Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Core topics/Supplement

Suggested deletions
I’d like to suggest deleting the following.


 * from Animals, including humans
 * 1) Black Death - GA
 * 2) Measles - GA
 * 3) Orca - FA
 * 4) Smallpox - GA
 * 5) Sleep


 * from Biographies
 * 1) George W. Bush
 * 2) Tony Blair (if he's still in office??!)


 * from Biology
 * 1) Body - stub


 * from Contemporary issues
 * 1) Iraq War
 * 2) Sustainable development, to be replaced by Environmentalism
 * 3) Darfur conflict


 * from Food and drink
 * 1) Apple - GA
 * 2) Banana - GA


 * from Geography
 * 1) Jerusalem
 * 2) Tokyo


 * from Earth and space
 * 1) Mercury (planet) - GA
 * 2) Planetary nebula - FA
 * 3) Sky in favor of Earth's atmosphere (2nd article is more developed)
 * 4) Universe, it’s already on other list


 * from History
 * 1) History of the Internet - GA
 * 2) History of nuclear weapons - GA
 * 3) History of science - GA
 * 4) History of the world - GA
 * 5) Silk Road - GA


 * from Philosophy and religion
 * 1) Aesthetics
 * 2) Agnosticism - an uneven start
 * 3) Altruism - c-class
 * 4) Atheism - well developed; well referenced
 * 5) Creationism
 * 6) Deity
 * 7) Dialectics
 * 8) Divinity - good start
 * 9) Epistemology
 * 10) Theism - a start

(other than earth and space)
 * from Physical sciences
 * 1) Phase (matter)


 * from Social sciences
 * 1) Cooperative
 * 2) Development;
 * 3) Dualism - C-class/start;
 * 4) Gender role - FA
 * 5) Monism
 * 6) Nondualism - C-class
 * 7) Oppression a stub or Social inequality a list;
 * 8) Power disambig and Power (sociology) C-level/start
 * 9) Sociocultural evolution - FA
 * 10) Social equality - just a start - Equality is a disambiguation page


 * from Technology
 * 1) Abstractions
 * 2) Radar - FA
 * 3) Speed
 * 4) Typewriter - FA


 * from Time
 * 1) Day
 * 2) Month
 * 3) Year
 * from Miscellaneous
 * 1) Academy
 * 2) Color
 * 3) Map projection - GA
 * 4) Transport, on other list
 * Maurreen 03:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * My thoughts - I don't have a problem with losing any of these except a couple


 * Tokyo We should keep IMHO, I see it as the 3rd most important city in the world, after New York and London.
 * History of the world is a nice summary of human history and a GA. It nicely complements History of the Earth that we have in the core, that article covers things more like geology and development of life.  Walkerma 03:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I meant to note that History of the world is on the main list. Maurreen 02:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops! Sorry I'd missed that.  I removed History of Earth too, since this was also on the core list.  By the way, I notice that several of your articles for removal are "current events" related, am I right in understanding that you object to these principally because these will not be stable?  I can see the objection, and also the point that if (for example) the Darfur conflict clears up and some other crises rise to prominence, it may well no longer be "core" by (say) 2008.  At the same time, in comparisons with other encyclopediae such as the recent BBC evaluation, Wikipedia score highly because it is so up-to-date.  I suspect that we need a special section for articles (on WP1.0 generally) on current events and figures of prominence - that way we can select the version we use with great care at a time close to publication, making sure it is NPOV.  I'd hate to see WP1.0 come out without an article on the current US president, for example. Walkerma 04:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with most of the above removals. The ones I disagree with are:
 * Sleep. Extremely important, both socially and biologically. Somewhat less important is dream.
 * George W. Bush. Much more internationally important in modern politics than Blair, though both are highly significant. If we include any individual humans in this list, Bush should certainly be included. (As short Hitler and Einstein, for starters.)
 * Body. If your only reasoning for removing it is that it's a stub, you seem to be missing the point of the "Core topics" lists, which is to identify important topics, not articles that are already high-quality. If they were already good enough, we wouldn't need lists like this! "Body" is an extremely essential and basic topic, and worthy of expansion.
 * Jerusalem. Easily one of the most important cities in the world in both the present and the past, and a crux of modern international politics. You're probably recommending its removal because it's not a megacity like New York or London, but don't forget its religious, cultural, and historical importance, which is massive for the Abrahamic religions.
 * Sky - You recommend replacing this with "Earth's atmosphere" entirely because that article is better, which is, again, missing the point of these lists. Plus both Sky and Atmosphere are clearly more important than "Earth's atmosphere", a much more specific and focused topic.
 * Deity - One of the most important concepts in religion, the top-level article for things like God and theism and divinity. Almost as important as soul.
 * Phase (matter) - Encompasses solid, liquid, gas, and plasma, a very key set of articles in chemistry and physics.
 * Speed - How could this not be a core topic? What could be more essential than how fast or slow something moves? What topic comes above this?
 * Day, Year - More important than "month", which is also a close one. ("Week" is further down on the list.)
 * Color - Hugely important.


 * -Silence 08:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Current issues and people
Martin, I think we're in alignment at least in principle. I think the "current events" should generally be one of the last steps, essentially to ensure that they are still current. Working it through a section somehow could be one good option. Maurreen 03:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * As before, I think The Beatles should be on the list. They're surely as important as Beethoven, and it would help balance the US-centric nature of the list so far (baseball? American football? yuk! :P) --kingboyk 14:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This list definitely needs to be made less US-centric. Watch37264 22:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. This list will probably be heavily used for the next release version, so we should get it right.  I'm a Brit, living in America, so I can see different sides and try to be a bit more impartial.  Now, I'm just going to add in all the players of Newcastle United....! Walkerma 17:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Table
I'm moving the table. Nothing's been done with it since it was started.

Hydrogen vs periodic table
I find it particularly odd that hydrogen is listed as a supplemental core but periodic table is not. A well-developed article on the periodic table would describe periodic trends, discovery of the elements, development of the table and other particularly vital information. While hydrogen is just about that element. Does anybody object to me swapping the two on this list? --mav (talk) 22:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you could make a strong case for having both here. If no one else objects, go ahead and add Periodic table to the list.  Hydrogen is the simplest atom, and the basic stuff of most of the universe (in atomic or molecular form), so it's pretty important, but periodic table is very important too.  Note that chemical element is listed at WP:CORE.  Now we have the selection bot, though, a list like this is now much less critical to our mission. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 00:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Done - we also might want to increase the total allowed for this list to 300. --mav (talk) 02:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)