Wikipedia talk:Why was the page I created deleted?/Archive 1

csd r1
what does this mean if I find it at the point for the reason for deleting an article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sol777 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Draft articles
"first contact the administrator responsible via the method explained above." This line refers to a method that doesn't exist above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.90.102.67 (talk) 08:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be valuable to put something about how drafting articles first can avoid them being deleted, but I'm really not sure where to put it. I'm also not sure if that would be appropriate for this page, but it seems relevant, at least in my scatterbrain. XD Perhaps something like this:
 * Often, editors create a very basic frame for an unfinished article, which in the mean time is deleted for lack of content or context. This is an unfortunate mistake, but the administrator deleting the article can hardly know that it's still a work in progress when there is nothing of any value in the article.  In this case, it would be a great idea to draft your article on a subpage of your main user page until it has enough content to be considered a stub.

Or something like that. XD — K e  akealani  06:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't that advice be more suitable for putting in Your first article instead of this page? Putting it on both pages might also be an option. Kavadi carrier 07:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm, I hadn't thought of that...that could work. It's probably already on there, in fact.  I shall definitely consider editing that in, but I'll wait until I'm a bit more awake later XD Thanks for the input! — K  e  akealani  09:23, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that linking YFA from here might be a good idea -- thoughts? Luna Santin 23:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you should put it as a sub-page, copy it on NotePad, or put it in the sandbox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simulation12 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sarcasm can be wonderful sometimes. —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93; ‹(-¿-)› 14:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion without rationale being given
What does it mean if a page was deleted without an edit summary? --69.179.174.32 01:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean without a reason given in the deletion log? This should not happen; you can ask the deleting admin about it. Sandstein 05:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Desmodromic valve
I submitted a crefully and conservatively written technical description of why desmodromic valve drive is not used and is no longer the holy grail of high speed engines other than the Ducati motorcycle. A desmodromic faithful has threatened to delete that article although it is the only one that addresses the technical subject with explanations of the technique.

I would feel that Wiki is not doing what it is supposed to do if that sort of threat hangs over thoughtfully written reports.

jobstbrandt


 * Please follow the instructions on Why was my page deleted? to find out why your page was deleted and what you can do about it. If your article was original research, then Wikipedia just isn't the place for it, sorry. Sandstein 06:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, the Desmodromic valve article is still around. I think jobst refers to his additions to the article which got deleted. User talk:Jobstbrandt is an interesting case study in what happens when someone with significant domain knowledge comes to Wikipedia and makes some fairly large-scale additions without first learning Wikipedia's complex rules. Adding an inappropriate comment to this talk page is part of the etiology. --Teratornis 01:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

No adding an inappropriate comment to this talk page is an indication. How could adding an inappropriate comment to this page cause someone to not learn about wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.29.234.88 (talk) 01:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You are correct, I muddied the causal relationships. I should have said "Overriding faith in one's abilities despite entering a completely unfamiliar domain as manifested by adding an inappropriate comment to this talk page is part of the etiology." However, I might raise a hair-splitting defense of my original statement by including Wikipedia's ergonomic design in "adding an inappropriate comment." By giving new users such wide latitude to do almost anything before so much as cracking a friendly manual, I think Wikipedia encourages the kind of faith-based thinking that leads so many new users to shortly thereafter ask, "Why was my page deleted?" Wikipedia's overly encouraging user interface which makes it so easy to unwittingly do inappropriate things is part of the etiology. I wouldn't place the fault entirely with the incautious user, particularly when Wikipedia itself urges newcomers both implicitly and explicitly to be bold. --Teratornis (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Protected titles
RKSP is a political, non-profit making and secular organization. The motto of RKSP is to facilitate the process of development of the villages and the villagers and was founded by Mr. Gopal Rai, who is social worker by birth. This motto has been the guiding principle to evolve and plan activities that will lubricate the process of sustainable development in the villages. It has always concentrated on need based development, with a view to meet the basic needs of the villages and the villagers. It will not be besides the point to say that development initiatives go on unabated silently without any kind of publicity.

RKSP commenced its social development initiatives in Rural and Urban Areas in Uttar Pradesh in the year 2003 and got registered with Election Commission of India in 2003. The humble beginning that took off in the year 2005, is still quite vibrant and it has been able to keep the ball rolling with the cooperation and support from the, Government, International Donor Agencies, Well-wishers and above all the people at large whom it has been trying to serve.

Slowly and steadily RKSP has passed many a summer and it has been actively involved in implementing social development activities for the last 3 years. All these years has consistently striven to empower the underprivileged, especially women and children through the implementation of various development initiatives, like, Crech, Primary Education, Skill Development Training, Health Care, Awareness Generation, Micro Finance, Adopt A Granny, Low Cost Sanitation, Animal Husbandry, Rehabilitation of Persons with Disabilities, Human Resource Development Training and Child Sponsorship Programme. All these initiatives have breathed in and air of confidence to those who have so long remained on the sidelines cursing their fate.

The intervention of RKSP has therefore opened up immense possibilities for the underprivileged in its area of operation to become active to take the plunge to re-shape their lives, which have so long remained inert due to lack of support and opportunities.

Does this new protection method need to be mentioned here? GRBerry 05:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I've added something about it. Sandstein 06:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion for another: So, what now? strategy
The thrust area of RKSP developmental initiative are as follows :- Child Education. Share your Care for a Rural Child. Micro Finance for Women Empowerment. Health Development Programme. Rehabilitation of Persons with Disabilities. International Intercommunication. Vocational Training. Sponsorship for Elderly People. Rural Sanitation. Help for Higher Education of Poor & Backward Students. Organizing the Social, Religious, Cultural programmes.

Since is about Wikipedia policy, I thought I would propose an addition to the page here and get some feedback first. The section: fails to mention the possibility of publishing Wikipedia's rejects on other wikis. Thus I propose adding this subsection:



If all else fails, try another wiki
As of 2007, Wikipedia is one of the world's largest and most-visited wikis. Wikipedia articles tend to rank high in the search results for many popular search engines. Prior to Wikipedia, wiki technology was not very well-known; as a result, Wikipedia may be the first wiki many people see, and the first wiki they attempt to edit on. Some people may be under the mistaken impression that Wikipedia is the only wiki, or is synonymous with "wiki." In many cases, this is unfortunate, because Wikipedia is actually a very specialized kind of wiki (an encyclopedia), and newcomers may need some time to understand that constitutes encyclopedic writing. There is much content that Wikipedia does not want, but is nonetheless useful to someone.

There are many other wikis, many with content policies very different from Wikipedia's, catering to a wide range of interests. Some of these wikis were founded by groups of former and/or continuing Wikipedia editors, who had more to say about their topic of interest than belongs in an encyclopedia. Examples include Wookiepedia (for Star Wars enthusiasts); and StrategyWiki (for video-game walkthroughs).

For almost every sort of article that would be interesting to someone, there is probably a wiki somewhere that would welcome it.

To find a happy home for your deleted article, check the List of wikis, Alternative outlets, and search WikiIndex. If you cannot find a suitable wiki on your own, ask for some "wiki outplacement" assistance on the Help desk.

Comments? --Teratornis 19:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I like it. --- RockMFR 06:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's a nice addition. Nice way to convey the "Wikipedia isn't everything, and isn't trying to be" message. As with MediaWiki:Blockedtext, adding in too many great ideas ends up drowning people with too many options, but I don't know if we've reached that point, yet (more of a caution for the future, at this point). – Luna Santin  (talk) 19:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * People are drowning in options whether they are aware of the options or not. People rarely make better use of their options by being less aware of them. It's worth writing down another instruction if some other person will need that instruction, and can find the written copy faster than reinventing it from scratch. Also realize that we write instructions not only to empower the do it yourselfers who constitute Wikipedia, but also to provide authoritative reference material for Help desk volunteers. People who specialize in answering questions can easily navigate far more instruction complexity on behalf of naive users than naive users might comfortably navigate by themselves. Having lots of written instructions boosts the efficiency and accuracy of people who specialize in answering other people's questions. If Wikipedia provided no way to ask other humans for help, then we might have to worry about giving people powerful tools, but help is in fact readily available on Wikipedia, and the help is better if we reduce the entire process of building Wikipedia to a sufficiently complex set of explicit procedures. As long as we organize and index our instructions for rapid lookup by users who understand the instructions, the instructions are not yet "too" complex. --Teratornis (talk) 21:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Instructions for checking the deletion log are wrong
In the section in this article that's called "First, check the deletion log", it gives instructions for finding the deletion log for a page. These instructions are no longer correct because there isn't a link to the deletion log from an article creation page. I don't know where to go to suggest that the deletion log link be put back, but if it isn't coming back, someone should revise the instructions in this article. -adavidw (talk) 02:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Seconded. Can someone tell me why are we no longer able to see if a page has been deleted?  Previously, I have avoided creating pages that have already been deleted, but now I don't know what to do.  Haplolology Talk/Contributions 17:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently you can still go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Delete but it seems to me the old system was better. Haplolology Talk/Contributions 17:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the text needs updating, then, to provide valid instructions. —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93; ‹(-¿-)› 14:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

"My"
Why is it called "Why was my page deleted" when it is clearly stated that no-one owns any articles? 58.168.147.119 (talk) 01:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing it's because "why was my page deleted?" is the most common form of this enquiry, as made on the Wikipedia Help Desk. Seans Potato Business 10:26, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

This article contradicts WP:OWN. There is no such thing as "my page" or "your page."


 * Per WP:BRD, I made the change. Anyone here disputing it, please state your reason. &#9775; Zenwhat (talk) 14:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not a contradiction, it's a frequently asked question, and hence it is beneficial for the title to use the qualifier "my" as a matter of convenience. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 23:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The word "my" does not necessarily imply ownership, for example: my country, my family, my employer, my neighborhood, etc. The word "my" may reflect a variety of personal associations with an entity or a concept, some of which differ from ownership in the legal sense. An owned object, if it were sentient, could even say "my owner." However, the page might summarize the relationship between an editor and his or her work on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 16:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion log and date of creation
I hope this this the correct place to discuss that. I would like to propose that in the deletion log, every user should be available to see when an article was created for the first time. This will help us to understand for how long the article was available. This is sometimes very useful if you are contesting a speedy deletion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:56, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * See Bug reports and feature requests. --Teratornis (talk) 04:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Policy change
Where would I post the discussion for a policy change? 5 days is not a very long time; if the article does not qualify for speedy deletion I believe it should be longer; maybe about a month would be good. Some articles that are notable enough to have an entry might not be viewed by active editors at all within only 5 days. Something like a local band that has toured in 5 states, opened for 2 very popular bands and one Ozzfest-like concert, and recorded one album in an unknown recording studio that is sold nationally in the main music section (as opposed to the discount bin), or a very popular internet terminology (afk etc.) that isn't looked up very often because geeks already know what it means and non-geeks have never heard of it. (They still might not be viewed by active editors within a month but we have to make a cut-off somewhere, right?) I meant to post only a short synapsis of my proposal, but then I realized that if this page is the place where I am supposed to put them, the proposal might be responded to in which case I do need to include the full description.Rayvn (talk) 14:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Take it to the village pump or other relevant venues. See How to change policy. —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93; ‹(-¿-)› 14:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Page has been deleted, and please don't mark my question resolved if I have not responded to indicate that it was resolved...Rayvn (talk) 22:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

"Try another wiki"
I've created an essay at Try another wiki that may be useful to this article. I recommend placing a link in this article to that essay because it can serve as a launching point for editors who may well have articles suited for another wiki. Also, comments and collaboration are welcome at that essay.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redundant with WP:ALTOUT. See Wikipedia talk:Alternative outlets. Should take less than 5 minutes if anything from WP:TRYANOTHER is salvageable (which I think is the case, but I'm not going to push it). —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93; ‹(-¿-)› 14:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Fluffy comments
WP:WMD redirects here. Doesn't WMD stand for "Waffles of Mass Deliciousness?" V-Man - T/C 01:54, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Who created the WP:WMD shortcut? That was brilliant. —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93; ‹(-¿-)› 13:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Gurch; Proof? ;)


 * 7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( t  /  c ) 04:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Pastor Howard Swick
Pastor Howard Swick, Rev. Chap.

Pastor Howard is a Contemporary Charismatic Minister and is independently ordained and Licensed / Bonded through the State of WV. With over 13-years of hands on ministry training in Youth, Young Adult, Eldership, and Sr. Pastor Ministry, Pastor Howard is also a Hospice Chaplain and Certified as a Rev. through St Luke Ministry Assoc?. Pastor Howard is known for preaching a Modern Cutting Edge On-Fire Word of God. He has preached Youth Revivals throughout North Central WV, Southern Pennsylvania, and as far away as Raleigh North Carolina. As a Sr. Pastor he has Crossed Denominational Barriers and preached at Methodist, Baptist, Nazarene, Pentecostal, and other Independent Churches. Along with his wife Benita he has served as Senior Pastors at Haven of Hope Worship Center since 2003… He previously served as Youth Pastor from 1995-2003 at Haven of Hope. Howard also has worked for Hospice Care Corporation in Southwestern PA and WV. He has served as Chaplain, PR. Rep., V.P. for Mkt. / Dev., and Director of Spiritual Services. Before coming to Hospice he worked for WV Radio Corp WDNE am / WDNE FM as an AE and Radio Personality. Along with his duties at the church and with Hospice Care, Pastor Howard also finds time to serve as a part of several local and regional boards and civic organizations. He has served as a Board of Director for the Philippi Main Street for the past 10-years, serving as President, Vice President, and several Committee Chair Seats. (He currently serves as Promotion Committee Chair-Person.) He has been honored as Board Member of the year twice for his efforts. Along with his work for the Philippi Main Street he also volunteers as a Board of Director for the American Cancer Society Relay for Life in Barbour County for the past 10-years… He has worked in the past on promotions with city councils in several different cities throughout the region and County Chambers in Barbour, Randolph, and Tucker County.

Swick is the Father of two Daughters.

Swick ran for City Council in 2008 and lost to Barbara Bryan by just a few votes.

Over the past several years Swick and his wife has led many Outreaches to help the less fortunate including an annual Christmas Toy and Food give out.We all have read about the young Billy Graham and other Men of God who have gone through the ranks, but what you may not have read about is Pastor Howard Swick and how God has used this young man to touch people throughout the world.

Preaching the Word of God in the US and hands on training young people over 10-years and sending them on Mission trips around the world. Swick has written Christian poems, Christian songs, and is currently writing a Christian book. He has worked with Mike Warnke very closely over the past three years. He has ministered with other preachers including Frank Butler (a founding member of the Hillsong City Church in Australia.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hswick (talk • contribs) 20:52, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Content of a deleted article
This article mentions "Do not despair: none of the information on a "deleted" page has actually been lost. Continue reading for details." But it doesn't give the details on how to find the information of a deleted article. If that's even possible. --Karolinger (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Admins can read the content of previously deleted articles, so if you can contact an admin they can send you a copy of a deleted article. It's already in there.


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Elida Rios Montañez
I wanted to write something on behalf of my family regarding the murder of my cousin and it keeps geting deletedMarixsaMo (talk) 15:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)