Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Archive/2009/8

WP:FSC
You all should be very glad that I only claim FSes I personally have involvement in bringing to Wikipedia: I just nominated the Diabelli Variations. In 16 parts. Mwahaha.

More seriously, please participate in Featured sounds: We really need voters, nominators, and the like. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates
After a string of questionable closures, I've decided that the stress of having things a FPC that can, for arbitrary reasons, be failed even if consensus supports promotion on the whim of the closer, makes it not worth dealing with the process.

If anyone wants some easy FP credits, they may feel free to nominate anything I put in User:Shoemaker's Holiday. I'll update this with all my restoration work, which I intend to keep doing. Ask me if you need any help understanding any of the images.

Thank you, Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 09:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think people should be claiming for images that they did no work on, otherwise I would be claiming for several images, which would hardly be fair. However, I would obviously support people nominating any image that they feel deserves to be recognised. J Milburn (talk) 22:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I believe that if any of these un-FPC'd but obviously FP-able images go through FPC (try saying that ten times fast?) the nominator probably shouldn't get anything for it. I mean, it's Shoe's work, not any Tom, Dick or Harry.  Sure, nominate it, but don't try to claim it as your own.  Thanks.  weburiedoursecretsinthegarden  22:10, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Just so long as I don't have to deal with all the things there. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 02:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to say this, but I've followed in Shoemaker's footsteps. Am boycotting the FPC process until reforms are implemented. Durova Charge! 02:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear that. I'm sure that the other competitors will be furious with you. (^_~) iMatthew : Chat  02:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * So what you're saying is if I can somehow grab 110 points in the next four days I can win the pool? I'll try to give you a run for your money, but I may end up being the top ranked Wildcard two rounds in a row. Useight (talk) 17:09, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually when I withdrew I had five FPCs outstanding, one of which has since been promoted. The FP promotion situation will probably get resolved soon; I certainly hope so.  But for the present I plan to shift to sounds and articles.  Probably my current GAC won't get reviewed in the next five days; if things stand as they are currently you'll mostly see a different shape to my point credits next month.  Durova Charge! 19:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh lordy. This could make the next round very interesting... weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 08:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have withdrawn my three remaining candidates from FPC; very disappointed with the direction things have taken. Durova Charge! 16:49, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, man! I feel like The King and Chick Hicks in the first race of Cars on that last lap: "McQueen blew a tire! McQueen blew a tire! Go, go, go!" The gap between you and me is currently 86 points. With four days left, I'd have to close the gap by 21.5 points daily. I'll see what I can do today, but if I don't have the gap down to 64 by the end of the day, then I'll be satisfied with being the top wildcard (assuming I can stay ahead of Scorpion who is breathing down my neck). Useight (talk) 17:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Am calmly working on improvements to Hearst Castle whenever the FPC drama doesn't spike. Durova Charge! 23:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Content content content
Okay, this is just an informal poll about topic content (so, article space - DYK, GA, FA, and Topics). Who is expecting to make it into the next round and what kind of content editing do you focus on? I focus strictly on literature articles. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I will unless a couple people pull a Rlvese and add a bunch of content to their submission pages right near the end and beat me out. ;-) Re focus: I work on maritime warfare articles related to battleships and battlecruisers of varying countries; my favorite and probably most comprehensive article I have written is probably Design 1047 battlecruiser. Cheers, — Ed   (Talk  •  Contribs)  15:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hense my name is Wrestlinglover, I'll spend most of my editing time on pro wrestling articles. Though I may pull out some that have nothing to do with wrestling.-- Will C  16:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I like that all of you guys like to stick to your topics, but it would be really cool to see some uncommon topics being picked up in these last few rounds. :) iMatthew : Chat  16:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Bah, I'm not really interested in writing anything else really, outside of the only non-MILHIST GA I have, The Sword of Shannara. /me looks at Ottava and wonders if he could finish that off and get it to FA. I might write a train-related article....we'll see. — Ed   (Talk  •  Contribs)  16:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I have some uncommon literary topics - scandals, disputes, and the rest. It should be fun. One of my GA for this time was about a person being sent to a mental asylum - he was either crazy or he was locked up to get rid of him, either way, very interesting. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I focus on articles related to the NFL or video games. Useight (talk) 17:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Why don't you try to feature them? iMatthew : Chat  17:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I do plan to, see User:Useight/Objectives. I worked on Nintendo 64, but it failed GA here and here, so I'll get back to that eventually. I would also like to get Pikachu to FA someday, but I have other projects I want to finish first. Useight (talk) 17:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I think I'll get through, as I have just had two GAs promoted. I vary what I write a lot- at the moment, fungi and Britain's Got Talent are my main focuses, but I also like to drift into anything of interest. J Milburn (talk) 17:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * So far in 2009 most of my DYKs have been African geography and Latin American artists. Have one GAC currently on an odd bit of history: a nineteenth century Frenchman who thought he could teach sparrows to act like carrier pigeons; a possible April Fool's featured article for next year.  If the FP boycott lasts I might get back to ragtime articles; was working on that subject last fall.  Have a couple of FA drives in mind on unrelated subjects: a California architect and (heaven help me) a Simpsons episode.  Durova Charge! 19:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm third overall, is that correct?? I guess that's the end of me then... ;) but when I was here I seemed to be moving ever further from neglected music articles towards neglected television articles at DYK. There was also a lot of cookery but I got that out of the way in one batch.


 * I also work to have unrepresented (and some well-represented) countries and events posted on the Main Page at ITN. I guess this round's highlights would include the much-maligned snooker and table tennis inclusions, a very bad earthquake, a fire in a homeless hostel, floods and mudslides, an avalanche, shooting, suicide attack, diplomatic disaster, pig culls, guerrillas, child abuse, a deadly party, a string of poetic firsts, asexual ants, a walking seal, an outlawed seal pursuit, several slightly painful stonings and hackings, a Neapolitan crimelord... and I've just completed an African musical stampede. I also do nude art for those who don't know.


 * This is my one GA from the second round, succeeding this and this from the first round. Which reminds me, I now have much-needed images for the last one... -- can  dle &bull; wicke  20:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. The infobox is so much more complete now... -- can  dle &bull; wicke  01:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm second overall, and mostly do FPs, but I refuse to participate anymore. We shall see where this leaves me next round. I'll probably have a couple FAs, a couple FPOs (way undervalued in points) and some FSes that round. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 02:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Current standing GANs
If you have any current GANs waiting to be reviewed, and would like the points to count for this round, should it pass, list it here and either myself, another judge, or User:Wizardman will review it before the end of the round. We'll take as many as we can. Keep in mind that if you're basically guaranteed to go through already, you may just want to save the points. iMatthew : Chat  19:09, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Was curious when y'all will do this, as there is only 2-3 days left.-- King Bedford I Seek his grace  23:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It ends Saturday, at 23:59. I'll probably do them during the day. iMatthew : Chat  00:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

List of GANs

 * Vic Aldridge-- King Bedford I Seek his grace  23:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Law & Order: Criminal Intent (season 1) Not a big deal, though. I don't think I'll make the wildcard cut-off even with it. Matthewedwards : Chat  21:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm very sorry to you both, but I'm unable to get this done. I shouldn't have made promises I can't keep, but I've been so busy this week I haven't found time. Bedford, you seem to be in the next round already and Matthewedwards, even if that passed, you wouldn't have enough to advance to the next round. Sorry, again! iMatthew : Chat  20:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Doof. :P  weburiedoursecretsinthe garden  21:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * >:( iMatthew : Chat  21:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like it made a difference, as I would have made it in.-- King Bedford I Seek his grace  02:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Very sorry about that Bedford, but I didn't have the time. However, in the mean time I'd like to point out User:Shappy/Amazing Race Wikipedia which should be starting in July. iMatthew : Chat  02:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Extending the deadline
Would it be possible to extend the submission deadline until Saturday? That way, FLC and FAC closures that day can be counted. Alternatively, I might be able to do FLC closures on Friday, but I don't know if the users at FAC would be willing. -- Scorpion 0422  01:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, I don't have a problem with that. I'm free most of the day on Sunday, so if Garden's not around (he's on a semi-break) then myself and THO will work out the pools for round 3. iMatthew : Chat  02:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, the space between is only for sorting out the pools for next round anyway, so it would be fine to continue through that (considering there's less work than last round).  weburiedoursecretsinthe garden  09:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Featured sounds
Featured_sound_candidates: Please join in!

(Note that, for WikiCup purposes, only Ne gustara counts towards my points; the rest are just me attempting to prime the pump a bit by making sure people have things to vote on, and to show that Commons really does have some astounding stuff. But as we're all interested in improving Wikipedia here, revitalising this process would be a good start. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 21:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Another points opportunity
Another rarely used (or rarely cashed-in) points opportunity is at WP:ITN. There always seem to be articles at WP:ITN/C needing updates before they can be posted—an easy 5 points. For example, one current article like this is Lujo virus, which just needs some cleanup and a little expansion. Just offering, as few people (except for Candlewicke and I (and maybe someone else)) have ever gotten points from such an easy source. Thanks,  Spencer T♦ Nominate! 00:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I got 5 points for an ITN in the first round. None this time though. Matthewedwards : Chat  01:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried ITC, and it was just pain to try. I am one of the best ever at DYK, so I'll stick to that.-- King Bedford I  Seek his grace  01:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, but it's wonderful really when you get used to it! Any microbiologists around here who could make sure that virus gets its day on the Main Page? -- can  dle &bull; wicke  03:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:FL
I closed some FLCs today so that those of you who need to can submit them before the current round finishes. There are five, I haven't really looked to see if the nominators are players, but I'm just letting you all know in case you're waiting. Matthewedwards : Chat  01:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It was just Wrestlinglover, so I let him know on his talk page. iMatthew : Chat  01:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope I'm not too late? I just go back from graduation and just saw IMatthew's note. I placed it in my submissions page. If I'm too late, just remove it.-- Will C  02:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, iMatthew, just call me "Will".-- Will C  02:59, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

The round will end...
If FAC does their closures before 17:00 UTC, then ST47 will do a final bot update and we will end the round. If they do them after 17:00 UTC, we'll wait until they finish and the bot does a new final update, then end the round. iMatthew : Chat  01:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Forget that, I'll just leave it open until 23:59 UTC. iMatthew : Chat  16:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll not be around to help until before and a day after that time.  weburiedoursecretsinthe garden  21:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well FAC still hasn't done closures. So I'm just waiting for the mainly. iMatthew : Chat  21:08, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome :)  weburiedoursecretsinthe garden  21:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Can't end till ST47 makes the final update. iMatthew : Chat  01:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The suspense is killing me....Useight (talk) 01:17, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

GA/FA question
I'm not a participant, but this looks look fun so I may take part next year! If a player gets an article passed as a GA and then takes the same one to FA, does he get 80 points for both or 50 for the FA? I would think the latter; you should only get the highest single point value, not a combo for the same work. Reywas92 Talk 02:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You get the 80 points. iMatthew : Chat  02:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How is it the same work? If you get it to to GA that's one thing and if you get it to FA that's another thing which involves more work again... -- can  dle &bull; wicke  03:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Round is over!
Congratulations to the following users, moving on to round 3!


 * Candlewicke
 * Durova
 * Gary King
 * Juliancolton
 * Mitchazenia
 * Ottava Rima
 * Paxse
 * Rlevse
 * Sasata
 * Scorpion0422
 * Shoemaker's Holiday
 * the_ed17
 * Theleftorium
 * ThinkBlue
 * Useight
 * Wrestlinglover

Round three will start on June 1st. Newsletter tomorrow! iMatthew : Chat  02:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yay, thanks for the update. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I threw up the colour coding. I hope you don't mind. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 09:59, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The pools have been made, but we're not announcing them just yet
First, I want to play a little game :)

Anybody in the top 16 is free to e-mail me over the next 12 hours, and they may ask if any other top 16 contestant is in their pool for round 3 or not. You can only ask about one person, so choose wisely. I will say either Yes or No; no more information will be given but that. iMatthew : Chat  02:55, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, about whom should I ask? I must think. Will the results of these questions be posted here? Useight (talk) 03:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I'll e-mail you back. But I'll tell you who the person asked about the most is, if there is one. iMatthew : Chat  03:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well? I wasn't around for this but who was most asked for? Can we have a list of totals please? Ans who asked about who if this is possible but at least an anonymous list... -- can  dle &bull; wicke  00:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry, didn't see the below... it was kept well hidden... -- can  dle &bull; wicke  00:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Placing the pools up
Every 30 minutes as of now, I'll put up another person in each pool. It's fun to watch you all sweat!

Just kidding :)

Nobody was asked about more than any other person. Durova was asked about the most regarding the above section, being questioned by 3 people (all of which turned out negative). :P

iMatthew : Chat  14:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Gender bender
Wonderin' what the breakdown is around here. Durova Charge! 16:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Females:
 * Durova Charge! 16:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Males:
 * "If the bible has taught us nothing else - and it hasn't - it's that girls should stick to girls' sports, like hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing"  The Le ft orium  16:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think; let me check... – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 16:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You would. iMatthew : Chat  16:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Only JC would need to check whether he was a man or not. Though I suppose being at such a young age means you just cant be sure of these things. 131.251.134.148 (talk) 20:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a rather good play, Silence, by Moira Buffoni set in the year 1000. Its titular character has been raised to be a man so that she can inherit, and doesn't find out until after she's married. It's based, very loosely, on a book of the same name Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 21:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I haff a beard. Anyway, my presumption would be that we'd be about equal, or maybe slightly biased towards men due to (rapidly becoming historic, thank god) social pressures that urged women away from computers and other science-and-technology-related interests. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 16:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm the Alpha Male. In all seriousness though, if it can be called that, everyone on the Internet is male until proven otherwise. I do also note, though, that I am one of only two remaining contestants with a username that begins with a vowel. Useight (talk) 16:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am a man, well at least I think so. I don't have a woman telling me I'm not, so I guess I am one, for now.-- Will C  20:33, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Unlike what many people think, I am neither female nor Canadian. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:42, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Decline to state/Other:
 * We're still just not sure. :( iMatthew : Chat  16:14, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am. 3 1/2 years of Mitch32 16:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't you people ever learn? there are no girls on the internet! No hot ones anyway (MySpace doesn't count) PXK    T  /C  16:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There are plenty, actually. Durova, you have permission to raise a trout. iMatthew : Chat  16:36, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh crap *gets ready to block* PXK    T  /C  16:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I am proud to say that in the last round I was the top ranked Canadian, top ranked FL director, top ranked user named for an arachnid, top ranked user with the numbers 0422 in their name and top ranked Simpsons editor not from Sweden. Off-topic, but is there a page that can show us our score from the last 2 rounds combined? -- Scorpion 0422  21:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hah, that's like saying Scotland are he best football team in the world located in western Europe who play in navy and contain at least two players with the prefix "Mc" in their surname...  weburiedoursecretsinthe garden  20:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * What's a male? Oh I get it now, an alternative spelling of that word Americans use for transmitting information and tangible objects, wherein written documents, typically enclosed in envelopes and also small packages delivered to destinations around the world... -- can  dle &bull; wicke  19:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
For the free featured credits. What FA and FL did I write? ;) Durova Charge! 18:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what is going on?-- Will C  19:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, don't look a gifthorse in the mouth. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 20:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I know you're joking but could you please inform ST47 when stuff like this happens because he is the only one with keys to the Jeep.  weburiedoursecretsinthe garden  20:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Two rounds combined
Per the request above, here are the two-round totals of each of the remaining 16 contestants. Useight (talk) 23:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) Shoemaker's Holiday, 1738
 * 2) Theleftorium, 1569
 * 3) Sasata, 1565
 * 4) Durova, 1458
 * 5) Mitchazenia, 1408
 * 6) Gary King, 1367
 * 7) Candlewicke, 1358
 * 8) Scorpion0422, 1353
 * 9) Useight, 1079
 * 10) Juliancolton, 897
 * 11) Paxse, 792
 * 12) Rlevse, 739
 * 13) ThinkBlue, 695
 * 14) The_ed17, 541
 * 15) Wrestlinglover, 525
 * 16) Ottava Rima, 439


 * MWAHAHAHA! Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 01:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Poor, little ol me at the bottom. However, people forget that this is a marathon and not a sprint. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hahaha I feel your pain, Ottava. However, I'm ready to break out and own now. "Down with Shoemaker!" ;-D — Ed   (Talk  •  Contribs)  02:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As of now, my prep is up to 45+ DYK, 25+ GAN, and 7+ FACs. All I need to do is huggle for 8,000 edits for the win. ;/ Ottava Rima (talk) 02:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * O_O Those three linked above are my prep (and one shouldn't be there; Minas Geraes failed a FAC earlier). I'll have to write/add a lot to everything else (e.g. ARA Rivadavia is a long way from GA). Colon left parenthesis. — Ed   (Talk  •  Contribs)  03:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Colon Open Bracket yamean. (oh crap, the article's been deleted. Colon Open Bracket.)  weburiedoursecretsinthe garden  15:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Except that it is easier for people to understand "left parenthesis" than "open bracket" :P — Ed   (Talk  •  Contribs)  20:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

You've got to be kidding me. I'm almost dead last in total points. Well that ends this round.-- Will C  20:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And I'm ranked 9th when the top 8 move on to the next round. Cracking the Top 8 this round won't be easy. Everyone seems to be turning up the heat. Useight (talk) 21:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe try actually writing something ;)  weburiedoursecretsinthe garden  21:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I should get around to that. No GA or FA in 2.5 years, but I have created hundreds of articles. I'd like to get Nintendo 64 up to GA eventually, but I have a couple of projects that are ahead of it in priority. Plus it's fun to defy the WikiCup as long as possible. :P Useight (talk) 21:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to do very well this round, I don't think. Not with the boycott. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 21:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah you'll do fine... especially since they're throwing free points at us!!! :) :) :) I still haven't worked out their system for giving them though... and some of mine were taken away much to my disappointment... :( -- can  dle &bull; wicke  01:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

New additions
Cool, didn't realise I had so many points already. As does everyone else. You also seem to have removed someone from Pool A... -- can  dle &bull; wicke  20:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Mitchazenia is gone. Useight (talk) 20:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Erm, it would be safe to assume that's a bug.  weburiedoursecretsinthe garden  20:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's no wonder you guys got through if you've written that many FAs already. J Milburn (talk) 21:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Aren't you going to return Mitchazenia? Or is that not a bug? I would also like my other 106 points back if that's possible please... -- can  dle &bull; wicke  22:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Now he's back... but is he supposed to have all those points? If so, well done on that astounding achievement! :) -- can  dle &bull; wicke  01:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He hasn't submitted anything. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 02:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the bug probably stuck for a bit. I think it should be okay soonish.  weburiedoursecretsinthe garden  08:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Pointless comment

 * Is it me or has this page gone a bit quiet in recent hours? -- can  dle &bull; wicke  20:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Who do you think we are, Hertz? :P Meetare Shappy Cunkelfratz! 20:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Please withdraw me from the cup
I'm leaving Wikipedia. It's more and more clear that even when policy is on your side, the general adminship will do nothing. Wadester16 modifies my posts, puts them under an inflammatory edit summary, and edit-wars to keep his version up? AGF. Nothing to see here. Someone invalidly non-admin-closes Plot of Les Misérables' discussion, then an admin claims that The changes to WP:PLOT made after a majority of people sid it shouldn't exist at all in WP:NOT were probably forced through without consensus because they watered the old, no-consensus policy down. So he protects the redirect. I complain, I get attacked.

Every time I state my concerns, I get attacked for raisingthem. Durova even often states they havee merit, but urges people to ignore me anyway.

Arbcom have been promising to deal with the Matthew Hoffman case for two months now. Kirril Has twice been asked for progress reports, and told me a statement was being prepared. No statement has ever been forthcoming.

I turn 30 today. That's too old to put up with this shit any more.

I'm out of here.

Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 18:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "Sigh" iMatthew : Chat  18:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well Happy Birthday, and enjoy your life! :) iMatthew : Chat  18:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. Here's hoping this is farewell but not goodbye.  Enjoy your break, and best wishes.  Durova Charge! 19:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you may want to reshuffle the pools, because I am going to withdraw if I qualify for round 4. I'm going to be gone for most (if not all) of August (and a good chunk of July), so there is no point in me taking an active user's spot. So that means, if I qualify, 2 users in Pool B will have withdrawn. (NOTE: This is not a withdrawal request, I'm just making the leaders aware). -- Scorpion 0422  19:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to take either's place; I was the next highest.-- King Bedford I Seek his grace  19:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I can't replace an editor because of the rules set in the beginning of the Cup. iMatthew : Chat  19:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Although, with even two in a pool, only one definitely goes through... the wildcards could go all over the place... -- can  dle &bull; wicke  19:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Useight and Scorpion have both said they may have to withdraw before round 4 starts, so that a more active editor gets through, since they will both be away. We'll just have to continue on from there. If Scorp and Shoe are both out, Gary and Paxse have a 50/50 chance of moving on as a pool winner. Nothing we can do at this point. iMatthew : Chat  19:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 50/50 is not good enough to guarantee that I go through :) Gary King  ( talk ) 19:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Considering that Paxse is still at 0, I wonder how few points it can take to win Pool B. Could be interesting. Useight (talk) 21:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was about to observe that point... 50/50 it might be not, Gary... at least until Paxse registers a few points... -- can  dle &bull; wicke  22:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The WikiCup has been changing rules throughout the past few months, regarding the last day of the round and what counts as how many points. Considering that iMatthew conveniently no longer had the time to review GANs when I was the only one it would affect, plus iMatthew intimidating me on the last day accusing me of cheating when I wasn't as I was fooling with templates, to keep the WikiCup from being a joke having me replace a withdrawn candidate only makes sense.-- King Bedford I Seek his grace  22:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ...they (the rules) finally stabilized, and now we want to change them again? :-/ Also, iMatthew didn't have to review your GAN; his offer was a courtesy, but real life got in the way. It happens. WP:AGF? — Ed   (Talk  •  Contribs)  22:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What is this accusation of chesting? -- can  dle &bull; wicke  22:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * the_ed17 is correct. I offered it, but real life just got in the way. I'm sorry it happened, Bedford. Also, you're not the only one I've approached about their mainspace editing, and marking it and minor and such. The rules we made before the contest say I can't replace Shoe. I'm sorry. iMatthew : Chat  01:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Observation
I am top of the only pool without a 0! How did that happen? -- can  dle &bull; wicke  22:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, not that I would have caught up, but I've been sick the past few days and haven't been editing much. Useight (talk) 22:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * But you still have more than zero and have done very well considering you don't yet have any non-main space edits and, as you say, have been sick for days... -- can  dle &bull; wicke  22:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Proactive disclosure
In case anyone is wondering about the sudden change in the shape of my points, part of it stems from the FPC boycott discussed earlier, which (with any luck) will come to an amicable closure soon. In the meantime, am extracting contributory copyright infringement and unreliable citations from articles. Going down the Special:Linksearch results for several of the major lyrics hosting sites, which leads to a lot of dreadful pages. It's been the better part of a year since I've seriously made one of these sweep, and (at least potentially) it's one of the more important repetitive tasks a Wikipedian could undertake: there's been a legal precedent that deliberate linking to copyright violations could be actionable in court. So that's what's up, and best wishes all. Durova Charge! 20:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, well your contributions to that field will still count toward your total, of course, and I think that a big sweep should be enough to create a good score. Thanks for the disclosure however - I doubt this will seriously concern any of your group members however :D  weburiedoursecretsinthe garden  21:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, just a bunch of mainspace edits and nothing else? You're encroaching on my turf. Useight (talk) 22:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've had a GAN sitting in the heap for a month that hasn't been reviewed yet. Durova Charge! 23:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can beat that, I have the oldest nomination on GAN. Most of mine usually end up being the oldest. People tend to not like to review pro wrestling articles.-- Will C  22:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I myself am having relatives over. If I'm lucky, this'll have been sorted by July, and I can submit the work I've done in the meantime then.

There's one FPC of mine still open, but, well, FPC is pretty incompetent just now: It's been setting, with four supports, no opposes, for fifteen days. FPC is supposed to last 7. Been thinking of withdrawing it, but that'd feel like giving in to the stupidity over there at this point. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 22:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, can anyone close it or just a specified reviewer?  weburiedoursecretsinthe garden  09:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe anyone can close a FPC. J Milburn (talk) 08:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct.  Spencer T♦ Nominate! 23:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposal: Add Outlines to the WikiCup
Outlines, which used to be called Lists of basic topics, generally are not eligible for featured list status. They do however need to be improved to high quality.

Outline development is fairly involved. See Outlines.

Some examples of well-developed outlines include:
 * Outline of Japan
 * Outline of meteorology
 * Outline of cell biology
 * Outline of anarchism
 * Outline of architecture
 * Outline of classical studies
 * Outline of fiction
 * Outline of music
 * Outline of geography
 * Outline of Australia
 * Outline of Canada
 * Outline of France
 * Outline of Iceland
 * Outline of Taiwan
 * Outline of Thailand
 * Outline of the United Kingdom
 * Outline of the United States
 * Outline of Vatican City
 * Outline of history
 * Outline of economics
 * Outline of technology
 * Outline of aerospace
 * Outline of library science
 * Outline of robotics

I would like to propose that outlines be added to next year's Wikicup competition, and be assigned a point value.

The Transhumanist 01:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC) I have worked with The Transhumanist a little bit with several of these outlines, and I have to agree with him here. They are not easy to make at all. Outlines are seemingly new concept, but actually have been around since 2001 under a variety of names. Their basic point is to organize the variety of informaiton on a specific topic. The OoK WikiProject banner, for example, shows a user trying to type in chocolate, and being befuddled by the massive amounts of articles that we have on chocolate. An outline of chocolate would work by having all of those links on one page in an organized fashion. The idea actually might even fit in the scope of WP:FL. The Transhumanist, perhaps it would be best if we could bring this up at WT:FLC? NW ( Talk ) 12:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but no thanks. Too complicated. =/ iMatthew : Chat  01:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We have the rest of the year to work out the details. :)  What's too complicated about it?  The Transhumanist  01:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know how you would judge/assess those. I'm not very fond of those in the first place. iMatthew : Chat  01:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope we don't count these; you can/do ise a script to create them, and it's not actual content building...more like an encyclopedia of link with, well, an encyclopedia. — Ed   (Talk  •  Contribs)  03:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see how these require much work at all. We don't give out points for creating stubs, so why should we give points for these? Meetare Shappy  Cunkelfratz! 11:02, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been working on them for 4 years. They aren't that easy.  The idea is that we need well-developed ones.  The vast majority of them are incomplete.  The Transhumanist  04:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried. They wanted every entry referenced.  That just isn't practical.  Also, referencing things that are obvious, like "Germany is a country", is ludicrous.  What other options are there?  The Transhumanist  18:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It would help your case Trashumanist, if you hadn't canvassed on multiple users talk pages about this. I don't think they should be given points, and it seems a few other users that have been in the Cup agree. iMatthew : Chat  18:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Everything's looking good to me
I just thought I'd point out that there is currently not a problem with the scores. Thanks. Useight (talk) 23:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Arg!! Why does everyone comment everytime there is an error with the bot!? We noticed, and ST47 was already informed. :) iMatthew : Chat  23:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sure they only intend to comment because they think it will go unnoticed and some poor soul will lose their place in the next round... --  can  dle &bull; wicke  00:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just relishing the fact that I had 469 points. Useight (talk) 01:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly. And some poor user would be deprived of a spot now if the round ended suddenly so I can see why others might want to complain... well done, I'll never catch up now... :( -- can  dle &bull; wicke  02:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Please be less verbose, I can almost understand what the problem is, and that would mean I could fix it. We wouldn't want that.
 * For some reason the bots on my windows box, which had been heretofore disabled/broken/not running, suddenly decided to start following their scheduled runs again. Since the code on this box hadn't been working, I hadn't ever propagated the code for the bot, in which was hardcoded the start time for the editcounts. When the bot started working, it used the round 2 start time instead of the round 3 start time. I propagated the offending file, and then I propagated everything else just for the hell of it. Bot happy now. ST47 (talk) 02:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't mean to sound rude; I was trying to make a joke about how good everything was for me suddenly, being so far ahead in my pool. Perhaps I should've made the header "Everything looks good for me." Jokes don't translate online that well. Useight (talk) 02:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Obviously they don't translate online that well, as my comment was intended to be somewhat lighthearted as well. But whatever. ST47 (talk) 02:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Right, uh, obviously there must still be a minor problem because Julian is about 60 points closer to me than before all the scores messed up... :) :) :) -- can  dle &bull; wicke  14:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Mwuahahahaha. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 16:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Grrrr.... :) -- can  dle &bull; wicke  18:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)