Wikipedia talk:Why is BFDI not on Wikipedia?

I think i found a source (the a.v club)
I knew about this source for a while, but didn’t post it because it was a bit too light in information, but as i was scrolling through this list and found out that The a.v club was listed as a source

there are two sources i found, one on BFDI and another on BFB

(there are others but these are the main ones)

i don’t think it has to be on this list to be a source, but i think it’s important to talk about. Led lore (talk) 19:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I've encountered one of those pages before, but although The A.V. Club is considered generally reliable on that list, these pages are "Powered by IMDb", a user-generated source. And yes, I agree that it doesn't have enough information to be significant coverage, and even if it was reliable, directory/database-like listings generally don't contribute to notability per Notability. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 20:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well a.v is listed as a reliable source, I understand that its inconclusive, but that means a.v club would be non reliable, as on all of the films it says “powered by imdb”
 * maybe the admins would understand Led lore (talk) 21:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It is important to note it says "generally" reliable. It depends on context. I think by saying that The A.V. Club is reliable, it is referring to news and reviews written by staff, like this one I picked randomly. It doesn't say "Powered by IMDb", since it is a completely different format as these BFDI listings. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 22:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh alright, then Led lore (talk) 22:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But sorry for constantly posting but, technically, could This site be a source?, i mean its independent, it seems to not be paid for, the author is listed blakout74 and the topic is substantial.
 * technically its a wordpress website, but, its not exactly.
 * wordpress is a website hoster, and they do not have control of their websites on it or on blakout74’s review.
 * so it’s different from a reddit post or a youtube post, its independent.
 * im just not so sure about reliability Led lore (talk) 22:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Unlike reliable news websites, Wordpress sites are usually self-published sources, anyone can make a Wordpress blog. For it to be reliable, blakout74 should be a subject matter expert, that is, a person whose other works about films/series have been published by independent publications with a reputation for fact-checking, like The A.V. Club. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 06:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Does this apply to This one too? i mean it seems like it is reliable, as bfdi is not the only series, and it seems (at a glance) to not be wirten by ai Led lore (talk) 19:37, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Usually, in order to check whether a self-published source is reliable, I google the author's name to check for reputable websites in which they have published their work. I often encounter a LinkedIn profile, which can be helpful, though I try to verify whether the profile's previous work is true. For Beryl Parkey, I couldn't find much other than this listicle on MovieWeb. I am not sure about the reliability of that website, but even if it is, publishing a single article is very likely not enough for subject-matter expertise as Wikipedia defines it. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 09:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, but what about this one?, it hasn’t got any writers credit, and seems to be partially written by one of the creators (micheal huang), so straight out the gate its unreliable Led lore (talk) 12:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait there’s more https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/battle-for-dream-island-an-animated-series-making-waves-in-india/ar-AA1nIAW2?ocid=BingNewsSearch Elmogosogo09 (talk) 23:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's a republishing of the Hindustan Times source already discussed. It's just paid news, not independent. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 23:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Elmogosogo09 i think what you did was type in battle for dream island into the search bar, then pressed news, (seems you use edge lol), but for more accuracy type in bfdi and put in the seasons full hand, because when someone would be reviewing bfdi, they would review it season to season. Led lore (talk) 00:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Has anyone found/been looking for, sources for a bfdi page creation?, it needs to have full independence (not paid, or official), it needs to be from a source that is known for fact checking and is reputable (clear authenticity and truth), and has significant coverage for the pages on wikipedia to have full references from articles (so the source talks about bfdi alot)
 * this all goes towards wp:gng (general notability guideline) so that the sources are legitimate then Battle for dream island could be requested for a page for the admins (it is salted/only for admins to create, since it has been created without any sources so many times) Led lore (talk) 23:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Umm https://www.8newsnow.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/707844321/jacknjellify-celebrates-over-16-years-of-animation-excellence-and-online-influence/ Elmogosogo09 (talk) 01:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Press release, doesn't count. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 09:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Create page for Cary Huang
I'm a BFDI fan, I 100% agree with the main article. But one of the things i dissagree on is that Cary Hunag should not get his own article.
 * Cary Huang should get an article as he has been brang up by multiple sources and some famous figures as NASA and Kurgezagt for his Scale of The Universe and the asteroid named for him.

Snipertron12  Talk  19:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Are there any reliable independent sources talking about his career? ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 20:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ABC
 * "Itsnicethat"
 * "Singuarity Hub"
 * "MichiganPublic"
 * "The Planetary Society"
 * "MIC"
 * "Patch"
 * Theres also the first reliable source for BFDI which can allow us to cite that Cary made BFDI.
 * Snipertron12  Talk  06:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * These seem to focus on the application instead of the creators. If there was a Cary Huang article, the only significant pieces of information that could be extracted from those sources would be that he created it along his twin brother Michael for a year and a half and released when he was 14, and that he comes from Moraga, California. It doesn't look like significant coverage of creators Cary or Michael (as opposed to the application itself), and he may fail Notability (people). They place the twins in the context of the application, which is what the article about The Scale of the Universe is doing. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 06:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Can a BFDI source even exist?
To review BFDI, the news/review company has to watch the show, but that is likely to introduce bias (BFDI is popular, after all, so remaining bored and disinterested is a pointlessly difficult task,) therefore making such a source near impossible to be reliable. Therefore such a source is unlikely to exist unless BFDI is forgotten, but as it seems to be quite the contrary (BFDI is gaining views at an exponentially increasing rate), an article is almost impossible to exist until the year 2500 at best (it usually takes centuries for popularity to die out). Moreover, reliable sources are slowly becoming more difficult to obtain, so an article on BFDI is unlikely to exist until the year 3000, and if there aren’t any reliable sources by 3500 it will become truly impossible. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. 121.200.5.211 (talk) 03:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Independent sources does not mean unbiased. Independent means that the subject is unaffiliated from the source. Reviewers doesn't have to be "bored and disinterested". in fact, if they are writing a review about it, it shows that they like or do not like it enough to write an article about it. Ca talk to me!  06:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Additionally, many review companies have strict guidelines for what can and can’t be reviewed, but if a review can exist, one most likely would have existed several months ago. Few significant events related to BFDI have occurred within the last few months. 121.200.5.211 (talk) 01:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Honestly in my opinion, there probably is one. The fact is that most of bfdi’s seasons are overlapped. For instance bfdi is a term used by the Federal Commissioner for Data Protection and Freedom of Information, and searching up stuff like “bfdi review” for example, will likely give you a source from it.
 * there are hundreds and thousands of millions of pages on the internet, most of it is obscure because it is either old or non findable.
 * Considering this. Most of the pages that talk about it are probably deleted or on Archive.org.
 * but even when considering this. Searching for bfdi at this point is almost impossible. Even if it exists it’s probably buried under unrelated websites like fandom or imbd to a point where it is non existence. Led lore (talk) 20:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * So yes. It can exist. Its not purposefully impossible to make one, one just doesn’t exist. (This is a bit biased) but the new seasons which are tpot or bfdia(b) have tv show levels of quality, so it would be less likely to be disliked by a news source.
 * if it does exist. Likely it would be something like Tadc’s situation. Where it gets so popular that many news sources comment on it
 * Though, the main reason that bfdi doesn’t get a news article. Is because it’s not in high demand. Most people are fine with having no wikipedia page (because of sites like Fandom (website)) Led lore (talk) 20:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Asking news outlets to comment on bfdi is a good way too get a review on it.. but it should not be overdone.
 * if you want a news article.. please don’t ever spam it, it may seem infuriating if there’s no response but posting it over and over again is not a good thing to do. Led lore (talk) 20:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources found mabye
I think I might have found sources? Are they any good for a potential article?

1. https://www.businesstoday.in/impact-feature/story/diving-into-sound-with-daniel-booth-an-unparalleled-audio-engineer-in-the-animation-industry-434365-2024-06-22

2. https://everout.com/seattle/events/bfdi-inanimate-insanity-2024-tour/e176023/

3. https://www.miamitimesonline.com/local-events/?_evDiscoveryPath=/event/34288885t-bfdi-x-inanimate-insanity-2024-tour

Could these be potential sources for an article? Objectsshowsarethebest (talk) 20:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * 1. Seeing that Business Today India once republished a paid news article about BFDI without a disclaimer (previous discussion), and that this article has a highly promotional tone, I suspect that it is paid news too.
 * 2. It says "The following description comes from the event organizer", so it may not be independent. It doesn't cover much about what BFDI is either (no significant coverage).
 * 3. I don't know. I can't access it ("451: Unavailable due to legal reasons"). Neither the Wayback Machine nor archive.today show it. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 15:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh? That's a bummer! Also I'm not sure why number 3 isn't working it works for me its about the BFDI x II Objectsshowsarethebest (talk) 18:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It's one of the top results in news for the search "Bfdi". Mabye your local goverment blocked it or something, so that's it I'll try to find more reliable sources in the future! Objectsshowsarethebest (talk) 18:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Proposed removal of section(s)
I think having an entire section dedicated to "Plagiarism and copyright violation" is out of place on the grounds that such an act is simply not very common even with a handful of users uploading copyrighted images or copying text from BFDI Fandom. Copyright violation, along with draft expiration (CSD G13, such as ), is not one of the major reasons for deleting BFDI articles, unlike notability and what Wikipedia is not. AlphaBeta135 talk  20:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Weren't you the one who added it in the first place? To be honest, a lot of them don't take Wikipedia'a guidelines seriously, so I'd personally keep it. 118.148.76.104 (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)