Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Work via WikiProjects/Archive 3

The next postings
I think we are getting near to the time when we can start contacting the projects again. The sun is shining, the bot is working nicely, and the WP0.5 and WP1.0 are almost ready to go. Would someone care to draft a new message? This time:
 * We are asking for their most important articles ("key articles", not just the best ones, i.e. what would they like to see on the CD?
 * We want to encourage them to submit those key articles to WP:V0.5N and/or WP:V1N.
 * We also want to encourage them to use the automated list, log & statistics generated by the bot.
 * Is there anything I missed?

Please post your suggested wordings below, and we'll try editing our favourite. Thanks! Walkerma 19:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, if you're going to be asking for "key articles", you might want to mention the total size of the article set that's going to be on the CD; otherwise, it's a bit difficult to judge relative importance ;-) Kirill Lokshin 19:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I plan (very soon, after exams!) to write a short definition of key articles that will try to put a number on things, though this will be hard. This will regarded as the next level in importance below Vital articles, so we will have a hierarchy:

Core Topics + supps. (150 + 150) > VAs (1000) > Key articles (10,000??)

The "importance" criterion is, however, a relative one, to be judged within the context of each WikiProject. Thanks for your comment, Walkerma 22:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

A bit on how to utilize the bot would be nice, including where to get help setting up the relevant templates and whatnot; it took me a while to figure out magic category-adding templates did the work. Nifboy 04:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, we will definitely have to write this up before we do the post. Thanks! Walkerma 04:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, I haven't written anything on using the bot yet, but I have a draft version of the next post. I used Tito's earlier draft as a starting point, then I updated it.  Please feel free to edit this in my sandbox until we can agree on wording. Thanks, Walkerma 06:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * When do we start spamming? Tito xd (?!? - help us) 06:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * How about doing the Arts listings tonight? Walkerma 03:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC) Before we start, we need to do the following:

Can we at least start contacting groups tonight? Walkerma 03:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Write up a piece on using the bot and have you or someone else check it.
 * 2) We should also check that for each project we contact there are no outstanding issues (e.g., they gave us a list but we haven't added them to the table yet).
 * 3) We need to update our list of projects based on your updated list.
 * Well, I'll try to cook up a template that can be added to a WikiProject's banner and would add all the functionality easily. Then, there are some instructions at Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index of subjects, so those may work. Interiot's list may help, although there have been undergoing issues with the Toolserver, but it may still be of some work. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 03:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * . I'll try to write the instructions for that thing right now. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 04:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * As you may have seen, Oleg wants us to hold off contacting projects until the importance thing is working (perhaps this weekend?). That will give us more time to work on getting the project lists updated, at least.  Tito (and anyone else watching tonight?), can you check over the new Guide to Using Mathbot and correct as needed?  Please add in any suitable information about the new template.  Thanks, Walkerma 04:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I would like us to be using an updated list of wikiprojects, but I see that Interiot's list isn't working. Unfortunately I never copied the list when it was working, did anyone else?  List of WikiProjects seems to be a bit incomplete.  Should we plough through the category listing by hand?  We should probably get the Arts projects updated in the next day or two.  Any thoughts? Walkerma 06:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * As I said, the toolserver is currently undergoing some changes to get replication from the English Wikipedia working correctly (long story). I do have an offline copy of the report, dated April 29, and I've played around with it and made an list at User:Titoxd/WikiProject list hack. Does that help? Tito xd (?!?) 06:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank goodness you had the foresight to do that! Let's use that as a start- I'll create a location for that, if you don't mind. A second thing, I'm thinking that the section pages are getting long and will soon get much longer (hopefully!), and I wonder if we should think about one or both of the following changes:
 * 1) Use the ten top level categories that we use for WP:0.5 & WP:1.0 (these were the ten we debated endlessly at Core Topics then voted on). That would make things a lot smoother when nominating articles from WVWP at WP:V0.5N, (WP:V0.8N?), WP:V1N, etc.
 * 2) Have a contacts list separate from the tables, maybe done as a table so we can see at a glance which have been contacted. Besides the project name and a link to the discussion page posting, the table could also have columns like Initial Contact, Response, Followup, Worklist, Comments. If we end up with a page containing 100 WikiProjects this will be easier than scrolling through huge tables.
 * 3) If a WikiProject starts a worklist (either using the bot or just manual), we should link to that table from the Project entry, and that should replace our entry if appropriate. We already do this in most cases, but we will need to be vigilant in updating this if a lot of groups start using the bot.  This will help keep the table pages from growing to 500 kB.

Comments please? Thanks, Walkerma 15:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I've started a table here, will try to work on it tonight. Walkerma 01:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've now got all of the old listing for Arts and Language & Literature put onto Version 1.0 Editorial Team/List of WikiProjects, this summarises progress so far. You can see easily who has been contacted. I am proposing we use Key Articles for Wikipedia 1.0 as a title on the talk page, and Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Posting2 as a typical posting. Feel free to vary this as you see fit; for broad projects like History or Books we may want to emphasise things like worklists and WP:V0.5 more, whereas for a very specialised project like WikiProject:Shannara we may want only one or a handful of key articles for now. Please look at the List of WikiProjects to see what contacts have been made, and help contact some more! I would encourage you to check back in with any projects you contact within a few days - some may do nothing, but sometimes the posting can precipitate a lengthy discussion, and in one case a worklist that now contains around 7000 articles!!! It would be very rude of us not to follow up on such responses! Thanks to all people helping here, Walkerma 04:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Literature
From WikiProject Books — /Worklist take a look (and copy) and comment. feydey 13:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * This is fantastic! Exactly what we need, thanks!  I had been concerned that we were weak on literature, which I (even as a chemist!) consider a very important subject area, but this helps to rectify the situation.  I'll contact the project too.  Thank you!  Walkerma 14:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Anime and manga
I see that our project has had the pages Anime and History of anime rated, but the project also includes Manga. --Squilibob 00:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but those were the only replies we got when we last contacted your WikiProject. Don't worry, as we are planning another run of contacts soon. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 00:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, didn't know what the process was. --Squilibob 00:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Films
I believe a worklist created for the Wikifilms project would be highly appreciated and very helpful in identifying articles and organizing efforts. What process does a Wikiproject have to go through, in order to request a worklist? A response would be appreciated.--P-Chan 06:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Prior to Mathbot, worklists were manually maintained by the individual Project members; you don't so much "request" a worklist as you simply go ahead and make it. If you want to set up an automagically updated (if totally otherwise unorganized) list, there is a page set up for just this purpose. In your particular case you would take and add Template:Class parameter to it. (at least, this is how I understand the process). Nifboy 07:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Grr... first time I've seen that! I had to code it all myself! --kingboyk 13:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So did everybody else; I don't know of any project that actually used that template ;-) Kirill Lokshin 15:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, keep in mind the actual process of rating articles still has to be done manually, by volunteers. No amount of WikiMagic will get you a complete list of rated articles without a significant amount of work (Hence, bigger projects keep their lists to the most important works; the CVG list is called "Essential articles" for this reason). Nifboy 07:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. We are at the embryonic stages of getting organized.  The template tag "V0.5|class=FA|category=Arts" seems to block our Film|class=FA tags.  I have a feeling that they are mutually exclusive.  Would it be alright to remove the 0.5 tags?--P-Chan 00:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. I think this has been resolved.--P-Chan 23:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject The Simpsons
Hi. On the behalf of The Simpsons WikiProject I would like to request a bot to generate a worklist. I believe that our banner does everything that is required. --Maitch 13:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I was away, but now you seem to have the bot working properly. Let us know if you need any help. Cheers, Walkerma 02:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Novels
From WikiProject Novels — we also have a /Worklist take a look and let us know what else we need to do to get going. I have in mind to set up an "Assessment Department" in similar fashion to that used by WP:MILHIST. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  15:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * As with the Simpsons project above I think our should be sufficient to get us going. Is there anything else we need to do. ::  Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  15:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Now you have the bot-generated list working nicely (well done!), there are a few things to consider:


 * Do you want the bot to sort things by importance for you as well as quality? You can either do this using the template (as done by MILHIST) or you can enter them directly into the quality table.  MILHIST has the bot order their FAs in order of importance, then their A-Class in order of importance, etc.  Note that (unlike with quality) the importance of a novel will change only very rarely.  The advantage of the template method is that you can acquire statistics more easily, and track changes, and readers can see the importance in the template, but the disadvantage is that every talk page ends up being in yet another category.
 * Do you want to include detailed comments? This is a new feature still being tested (I think Oleg only activated it last night), proposed by the Beatles WikiProject, see this discussion for details.  This could be done with transclusion into the template as with this Beatles template example, or by a simple link as in Talk:Neutron.
 * Some groups such as WP:Chem then choose to post the statistics table on the project page or project talk page, so people can track progress. WP:Chem was one of the first to start using assessments as an incentive towards improvement of articles, part of the project goals of focussing efforts on a small (380) group of articles through a worklist.
 * An assessment department sounds like an excellent idea to me. I hope these comments help, and please ask more questions as needed.  We're very pleased that we'll see assessments coming in for such an important subject area. Walkerma 16:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:WPBeatles is now transcluding comments
Moved to Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index_of_subjects. --kingboyk 08:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Archive pages with ratings being tagged by the bot
I was looking over the lists and noticed articles like Wii/archive11 being listed as B-class. Obviously this isn't the case; the assessment is a talk page leftover for the Wii article. Any chance we could get the bot to ignore either archive pages or talk pages without articles? Nifboy 07:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Considering the very small number of cases where this occurs and the difficulty in making changes to the bot, might it not be easier simply to remove the tags from the archive? Kirill Lokshin 15:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I would have thought so. An occasional trawl through the categories/bot-produced-lists of one's WikiProject to check for weirdness like that is part of the game I'm afraid. --kingboyk 16:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I can teach the bot to ignore any pages containing the string "/archive", but I agree that the better solution is just to not archive the line with the template and assessment. I think it is not good to keep outdated assessments in the archive and they just clutter the categories. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Television
This is our (my) list of articles to include in 0.5. I'll try and create on of those tags later, but for now, here's the main list. -- Zanimum

Really important articles:
 * Television
 * Television series
 * Television commercial
 * Television movie
 * Television special
 * Miniseries
 * Television channel
 * Television network
 * Television system
 * Terrestrial television
 * Cable television
 * Satellite television
 * Digital television
 * Commercial broadcasting
 * Public broadcasting

Fairly important articles:
 * Animated television series
 * Dramatic television series
 * Game show
 * Infomercial
 * News program
 * Newsmagazine
 * Reality television
 * Situation comedy
 * Soap operas
 * Talk show
 * Television comedy
 * Variety show
 * Live television
 * Videocassette recorder
 * Videotape

Important articles:
 * Al-Jazeera
 * ARD (broadcaster)
 * Australian Broadcasting Corporation
 * British Broadcasting Corporation
 * Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
 * CNN
 * China Central Television
 * Deutsche Welle
 * Disney Channel
 * MTV
 * NBC
 * NHK
 * Rede Globo
 * Televisa
 * Television New Zealand


 * Astroboy
 * Blue Peter
 * Coronation Street
 * Dallas
 * The Flintstones
 * Guiding Light
 * I Love Lucy
 * Idol series
 * Seinfeld
 * The Simpsons
 * Star Trek
 * The Tonight Show


 * Regis Philbin
 * Jerry Seinfeld
 * Aaron Spelling

Please forgive me for commenting without being asked: That's a rather America-centric list as far as the 3 people listed are concerned. I've never even heard of Regis Philbin, and Jerry Seinfeld is of declining importance the further one travels from the US. I also think that the British Broadcasting Corporation, CNN and a few other broadcasters are more important than Dallas or the Idol series! --kingboyk 19:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No, thank you for mentioning this. But Wikiproject Television is a (to paraphrase Newton Minnow), and I could only go so far in developing the list from my Canadian perspective.


 * Idol series was included because no other show has been franchised as much, Dallas remains the highest rated single program broadcast, Jerry Seinfeld remains the highest paid television personality, and Regis Philbin remains the person with the most screen time in television history. They may be US-centric, but other than Blue Peter, I know of no other international television series that hold world records, except perhaps communist programming on CCTV.


 * As for my ranking of the articles, it was structured as universal concepts, genres and more tech, channels with international impact, and finally actual specific television shows and people that have had a last impact on the television industry. --  Zanimum 13:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. Numbers do not necessarily indicate importance. Perhaps American shows and personalities have historically held these records because you are a populous and rich country with a high rate of TV ownership per capita? Furthermore, do Seinfeld's riches make him important? On the same importance level as the BBC? I think not, but it's not my list :)
 * I'm glad to see you have Coronation Street listed. Now how about a show from Australia? India? Canada? How about some personalities who aren't American? :) --kingboyk 13:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * On second thoughts, as it's Wikipedia 0.5 you're addressing (which is very limited anyway) let's not worry too much about it :) With MathBot assisted assessments for Version 1.0 hopefully overcoming the "wasteland" problem we can come up with a little more variety then... --kingboyk 13:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

In which case, perhaps you meant to post at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.5 Nominations? :) --kingboyk 19:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * This is the right place for now, I think, until we have the assessments done. Walkerma 19:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject FBI
The project has been created and I have Project FBI created. Is there anything I a missing? -- Shane (talk/contrib) 18:26, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I was on the road over the weekend and didn't respond. It seems like you have things working nicely, thanks for using the bot!  The only other feature you aren't using is an optional one (only a few projects use it, it's pretty new) is the transcluded comments feature.  If you want to add this, read this.  Walkerma 07:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll check it out. --[[Image:FBISeal.png|15px]] Shane (talk/contrib) 19:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice. Very cool.. adding the features right now. :)

A reminder for future Project contacts
Once we make the 0.5 set nominations page official, we should point willing Projects (even ones that have bot lists) in that general direction. Nifboy 07:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent idea! Walkerma 04:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Community
Please contact us at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Community. We could use some help with assessment and assessment tools if anyone has the time. Thanks in advance! &bull; CQ 22:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Sociology
WikiProject Sociology is diving in. I think I have everything set up. See Category:WikiProject Sociology and Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Sociology articles by quality. So far, no word from the bot. We're using on the Sociology (GA) article along with some token articles: List of sociology topics (our worklist), Role (we have one, ya know) and a new stub Affinity (sociology), which is what wikipedia ought to be all about.

I put WikiProject Sociology on the "Big list" under "Humanities" creating a "Sociology" heading and moved WikiProject Community undernieth it since it is a "child" project. Let me know if I screwed things up. &bull; CQ 09:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * At a cursory glance it looks OK. The bot ran on The Beatles categories at 05:07, and your category was created at 05:21. I guess you missed today's run. Check tommorow and if you haven't heard from the bot please report back here - Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index - which is where the bot creator hangs out and technical issues are discussed. --kingboyk 10:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index is where the bot hangs out. The bot creator hangs out wherever he pleases. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the less said about where you hang out the better, Oleg? :P --kingboyk 16:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks a heap, Kingboyk. See WikiProject Sociology. We're looking forward to working with you. &bull; CQ 14:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC) WP:CBTF
 * Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Sociology articles by quality - looks like you're in business! Welcome aboard. --kingboyk 22:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * About the hierarchy -- sociology is not part of the humanities, it is a social science. Maurreen 17:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen at places like Talk:Humanities, I think that depends on your location. I think in French & German traditions sociology is included, that's why we need to resolve the Worldwide View issue at Humanities. Walkerma 23:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The template on the Sociology page lists it as part of the social sciences. Given that this is the English WP, I think other views are more important than the French and German. Maurreen 00:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, you're right, I was more explaining than defending the situation but I didn't make that clear. I realise now that the humanities listing is in fact now obsolete (in theory).  Once I get time to reorganise those pages, I'll be putting it under "Social sciences and society". Walkerma 01:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Geography and places
I created Category:Wikipedia geography work groups and did some sorting of the general wikiprojects page (for WP). Also, when anyone is ready to do more with this subject, we can reactivate Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Geography. Maurreen 20:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Version 1.0 for Indonesian WikiProject
I've just created WikiProject Indonesia and apparently, I'm using the WP:1.0 program to count the articles "automatically" (for the ratings). My question is, is the data updated automatically or manually? Because I've put Indonesia article a rating but it hasn't showed up on the statistics. I've made the project page of Am I doing the right thing? Since I just ripped of WikiProject Australia and WikiProject India's concept. Any help would be highly appreciated, cheers -- Imo eng  02:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Indonesia_articles_by_quality
 * Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Indonesia_articles_by_quality_statistics
 * The bot runs once in 24 hours. I speeded up Indonesia a bit today, but in the future you should expect the update to pop up at any time between now and two-three hours later. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Lithuania
I just finished creating the banner and categories for rating Lithuania-related articles. See WikiProject Lithuania/Assessment. What should I do next? Renata 16:33, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Start tagging things, presumably? ;-) Kirill Lokshin 16:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, looks like you're pretty much good to go - you don't have categories for all the article classes yet, but you have enough for the bot to find you. I'd advise tagging and assessing a few articles and take it from there. --kingboyk 16:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So the bot will auto-include our categories, right? Or should I sign up somewhere? Renata 17:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Lituania is in now, Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Lithuania articles by quality. The bot will run in normal mode at its usual time tonight (10 hours from now). If you tag more articles in the meantime, they will get added to the list. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Of course, a lot more article will be tagged in the near future. But for now I have another question: I did comments not in a separate sub-page, but as a parameter in the banner. Should I re-do it? Or could something be done so that the comments are read atomatically? Renata 17:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If you want them included in the generated worklists, they'll need to be on a separate subpage. If you just need them on the talk page, though, your method is probably simpler. Kirill Lokshin 17:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Council
You folks might be interested in WP:COUNCIL, whose purpose is to help in the creation, coordination and management of Wikipedia's WikiProjects... Tito xd (?!?) 20:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Organized Labour
I just fired up the Assessment department for WikiProject Organized Labour. Hopefully I've covered everything, but if anyone wants to take a second look it would be appreciated. I've taged a few articles, and I'll keep an eye on things for couple days. Cheers.--Bookandcoffee 20:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that! I see the bot has picked up the project, so let's keep our fingers crossed. Walkerma 03:25, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Star Wars and WikiProject Blackadder
I have done all the instructions required to get these projects using the assessment scale, but the statistics aren't coming up. What's wrong? ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 04:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the Blackadder categories- perhaps you can copy what I did. You need to put all of the XX-Class Star Wars articles into a category called Category:Star Wars articles by quality, then place that category into Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments.  The bot should then pick up all the assessments tonight. Walkerma 16:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Help in putting an assessment team together
I am an editor with WikiProject Comics, and we'd like to put an assessment team together like many of the other projects whose work is part of this. I am a little overwhelmed, however, by the information, and I can't anything on how to get started. Can someone point me in the right direction for this? --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  18:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If you want to set up a bot-generated list, see Using/setting up the bot; that's the primary thing going on here. If you want the bot set up for you, just ask. Nifboy 21:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a bit of useful material here as well. Kirill Lokshin 21:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Space exploration
Hi, i've just made a banner at and set up the appropriate categories (i hope) for the Space exploration WikiProject. is there anything more that needs to be done? Mlm42 17:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, ironically I was out at a talk on the Stardust (spacecraft) mission! I took a quick look at your setup and everything looks fine.  Just check that this project shows up on the main list tonight (probably about midnight EST).  Thanks for getting this subject area reactivated, I know the WikiProjects have been pretty quiet lately, yet there should be a lot of interesting articles for you to work on.  Thanks also for using the bot. Walkerma 02:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Paranormal
Hi, I'm here representing Wikiproject Paranormal. I just set us up our own assessment department, so I wanted to give you guys a 'heads-up' in case you needed anything from us now. --InShaneee 18:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I see that Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Paranormal_articles_by_quality_log looks pretty active, so I think everything is working fine. Just check that the assessments come out the way you planned.  Thanks for using the bot! Walkerma 21:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)