Wikipedia talk:Village stocks/Archive 1

Template?
Hey, isn't this fun? What we need now is someone to craft a fine template to place on featured users' pages. Some kind of summons to the stocks... Gwinva (talk) 00:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Have a look at Template:Stocks, which I plagiarised from a barn star. Not sure if the phrasing is right. "you have been sentenced to the stocks"?   Cast your eyes over it, then if it works ok, we can notify the subjects of this page.  Gwinva (talk) 01:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems about right. Should there be a time period involved or is the sentence for life? Ronnotel (talk) 04:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the page is for life, as they achieve legendary status. The template is like a barnstar: the recipient can archive, delete or display with pride as so inclined. Gwinva (talk) 06:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Ed Poor
How about including Ed Poor for deleting VfD? A ecis Brievenbus 00:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * go ahead: find a diff or a link so we can all see it. Gwinva (talk) 00:40, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's definitely one for the recursion award. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The deletion deletion? Yeah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nononsense101 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Please remove this
Sorry to be a killjoy. But, this is a terrible idea. 1) Humiliating people is not a great way to foster civility. 2) WP:BEANS 3) I can see less mature admins seeking ways to get themselves added to this. In short, no benefit to the project and potential harm. Please reconsider.--Docg 15:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand your POV. However, please consider that one pre-requisite for holding the mop is the ability to suffer one's ignominy with grace. Also, WP:BEANS may be a bit far-fetched, I think. ;) Ronnotel (talk) 15:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * to suffer one's ignominy with grace - so you always ask people before adding them? I'd say one of the pre-requisits is also not to humiliate or celebrate the ignominy of others.--Docg 15:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, not celebrating, not at all. I think you misunderstand. More like a cautionary tale, something that can helpfully help new admins understand where the pitfalls lie and why to take things like WP:NAS seriously. Ronnotel (talk) 16:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That deleting the mainpage is bad isn't rocket science. What is NAS?--Docg 16:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * NAS = New Admin School, which I'm sure you remember from when you when through it, right? :) Ronnotel (talk) 16:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, never heard of it. Sounds like more instruction creep to me.--Docg 16:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, for example, I didn't realize that deleting the sandbox can take down WP. It's not so far-fetched that a newbie admin might think that the sandbox is an appropriate target for a test of the delete button. Obviously at least one admin thought it was a good idea. Seems to me that would be a nice thing to make sure we all knew. Ronnotel (talk) 16:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The best way to communicate that would be to add a "do not delete" notice to the sandbox. Hoping that people might have read this page is pretty weak.--Docg 17:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand your concerns, Doc, but this is supposed to be humorous, and any real humiliation should be removed. I've expanded the "it's not a pillory" note on the page to read: Please note this is NOT a pillory. Its purpose is to amuse, and in essence is a type of cautionary tale, warning us all of the pitfalls waiting to lure us all in. It should never be offensive or accusatory, and anyone posted is free to remove themselves at any time., so I hope that makes it more clear. Gwinva (talk) 18:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I also am not sure if this page is a good idea. I don't think that admins having to  suffer one's ignominy with grace means that it is OK to disregard the feelings of admins who make mistakes. Sure, some of them might really not mind being on this page, but others might, and how can you tell the difference? If you just want to tell a cautionary tale then there is no need to name names. Arthena(talk) 18:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You are right: anyone who doesn't want to be here should not be. Hence people are notified of their nomination. (They could even be asked before posting). And some tales might well be best told annonymously.  Essentially, this is for those "Fair cop guv, let this be a lesson to us all" type moments.  Gwinva (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'm all for any ideas that can make this a low drama event. Participants in this are just that, participants -free to withdraw at any time. Perhaps we can use the word 'participate' on the project page to make that sentiment clear? Ronnotel (talk) 19:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Please then remove all instances where the disparaged person has not consented to inclusion.--Docg 19:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have left a message on everyone's talk page inviting them to do just that. (Except Maxim, who displays his award on his user page, and Animum, who was a self-nom).  I'll add something to the project page to suggest willing participants only.  And no destructive acts just to get in!  Gwinva (talk) 22:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Awww. How am I supposed to make a fool of myself then, and end up on the stocks? I have a craving for seafood. Boomer VialHolla 19:37, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Other projects?
How about when a certain Commons admin deleted the deletion requests page? (similar to our XfDs). Could they be included?  Majorly  (talk) 16:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that's funny. I personally wouldn't be against cross-project postings such as this, since the "certain admin" is a wikipedia one as well.  Since it is an amusing momentary madness, and a good cautionary tale it would certainly qualify. Gwinva (talk) 04:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Added. Barnstar coming your way. Gwinva (talk) 01:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Controversial actions: treading carefully
A certain user was added to this page over bot null-edits to the main page, but I have removed it for the time being: feeling is still running high at WP:AN, and we don't want to incite anything, or seem to be slinging mud. For incidents like this I think it is wise to sit back and wait until things are resolved. If blocks and bans eventuate, then it is not so amusing. No notice was left on the user page at the time of posting, so we'll leave things for now, I suggest. If everyone can laugh over it in a few days time, then we can re-post properly. Gwinva (talk) 04:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * User:East718 added himself to the hall of shame, but I haven't added any diffs since there was another user involved (as above). Gwinva (talk) 03:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Suggested nomination
How about this one from the archives: User:Moriori moved the Main Page to Hauturu/Little Barrier Island on November 1, 2005. Move log Sadly Moriori appears to have left Wikipedia, so can't be notified of this - but as a really, really dumb page move, can we add it anyway? Terraxos (talk) 05:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Nah, we shouldn't add people who aren't around to be notified. -- ChrisO (talk) 03:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No probs, I am now, and have added my indiscretion to the article. Yes, it was "a really, really dumb page move" but I didn't actually do it,  although should have prevented it from happening so accept the responsibility. Penance completed. Moriori (talk) 22:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Deleting contibs from the sandbox
I don't quite remember who the poor sod was, but trying to remove an edit from the main page, resulting in nobody being able to edit wikipedia for a good part of an hour should deserve a nomination. Anyone remembers? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 01:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you thinking of the sandbox (as per header) or main page (as per comment)? Scientizzle deleted the sandbox and crashed WP, and is well-stocked. Gwinva (talk) 07:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, Maxim
Can someone find a link to the deleted Main Page? Evil Wendy  Man  17:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Here. -- Amalthea Talk 17:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

deletion
Would anyone support me if I nominated this stupid page for deletion? Pzrmd (talk) 05:37, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No. --Closedmouth (talk) 05:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not I. In addition to actually being funny, this is some tribal knowledge about what NOT to do. Jclemens (talk) 05:48, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I would not support deletion of this page. It acts as a cautionary tale about the pitfalls that wikipedians can fall down if they're not careful (After all, it is surprisingly easy to nominate the wrong page for deletion.  I nearly did that myself but caught myself before comfirming the edit) Looneyman (talk) 21:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

User:Musamies
This seems on the surface like it's being used more as a pillory for a user who made a genuine oversight/error in judgement. In light of the "bold, revert" part of WP:BRD that's already taken place, however, I'm leaving it under Nominations until there's a little "discussion". – RobinHood70 talk 01:44, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No, this absolutely does not belong here. Hut 8.5 15:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree completely.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 19:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Rename "Hall of Shame"
I think that since the title is "Village stocks," "Hall of shame" makes no sense. I think one of the following would be better: In no way do we have to select one of these. I'm open to suggestions.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:15, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "Prisoners sentenced to the Stocks"
 * "Editors jailed in the stocks"
 * "For egging"
 * I don't know, surely after they've been taken out of the stocks, they have to be commemorated somewhere? --Philosopher Let us reason together. 08:25, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Or we could put them in a subpage labeled "Hall of shame."Jasper Deng (talk) 01:14, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Or we could WP:NOTBROKEN leave it. ;) - The Bushranger One ping only 01:24, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What a crazy thought... It just might be crazy enough to work.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 23:26, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

East718
East718 got the "it seemed like a good idea at the time..." award, which I don't think he deserved. I think the revisions (even though he used an unapproved bot) really were a good idea, because there are consequences to deleting the Main Page. He should have gotten the bot approved first, but I think it was a great idea to make the Main Page undeletable. C h r o m a Nebula  (talk)   21:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The consequences of his unapproved attempt, however, are what landed him in the stocks. Hence, it seemed like a good idea at the time... - The Bushranger One ping only 21:17, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What consequences? What happened? C h r o m a Nebula   (talk)   00:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe it delayed the server for a while? Inter  change  able  22:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed; choking the server with the massive load the unapproved bot created is the cause of the award. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 22:50, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

"Let's warn everyone"
I changed this award recently and was reverted. The title of the award just isn't funny. It's not creative, reflecting on exactly what Master of Puppets did rather than adding to it with a joke. I changed it to Town Crier because it improves upon the idea of MoP's actions: a town crier warns everyone. Any thoughts? Inter change  able  00:07, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

It's been more than a month and no one has commented on this. Will someone please give some input? Inter change  able  18:41, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Good point. I will revert myself and restore it. I'm sorry for the delayed response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChromaNebula (talk • contribs) 20:14, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Why did you revert it in the first place if you approved of it? Inter  change  able  21:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Your excellent point made me change my mind. I'm sorry for that snappy edit summary I wrote when I made the original edit. It was uncivil and I withdraw it. C h r o m a Nebula   (talk)   00:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think it was uncivil. I agree that it should not have been made without consensus. Inter  change  able  15:08, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Question
Not that it's a big deal, but is there a log somewhere of Scientizzle deleting the sandbox we could link to? The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 18:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Strange, it doesn't seem to be logged anywhere. Possibly the developers did something to stop it from crashing the servers which resulted in the log entry being removed. Hut 8.5 18:44, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Did my admin toolbox block itself then request unblock? Is this someone's fancy new 'bot doing this?
We are trying to figure out what went wrong with this category: Category:Requests for unblock Anyone know why admin toolbox pages are turning up there? - Co rb ie V  ☊☼ 20:58, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed. (In the future, WP:VPT is probably a better place for this sort of question.) Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:07, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Mystery Woman
Who is 'She who must not be named?' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.49.143.45 (talk) 02:15, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Someone who used Moriori's account. I've added a link to clarify things. Graham 87 03:22, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

alphabetical vs chronological order
Currently the incidents are sorted in alphabetical order. But I think it would be better to sort in chronological order. Opinions are requested. — usernamekiran (talk)  22:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Alphabetical order makes sense because the heading titles start with the name of each user in the stocks. Sorting the entries in chronological order would mean adding at least the month and year when they occurred to the heading. IMO there wouldn't be much point in that. Graham 87 03:43, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Addition request: SoWhy for nominating the front page for deletion.
Nice.  Nixinova   T   C  04:16, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Best ask SoWhy. I'm meh about it being added ... far more interesting things have happened while testing scripts! But if somebody can do an interesting writeup on it (not me, at least for now), be my guest. Graham 87 15:34, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I’m also meh.  Things like nuking a bot’s contributions, inadvertently overloading the server, or making changes to accounts iTunes hilarious side effects are more interesting.— CYBERPOWER  ( Chat ) 17:38, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * According to, the main page has been nominated for deletion on nine previous occasions, not all of which were on 1 April. Nick-D (talk) 23:51, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Got my (deserved) trout for that already, I think that should suffice. Learned important lesson that I shouldn't use 8+ year old scripts. Since it's the stock, it's not my decision anyway. Regards SoWhy 08:54, 5 June 2018 (UTC)