Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive Friendly 2

Error?
should the code really be: importScript('User:Ioeth/friendly.js'); Shouldn't it be: importScript('User:Ioeth/friendly.js'); Because it wasn't working for me when I tried the first. -- Dan Leveille TALK 19:48, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The second one is correct. Pyrospirit  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 19:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the installation instructions so they give the correct line of code. Pyrospirit  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 19:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking care of that, Pyrospirit. I must have spaced out when I was writing the instruction documentation.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 01:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

"article or section"
Seeing as you can't do section tagging with Friendly, you should make it put "article" as the default parameter for the templates that use it. For example. --Closedmouth (talk) 11:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Those templates that say "article or section" don't have a parameter to control which it says, unfortunately, so while this is a good idea, it's not possible. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 21:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

More Requests :)
I know Friendly already has the inuse template, but how about the underconstruction one? Also, I'd love to see some of the intro related templates added like tooshort, intro length, and introrewrite. AnmaFinotera (talk) 05:22, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Those four templates have now been added. Ctrl+F5 for the latest version!  Let me know if there are any other handy templates that you'd like to see.  Thanks!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 05:23, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks :) One thing I've noticed is that it doesn't always realize tags can be put into article issues. For example, I added expert, tooshort, and and nofootnotes to an article last night, and instead of doing an article issues tag, it put them all in individually.  Oh, and any plans to add expert-subject with a submenu like notability has?  That would rock! :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:19, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I could probably do an expert-subject submenu...that would be pretty nice. As far as grouping into articleissues goes, Friendly only groups 4 or more supported tags, so in the example you gave above, there weren't enough tags for it to group.  Thanks for the good idea about expert subject tags.  Keep up the good work! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 05:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Ahhhh! That explains it. :)  I wondered why it would sometimes to it and sometimes not.  Will keep that in mind :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 05:37, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I've two to add: How about trivia, and prose? -MBK004 04:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Trivia I don't think can be implemented because it's a section tag. The other one seems good to go.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * SchuminWeb is indeed correct about the trivia tag, MBK004. I am planning on experimenting with section tags in the future, though, so it might be possible eventually.  As for right now, I have implemented the prose tag, so that's good to go.  Ctrl + F5, everyone!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 19:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Can we get copy to wiktionary added? That'd be very handy. --Closedmouth (talk) 05:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Install
I'm having no joy. Cache cleared. Zone Alarm off. Do you need twinkle installed - I don't use that, as yet. Wwwhatsup (talk) 03:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, you don't have to have Twinkle installed to use Friendly. What browser are you using?  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 04:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Firefox 2.0.0.11 Wwwhatsup (talk) 08:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

It just kicked in, don't ask me why. Looking forward to using it. My first request would be for - milder, it's a little more appropriate than  on some music pages. Wwwhatsup (talk) 18:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

feature request
can you add something for thanking IP addresses that have reverted vandalism to more encourage people to revert vandalism? Please and thank-you! Sincerely, Sir Intellegence - smartr tahn eaver!!!! 20:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC) Copied from twinkle (wrong place)


 * Slight problem with that, in my opinion. First of all, if you're thanking someone, a personal message would be a far better gesture than a canned message with "using Friendly" in the summary.  Secondly, that's when I'd apply a Welcomeanon or Welcomeunclesam to their talk page and encourage them to formally join us by getting a username.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I was also thinking that welcomeunclesam would be a great template to apply in the case that you described, Sir Intelligence. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

New Feature Request
I've been using Friendly and it's just what I was looking for ... Now I can send welcome messages to new users very easily.

What I think would be really cool is a button somewhere in Friendly to add a template message of "Suggested Antivandal Tools" -- I've just been manually typing something like: "Hey! Thanks for your antivandal work! I thought you might be interested in these cool antivandal tools: WP:Friendly, WP:Twinkle, WP:Popups..."

Moogle10000 19:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd be wary about mentioning TWINKLE, Friendly, Popups, etc. in welcome messages, because it would be too easy for the tools to fall into the wrong hands. You want an experienced user at the controls of TWINKLE and the like, and as users gain experience, I'm certain they'll see a tagline saying "Using TW" or "Using Friendly" and go from there.  Yes, they're wonderful toys, but no way would I introduce them in a welcome message to a relatively new user.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 21:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The way I read it was having an extra message for it, and would not use it in the normal welcome messages. I support this idea because all though not recently, but there have been several occasions where this would be useful. Tiddly  -  Tom  18:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If someone wants to make a template for it, I have no problem including it. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 18:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Friendly Twinkle?
Do the two play well together? I'm currently using Twinkle and would like to add Friendly (I'm using Firefox) - any reason not to? Anything special I need to do during install? Dumb questions, I'm sure, but... Matt Deres (talk) 02:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I've got both of them, no problems. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve] 03:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Same here. They're both based off of User:AzaToth/morebits.js, so they're really similar in structure; I think this prevents any compatibility problems. Pyrospirit  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 04:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, Friendly and Twinkle play very very well together. In fact, in certain functions, Friendly even uses Twinkle's "vanarticle" URL parameter to automatically populate fields.  For instance, with welcoming functionality, if you're on the user's talk page because you reverted some vandalism of theirs using Twinkle, if you click the "welcome" tab instead of "warn", you'll see that the article input field is already populated.  This is done so that instead of leaving a new user a warning message right off the bat, you can leave them a welcome message such as welcomevandal or welcomespam.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input, guys. I've been playing with them both for a little bit and they really do work well together - much easier to clean stuff up now. One minor strange thing did happen during installation, though. Both Twinkle and Friendly mention that I have to bypass my cache (ctrl+shift+R in Firefox) for the changes to take effect. After I installed, I also had to restart Firefox before seeing the changes. Maybe we should note that on the installation page? Matt Deres (talk) 17:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:BYC has instructions on how to bypass your cache in all of the browsers. I'll look at it and update the documentation accordingly.  Thanks!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 17:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

A bug in the system?
All of a sudden my Friendly script doesn't seem to be working. I was patrolling some new pages and the tab to tag the articles with maintenance tags is missing and the same for welcome messages left on user talk pages? I'd been trying to add another script User:Jayvdb/Deletion sorting tool so thought that might have affected something. I reverted my monobook page back to prior version but my tagging ability is still missing. Is there a bug in the system or is it something I've done? Sting au  Buzz Me...   23:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's working for me. Your monobook.js code looks fine; since Friendly and Twinkle are at the top, even errors in other scripts shouldn't cause a problem. Have you cleared your cache? I was told that there's a slight difficulty with cache-bypassing lately, which the developers are working on a fix for. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve] 23:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look. It's still not working? I might reload Friendly. I did clear the cache, but I'll do that again too. Sting au  Buzz Me...   09:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So did it work yet? I'm assuming you've restarted Firefox at some point between your two comments; that's what it took yesterday to clear the stylesheet cache for my personal styles. I've got both Friendly and Twinkle included in my monobook.js, and they're working fine, including after a recent cache-bypass (about four hours ago). This is really weird, especially if it's still not working. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve] 10:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope the article maintenance tab (tag) is not working. Well that's not entirely true. It shows up of all places on the main Wikipedia page. But I don't want to tag it. I want to be able to add maintenance tags to new pages I patrol. Not working :-( Sting au  Buzz Me...   10:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the "tag" tab does show up on the main page because it's in the article space. How many tabs do you have at the top of your screen when you're viewing an article.  I've seen it happen before that there are so many tabs that some of them appear off of the screen.  Try importing Friendly before any of your other scripts and see if it shows up before the other JavaScript tabs.  If this is the case, you can use a script to rewrite the text in some of the standard Wikipedia tabs so that they take up less space.  If you do need to do that, let me know and I'll install one for you.  Cheers!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 18:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes that was the case before things went bad. I had so many tabs that they went off the page. All of a sudden my computer decided it was all just too hard and refused to show "tag" which was the bit of Friendly I used a lot. Anyhow, I've managed to get it working again tonight. I've been loading and reloading scripts for the last hour and I seem to get to a stage of adding extra scripts when things go pear shaped. It seems to be the persondata script that was stuffing things up (very wide tab). Not that important so I've flicked it. I can always do a cut and paste if I need to add it to a bio article. Important thing is Friendly is working now and I want to keep it that way. I also left out some other scripts I wasn't using that much. The script that rewrites the text sounds like a good idea but I'll pass for now. Thanks for the offer though. Cheers, Sting au  Buzz Me...   12:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Groveling for an addition
Any chance deadend can be added to the "tag" tab? I, and everyone who works on the Dead End Pages project would be eternally grateful. --Fabrictramp (talk) 23:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * deadend is in there now too! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:24, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Awesome!--Fabrictramp (talk) 15:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Welcomes
Can we make it clear that using Friendly in a bot-like fashion to welcome every user who creates an account is not a good idea? We could have a bot do it, but such a task is routinely rejected; see Bots/Frequently denied bots and PEREN. I've seen a hand full of users doing this over the past few weeks, so it's by no means an epidemic, but clarity is A Good Thing. - auburn pilot   talk  03:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that one of the main reason that we don't have a bot do it is that bots cant reply to questions, where as if a user did lots, and was happy to answer any questions, then I don't see too much of a problem. If it got to a point when a user was not able to answer every question, they have done to many ;) I personally check their contribs first, just to make sure that there not a vandal, in which case I would provide some guidance. I do understand your conserns however. Tiddly  -  Tom  07:07, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It goes beyond simply being able to answer questions. (1) Tagging somebody with welcome thanks them for their contributions, which makes no sense when somebody hasn't edited yet (2) sneaky vandals are more easily spotted in a watchlist when both their user name and talk page links are red {indicating a new user} (3} the vast majority of user names never make a single edit, and we are thus creating talk pages needlessly, and (4) it's an utter waste of time to sit and welcome editors who will never edit, for 8 hours straight {as I've seen one user do}. - auburn pilot   talk  14:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you considered talking to the editors you see doing this?--Fabrictramp (talk) 14:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's probably the best thing to do in these cases since it isn't widespread. If someone feels like adding it to the main documentation page, I wouldn't be opposed either.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have tried talking to them. In some cases, I'm not the only one who has asked them to stop, yet they continue. - auburn pilot   talk  14:30, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If it continues, let me know then. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Talkpage Problem
There appears to be a certain kind of problem that will cause the java script execution to come to a halt at this point "User talk page modification: data loaded". The problem occurs only with talk pages, and it also happens with Twinkle (e.g. when using csd, and notifying the initial contributer), Surprisingly it stops at the same point as Friendly does. The problem happened today after I used AWB to append text to several user talkpages. I am not sure this is a localized problem,a global bug or simply there is something wrong with my Firefox which I ran on XP SP2. Any help will be appreciated! Cheers! &Lambda;ua&int; Wi  se  (Operibus anteire) 14:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Friendly is actually based off of Twinkle and uses the same code library to run (morebits.js). Because of this, any problem with the editing and submittal of forms in the morebits.js code affects both Twinkle and Friendly.  AzaToth is the maintainer, so you could get in touch with him or file a bug report at Twinkle's talk page.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! &Lambda;ua&int;  Wi  se  (Operibus anteire) 14:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it looks like this might be a Friendly bug...I'll be looking into it. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 15:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Turns out that someone made a careless change to MediaWiki:Newarticletext which corrupted the XHTML for all pages which used the message (i.e. new talk pages). I've fixed the problem, and everything appears to be working fine now!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 15:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good job man, thanks! &Lambda;ua&int;  Wi  se  (Operibus anteire) 08:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Addition
Perhaps could be added to the tag function? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvin 1998 (talk • contribs) 00:04, 9 February 2008
 * You asked for it, you got it! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Article Issues Update
I think Friendly may need updating to bring it up to date with articleissues. introrewrite, for example, is available in articleissues, but Friendly puts it separate. AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:56, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * introrewrite has been set up to be included in articleissues grouping. Is there anything else that you noticed that needs to be updated?  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * On other that I think was added recently is self-published. AnmaFinotera (talk) 22:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * self-published is in there now! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:24, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't know if you want to add it to friendly, but articleissues now supports External links :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 00:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

"Added Welcomevandal template to user talk page. using Friendly" edit summary
If a new user sees that message in their edit history, they'll think we are automatically calling them a vandal. I used that tag to welcome a user and notify them that some of their contribs don't conform to our standards. I didn't want to call them a vandal and the edit summary might disparage them from wanting to become a wikipedian. Can the automatic edit summary be changed on that one? Thanks Seraphim&hearts;   Whipp 12:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * May I add my support for Seraphim's suggestion. It is quite problematic and may cause severe disagreements, especially if this Welcome was the first on their talk page. Ioeth, I like the fact that you are so open to suggestions and always ready to implement them. Your work is greatly appreciated and I hope you know that.  &Lambda;ua&int;  Wi  se  (Operibus anteire) 14:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Would it be acceptable to add a flag into the script that masks the welcome template you're using? If you turn it on it will simply say "Added welcome template to user talk page..."?  Seems like a decent idea for a solution to me, so let me know if that works for you.  I could even have it turned on by default so that if you wanted your edit summary to say exactly what template you're using you would have to turn it off.  Let me know what you think!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 15:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a great idea! Thanks for the fast response. Seraphim&hearts;   Whipp 15:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Added, defaults to mask. See the documentation page for the details of the new parameter!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 16:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the name confusion, Ioeth with an "I"! :-), the idea sounds great. As I said before thanks! best wishes and good luck.
 * &Lambda;ua&int; Wi  se  (Operibus anteire) 16:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks indeed. :) Seraphim&hearts;   Whipp 16:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Templates now linkified in edit summaries
While I was doing some other enhancements (see above thread), I added the ability for Friendly to linkify the template names in your edit summaries. Now, instead of seeing "Added to article..." you'll see "Added expand to article...". If anybody can think of a reason to remove this feature, let me know, but I thought it would be pretty neat to do! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 16:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Addition Request
First off - this is an invaluable tool. Second, I have a couple of suggestions for additional features for your consideration:


 * 1) a "translate" or "not English" tag with the option via drop down to indicate the language of the article; appropriate message then posted on Pages needing translation into English.
 * 2) "merge" tag with ability to add page to be merged to, and placing merge suggestion on article talk page

Thanks, and again this is a brilliant tool! --ukexpat (talk) 16:41, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

misuse
man, do i hate this script. It facilitates so much hit-and-run tagging, its really turning this place into one big tag-soup eyesore. -- Thisis0 (talk) 08:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That isn't misuse. Tagging is a part of editing too. AnmaFinotera (talk) 08:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Not working
I can't get Friendly to work at all for me. I'm running Firefox 2, and I even have Twinkle running fine. But no new tabs show up when I install Friendly. I even removed everything else from my monobook.js file but still no results. Very strange. (And yes, I did bypass my cache.) --clpo13(talk) 09:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Addition Request
First off, this is a great tool. Tagging has never been easier for me, and never has it been as fast. I hope you don't mind i copied it over to my user space and edited it a little. My Newpage patrol Script has the habit of adding a Redirect=No after each page name, even if it is not a redirect. This causes Friendly to see it as a redirect page, so i just commented out that part of the code.

Second, is it possible to add the template to the tool? Every now and then i find good pages which are riddled with Peacock words. Excirial ( Talk, Contribs ) 12:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I second the request for . I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ioeth, this is truly one of the more useful vandal fighting tools around (not that  will help fight vandals - just peacocks 8-).  Toddst1 (talk) 17:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Peacock
Please add peacock and any such templates. Thanks. The Evil Spartan (talk) 23:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Fansite
Can fansite be added? As someone who works in the fictional realm regularly, it would be a great asset. It is also available in articleissues. AnmaFinotera (talk) 17:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Tag tab not functional
I have a Tag tab, however, it doesn't tag. When I check off the tags I want to add and press Submit Query, nothing happens. I installed Friendly by importing into my monobook.js. I'm using Firefox 2.0. Temporal User (Talk) 23:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcoming new users isn't working
I've been having trouble posting welcome messages to user talk pages that have no content. After I pick the welcome template I want, the window just sits forever with "User talk page modification: data loaded..." shown. This may be related to the issue that was reported a few weeks ago, here, though that was apparently fixed at the time. Anyway, I love the script and hope it will start working again for me soon! BlckKnght (talk) 03:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I had no trouble using this very feature yesterday. Tried it again just now and it's working fine. (Firefox 2.0.0.12, Windoze XP Pro)--Fabrictramp (talk) 13:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You know, I suspect it is because I started using the beta of Firefox 3. I see that only Firefox 2 is supported, so I suppose this is not technically a bug.  If you would like to look into it anyway, I just found that there are two errors on the Error console after I try to welcome somebody:
 * Error: undefined entity
 * Source File: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AStar_Rising&action=submit
 * Line: 126, Column: 99
 * Source Code:
 *  This is a minor edit (what's this?)
 * and
 * Error: form is null
 * Source File: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AIoeth%2Ffriendlywelcome.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript
 * Line: 459
 * Again, thanks for making this great script. BlckKnght (talk) 03:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Intro Too Long/Short
When you are are taging an article there are too entries in the tagging menu:


 * toolong: lead section of article is too long and should be shortened
 * tooshort: lead section of article is too short and should be expanded

The problem is that the description does not match what the template actually does. toolong and tooshort are templates for the article being to long not the intro. If the intent was the intro the templates intro-toolong and intro-tooshort need to be used. In my personal opinion I think that all four tags should be available for the tagging menu. - Ctempleton3 (talk) 22:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Not working
I can't get Friendly to work at all for me. I'm running Firefox 2, and I even have Twinkle running fine. But no new tabs show up when I install Friendly. I even removed everything else from my monobook.js file but still no results. Very strange. (And yes, I did bypass my cache.) --clpo13(talk) 09:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Bump to prevent automatic archiving. --clpo13(talk) 22:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I nosily looked at your monobook file, and see you have importStylesheet('Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Add LI menu/css');

. This line nailed Friendly for me when adding delsort. (You did bypass your cache, didn't you? Sometimes it's also helpful to completely quit Firefox and restart the program after bypassing the cache.) HTH!--Fabrictramp (talk) 18:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I bypassed the cache when I removed everything but Friendly, but I'll have to try again. I figured something was interfering with it... --clpo13(talk) 19:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

The script is also not working for me. I get the tabs into right place, but when trying to tag a page, the tagging window is opened but I am unable to proceed and "send" the templates to the page - the button obviously do not work for me. Tried FF2 and FF3 beta 5 under WinXP. I am little confused about the gadgets in general as there is close to none FAQs and manuals on the respective ones.--kozuch (talk) 11:51, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup tag?
Within a very few minutes of creating Italian support for Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, which is one of a series of subarticles off the main Iran-Iraq War article, a "cleanup" tag appeared on the article, and Friendly was cited as a tool in applying it. There was almost no time for a human to have read the article and followed any links.

Is there something in Friendly that may be automatically applying a cleanup tag? If so, it certainly would be helpful if it would give any indication, on the discussion page, what fails to meet Wikipedia standards. If this is an automated process, it is not helpful when it gives no feedback on the problem. --Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 23:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well bots are not allowed to use friendly or twinkle so a human must have done it.
 * You should read WP:MOS. – ThatWikiGuy (talk) 09:57, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Bias
SUGGEST: I suggest we add the templates here into the tag feature. – ThatWikiGuy (talk) 09:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Non Free
Friendly is grouping non-free in article issues, but articleissues doesn't support it so it is not showing. AnmaFinotera (talk) 13:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Wrong tag
The tag is described in the "tag" tab menu as referring to the lead section of the article. That particular tag refers to the article as a whole. The tag being described is actually, which is for a lead section that is too long... SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Friendly not working
Twinkle works, friendly doesnt seem to.. (i.e. none of the tabs are visible). Any ideas? I'm using Firefox. CycloneNimrod (talk) 22:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * From earlier post

add this code in your Monobook.js; addOnloadHook(function { var tabs = document.getElementById('p-cactions').cloneNode(true); tabs.id = 'mytabs'; var listitems = tabs.getElementsByTagName('LI'); for (i=0;i<listitems.length;i++) { if(listitems[i].id) listitems[i].id = 'mytabs-' + listitems[i].id; } content = document.getElementById("content");    // Find the content div content.parentNode.insertBefore(tabs, content.nextSibling);    // Place tab list right after content div });

and this into you monobook.css; /* bottom tab styling (not for IE currently) */ margin: -0.3em 0 0 11.5em; white-space:nowrap; line-height: 1.1em; overflow: visible; border-collapse: collapse; padding: 0 0 0 1em; list-style: none; font-size: 95%; } border:none; background-color: transparent; }   display: inline; border: 1px solid #aaaaaa; border-top: none; padding: 0.1em 0 0 0; margin: 0 0.3em 0 0; overflow: visible; background: White; }   border-color: #fabd23; padding: 0.2em 0 0 0; }   background-color: White; color: #002bb8; border: none; padding: 0.3em 0.8em 0 0.8em; text-decoration: none; text-transform: lowercase; position: relative; margin: 0; }   z-index: 3; text-decoration: none; }   padding-left: 0.4em; padding-right: 0.4em; } /* offsets to distinguish the tab groups */ li#mytabs-ca-talk { margin-right: 1.6em; } li#mytabs-ca-watch, li#mytabs-ca-unwatch, li#mytabs-ca-varlang-0, li#mytabs-ca-print { margin-left: 1.6em; } /* remove comment tags if bottom tabs should be rounded as well in moz */ /* #mytabs li, #mytabs li a { -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 1em; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 1em; }*/ { position: relative; float: left; text-align: center; } { float: none; display: block; border: 1px solid #aaaaaa; border-top: none; text-align: center; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; } .tabmenu ul { display: none; z-index: 2; position: relative; top: -2px; border-top: 1px solid #aaaaaa; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; } .tabmenu:hover ul { display: block; } .tabmenu a { padding: 0pt 0.8em !important; } .tabmenu ul a:hover { font-weight: bold; } Then clear your cache. Bingo it should work. It adds tabs to the bottom of the page, it shows all the tabs. – ThatWikiGuy (talk| Co-kingship ) 23:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) mytabs {
 * 1) mytabs .pBody {
 * 1) mytabs .hiddenStructure { display: none; }
 * 2) mytabs li {
 * 1) mytabs li.selected {
 * 1) mytabs li a {
 * 1) mytabs li.selected a { z-index: 3; }
 * 2) mytabs .new a { color:#ba0000; }
 * 3) mytabs li a:hover {
 * 1) mytabs h5 { display: none; }
 * 2) mytabs li.istalk { margin-right: 0; }
 * 3) mytabs li.istalk a { padding-right: 0.5em; }
 * 4) mytabs-ca-addsection a {
 * 1) p-cactions li
 * 1) p-cactions li li

new and cant get it to work
Hey, cant get friendly or twinkle working. Its probably a rookie mistake, but can someone help a guy out? i put the imports into monobook, but nothing happens. I bypassed that cache, and tried listing the individual packs for friendly. nothin worked. help? thanks. Jepetto (talk) 14:14, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Go to My Preferences --> Gadgets --> and tick Twinkle and Friendly.
 * If you have a small screen you may want to add this code in your Monobook.js;

addOnloadHook(function { var tabs = document.getElementById('p-cactions').cloneNode(true); tabs.id = 'mytabs'; var listitems = tabs.getElementsByTagName('LI'); for (i=0;i<listitems.length;i++) { if(listitems[i].id) listitems[i].id = 'mytabs-' + listitems[i].id; } content = document.getElementById("content");    // Find the content div content.parentNode.insertBefore(tabs, content.nextSibling);    // Place tab list right after content div });

and this into you monobook.css; /* bottom tab styling (not for IE currently) */ margin: -0.3em 0 0 11.5em; white-space:nowrap; line-height: 1.1em; overflow: visible; border-collapse: collapse; padding: 0 0 0 1em; list-style: none; font-size: 95%; } border:none; background-color: transparent; }   display: inline; border: 1px solid #aaaaaa; border-top: none; padding: 0.1em 0 0 0; margin: 0 0.3em 0 0; overflow: visible; background: White; }   border-color: #fabd23; padding: 0.2em 0 0 0; }   background-color: White; color: #002bb8; border: none; padding: 0.3em 0.8em 0 0.8em; text-decoration: none; text-transform: lowercase; position: relative; margin: 0; }   z-index: 3; text-decoration: none; }   padding-left: 0.4em; padding-right: 0.4em; } /* offsets to distinguish the tab groups */ li#mytabs-ca-talk { margin-right: 1.6em; } li#mytabs-ca-watch, li#mytabs-ca-unwatch, li#mytabs-ca-varlang-0, li#mytabs-ca-print { margin-left: 1.6em; } /* remove comment tags if bottom tabs should be rounded as well in moz */ /* #mytabs li, #mytabs li a { -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 1em; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 1em; }*/ { position: relative; float: left; text-align: center; } { float: none; display: block; border: 1px solid #aaaaaa; border-top: none; text-align: center; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; } .tabmenu ul { display: none; z-index: 2; position: relative; top: -2px; border-top: 1px solid #aaaaaa; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; } .tabmenu:hover ul { display: block; } .tabmenu a { padding: 0pt 0.8em !important; } .tabmenu ul a:hover { font-weight: bold; } Then clear your cache. Bingo it should work. – ThatWikiGuy (talk) 09:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) mytabs {
 * 1) mytabs .pBody {
 * 1) mytabs .hiddenStructure { display: none; }
 * 2) mytabs li {
 * 1) mytabs li.selected {
 * 1) mytabs li a {
 * 1) mytabs li.selected a { z-index: 3; }
 * 2) mytabs .new a { color:#ba0000; }
 * 3) mytabs li a:hover {
 * 1) mytabs h5 { display: none; }
 * 2) mytabs li.istalk { margin-right: 0; }
 * 3) mytabs li.istalk a { padding-right: 0.5em; }
 * 4) mytabs-ca-addsection a {
 * 1) p-cactions li
 * 1) p-cactions li li
 * Thanks for the help.. I had the same problem. I didn't know adding scripts would make Gadgets appear in My Preferences. --staka (T ・C) 02:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Add morefootnotes
Would it be possible to add to the "Tag" tab? SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Friendly broken?
I'm sure this is something I did -- it usually is. :)

Today when I got on wiki, my Friendly tabs are missing. What did I do to break it?--Fabrictramp (talk) 19:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yup, as suspected, it was me. I've fixed it. Duh.--Fabrictramp (talk) 22:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Broken Again
Friendly's Tag and Shared IP functions are broken! Luckly I did a Firebug test which said that getChecked is not defined. It said that this is the line causing trouble (line 1002): 
 * ( getChecked( form.notice ).concat( getChecked( form.problem ) ).concat( ge...

Hope one of you guys can fix it! Thanks. BTW, I've noticed this for a while, it's been broken for some time now. -- penubag  (talk) 02:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Installation problem
I have tried everything above, and still don't see any new tabs. I'm running Firefox 2.0.0.14 with js enabled. I have added the js and css code above, ticked the boxes in preferences:gadgets, shift Refresh, cleared the cache. Nothing works. The only thing I am wondering is if Twinkle needs to be installed as well? Any help appreciated. Derek Andrews (talk) 16:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I now see a tag tab in the article namespace. The thing I hadn't appreciated was that these tabs only appear in appropriate namespaces, so I may have been looking in the wrong place. However, I am still not seeing a welcome tab in the user namespace. Derek Andrews (talk) 20:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Must be time to quit for the day. SHould be looking in the USerTAlk space:) Derek Andrews (talk) 21:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if you cannot see the tabs, this script is broken. I'm still waiting for someone to come and fix it. -- penubag  (talk) 23:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Tagging with copyvio
Is it possible that there could be an option to tag a page as a copyvio? — Parent5446 (t [ n] c k e [ l]) 14:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That big copyvio tag is probably better left as one done manually, since it requires someone with a brain to implement right, and I don't think a script would be able to do it right. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Something broke
Something broke with the Shared IP tagging. I'm not quite sure how to describe it at the moment, so you can see for yourself:.  Stwalkerster  [  talk  ]  12:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm having the same problem.--Fabrictramp (talk) 15:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * See my post above, same happened for me -- penubag  (talk) 15:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I left Ioeth a note about it. Rgoodermote  17:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, sans-serif; color:#775ca8;">Rgoodermote  17:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks!-- penubag  (talk) 02:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

BOLDly go where no man has done before
I went bold and updated friendlytag.js utilizing some new features in morebits.js, also then I fixed some bugs I found there. hope I didn't introdcued any more :) → Aza Toth 16:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Mind telling me what changed? :) -- penubag  (talk) 16:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * things like the select menu under notability, future etc... is builtin as a feature in morebits.js now, which removes the need for the extra callbacks just to create the select forms. Also the getChecked is now defined in morebits for HTMLFormElement, and thus the problem that has been that it has either been undefined or that it has been overdefined is solved. I also fixed the non-functional RegExps (not enough escapes). → Aza Toth 17:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

General Notability Notice
The option to choose a general notability notice has gone. This was quite useful when articles didn't quite fit into one of the categories. Any chance of putting this back? --<b style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:#FF8C00;">Deadly&forall;ssassin</b> 13:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * fixed → Aza Toth 14:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --<b style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:#FF8C00;">Deadly&forall;ssassin</b> 14:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Potential problem user welcome
Is there any chance of including this template Template:Firstarticle from WP:Welcoming committee/Welcome templates/Table to the list of problem user welcome templates? It's useful if a newly registered users' first act is to create a page which may need to be deleted. Also, it would be good if this could be put at the top of the talk page as it looks better than underneath the slightly less friendly CSD / AfD notice tags. --<b style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:#FF8C00;">Deadly&forall;ssassin</b> 06:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Welcome messages before CSD's
Forgive if this has been covered in the archives, I took a quick look and didn't see anything. I'm wondering if it's possible to automatically send a welcome message before twinkle's CSD notification message? In the spirit of not biting... xenocidic (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea. However, there has been long-standing opposition to bot-added welcome messages. I'm not sure whether a welcome message automatically added as a byproduct of a script fits that category, but it might be worth seeking wider input (perhaps at the village pump?) before implementing this. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point, but its just a shame to be "welcoming" a newbie with an automated CSD message generated by Twinkle. xenocidic (talk) 13:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I do agree with that, but I think we also need to be aware of the consensus that automated welcomes are a somewhat devalued currency (proposed welcome bots are repeatedly denied authorisation at WP:BRFA). I'm also unsure whether the script could accurately determine whether they are appropriate: if a user who had been previously welcomed had subsequently blanked their talk page, how ould the bot know that a welcome was un-needed? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[]

Requests
Would it be possible to add Future ship and Morefootnotes to the tagging functionality? They would be most useful. Thanks, -MBK004 02:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Morefootnotes would be useful across wikipedia, and it woukd be great to have it included.
 * However, Future ship is a highly specialised tag, and for the vast majotrity of editors it would just be clutter.  I think that it would be very useful to add future, and while I considered suggesting that more specialised tags in that family could be included in a dropdown men (as is already done with notability), I notice that Category:Temporal templates shows list over 50 future X templates. That may be too many to include. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:POV-check
Please could Template:POV-check be added to the list of article-space tags which Friendly can apply?

It's a very useful tag for articles which appear to the POV but are not the subject of an existing POV dispute, and in those situations a POV tag is not strictly appropriate because it should only be used if there is an existing POV dispute. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Uncle Sam
It sickens me that I have to see this horrible piece of trashy american propoganda when someone is "welcomed" into Wikipedia. This isn't the United States army! Couldn't Wikipedia find a much more universal substitute and one which does not represent the United States Army? Meaty♠Weenies (talk) 18:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The template welcome-anon is more neutral, and not a play on anything. As for the Uncle Sam template, I think it's cute, I use it regularly, and I recently upgraded it (see the next thread).  SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Uncle Sam template upgraded
I have upgraded the welcomeunclesam template to function the same as welcome-anon, in order to display an article title if a user so desires. Thus one would need to place  on a page in order to add an article title. Could this new functionality be added to Friendly's tie-in with this template? SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * And on that same note, can we make it possible to welcome one's self? I find it helpful to test templates on my own user talk page, and it's blocked in Friendly.  Something like a little yes-I-really-mean-to-do-this button in that dialog box would be very helpful.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Opera
As you said it was only tested on Firefox, it seems to work fine here on Opera as well. Arienh4(Talk) 21:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Possible Bug
I have just noticed this one. Using Friendly on Win XP SP2, Firefox 2.0.0.14. I have edited my monobook.css to display persondata boxes where pages have them and I have also installed the User:Dr pda/persondata.js script. Now, when I am on a page that has such a box, the "show/hide persondata" tab is displayed, but the Friendly-generated "tag" tab disappears. I guess there is some conflict between Friendly and something else I have installed or my edits to my monobook.css. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 14:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Not happening for me. I just popped over to Cap Anson, and both tabs are displayed and work for me. I'm using (atm) Win XP SP2, FF3.0, if that helps.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  15:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

JS
Is there any way to use this as a Greasemonkey script? I don't edit Wikipedia much, but I edit a lot on different Wikia wikis, but I can't use JavaScript codes there, such as the BR fixer made by someone, TWINKLE, or that kind of stuff. So is it possible to use it with Greasemonkey? Eu 19:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Good place to test out welcome's various options...
Since I can't test it out over at my sandbox (cause I'm "welcoming myself"), does anyone know a good place to? Basically I want a place I can test out each of the welcome messages to familiarize myself with them. I don't want to have to basically test each option out on someone else's talk page (and possibly get warned/banned for it), unless there is a "preview" option I haven't discovered. Thanks. &eta;oian  &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  05:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't have to actually use them to find out what they say. The name of each template is at the beginning of each option. For example, the first option starts with, so if you type Template:welcome in the find box, it will take you to that template. You can click on the "welcome" tab on anyone's talk page, jot down the names of the templates, and close the popup window (without choosing an option) without penalty and without anyone knowing. (If you're concerned you might goof it up, feel free to check them at my talk page, then undo any accidental welcomes.)-- Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  17:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Additional templates for friendlytag.js?
Hello Ioeth, and thank you for friendlytag.js, I find it very useful. Is it possible that I add additional templates via my monobook.js? Regards, BNutzer (talk) 16:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

article.undefined in edit comments
I get "article.undefined" string in my edit comments for the tagging tab. Looks like following: Added tag to article.undefined I use FF 3.0.1 in Win XP. Is that OK?--Kozuch (talk) 11:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Missing some redirect templates
Hey, I just discovered the redirect template functionality, but there were a few missing that are listed at WP:R that I think ought to be added as they have different results that aren't provided by the ones currently available. Namely: Of course, some of those are more useful than others, but it just seems like a good idea to include them if they're listed on a guideline page. Thanks! &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 15:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * R from name and country
 * R from full name
 * R from surname
 * R from merge
 * R from duplicated article

Bug report
I presume I file bug reports here; the project page doesn't mention it specifically. Anyway, during this diff, my name was added twice. The template W-short seems ok so it must be a bug within FRIENDLY, automatically adding my username as. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

SharedIP Tagg
Can someone ad Template:MobileIP to the sharedIP tagg. Here  Ford 20:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

It works on safari?!
I'm using friendly in Safari and I see the tabs. I'm going to try it on some newbies. --frogger3140 (talk) 20:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also using HotCat on Safari. --frogger3140 (talk) 20:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope. Gives me a "400 Bad Request" message. I'll try restarting Safari. --frogger3140 (talk) 20:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I gone to History, and clicked the user i gave the welcome to, no 400 Bad Request message. --frogger3140 (talk) 20:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Request
I'd like to request that Template:Welcome! be added as a part of the pop-up list of welcome templates. I've been using that template lately (and seen others use it, too), and it would be nice if it were added to Friendly's interface. Thanks!  Jamie ☆ S93  14:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

freindly works with safari
I'm using Friendly on Safari using Mac OS 10.5.4 and it works. --frogger3140 (talk) 14:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Same here. I'm running on Mac OS 10.5 using Safari, and Friendly has been working fine (at least with welcoming users).  Jamie ☆ S93  00:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My mac uses Boot Camp. I use safari on Windows XP and Mac OS X. Windows XP part works, Mac OS X part works.

POV-check
I'm on WP:NPP, and I'm finding that while many new articles don't quite warrant, they could use a POV review. Having would be quite helpful. --chrylis (talk) 05:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:Do-attempt
Hi, would it be possible for do-attempt to be added to the list of tags Friendly can handle? It also works with articleissues. Thanks!--Aervanath lives in <b style="color:green;">the Orphanage</b> 07:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

SharedIP Tagg
Can someone ad Template:MobileIP to the sharedIP tagg. Here  Ford 13:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

rederict disabiling ?
I've notice that when articles become very short the tagging functions changes into a redirect function how is it possible to disable this function?

Alexnia (T) @ 16:54, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I got it fixed. Let me know if you're still having the problem.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 20:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

new tab suggestion
Hi. I think a lot of editors have a bunch of links they like to keep handy while editing pages, quicklinks to policies or MOS, external links to the reflinks tool on Toolserver, that sort of thing. Would it be possible to add a tab to Friendly that allows users to define their list of quicklinks, and pop them open in a new window/tab when selected? Prince of Canadat 09:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

More botheration about consolidation with some explanation but without fornication (unless you really want to)
Would it be possible for Friendly to detect what tags were already on the page, and then consolidate those with any new tags you place? Or even just to automatically consolidate any tags that are there, even if you don't want to add any more?--Aervanath lives in <b style="color:green;">the Orphanage</b> 18:13, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Consolidating existing tags if the old and new are enough to trigger the articleissues tag is a good thing. However, if you're not adding anything, I'd be inclined to leave well enough alone, as I would find an edit that just consolidated existing tags without any other changes to be somewhat annoying.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Really? Even if the article is drowning in tags, like this one?  I've seen worse than that, too.  An overload of tags is worth an edit to consolidate.  Ideally, when you clicked the "tag" tab, the tags that were already on the article would already be checked in their boxes, so you couldn't add a tag that was already there.--Aervanath lives in <b style="color:green;">the Orphanage</b> 10:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that's an interesting idea. Perhaps it could be made where, if the tags that are already there are already checked, if they are unchecked, that the tags could be removed.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 21:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly.--Aervanath lives in <b style="color:green;">the Orphanage</b> 04:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The script already prevents you from adding a tag that is already there. It's not possible to "pre-load" the checkboxes with the tags that are already on the article, which is why it does this.  The reason is because the script doesn't grab the edit form until after you have clicked the "Submit Query" button, so there is no way to parse the edit form's text with regexp until after that is done.  I might be able to get it to do consolidation of groupable tags, though.  I'll look into it.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 19:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Added globalize templates to Friendly
I've added the globalize template and all of its subtemplates (see template page) to Friendly, as well as recentism and toofewopinions. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 20:26, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

do-attempt tweak?
Could the do-attempt tag be tweaked so that it will replace any orphan tag on the page when it's placed? Also, it would be great if it would automatically add the "att=" parameter as well. For example, if I were unable to de-orphan an article first marked as orphan in July 2006, then the article would originally have this tag:"" After this was replaced with do-attempt in September 2008, it would look like this: "" I should note that when consolidating with articleissues, the "do-attempt=" parameter of articleissues is the same as do-attempt's "att=" parameter, while the "orphan=" parameter is the same as do-attempt's "date=" parameter.--Aervanath lives in <b style="color:green;">the Orphanage</b> 18:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I added the att= parameter to do-attempt instead of the date parameter. I'll have to look into actually doing replacement of orphan in the page sometime later.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 19:38, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Your work is much appreciated!--Aervanath lives in <b style="color:green;">the Orphanage</b> 16:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

"Null" in edit summary
In this diff, rather than add the link to in the summary, it added  to the summary. Is this a new bug in the system? SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm seeing the same problem.. I'm guessing something is going on JS wise somewhere, cause the edit bar also went wonky for awhile, but looks like its finally back to normal.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing, I have stopped using it for a while. Hopefully it will be fixed soon.--SkyWalker (talk) 17:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Yep, it did that for me too. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 00:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks like it was something that would affect everyone. Got it fixed, though! Sorry about that everyone! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 02:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * still not working right for me. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 03:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you clear your cache? --Closedmouth (talk) 04:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Now I did, and now its works. Thanks! -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Request to add Guild of copy editors' in use template
When you do the next update, please consider adding the newish GOCEinuse template. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 20:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Done and done! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 02:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * - you are a scholar and a gentleman! – ukexpat (talk) 18:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm back in the saddle!
Somehow, I was able to scrounge up some spare time and do some of the modifications to Friendly that you guys have been requesting for the past few months. I went through the archives of my talk page and this talk page to see exactly what all I had missed, and here's what I came up with: Since it's been so long, I suppose that I should remind everyone that the way to get these new changes is to CTRL + F5! Enjoy! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 20:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Added mobileip
 * Added peacock
 * Added fansite
 * Fixed toolong and tooshort descriptions, rearranged, removed duplicates, and added a few more templates
 * Added morefootnotes
 * Added future ship
 * Added pov-check
 * Added do-attempt
 * Remove non-free from articleissues group
 * Added translate
 * Added R from name and country, R from full name, R from surname, R from merge, R from duplicated article
 * Added firstarticle
 * Updated welcomeunclesam to support art= template parameter
 * Fixed welcoming committee templates displaying username twice
 * Sweetness! Thanks, Ioeth!--Aervanath lives in <b style="color:green;">the Orphanage</b> 16:33, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Appreciate the expansion... I've already used several of the new tags. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrylis (talk • contribs) 05:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Project-specific welcome templates
Is it possible to provide a general javascript that WikiProject users can use to add a project-specific welcome template? There are some specific welcoming templates already available, but I'd like to have MedWelcome because I use it a lot. I don't think it would be feasible to list all project-specific welcome templates, but maybe individual users can fill in parts of a generic javascript add-on to achieve this? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:19, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Done! And I even typed up some instructions for it here.  Great idea!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 16:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, this is fantastic, really in the wiki spirit! I lack java abilities to succeed in setting this up however. What am I doing wrong? see User:Stevenfruitsmaak/monobook.js. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like you substituted the script instead of importing it. All you've got to do is import the script and then copy the script like it says on the project page, then copy and paste the configuration code (also on project page) into monobook.js, then add a little extra at the bottom to get custom welcome templates.  I hooked you up, though, so do a CTRL + F5 and you should be rocking and rolling!  You can go in there now and add more if you like or change any of the other options.  If you have any more trouble, let me know!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 18:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Another great feature - keep 'em coming! One question - I set up a custom welcome in my Friendly config. Now, the custom template, User:Ukexpat/welcome1, contains a signature within it, so I don't need Friendly to add a sig, but it does. Is there a configuration parameter I can use to disable the sig just for this template? Thanks! – ukexpat (talk) 20:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope. Friendly has some pretty complex logic to determine whether a signature, heading, etc. needs to be added to the built-in templates, and I just don't think it's a good idea to try to extend it to custom ones.  Also, it appeared to me that most of the templates in CAT:PWEL don't have signatures included.  These two factors coupled with the complexity of using this new feature if I were to extend that logic made me decide against it.  My recommendation is that since that template is in your personal userspace, pull the signature off of the template and let Friendly handle it if you want.  Cheers!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 20:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, that's what I will do. – ukexpat (talk) 20:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hooray, it's working (of course, but still, fabulous)! Imagine the time this thing saves... a real improvement. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:19, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This is awesome! I've already added WP:O's welcome templates to my monobook.js. Out of curiousity, Ioeth, what does Friendly look for to determine whether a signature is NOT needed?  That is, how can I adjust Welcome de-orphaner so that Friendly clearly notices that there is already a signature there?--Aervanath lives in <b style="color:green;">the Orphanage</b> 22:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Friendly actually has four hash tables programmed into it with an entry in each for the standard included templates that keep track of headings, signatures, article, and the art= parameter. It actually doesn't do any looking at the template itself.  When you select a standard template, Friendly looks in each one of these tables as well as your configuration to determine what it needs to add and where it needs to add it.  There's no programmatic reason that I can't extend this feature so that users can set up custom hash tables; I just figured it would be such a pain in the butt for users to set up that it wouldn't be wanted.  If you guys really want me to, I'll do it, though.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 12:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

←Right. I think I've set this up on my User:Cyclonenim/monobook.js properly. Where abouts should the option to produce the custom welcome show up? I can't see it on the list that comes up when clicking Welcome from a diff. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 09:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You didn't have it set up quite right. There was a comma missing in one place and an extra one on another line.  I made the fix for you, so it should be working now.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) I still don't see it showing up on the 'choose a welcome template' box though. Is that the right place to look? —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 16:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to make sure that you've cleared your browser's cache to load the changes that I made. The easiest way to do this is to hit CTRL + F5 on any Wikipedia page.  You should see them after that.  Let me know!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 18:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah right :) Well it must have cleared itself 'cause it's working now without the whole clearing cache thing :) Thanks for implementing this and to for suggesting it, this'll come in handy! —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 22:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Request for an addition
I'm not sure if Update is in the list or not. I couldn't find it in the available templates and it would be useful to have. -MBK004 04:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's in the second section of tags that's labeled "Problem templates". Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

future product addition is bugged
See the results of this diff, where I'd ticked primarysources and future product. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:33, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I just gave it a test here and then here and it seems to be working fine. Any chance you have more information that you could give me?  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 13:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

New Feature Proposal - friendlytabs
So I have this script that I wrote for myself a while back called fixtabs.js. It changes some of the text in the tabs at the top of Wikipedia pages so that many of them don't take up so much room. For instance, "discussion" is replaced with "talk", "edit this page" with "edit", etc. It's especially handy, if you're running Twinkle and Friendly as the number of tabs you have up there can quickly outgrow your screen.

I was thinking about making it fully user customizable (enable/disable, custom strings, etc.) via the FriendlyConfig configuration variable and then rolling it into Friendly. If you'd like to try out what the feature will be like, add this to your monobook.js: importScript('User:Ioeth/fixtabs.js');

Is this a feature that any of you would be interested in? Is there a any reason that you'd like me to not do this? Post your thoughts below!

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the new feature proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons in the Discussion section.


 * Support It was getting crowded up there. Thanks!--Aervanath lives in <b style="color:green;">the Orphanage</b> 05:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

I think it sounds like a good idea, though in implementing it, I would make it, by default, not change anything, so that everything is set by the user from the outset. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What I was thinking is to have an enable/disable flag that's set to disabled by default, then a default set of changes if someone wants to enable it but doesn't want to take the time to customize that part of it. Sound good?  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 19:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's basically what I was thinking, so yes - that's excellent. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Add new anon welcome template
Could we add welcome-anon-vandalism-fighter to the Friendly welcome tab? It's based on welcome-anon, and it specifically thanks anonymous users who fight vandalism. I'd say we sorely needed this template, because on more occasions that I can count, I've wanted to thank anon users in a welcome form for fighting vandalism, but no template existed. Now that problem is solved... SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You can now set up templates like that in your custom welcome list. Let me know if you need any help.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 13:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I was specifically referring to adding that one to the "standard" list. Apologies if I was unclear.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Done! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 20:59, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I gave the box description a slight tweak, to differentiate its purpose in the list.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Jumping in here... I had no idea about the custom welcome list. Brilliant!-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  23:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Friendly not welcoming people
Friendly appears not to be welcoming people. It walks itself through all the motions and indicates that it successfully edited the page, but the edits are not "taking", as it is not showing in contributions nor registering as an edit on the targeted talk page. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably related to the Twinkle breakage today. Same symptoms. :(-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  20:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Deleted template still listed on the article tag list
airing was deleted per this TfD back in July. Might wanna remove it from the list of tags. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 18:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've gone in and deleted it. Ioeth, here's my diff.  Did I get it all?  SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, looks good. Thanks for making the change.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 15:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Add new welcome template
Could Template:Welcome-auto (or similar) be added? There are so many autobiographical pages created by new authors. --Clubmarx (talk) 20:07, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I added this as a custom template in Friendly, but it's not working correctly. It puts my username in as the name of the page created. :( -- Fabrictramp |  talk to me


 * I talked to the template's creator here, and it seems this template just isn't going to work correctly with Friendly.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  17:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I left Stifle a message asking if he would be opposed to me enhancing welcome-auto so that its parameters worked the same way as welcome. If he doesn't have a problem with it, I should be able to standardize the template easily and then you won't have a problem with it!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 18:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * welcomeauto has now been added to Friendly! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 17:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You rock!-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  17:26, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Incorporate FurMe into Friendly?
Has anyone given any thought to incorporating FurMe into Friendly? It is in the same script "family" as Twinkle and Friendly, and seems to be of the same concept, but for the image namespace, as it tags images like Friendly does articles, and assists in adding fair use rationales.

What do people think? SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Welcome link on diff page disappeared
The "[welcome]" link on diff pages no longer appears when it should, i.e. when a user or IP has no user talk page. Now, that link does not show up at all, regardless of talk page status. Don't know what happened there. SchuminWeb (Talk) 12:29, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Find me an example and I'll look right into it! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 16:45, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Even i am having the same problem see --Adrian 1001 (talk) 17:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep! That's what I'm experiencing exactly.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 17:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Article Issues
The template has had a lot of new parameters added and these cannot yet be added by the 'tag' tab, could this be updated? --Nate1481 14:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'll look into it soon! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I just looked at articleissues and it appears that Friendly already has a complete list of its templates that are supported by article issues. Are there other templates that you want added?  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 15:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There are 25 more template in article issues than in friendly I can check the specific ones but there are some missing e.g. jargon, not one I use much but sure there are others. Or do you mean that some of the article issues templates are not supported by friendly at all yet? Thanks!--Nate1481 17:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, Friendly supports a variety of commonly used templates. The list has been based on what I initially thought would be handy as well as what users have requested over time.  The ability to group some of these templates into articleissues is just a handy feature; I don't use what article issues supports to drive the list of the templates that Friendly has.  That's why I ask if there are any specific templates that you want added to Friendly's list?  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 17:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, no problem, I'll have noticed a couple but it was seen one added that maid me think I'll get back to you, Thanks agian it it a relay handy tool. --Nate1481 11:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Shared IP menu request?
Hi, sorry if this is the wrong place to request features, but I think it'd be nice to have a "host" field in the Shared IP notice tab for those templates that support it (e.g., isp, sharedipedu, etc). Thanks! &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 13:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Done! I also removed the two useless sharedip templates that were on there and added the contact information field for the sharedipedu template.  Enjoy!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 20:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

friendlytabs is here
See this series of edits to WP:FRIENDLY for the low-down! Enjoy! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 22:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Help
I can't get Friendly to work, can someone install it for me. I tried importing the javascript and checking the friendly check on the gadget tab in my preferences. Please help me. Thanks!Cssiitcic (talk) 20:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What browser are you using? Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 20:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I got it to work now.Cssiitcic (talk) 21:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Minor fixes
I notice that the bot comes along and "corrects" the tags that Friendly adds. Could this be fixed on the front end rather than having the bot do it after the fact? ie - "cleanup" is corrected to "Cleanup" and "notability" is corrected to "Notability". Mainly seems to be the capital letter. Thanks. Soundvisions1 (talk) 03:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Friendly should be adding the date parameter to all of the tags that support it. Can you show me an example diff?  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 15:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not mention date tags. Soundvisions1 (talk) 15:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you give me an example diff of a bot cleaning up the capital letter? Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 20:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * First add dif and clean up dif Soundvisions1 (talk) 06:45, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll ask Rich about it. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 19:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Is Friendly compromised?
(Have also placed this question at ANI) Having just provided a welcome/warning (first edit appears to be vandalised) - I note that when I used Friendly it signed my name incorrectly and pointed to the Artichoke page - see these two diffs. Does anyone else have this problem?-- VS talk 01:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, Artichoker borked the template but it looks to be fixed now. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 03:03, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Friendly tab renaming breaks Twinkle and Friendly tabs
Two things:

1) When did short tab names become the default? I have no specific tab name preference (and want to keep the long tab names), and today, all of the shortened tab names showed up.

2) When I went to install the tab naming configuration here, here, and here, each case like this broke my Twinkle tabs and my Friendly tabs along the top of the screen. Is this a bug, or did I do something wrong?  The first diff is me installing it to make no tab changes (tabs now broken), the second diff is me going to the standard configuration exactly as written with default shortened names (tabs still broken), and the third diff is me getting creative to try to fix it myself (and to no effect).

Any help would be appreciated... SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You left the comma off of the end of the preceding line. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 22:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That will do it every time. Thanks for helping me out.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:17, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * And apparently I broke it again. Help?  I'm trying to get the standard tab names to still come through, and somehow broke things again.  I did this to go to standard names, and completely broke it.  So I rolled back and it's still broken.  Then I edited, and it's still broken.  This broke Twinkle and Friendly - again - much to my dismay.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * All you needed to do was this. It should be back to normal for you now.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 16:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That works, and thanks. By the way, I think the confusion stems from the fact that the documentation appears to be unclear about the presence of the colon in the script.  I was left the impression that the colon was not required.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:24, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm having the same problem. Checked per SchuminWeb's fixed version, and comma is there, so not sure what I did wrong in trying to restore my normal tabs? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Are you still having the problem, Collectonian? Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 17:27, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Woops, missed this one, but not anymore. Its working fine now. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)