Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5/Society/Archive 9

Add The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
The article largely talks about how it’s one of the greatest jazz albums ever made. It’s rated high on WikiProject Jazz, and as of this writing rateyourmusic has it as #14 on their overall album charts.


 * Support
 * 1) SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:40, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) I say this as a jazz fan but it is extremely difficult for jazz albums to achieve a level of vitality similar to the other albums in different genres we list. We list  because it had extraordinary cross-genre appeal and we also list  because it is universally regarded as a top 3 jazz album of all time. I would bet most people in general wouldn't know Charles Mingus as compared to Miles Davis or John Coltrane and even jazz fans wouldn't be able to name this album. Even out of Mingus' discography, I would choose Mingus Ah Um over this since it is also considered one of the greatest jazz albums of all time and has two tracks with their own Wikipedia articles (including the well-known political protest track Fables of Faubus) as opposed to 0 on The Black Saint. Aurangzebra (talk) 07:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose per Aurangzebra. I think it would make sense to list more songs than albums from the jazz genre. Jazz standard is not yet a vital article even. --Makkool (talk) 07:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh man, didn't even notice that. Would support an add for Jazz standard. Aurangzebra (talk) 08:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) per above.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 13:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss

Swap for Mandopop
I believe there was some discussion on "outsider musicians" on the people section, and as someone who is at least somewhat familiar with the topic, I don't think its vital as it a somewhat niche and often-controversial term. The definition is rather murky and it can refer to people with mental illnesses, self-taught musicians, ir even sometimes works from "established" musicians ( is mentioned in the article). I think listing the more common term alone is a better term. As for Mandopop, we already list and  so alongside it I think them I think it also makes sense to list a representative for popular music in the PRC, until recently the most populous country in the world (there is also C-pop, but I believe that term was only termed in correlation to the other two, whereas Mandopop has more interwikis and pageviews).


 * Support
 * 1) Nom Iostn (talk) 23:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Support removal. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Support removal per nom.  starship .paint  (RUN) 12:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Swap with Cantopop, per below. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Swap with Cantopop instead Makkool (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose
 * 1) Add instead, which has higher page views than . feminist🩸 (talk) 06:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Add Cantopop per feminist. Mandopop being only named after Cantopop existed showed how Cantopop had significantly spread cross culturally first.  starship .paint  (RUN) 12:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss

Swap for Latin pop
Muzak seems rather redundant when we already list, and , so I think the former brand name needs to go. Latin pop sort of works as an answer to K-pop/J-pop/Mandopop even if it doesn't exactly mean "Spanish-language pop", but even so "J-pop" isn't synonymous with "Japanese popular music" et al, and "Latin" here covers a vast region.


 * Support
 * 1) Nom Iostn (talk) 23:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Support swap: background music already covers Muzak/elevator music well. Makkool (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Swap for Progressive rock
I assume "progressive music" is here as an attempt to use an umbrella term that includes progressive rock, but as a term it doesn't even refer so much to any specific style as it does various subgenres with "progressive" in the name. The only other "progressive" genres that are really linked to prog rock are Progressive metal (which makes sense given that metal is pretty directly derived from rock), progressive pop and maybe Progressive soul, although that ones a lot less direct. In any case, all three of those are much less vital or well-known as progressive rock, which has far higher pageviews and interwikis than all of them or the umbrella page, and is one of the most significant rock genres.


 * Support
 * 1) Nom Iostn (talk) 23:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Prog rock is definitely the most vital type of prog. Makkool (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
is V4 but it has no V5 children outside the recently added invisibility. This seems like a major subtopic. Suprisingly, science fiction literature is just a redirect. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Support --Thi (talk) 09:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per nom.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 09:55, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Definitely support--Zorro2212 (talk) 11:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Fun/mindblowing stuff that both philosophers and sf writers tackle, influencing popculture too. 23 interwikis, ~1k daily page views. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) As someone who does not look into philosophy very much, I have thought about this myself a few times. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:24, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:48, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per nom.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 08:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add Balance of trade and Balance of payments
These are indicators of the sustainability of a country's economy, with major influence on international finance and trade policy.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 15:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:45, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:07, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Support BOT-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) per nom.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 10:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) Support per nom. Gizza  (talk) 01:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 7)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 09:44, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose
 * 1) BOP-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Mixed


 * Discuss

Add
A major concept in political science and within.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 08:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Per nom. Significant oversight. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per above.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 09:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss
 * Meh, neo-nationalism seems like a better candidate, nowadays at least.  The Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 15:09, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Swap: Remove, Add
We currently only list four national legislatures: Brazil, China, the U.K., and the U.S. Of the four, Brazil seems odd since it is only a major regional (not global) power, and it has a presidential system of government. I would prefer to have the Indian parliament. India is a much, much, larger country that can be considered an emerging global power. It also seems that, on the English Wikipedia, the legislature of the world's largest Anglophone country would be vital enough for this level.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:46, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 15:36, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per nom.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 08:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Support addition.. Neutral on removal. Gizza  (talk) 01:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) India could use a bit more representation compared to the US and UK. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 7)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 21:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose
 * 1) Oppose removal. This list is not anglophone centric and Brazil is regional power on South America just like India is in South Asia.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 22:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Discuss

Remove, possible swap with fingering (sexual act)
Not entirely sure why mammary intercourse is listed here: fairly niche sexual act (in the grand scheme of all sexual acts) and doesn't have the same cultural legacy as the other acts we include. We can possibly replace it with fingering which is much more common and addresses sysbias a bit since it lends itself more towards female sexuality. Fingering also wins in all the metrics: 54 interwikis vs 47 interwikis, 6000 daily page views vs 2300.


 * Support
 * 1) Support swap as nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 01:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Support add/Oppose remove. MI may seem niche in comparison to F(sa) because not all breast cleavage is sufficient to host MI, while all vagina are able to host F(sa). MI may be less common than Oral and digital/manual breast engagement, but I am not convinced MI is trivial.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Swap per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) Change to support add/oppose remove per TonyTheTiger and Piotrus. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 10:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) That's quite a statement, TonyTheTiger. Support addition per nominator.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 15:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Support addition  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 12:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose
 * 1) Oppose removal, no objection to addition. 47 interwikis, over 2k daily pageviews. We should have room for this kind of fetish - the numbers do not suggest it is too niche for V5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose removal per Piotrus.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 15:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Neutral


 * Discussion

Swap for Sadomasochism
Japanese bondage/kinbaku/shibari is a rather niche subset or style of bondage that lacks the overall level of societal recognition or importance as most of the other activities listed under the sexuality section, while Sadomasochism, the most well-known part of the BDSM acronym and one with which BDSM as a whole is often confused with (BDSM is an umbrella term that also includes "Bondage and discipline" and "dominance and submission" as these may not necessarily involve pain, which is what sadomasochism refers to specifically) is conspicuously absent.


 * Support
 * 1) Nom Iostn (talk) 23:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Seens reasonable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) I was thinking "I'm surprised the latter isn't listed" then realized is. Still, a fair proposal. feminist🚰 (talk) 02:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 7) Per nom. The broader article is more vital. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) Japanese bondage is the most common form of bondage, not that niche. Sadomasochism is already covered by other articles.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 14:10, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Discussion

Add Color field
For some reason, this is a respected type of art. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) I have no idea why this is so popular but it is. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
The reason why exists. Can plausibly be at V4. Place this under Economics.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Support, but I think it would be better under Everyday Life than Economics. It is not a strictly economic term, it is part of all areas of life. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, it's part of all areas of life in the same way and  are, but that alone doesn't mean it should be placed under Everyday life. Risk guides decision-making, and judging the level of risk to make a choice or another is primarily an economics topic with some psychology involved. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 1)  but not Risk?  starship  .paint  (RUN) 01:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add soul food
Culinary traditions of African-Americans.


 * Support
 * 1) SailorGardevoir (talk) 08:28, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per nom.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 08:45, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add Tom's Diner
This song played a huge part in the development of the MP3.


 * Support
 * 1) SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) Not vital enough as a song --Makkool (talk) 21:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Niche trivia in the development of . feminist🩸 (talk) 01:59, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss
 * Huh? Isn't MP3 a format for audio?  The Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 00:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The song was used for testing digital compression. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:28, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Remove
The Siberian Turkic language family has c. 750k-1m speakers, so Yakut should cover it well. Tuvan’s native speakers are at ~250k. No, these kinds of languages are not vital at V5. Vileplume ( talk ) 01:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nom.  Vileplume  ( talk ) 01:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom. In general, we really need to clean up the languages section. As I mention in one of the threads above, we list languages with 200k speakers and don't list some with 4+ million. Aurangzebra (talk) 01:08, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I also disagree with every country’s official languages being vital. What else makes languages like, , etc. vital at V5? Vileplume  ( talk ) 01:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You mentioned here that we could regularly have some subsection for focused work. That would be fun to do for languages for example. There are languages with no speakers but that are culturally important like and languages with millions of speakers like  that doesn't seem to have anything else significant about them. It would be good to hear more people's opinions on what to include and on what basis. --Makkool (talk) 12:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) Support per nom. --Makkool (talk) 17:28, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discuss

Add
Pretty famous series. Note that this is different from, who is at V4. But the series should be V5 at least. Or perhaps a swap can be considered later - I have trouble deciding what is more vital (the character or the series). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:03, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:03, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per nom.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 13:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Support either add or swap with the character per TompaDompa. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Support addition. Oppose swap. Don’t forget that James Bond the character is a level 4 article. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 6)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 12:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 7) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 8) 🥒  Greenish Pickle! 🥒 (🔔) 05:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss
 * I don't think we should list the franchise and character separately, and I think the inclusion of the character over the franchise is a rather obvious error. I would unreservedly support a swap. TompaDompa (talk) 13:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Add
Also known as jelly or jello.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) feminist🩸 (talk) 04:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per nom.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 02:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Remove
This title was basically only ever used by and a few other German Nazis. As such, it overlaps a good bit with. It does not need to be listed.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per above.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 12:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) feminist🩸 (talk) 15:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discuss

Swap: Remove, add
I'm not seeing the need to include two French banks at the moment. IMO, the largest private bank in the world is more important than the world's largest cooperative financial institution.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 15:09, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) We should list a Swiss bank because they are known for bank secrecy. Especially since UBS merged with Credit Suisse, making it even more important as the only big Swiss bank. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add Megami Tensei and/or Mass Effect
Megami Tensei is highly popular in Japan, inspired Pokémon's monster collecting mechanic, and spawned the Persona series which has become very well-known internationally. It was one of the earliest video games to have mature storytelling and one of the earliest RPGs to have moral choices and multiple endings.

Mass Effect is one of the most important Western RPG series, created the dialogue wheel, and is noted for its representation of LGBT relationships.

Cadevo86 (talk) 17:09, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) Support Mass Effect. We had a big disucssion and manga/anime and I don't think MT was mentioned; and as someone interested in these topics, subjectively, I think ME is more famous. Interesting oversight, given we list IMHO too many video games already. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) We need less video game articles. Would reconsider if paired with articles to swap with. Makkool (talk) 20:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss

Remove and
I propose to remove these to balance some of the recent additions we've made in economics. You are unlikely to hear these concepts outside of class.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) 2 interwikis each. Niche.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 14:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Makkool (talk) 16:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) The articles do not explain why these topics are important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
A very important part of video games. It has existed since in the 1980s and was popular then, but it has since become really popular with the more recent console generations. ,, and are all good examples of open world games.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Would easily list this before Skyrim or The Witcher (proposed for removal above). λ Negative  MP1  00:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Important concept in games. Kevinishere15 (talk) 03:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Support, as proposed above. Mokadoshi (talk) 02:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Minecraft as well.  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 10:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discuss

Add
Debatably the most important album from the discography of. For being one of the most popular entertainers/artists of the 21st century thus far, it feels bizzare that none of her music is considered vital, and I think this album would be the one to list. This, alongside Red (Taylor Swift album), are generally considered the two main albums that made Swift the pop icon she is today. It was considered one of the best albums of the decade, the century, of all time, and also produced some of her most well known music (namely Blank Space, Shake It Off, and Bad Blood (Taylor Swift song), all of which were subject to their own analysis). It's not possible to list all of the retrospecitve commentary on this album in a nomination confined to a paragraph or two, but even a skim of the article's legacy section proves that this album would be deserving of vitality in my opinion. A similar case could be made with the aforementioned Red as well, but this one seems to have been more impactful to the music industry, and listing two of her albums may be a bit much at this current point in time. λ Negative  MP1  04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. λ  Negative  MP1  04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discussion

Remove
A defunct organization superseded by the.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per above.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 12:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) feminist🩸 (talk) 15:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5)  J  947  ‡ edits 07:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Remove
Presumably added because it is "believed to be the first English courtesy book", but it does not appear to have been particularly influential. Author Daniel of Beccles does not even have a Wiki page.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 03:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) is not even listed at VA5, and I'm not sure if it should be. This book should not be anywhere near the list. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per above.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 12:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Per nom. With, Emily Post would be an infinitely better choice. Note  as well, on this subject.  J  947  ‡ edits 07:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Remove
This game was really well-received, but we can't have every "best game of all time" on the list, and there are games like and  that are not listed despite having more sourcing for their position as "best game of all time" on that list. Additionally, this game is a subtopic of, which is already listed, so the game would still be represented.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom, although I would also be willing to support removing instead if that would be preferred. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) I have to give a reluctant support, as we did already vote to remove Planescape: Torment. We have to strictly limit what games we can list, and old school cult classics have less standing on the list than really innovating video games. Makkool (talk) 15:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) I am a fan and thought about removing this; is enough.-- Laukku  TheGreit  (Talk•Contribs) 15:55, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per above.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 12:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) We need a reconsideration of what video games truly qualify to be the most vital articles for an encyclopedia. Just because something was popular or a "cult classic" doesn't mean it left an impact on the entire industry.  is already listed, and that's good in my opinion. λ  Negative  MP1  20:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) I would prefer to remove LucasArts adventure games instead as that's the page with much lower traffic and even collectively, I don't think they are as clearly defined as a single group as say, a single series/franchise would be. Iostn (talk) 19:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose per Iost, and I generally prefer to list the most important individual games rather than overall franchises Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Neutral


 * Discuss

Move to Science fiction and fantasy
Its own article lists it as a science fiction movie first and foremost, it's also a comedy but it's primarily sci-fi. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss
 * 1) I think subcategory moves fall under the purview of WP:BOLD. Feel free to go ahead and make the change; if anyone disagrees, they can revert and start a new discussion. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) That's what I'll do Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:38, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Add
A fabric wrapped around the waist, worn in Southeast Asia, South Asia, Western Asia, Northern Africa, East Africa, West Africa, and on many Pacific islands.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:24, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Iostn (talk) 21:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) 45 interwikis.  starship .paint  (RUN) 10:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Place this under Vital articles/Level/4/Everyday life. Surprising omission imo.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) ... wasted on the young. Key stage of life.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 12:49, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Support --Makkool (talk) 21:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Whereas Teenager redirects to Adolescence, Youth is considered notably different. Not opposed to a redirect though.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) Redundant to  IMO. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss

Add
I am sure we can come up with good puns, but it is a vital concept at V5 either way. Well, I possibly. Just 4 interwikis. Discuss? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  02:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) I think this is too vague, unfortunately, and that reflects in the lwo interwikis.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 05:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Per Starship. The same can be said about Importance. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Per Starship. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Ironically, vitality is not vital. It is also not about vitality as our project uses the word. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Discuss

Remove
No assertion of lasting impact or top importance in field (drama) czar  18:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1)  czar  18:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) 14 interwikis but no claim of significance in the article; it's notable but vital? Why? The article does not suggest it is more than just an average drama, comprable to thousands of others that got some minor acclaim. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per nom.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 13:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Not vital Gizza  (talk) 23:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) λ  Negative  MP1  01:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss
 * 1) not particularly familiar with this work so will abstain from voting but it appears to be High-Importance over at Wikiproject Theater. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * With no justification in either language Wikipedia's article so I don't read that as accurate czar  06:10, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Remove
An Internet infrastructure operator. It's not insignificant, but I can't say I would put it on a list of the world's top ~250 most important companies. There are many other companies which are just as or more important to the supply chain of their industry which we don't list.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:23, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 16:18, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) Basically invented content delivery networks. Without this, we wouldn't be able to do anything that we take for granted on the Internet today: everything from loading a news page with many high-res images to watching HD movies on Netflix with minimal latency. Aurangzebra (talk) 03:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss

Remove
Stephen King's memoirs. Far from his best-known work.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per above.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 14:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) λ  Negative  MP1  04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 22:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Remove and
Legal system of smallish countries. Not many distinctive elements about them. Low pageviews and interwikis as well.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per above.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 14:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Makkool (talk) 16:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Not really worth listing. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 01:27, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) λ  Negative  MP1  04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add

 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Great catch by !  starship .paint  (RUN) 05:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Place under Banking and financing


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Important concept in business.  starship .paint  (RUN) 01:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add to Interpersonal relations
A prevalent type of action that is here to stay.


 * Support
 * 1) as nom.  starship .paint  (RUN) 11:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) At first I thought this referred to cheating in relationships, but that article is entitled . In any case, this is an easy support. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Per feminist. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 00:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
A very common practice.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 09:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Remove, and
Viewership and general interest in beauty pageants have decreased dramatically in recent years, and we currently list five specific ones as vital (the others being and ). I note we have very few participants as Vital people: and.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) feminist🩸 (talk) 02:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per nom.  starship .paint  (RUN) 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Mixed
 * 1) Oppose Miss America due to the fact it was arguably the inspiration for the others. Support the other two per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Per Presidentman.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Per presidentman.  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 20:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Per Presidentman. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add and
Two of the most important concepts in. The former is often exchangeable with the "Big Four" fashion capital events.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Support Fashion week. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Support fashion week; I've already supported Haute couture above. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose

I've nominated Haute couture above. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Discuss

Add and
Culturally significant, worldwide.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) -- Laukku  TheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per nom.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 14:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:56, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 6)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 02:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 7) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
It is strange that we list at V4 when it is more of a theoretical concept and teaching tool than something that reasonably describes markets. The general concept is more realistic and it is commonplace in capitalist economies.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per above.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 12:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Makkool (talk) 18:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
It's a bit self-evident but no less important. We incur costs all the time, most inescapably in.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) feminist🩸 (talk) 04:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Per nominator.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 18:30, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
This concept underpins a lot of neoclassical microeconomics and its philosophical foundations, particularly the idea of utility maximization as the motivation of economic agents.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) How do we not have this Aurangzebra (talk) 01:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) feminist🩸 (talk) 04:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Per nominator.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 18:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Although this overlaps some with, it’s a continuing area of study with applications in policy analysis, economic distribution, international relations, etc.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) The predecessor of economics.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 10:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Another major concept. A framework for understanding how markets operate, how prices are determined, how agents make decisions, and how resources are allocated.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Per nominator.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per above.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 12:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Makkool (talk) 18:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
These are the workhorses in most of the profession. Paraphrasing Paul Krugman, economics can be considered a collection of models. We already list several, most notably.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Per nominator.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per above.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 12:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Makkool (talk) 18:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

(not OP) Add
Often considered the ultimate objective of economics.  The Blue  Rider   09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Always struck me as a very memorable concept (still remember it from my student days). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:36, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Makkool (talk) 18:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Why is this not listed? Maybe place this under in Social studies


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) How is this not listed?  starship  .paint  (RUN) 15:01, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:41, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Yes.  J  947  ‡ edits 09:21, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) I ask questions every day. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:17, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) I question why this isn't listed.  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 22:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 7) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Place under Politics and government maybe?


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:42, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:20, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per nom.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 14:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Major Buddhist holiday that's not yet listed.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) The most important festival in a religion with over 500 million adherents. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Major omission.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 01:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) -- Laukku  TheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Very popular video game genre. An odd omission, considering that is listed.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Very popular game genre, and there are plenty of individual game removals below that can make room for this to be included. Oppose swap, as turn-based strategy is even more important. Do you think you could support this now that plenty of other game topics are being removed in other sections? QuicoleJR (talk) 15:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) If you all think this is very important, I trust. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Would support a swap with but not an outright addition. I definitely think we have way too many video game related articles so unless an exclusion is egregious, I'm apt to oppose. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose
 * Turn-based strategy was added last December, so only four months ago. Makkool (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss

Add
This seems like a glaring omission from the history of film, especially if the is included. A revolutionary film movement of experimentation in style, editing, and political/philosophical substance that rejected traditional filmmaking. Countless filmmakers and films related with the French New Wave are considered vital, including, , and. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 04:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support
 * 1) As nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom. Makkool (talk) 08:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 3)  pbp  21:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Especially since  is also listed Iostn (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Notable omission Aurangzebra (talk) 01:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 6)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 12:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 7) Commonly covered in film history.-- Laukku  TheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 8) λ  Negative  MP1  18:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discuss
 * 1) I presume this proposal was meant for the Society section so I will move it there. Aurangzebra (talk) 22:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I disagree, it belongs more in history. The French New Wave isn't a specific genre or style, it was a movement that lasted from the late 50s to late 60s. and  for example were also movements in film history in the history section of VA articles. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 03:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah my apologies. For some reason, I thought the other movements were under the Film section but I completely misread. Moving it back. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Add
Pretty important alongside grocery store. Interstellarity (talk) 21:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support
 * 1) Interstellarity (talk) 21:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) λ  Negative  MP1  04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) definitely, per nom. starship.paint 14:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Not quite as important as a grocery store but still vital. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discussion

Add
Should be added alongside Shopping. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support
 * 1) Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Support <b style="color:yellowgreen;background:darkgreen;font-family:georgia;"> Carl</b><b style="color:darkgreen;background:yellowgreen;font-family:georgia;">wev </b> 22:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Pretty important. Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) λ  Negative  MP1  04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 22:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discussion

Add and
These two are more important to video games than basically every other video game development studio/publisher listed right now minus (not counting  due to their other ventures). Namco created several video games we already consider vital (namely and ), which were some of the most important and remembered games in s, as well as to the industry as a whole. I'd even opt getting rid of in exchange for listing Namco, but this isn't a swap proposal.

Meanwhile, was the main competitor with Nintendo for a while and created, as well its titular character , arguably the third most iconic video game character behind Mario (and maybe Pac-Man). Both companies will undoubtably be relevant to video games for as long as the industry exists, just like Nintendo. Listing and  but not these seems like a massive oversight. λ Negative  MP1  19:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. λ Negative  MP1  19:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Support both, feel stronger case for Sega though. Don't we already list things like the genesis and Sonic character and series. Company is more important than those. <b style="color:yellowgreen;background:darkgreen;font-family:georgia;"> Carl</b><b style="color:darkgreen;background:yellowgreen;font-family:georgia;">wev </b> 22:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Support Sega-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Support both Iostn (talk) 13:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Support Sega, weak support Namco. Am certain that  is in the top three video game characters of all time and that  should be removed.  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 19:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think that, if we have as many superhero and animation characters listed as we do, we can give room for characters like Miku to be considered vital since her recognition spans beyond video games. You can't say that about many other video game characters. λ Negative  MP1  17:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I would agree. Most video game characters don't have real-world concerts that attract thousands of fans from across the world. There are other characters we can remove first. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I personally think that the video game characters we list right now are basically the perfect five for vitality. Four pop culture icons, and one that was highly influential to the industry ( .) I don't know who we could remove, or who we could add. λ Negative  MP1  20:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) Support both per nom. Very important gaming companies. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
is VA3, and this form is very culturally important across East Asia, and has been for centuries. 28 interwikis is a good amount, and this article is rated Top-Importance by WikiProject China and WikiProject Religion and High-Importance by WikiProject Japan and WikiProject Korea.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Calligraphy only has one subtopic, here's a second.  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 14:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Surprising omission in my opinion. starship.paint 14:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) A V3 topic should definitely have more subtopics. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discuss
 * Just a note that I've proposed to downgrade to V4. starship.paint 14:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Even if that passes, we should still have this on the list. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Obviously I agree. starship.paint 03:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Add to Accounting
Key accounting concept. 76 interwikis. starship.paint 02:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) as nom. starship.paint 02:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) definitely Aurangzebra (talk) 05:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Support, although I'm not sure if we have the budget for this. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
An important subtopic of Teaching, which is proposed above.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:20, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
A practice which has led to major implications, such as the policies of the Nazi Party.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Similar to the topics I proposed a while ago that do not seem to be passing; all affected millions negatively. Sadly vital. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:48, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Support --Thi (talk) 10:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
This is probably somewhat weaker than or  above, but should still be appropriate for V5.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:10, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) starship.paint 15:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Should be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Aaargh. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  02:49, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) \(°〇°)/  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 22:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Some overlap with but at V5 it should be listed.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:21, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) A joyful idea indeed. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Place under Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Social_studies
 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) 52 interwikis. starship.paint 01:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
A genre of Chinese fiction that has existed for centuries, has cross-cultural appeal, and has been adapted to virtually every medium.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) With (rightly) at V4, the genre of his works should be listed. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per above. Good balance for systemic bias. starship.paint 11:58, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Swap: Remove, add
I'll quote : Taipei People: 37th least viewed VA5/Arts article according to the bottom 10% list I've posted earlier. ~12 daily pageviews, 1 interwiki. Although praised in the Receptions section, I think in this case the obscurity outweighs the acclaim (and the high opinions are cited only to two people anyway). Moreover, we already list some other Chinese 20th century fiction such as,, and , all of which get more pageviews.

Per the article, The True Story of Ah Q is generally held to be a masterpiece of modern Chinese literature, since it is considered the first piece of work to fully utilize vernacular Chinese after the 1919 May 4th Movement in China.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 12:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) This swap I can support --Makkool (talk) 13:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per nom. starship.paint 14:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) At least it's an improvement.-- Laukku  TheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 16:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) makes sense Aurangzebra (talk) 01:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 6)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 02:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Remove and
Niche concepts in constitutional law. Zero interwikis.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 04:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Per nom. Makkool (talk) 11:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per nom. starship.paint 01:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add to Vital Sino-Tibetan languages
We list the language, but not the wider Hokkien language, which is also spoken by millions in China, Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines, and hundreds of thousands in Indonesia and Cambodia. 25 interwikis.


 * Support
 * 1) as nominator (and OK with swap). starship.paint 14:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Support as a straight addition currently but if space needs to be made, Taiwanese Hokkien can be swapped out. Gizza  (talk) 04:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Support only swap. We already list 16 varieties of Chinese. One possibility could be Huizhou Chinese which only has 5,4 million speakers, compared to 27,7 million Hokkien speakers in total. I wouldn't swap Taiwanese Hokkien with much more speakers. --Makkool (talk) 12:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Swap with Taiwanese Hokkien. How did that even happen? SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:15, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Support only swap with Taiwanese Hokkien.  EleniXDD  ※  Talk  08:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose
 * Discuss

Add Purple Rain (album)
I know we already have Sign o’ the Times on here, but this is Prince’s best selling album. It’s Prince’s first album to reach number one on the Billboard 200. It’s believed to have sold 25 million copies worldwide. It inspired the Parental Advisory sticker. And all nine of its tracks (including “When Doves Cry”, “Let’s Go Crazy”, and its title track) have their own article. SailorGardevoir (talk) 10:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. SailorGardevoir (talk) 10:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Support --Makkool (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 02:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add

 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:21, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:36, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Important for all. starship.paint 15:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Major component for welfare states.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 13:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) Wish mine was better ◔_◔  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 22:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 7) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss
 * - where should it be listed?  starship .paint  (RUN) 08:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Vital articles/Level/5/Biology and health sciences/Health if seeing this as more of a general health concept, or Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Social studies if seeing this as more of a psychology concept. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Add
A genre of fiction written by women for women featuring same-sex relationships dating back to the 1970s. 1485 daily views last year, 44 interwikis.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) -- EleniXDD ※  Talk  06:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss
 * 1) Should we also nominate its counterpart, Yuri (genre)?  Vileplume  ( talk ) 01:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Good catch. I'll support it if nominated. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:44, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Swap with Master of Puppets (and maybe Enter Sandman)
It might be a little hypocritical to advocate this while also pushing for the inclusion of Prince’s Purple Rain album, but while I think that album is just as vital as Sign o’ the Times, I don’t feel the same way regarding Metallica’s self-titled album. Yes, it made Metallica one of the biggest bands on the planet, but Master of Puppets is not only held to be their greatest album, it’s also held to be one of the greatest metal albums of all time, especially in the realm of extreme metal. Maybe we can also add “Enter Sandman” as a compromise?


 * Support
 * 1) Support swap with Master of Puppets only. SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Support swap, and addition of "Enter Sandman". Easily Metallica's most vital album (and Enter Sandman is a good replacement for the removed Black Album) --Makkool (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Support addition --Thi (talk) 10:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) Not really convinced Master of Puppets is more vital than the Black Album as a cultural landmark. Iostn (talk) 23:24, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss

Title removals
Considering that and  are only VA5, some of these more obscure titles should not be listed. I have nominated a few below, and nominated in a separate section above.

Remove
Only ever used by Luxembourg and some old European city-states that have since become part of larger countries.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Iostn (talk) 18:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per nom. starship.paint 01:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discuss

Remove
It was only ever used by the Habsburgs of Austria.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) --Thi (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per nom. starship.paint 01:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discuss

Remove
Outside of its use by Genghis Khan and the other rulers of the Mongol Empire, this has never really been a very important title. The first sentence even explicitly says that the term is like, and I don't think anyone will argue that it is at the same level of importance.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) --Thi (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per nom. starship.paint 01:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discuss

Remove
Not really significant in any way.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) --Thi (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per nom. starship.paint 01:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) sort of just an honorific.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discuss

Remove
The title for a provincial ruler in a few ancient empires. Not seeing the significance.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) --Thi (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per nom. starship.paint 01:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discuss

Remove
Another word for king, used by the Iranians and a few other related societies. It literally translates to king.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) --Thi (talk) 14:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per nom. starship.paint 01:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discuss

Add Paramount Pictures
One of the major movie studios.


 * Support
 * 1) SailorGardevoir (talk) 19:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Per discussion a few threads above, likely a V5 topic. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nom.--<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:49, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) feminist🩸 (talk) 06:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss
 * - where should it be placed?  starship .paint  (RUN) 08:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * - anyone has an idea? ^  starship .paint  (RUN) 14:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Somewhere under Social sciences, but not sure where specifically. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Add
Place under Business: General at Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics
 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:16, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Very important. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add recent culture wars concepts
Alreedy at V5:. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * The main concept, which takes a more timeless approach, might be best added first. On the other hand it has some overlap with the already-listed . Nonetheless, |Culture_war Culture war gets more pageviews... -- Laukku  TheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. feminist🚰 (talk) 12:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Add
40 interwikis; ~1.5k daily views. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) is already at VA5. "Cancel culture" is merely a new term for that. I'm not convinced this will stay relevant in 5-10 years time. feminist🚰 (talk) 06:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose --Thi (talk) 10:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per above. starship.paint 01:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I would support adding which is the more general phenomenon. Gizza (talk) 11:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Discuss

Add
33 interwikis; over 5k(!) daily views. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) Too recent and it's more a dictionary term than a concept. By 2020, many on the political right and some in the center in several Western countries began using the term sarcastically as a pejorative for various leftist and progressive movements and ideologies. In turn, some commentators came to consider woke an offensive term that disparages persons who promote progressive ideas involving identity and race. I'm not convinced it will stay popular in 5-10 years, especially if it continues to take on a more pejorative meaning. feminist🚰 (talk) 06:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose per above. --Thi (talk) 10:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Recent and seems vague. starship.paint 01:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss

Add
Just 6 interwikis, ~50 dailys. I guess it will not make the cut, to my surprise. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose

has 26 interwikis. Maybe that would be a better listing? feminist🚰 (talk) 06:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Discuss

Add
25 interwikis, ~300 dailies. Borderline vital? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) As with "woke" – this is recent (albeit maybe a bit less so) and more a dictionary term than a concept. I'd argue that usage of "SJW" has already been on a decline since around 2015. We don't even list, which is at least (or had been) a significant political movement in the US rather than just a phrase. I'm not convinced Alt-right should be listed either, but SJW is less significant than that. feminist🚰 (talk) 06:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose Just a recent pejorative. --Thi (talk) 10:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per above. starship.paint 01:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss

Add Superstition (song)
Stevie Wonder’s signature song. We can probably have more funk music than just Sign o’ the Times.


 * Support
 * 1) SailorGardevoir (talk) 19:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Support --Makkool (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * 1) Weak oppose though I can be swayed if we clean up the entire list. Not sure we really need a second funk representative especially since Stevie Wonder is already represented by  and though Superstition is a great and well-known track, I don't think it has anything extremely notable about it either on chart performance, RIAA-type certifications, or lasting cultural legacy. That being said, I think we need to rehaul our modern songs list because I think I would add Superstition over . Both are well-known songs with catchy tunes that a lot of people recognize but I think at this point, Superstition has a more lasting cultural impact. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per Aurangzebra.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 13:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss

Add At Folsom Prison (potential swap with )
Not only does the country section not have any albums, none of the albums that are listed are live albums. If pushed, we can swapped this out with “I Walk the Line”, although personally I think Johnny Cash can have more than one work on here.


 * Add only
 * 1) SailorGardevoir (talk) 21:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Support adding At Folsom Prison per nom. --Makkool (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Swap


 * Oppose
 * 1) per below, Take Me Home, Country Roads is a better option.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 13:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss
 * 1) Neutral but lean oppose for two reasons. First, Johnny Cash's brand of country and folk is fairly unique to the United States and doesn't have the global notability of the other music we include on this list. I think that's also why it makes sense that country currently has zero albums. Though it's definitely changing with the melding between country and pop, country has typically had negligible appeal outside the states. Second, we have other country candidates across both songs/albums that should be considered before we consider a second Johnny Cash work. Off the top of my head, I'd rather include Take Me Home, Country Roads by John Denver which has more interwikis/greater sales outside the United States/more recognizability within the US than either At Folsom Prison or I Walk the Line. I'd also rather include one of Taylor Swift's early country albums which all have 40+ interwikis and global reach (I think at this point, it's clear that her fame and impact have surpassed recentism bias). Aurangzebra (talk) 22:09, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would definitely support including Country Roads. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:33, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Add
3,034 daily views last year, #4 on Love sidebar.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:36, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
Place under Vital articles/Level/5/Arts? I think the general concept of an artwork is vital at this level.
 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:16, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) --Thi (talk) 13:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per above.  starship  .paint  (RUN) 13:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add independent record label
The namesake for.


 * Support
 * 1) SailorGardevoir (talk) 19:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Weak support since most artists begin their carrers through it.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 20:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose
 * 1) Between and, I'm not seeing the need to list their intersection especially since both are only V5. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:07, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per feminist. starship.paint 14:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Discuss

Add
A major thing in different disciplines.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom. starship.paint 08:31, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) nom Aurangzebra (talk) 08:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 21:28, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) ERROR: unable to load support message QuicoleJR (talk) 23:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) p er no m  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 20:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose

Place this under Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Basics and measurement. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Discuss

Add
Everyone feels, and they experience feelings differently. An important topic in psychology.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Although there is some overlap with .-- Laukku  TheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) I feel this is much more vital than qualia. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 6)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 04:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add
An important political position which wields influence on the creation of laws. Known by various names worldwide.


 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:42, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom. starship.paint 14:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:59, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Add Voting
Notable omission. Interstellarity (talk) 23:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support
 * 1) Interstellarity (talk) 23:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) I vote to include this Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per nom. starship.paint 13:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) feminist🩸 (talk) 15:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) Pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) Consider V4 as well. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 22:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 7)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 8) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 9) per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Neutral


 * Discussion

Remove, Add
The CW is considered one of the major five TV networks in the United States, USA isn't.
 * Support
 * 1) As nominator. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom. USA Network was never a particularly major player in television and we already list their much more notable parent, . Aurangzebra (talk) 02:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) per nom and Aurangzebra. 49p (talk) 14:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per nom. λ  Negative  MP1  06:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Could you elaborate further on your problem with the change? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have zero idea how I put this in oppose and not support. Moving oppose down so my vote goes towards support, I have no problem with the change. λ Negative  MP1  07:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Discuss
 * Should have probably mentioned this in the nom, The CW gets 2200~ page views a day while USA gets around 1400~ views a day. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Remove
6 interwikis only. Russian award show. Compare with which has 22 interwikis. 15:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support
 * 1) as nom. starship.paint 15:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 2)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 22:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Makkool (talk) 08:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) I have a feeling that Russian topics are overrepresented on the list. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Bottom 10% VA5/Society and social sciences articles by pageviews
Least viewed articles first, using pageviews from 2020-01-01 to 2024-02-07:

These were assembled with the same principles as LaukkuTheGreit's bottom 10% Technology and Arts article lists. --Makkool (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Remove lowly-viewed linguistics articles

 * (in increasing order of views)


 * 1) Graphetics - branch of linguistics concerned with the analysis of the physical properties of shapes used in writing. A stub with only 2 interwikis.
 * 2) Final clause - a type of clause in a sentence. The article mentions that its very rare in English (and doesn't mention its role in other languages)
 * 3) Quantitative linguistics - branch of linguistics that deals with language learning, language change, and application as well as structure of natural languages. Has more interwikis than the others, but still feels too niche topic to be considered vital
 * 4) Graphemics - linguistic study of writing systems and their basic components, i.e. graphemes. Another niche branch of research.
 * 5) Transphonologization - a type of sound change. 1 interwiki.
 * 6) Sequential bilingualism - when a person becomes bilingual by first learning one language and then another. 0 interwikis.
 * 7) Syntactic change - a type of change in languages. 1 interwiki.
 * 8) Cacography - another name for bad spelling or bad handwriting. Doesn't seem vital.
 * 9) Crib talk - a thing small children learning to speak do. A cute detail, but doesn't really fit V5.
 * 10) Contrastive linguistics - seeks to describe the differences and similarities between a pair of languages. Another small branch of linguistics.
 * 11) Dissimilation - another type of sound change. This one also has more interwikis than the others, but still seems too niche.
 * 12) Fortition - a less common type of sound change.
 * 13) Cluttering - a type of speech disorder. Speech disorder itself is V5, so a specific disorder should really demonstrate its vitality in the article.
 * 14) Cyrillization - changing text into the Cyrillic alphabet from another writing system. Another very narrow topic.

Most of these were added by me a long time ago, following SethAllen623's vital articles list. So I'm trying to clean after myself, sort of. How do you feel for their place in the list?


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. --Makkool (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) This is a very good method, I would probably remove almost all other entries on the list. Support per nominator.  The  Blue  Rider  Postal horn icon.svg 20:16, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Support all. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 10:47, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) Nice work, remove all Aurangzebra (talk) 05:22, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 5) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 6) Support-- Laukku  TheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Mixed


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Remove (or swap) lowly-viewed language articles

 * 1) French Sign Language family - low views and 8 interwikis. Could be swapped with French Sign Language.
 * 2) BANZSL (British, Australian and New Zealand Sign Language) - low views and short in length. British Sign Language has its own article, which would be a much better match as vital.
 * 3) Suzhou dialect - a dialect of Chinese, seems less vital than the other Chinese variants that are listed.
 * 4) Huizhou Chinese - another dialect of Chinese. Only 5 million speakers in China and the article doesn't show how it could be considered vital.
 * 5) Madurese language - 4th most spoken language in Indonesia. We list the 3 largest languages and this one doesn't seem remarkable in some way to be considered vital.
 * 6) Sukuma language - we list many Bantu languages and this article doesn't show its vitality as well.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. --Makkool (talk) 20:12, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) Swap first two with French Sign Language and British Sign Language respectively, support remove Suzhou dialect. Neutral on the rest for reasons below. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) per nom. starship.paint 00:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Mixed
 * 1) The 3 languages you mention here all have a lot more native speakers than some of the other languages we currently list e.g., , , , the list goes on and on. Maybe some of these other languages have some unique linguistic properties or regional importance which is why they are included here but I don't think it's fair to remove these languages with 5-8 million speakers when there are so many languages we include with 1 million speakers or less. The languages section probably needs a more concerted overhaul. Aurangzebra (talk) 05:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) The languages you mention have an official or some other legal status in their respective countries or country subdivisions, which has been the grounds for being included. A lot of the specific languages listing has been my work, and I looked less on speaker numbers or linguistic details (I studied some linguistics in university, but don't have enough knowledge to rely on that). Your suggestion for an in-depth examination sounds great, and I would really like to see more people's views expressed in this section, as it's a subject I find interesting. --Makkool (talk) 08:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yea that's fair. I would be fine with removing these at the end of the day but I just want some consistent framework we can apply. For example, we don't list Kabyle language/Tamazight even though it is one of the two official languages of and has 4 million speakers (maybe it's because we list the parent ? But if that's the case, we also list both Sardinian and its parent  and other smaller languages and their parents). Aurangzebra (talk) 09:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Discuss

Remove lowly-viewed psychology articles

 * 1) Systems psychology - A branch of psychology that seems niche. Rated mid-importance in Wikiproject Psychology.
 * 2) Clinical neuroscience - Rated top-importance, but low views. Should probably be moved to Biology and health sciences section rather that Psychology.
 * 3) Child psychopathology - Rated top-importance, but low views. Could be an outlier. itself is V5 (and rated just high-importance).
 * 4) Gratification - Rated mid-importance. There's other emotions that I would remove before this, but let's start with this one (because of low views).
 * 5) Behavioral contagion - Rated mid-importance. The umbrella topic is just V5 as well.


 * Support
 * 1) As nom. --Makkool (talk) 17:34, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2) They all have low interwikis as well. Can move Clinical neuroscience to Health. starship.paint 12:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) Move Clinical neuroscience to Health; remove the rest. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 4)  Vileplume  🍋‍🟩 ( talk ) 12:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose


 * Mixed


 * Discuss