thought there was a conflict.
 * 5) Bug 2: Twinkle gives requests for unprotection into the Current requests for protection section, not the Current requests for unprotection section. The Evil Spartan 23:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I had Bug 1 too today - War conflicted out because Mexican-American war was already listed at WP:RFPP. BencherliteTalk 19:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Anything for deletion
I understand this probably isn't the correct place to post this and I apologise but what exactly does the 'anything for deletion' option do and how does it differ from speedy deletion? Thanks  <em style="font-family:Andy;color:red">Ryan <em style="font-family:Andy;color:black">Lupin  (talk/contribs) 10:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I can think of few places better to ask. Anything for deletion is a single interface to nominating something at AFD, IFD, MFD, PUI, TFD, CFD, and possibly others.  Very useful, when it works (people occasionally report missed edits).  The difference from speedy is of course that it's a nomination for discussion on the deletion. --Pekaje 10:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahhh that makes perfect sense, thank you very much :)  <em style="font-family:Andy;color:red">Ryan <em style="font-family:Andy;color:black">Lupin  (talk/contribs) 10:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Time limits for protection
The instructions at WP:RFPP say, at step 3, "Please do not add arbitrary requests for a protection expiry time to your request. If there is a specific reason that a page should be protected for a certain amount of time, such as protecting a usertalk page until the user is unblocked, please make this clear." TW forces the choice of a protection expiry time - can a "blank" be added to avoid annoying those nice people at RFPP with my haphazard choice of expiry times? Thanks. BencherliteTalk 19:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably the already available "indefinite" is what you're searching for. If you choose this, no protection expiry will be submitted. --Oxymoron83 07:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? I would have thought that it would ask for indefinite (i.e. permanent) protection, which is certainly a protection option used on some pages.  BencherliteTalk 08:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've thought the same before trying it out, maybe "indefinite" is a little bit misleadingly (compared to the "indefinite" regarding blocks). For example this request has been made using the "indefinite" option.--Oxymoron83 08:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks - I'll try that next time. Could the developer make this clearer, please? BencherliteTalk 08:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoo, it clear to be now need! it into me later look. → Aza Toth 21:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Anticipation in you to thanks give I. BencherliteTalk 21:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Welcome tag?
Would it be possible to add a welcome option in the "warn" tab? I'd like to be able to welcome new users with TWINKLE, and not just warn them. I remember back when I used VandalProof that they had a welcome script in there, so I wouldn't think it would be that hard to implement. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Twinkle/to do, AzaToth has said he's not going to include any non-"uw" templates. --Darkwind (talk) 03:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle with Safari
I'm using Safari 2.0.4 for the Mac. I note that popups don't work so well, but do perfectly in Firefox for Macintosh. I couldn't find anything about this issue, but if there's something I can do to make it work and point me in that direction, I'd appreciate it. Orange Marlin Talk• Contributions 22:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I know this doesn't address your question directly, and I don't want to get into browser wars, but have you tried Camino? It's the firefox rendering engine, but the interface is in line with the Mac's style. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 03:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I actually have tried Camino, which I don't mind. But I sync my bookmarks between several Macs through .mac, and unfortunately the other browsers don't work.  I actually am trying Safari 3.0 right now.  It works better than Firefox in utilizing Twinkle, but still not perfect (have to refresh the page after make a revert to finish off).  Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 00:51, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Watchlist problems
For some reason Twinkle has stopped allowing me choices when I put my cursor over a given edit on my Watchlist. For it to work I now have to click the edit, go to the article, click history, do a compare, and then determine if there is a problem. I just went through and deleted everything in my monobook, copied the Azer thing, saved, contr/del, then added the config and saved and still no better. Got any suggestions? --Storm Rider (talk) 20:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been this way for months for me on a legacy browser... usually if I just mouse over a couple links, it just decides to spontaneously appear. What browser do you use? <small style="white-space:nowrap"> east <big style="color:#090">. 718  at 20:36, September 27, 2007
 * I use Firefox. --Storm Rider (talk) 21:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What version though? I'm on 1.5.0.12. <small style="white-space:nowrap"> east <big style="color:#090">. 718  at 22:18, September 27, 2007
 * Firefox 2.0.0.7 --Storm Rider (talk) 07:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

complete list of speedy tags for config
Do you have a complete list of all the speedy tags, so I can put them in the config? &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 03:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:CSD --Closedmouth 04:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)