Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Adelaide/Archive 1

Miscellaneous
Just with the to-do list: is Adelaide going to follow the naming conventions established in Sydney and Melbourne? If that's going to be the case, then the suburbs should be at Suburb, South Australia, and railway stations at Station railway station, Adelaide. Ambi 02:22, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I guess we are. Adelaide's public transport system is unique however and we have lots of "bus interchanges" (on the Adelaide O-Bahn) which work similarly to railway stations in other places. - Aaron Hill 02:47, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * Would they be worth creating articles on? Ambi 02:22, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I think of them as relatively large railway stations, so yeah they probably are worth creating articles on especially considering their unique qualities. I live really close to the O-Bahn so I might take a walk down a get a few photos. Subpage:WikiProject Adelaide/Interchanges - Aaron Hill 02:27, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * I catch the O-Bahn from Paradise Interchange just about every day, but I don't have a camera. As for the stations thingy, there's Belair, Noarlunga, Gawler, Tonsley... Suburb, South Australia should be fine. If not, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Alphax (talk) 15:00, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * I have a camera and some photos of TTP Interchange. Getting photos of Klemzig and Paradise will cost me a ticket. =( Avochelm 12:17, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to see the history of Adelaide expanded on the Adelaide Page, could this be added to the wikiproject? - Diceman 15:40, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Local Government Areas of South Australia
Do we have a consensus process for adding things to the open tasks panel? The Local Government Areas of South Australia list has links mostly just to the last part of a name (District Council/City of ...) and it seems more good luck than good management if it hits something about the town/suburb at the seat of government. See for example the link for City of Charles Sturt links to Charles Sturt The explorer, with no reference to the city. Very few of the town names are links to Town, South Australia rather than just Town. Is there a standard for the name syntax to use for local government areas? Should they redirect to the main town/suburb? --ScottDavis 13:03, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * There is a standard - using the official name. That's what we've done in Victoria and New South Wales, anyway. I prefer to have seperate articles on the municipality and the individual towns, and you get around messy situations like that article by going with the full name. Ambi 13:14, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I've changed the main page, and will relink as many old pages as seem relevent - ie they talk about a council or LGA, not about a town. Thanks --ScottDavis 10:24, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Torrens navigation
Does anybody have a reference to support the claim in River Torrens that it used to be navigable up to the city for cargo from the Port? I've never heard that anywhere else. --ScottDavis 03:40, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I did hear this, but I can't think where... Now I am afraid that I read it on Wikipedia :) --Lisa 28 June 2005 05:28 (UTC)

hi - i do remember reading that  there was a plan for a canal to be built up the centre of Port Road  so that barges of cargo could be   sailed to the city - of ocurse it never happened..... PCA


 * This reference says Port Road was planned to be wide enough for a canal, tow path and railway. --Scott Davis Talk 07:47, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Goyders Line
Should the article on Goyder's Line be included in this project? Whilst it is not in Adelaide, it is still a part of South Australia. - Ytgy111 08:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Welcome, and thanks for the maps. The WikiProject is about improving the breadth and depth of articles about Adelaide itself (probably accepted to mean the metro area and what you can see from it). However, the people interested in the rest of the state are probably also members here, so conversations about rural and state government things can happen either here or at the Australian Wikipedians' notice board. --ScottDavis 09:23, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Jam Factory
I was looking to start an article on the Jam Factory, but found The Jam Factory already occupied by an article on a Melbourne shopping centre. Any recomendations on a suitable title for Adelaide's infinitely more notable Jam Factory, one of Australia's most distinguished contemporary design institution. I considered moving the existing article to The Jam Factory, Melbourne and then creating The Jam Factory, Adelaide, but wondered if The Jam Factory was the correct name at all.-- Cyberjunkie   TALK  07:57, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * JamFactory is one word. Refer externally: . - Aaron Hill 13:07, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep, saw that, but thought it was just web-styling? I'll use that spelling though, and create necessary disambiguation links. --[[Image:Flag_of_Australia.svg|15px]] Cyberjunkie   TALK  13:25, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I should just mention that an article has already been created by the dutiful Oliyoung at Jam Factory, Adelaide. Problem solvered.--[[Image:Flag_of_Australia.svg|15px]] Cyberjunkie   TALK  04:16, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Dutiful ;) -- I saw that the previous version was linking to the Melbourne shopping centre, and redirected it to a new local one (with an Adelaide suffix) and threw some content up on it --Oliyoung 11:32, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Suburb categories
Can anyone explain the conceptual difference between Category:Adelaide suburb stubs and Category:Incomplete Adelaide suburbs? They are both subcategories of Category:Suburbs of Adelaide. --ScottDavis 05:10, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I think the latter is outdated, as they both serve the same function, and the first one is much more in line with naming conventions these days. Ambi 05:17, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is outmoded. I modelled the suburb area of the Adelaide WikiProject on that of the Sydney WikiProject. I think the Canberra WikiProject just recently retired the "incomplete suburbs" category in favour of "stubs". But then, perhaps it is still necessary, given all suburbs have the Adelaide suburb stub. --[[Image:Flag_of_Australia.svg|15px]] Cyberjunkie   TALK  04:57, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I propose we drop the Category:Incomplete Adelaide suburbs. All suburbs should be categorised as Category:Suburbs of Adelaide, and if the article is clearly inadequate, mark it as Adelaide suburb stub. --ScottDavis 05:27, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll support that. --[[Image:Flag_of_Australia.svg|15px]] Cyberjunkie   TALK  05:36, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * How many votes do we need for a quorum? --ScottDavis 05:41, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd just do it. There's unlikely to be any other interested parties. I think the best way to go is to make sure all suburbs are in Category:Suburbs of Adelaide, and change the stub message to avoid the incomplete category, making sure the stub notice goes on all appropriate articles as well. Ambi 06:12, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I've emptied Category:Incomplete Adelaide suburbs, and taken the useful bits of its description into Category:Adelaide suburb stubs. Cyberjunkie needs to nominate the category for speedy deletion, as that must be done by the creator. --ScottDavis 07:24, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I nominated it for speedy deletion (though I was under the impression it could be done by anyone).--[[Image:Flag_of_Australia.svg|15px]] Cyberjunkie   TALK  07:51, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Good resource
For all looking to write about (the history of) Adelaide and South Australia, the State Library of South Australia has today launched The Manning Index, which contains references to, and extracts from over a hundred years of journals, newspapers and gazettes published in South Australia. These are collated under topics, including a particularly useful "place names" category. I beleive there are a few essays within the Index as well.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 12:47, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Factuality
Hi all. Can anyone attest to the factuality of Polish Hill River? It's not something I've ever come across.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:10, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The top half is ripped out of http://www.wilsonvineyard.com.au/region/index.asp The bottom half also looks like it's out of a local newspaper or tourist leaflet, but I can't find it on the web. --Scott Davis Talk 06:31, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Stub templates
Discussion on the naming of stub templates relating to this and other Australian city wikiprojects is in progress at WP:WSS/P. Feel free to comment. Grutness...  wha?  01:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Mapit-AUS-suburbscale
I notice a number of suburb articles are getting Mapit-AUS-suburbscale added to the External links section. I think this is a good move, but wish to note it does not replace putting the coordinates elsewhere in the article as well for two reasons: --Scott Davis Talk 15:11, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) The template does not display the coordinates, so printing the article or using screen reading software does not include the coordinates.
 * 2) The Mapit template will probably not work for tools processing coordinates for purposes like the full list of locations at http://www.webkuehn.de/hobbys/wikipedia/geokoordinaten.html for display in Google Earth.

Suburb Review
If anyone has time would they be able to check the Waterfall Gully suburb article and offer advice or help fix any issues with it? Attempting to go for featured article quality. - G 01:22, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Suburb expansion
Hey I have been a member on this project since August (joined wikipedia in july) and already created around 6 suburb articles. Everyone your doing a great job but this project need more members to finish the project quicker. (Empty2005 14:46, 5 October 2005 (UTC))

New stub templates
As a result of the discusion at WP:WSS/P about stub templates for Australian cities, there are now new templates relating to Adelaide. This brings its template names and scope in line with other places around the world.

Sorry for any inconvenience the changeover has caused - we at WP:WSS hope you find these new stubs useful! Grutness...  wha?  11:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * In place of the old Adelstub, we now have Adelaide-stub, which links with
 * In place of the old Adelaide suburb stub, we now have Adelaide-geo-stub, which links with . This allows not only suburbs, but also roads, buildings, rivers, hills and the like in the city to be stubbed with this template. Note that buildings should be double stubbed with struct-stub. Note also that there is now a separate SouthAustralia-geo-stub - it is quite possible that a lot of stubs relating to Adelaide's geography are currently marked with this (or that people in your WikiProject will know enough about the rest of the state to be able to expand some of these stubs too!)
 * Adelaide transport stub is no longer to be used. Transport articles relating to Adelaide should be either double-stubbed with Adelaide-stub and Australia-rail-stub (for railways) or Adelaide-geo-stub and Australia-road-stub (for roads).

Government tasks
I've added another box to the Tasks section of the project page, Government. I've set it up with the local government areas, state electoral districts and current members of the South Australian House of Assembly. The numbers relate to the whole state, not just the metro area, but they wouldn't actually change by much to only be the metro area. I thought the state government areas are important with a state election coming up next year. If this interests you, please help to create and improve these articles. --Scott Davis Talk 14:00, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Indigenous Groups
I've requested in discussion pages for South Australia and Australian Aborigines to include articles on Indigenous groups and possibly individual groups. Any possibility we could have a link to the Kaurna on the Adelaide page considering they were in Adelaide first? Frances76 11:42, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I wrote a short reference to the Kaurna in the history area. SauliH 13:08, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I removed a reference of the Kaurna as 'Stone Age' from the Mt Osmond Page. Unbelievable to come across that sort of description in this day and age, where did the original text come from, there is no reference that I can see? (Michael, a Mt Osmond Resident.)

Robin Warren
I added Robin Warren to the list of nobel prize winning adelaideans but was wondering what others thought of that, as he has spent most of his life working in perth. Bartimaeus 01:52, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Surrey Downs
Could somebody please look at Surrey Downs, South Australia? It sounds like the most wonderful place on Earth, with no crime, and world-class doctors and lawyers graduating from primary school! Thanks.--Scott Davis Talk 12:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

A primary school and kindergarden train the next generation of Surrey-Downians with Harvard Grade techniques. Almost fell off me chair! I'll look into it. :D--Cyberjunkie | Talk 12:59, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Rewritten with bullshit removed. :) Ambi 13:06, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


 * No fair! I was editing concurrently. Great work Ambi!--Cyberjunkie | Talk 13:07, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick responses :-) I loved Ambi's edit summary too. I think I have been there, and it looks like a nice place if you like living in a bushfire trap in the suburbs. I took the first paragraph seriously, and it just got worse! --Scott Davis Talk 13:18, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Avoiding crappy stubs
Just wondering... instead of starting really bad stubs on eg. suburbs, might it be better to use /temp as a collaborative area until there's a half decent article? Or should we just go ahead and start them - eg. I could start Lobethal right now with "Lobethal is a small town in South Australia famous for it's annual Christmas light display". Thoughts? Alphax &tau;&epsilon;&chi; 08:36, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Adelaide has been far more restrained in this regard then the other cities. Look at Sydney for example. I see nothing wrong with decent stubs for suburbs - a decent stub in my eyes being at least a few sentences long. It should provide basic information about its location (relative to Adelaide and its surrounding area), its postcode and its LGA. Anything less is liable to be speedily deleted. If you come across stubs of this sort, please ensure it has the WPANotice on its talk page to ward off the deletionist hoards (it's a Project tailsman, if you will). --Cyberjunkie | Talk 09:15, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I think we got around this quite nicely in Canberra. When we first did this for Australia with the Melbourne project, we ended up creating a lot of profoundly useless substubs to fill the void; when we did this more recently with Canberra, each suburb had at least a few sentences of information (name origin, year founded, population, location, street name theme if any, basic description of facilities), which didn't take too long to create, but at least made the stubs useful. Ambi 10:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Those things are easier to find for Canberra than for most places. We can also find Name Search geographic coordinates, federal electorate and state electorate. We could develop (steal) a template to show the neighbouring suburbs and populate them from the street directory. Most country towns are either on such-and-such highway or between two larger towns. --Scott Davis Talk 11:59, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Using a street directory, you can easily get a lot of basic info such as LGA, postcode, distance from CBD, dirn from CBD, adjacent suburbs aand boundaries, what are the closest schools, what landmarks are written in the street directory, large factories and train stations. With the stuff about buses, you can get the Metroguide from the Adelaide Metro office in Currie St in the city, and this is a street directory with the bus routes marked into it, so you know info about the public transport in the area. So you don't have to have even been there to be able to get some useful info. Blnguyen 01:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Does anybody know how to write IPA pronounciation so that we can tell people the places are not The Barton and Lobber-thall? --Scott Davis Talk 11:35, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't, but it's amazing how many Adelaideans you get saying "The Barton".--Cyberjunkie | Talk 11:08, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Outer Harbour/Harbor
Would anyone who enjoys doing this sort of thing like to edit the various references to Outer Harbour to make them Outer Harbor, and maybe set up a re-direct or two?

Correct spelling in 2005 is Outer Harbor. Check the Australia Post postcode guide, up-to-date street directory or Adelaide Metro timetables if you need to confirm.

I'm particularly thinking about various railway articles (some of which I've posted) that refer to Outer Harbo(u)r station or the Outer Harbo(u)r railway line. Some conscientious editors have 'corrected' my Harbor to Harbour & some wikilinks currently lead nowhere.

I'm not shying from this task myself, but don't want to waste time editing only to have my corrections reversed by enthusiastic but geographically-misguided wikipedians.

I'll most likely write the article on the Outer Harbor line in near future, unless I get too disgruntled with Wikipedia first.


 * I hope you don't get disgruntled. I think I'm one of the reverters, I apologise. My usual reference is the gazzetteer at Geoscience Australia. I see they do indeed spell it as Outer Harbor, and not Outer Harbour. --Scott Davis Talk 13:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I've fixed all I can find. --Scott Davis Talk 14:26, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for fixing. Just written an article on Outer Harbor railway station & working on the Outer Harbor railway line - will upload shortly EnglishElectric 12:02, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

SA Town Help
I created a subpage (on my page) tonight that I will be using as a quick way to get to the online sites that have pertinant info on towns.
 * It links firstly to the Wiki article (either blue or red link)
 * gives the postcode (I used the Postcodes article as the basis)
 * links to the the SA placenames site (linking as directly as possible for the townname)
 * links to the Geoscience page for that locality

I plan on linking to the State Library of SA, Manning Index, though this is somewhat more difficult to create the links efficiently. If you have other sites that you find are helpful, please let me know, at this page. I thought that some of you might find the page helpful as you work on the towns of SA. SauliH 07:15, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * That's a great and quick and easy resource! Good work SauliH! :)--Cyberjunkie | Talk 11:12, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I have complimentary pages at User:ScottDavis/plain town names. The intent is to delete blue links that point to redirects or disambig pages (or pages with otheruses templates to disambig pages) for the names. This helps readers searching for a placename to make sure they can find the right article without having to add a state name to their search. --Scott Davis Talk 14:12, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

The page was getting a little heavy to load, so it is now broken down alphabetically. There are now direct links to Google, Wilkins Travel, and Walkabout. I also introduced links to placenames at the State Library of SA, Manning Index for placenames from "A to C", and decided to stop. The links take quite some production, and the places are more borderline priority if a priority at all. If I find that these lower priority placename articles are getting written over time, I may continue to add some more links. The site is fairly easy to navigate, from the top page in any case.
 * SA Town Lookup page - Intro and then these are direct to the articles
 * A - B - C - D - E - F - G - H - I - J - K - L - M - N - O - P - QR - S - T - U - V - W - XYZ

Image use from SA Tourism
I went online to SA Tourism and found out they have an image bank. I requested permission to use their photos and images for wikipedia (specifically the Adelaide article), and gave them details how images are to be used. Images are free to be used on wikipedia, regardless of whether it is a commerical organisation or not, per my application. They however, requested the following:


 * All images and maps supplied are to be used strictly for the positive promotion of South Australia as a tourism and travel destination.
 * All images and maps are protected by copyright to the South Australian Tourism Commission.
 * All images, maps, video footage, logos and editorial text remain the property of the SATC.
 * This must appear on all the pages of all images from SA Tourism:

The South Australian Tourism Commission releases materials solely for the purpose of positive promotion of South Australia as a tourism and travel destination.

aswell as including a link back to South Australia

Login Details are:


 * Username: michae57
 * Password: password

Cheers, -  >>michaelg | talk 11:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Seems fine to me, but do they acknowledge educational purposes as constituting the "promotion of South Australia"? Also, although I haven't actually investigated, the main page says that the public gallery contains "copy-right free" images, in which case they really can't make any requests. Have fun at Schoolies by the way (and don't stagger near the Bluff!), --Cyberjunkie | Talk 13:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I specifically emailed them about it, giving them the details, all about wikipedia, im assuming the grant of my login details and permission to use makes it all a-ok. What's the best template to use? I'm using the run-of-the-mill copyright one right now, but I think   might be more appropriate. And I damn well will enjoy schoolies! I bloody deserve it! But out of interest, why no bluff staggering? Cheers, - [[Image:Flag of Australia.svg|24px]]  >>michaelg | talk 13:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Alma Hotel, Lobethal
Okay, this is a bit cheeky of me, but I'm wondering if anyone's passing through Lobethal, would they mind taking a photo of the Alma Hotel for me. My great great great great grandfather apparently established the hotel, and I'd love to have a photo for my genealogical records. Sorry for the unsolicited interuption, if I have overstepped the bounds of wiki-ettiquette, please be gentle. Cnwb 04:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

List of closed Adelaide railway stations
Hello, this appears to be a good reference when writing suburb articles to note the previous existence of a now defunct train service passing through a given suburb, w.r.t. noting the history/transport of the given suburb. Blnguyen 01:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Help!
With the state election on the horizon, I've started working on writing electorate articles and getting others up to scratch. One of those on my to-do list is the Clare Valley district of Frome. However, the list of members on the State Electoral Office website only covers the second and third of its incarnations (1938-1977 and 1993-present), not its first incarnation (1884-1902). I hate leaving gaps in my work, but I'm not sure how I could possibly find that information on my own.

Which is where I could really do with some assistance. Unfortunately, the State Electoral Office doesn't seem to have an email address for these sorts of things, but they do have a contact number for a Research Officer who could well be able to answer this question. It'd cost me a lot to call from interstate, and I'm notoriously bad at these things anyway, so is there any chance one of you might be able to help me out? It'd be much appreciated. Ambi 07:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Taken care of.--cj | talk 09:44, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Music
I've created music of Adelaide, if anyone is interested in working on it. I don't see where it should fit into the rating scheme on this project page. Tuf-Kat 18:43, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. I've been meaning to broaden this WikiProject's scope, so this will need to factored into a "culture" category.--cj | talk 09:44, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

New Suburb: Cheltenham, South Australia
Hi all, I just created an article on the suburb of Cheltenham. I've included as much information on it as I could find, with references. I would like a few people to have a glance at it, as I am relatively new to Wikipedia, and probably made a few glaring errors regarding formatting and layout.

Thank you. --Babij 10:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I had a wee look but there's still stuff to fix/add, some good content. If you want an example of an excellent article, look at Waterfall Gully, South Australia Maelgwn 12:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Good work Baij. Take a look over our Suburbs guide.--cj | talk 13:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

categories and sub-categories
Is it alright with everyone if articles that belong to a certain sub-category do not also belong to that super-category. Eg should an article about a rail-way station just be in Category:Railway stations in Adelaide? and not in Category:Transport in Adelaide? --Maelgwn 13:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes.--cj | talk 13:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

It says so here in guidelines about Categories and subcategories --Maelgwn 23:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Some editors have been overzealous in categorising articles (including me at one point). Category:Transport in Adelaide has needed a clean-up for a while. Thanks for going through the articles and correcting them - its a menial task. Happy editing, --cj | talk 04:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

River Torrens
Hello everybody. I have put a (incomplete) list of bridges crossing the Torrens into the article, which are relevant to the old City of Enfield, from which I am referring, and putting in the info about when it was created. Is this appropriate, or should there be a list?? Feel free to drop me a line.Blnguyen 07:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Morphett Vale or nearby
Hi, I was just wondering, is anyone here from Morphett Vale (5162) or any of the nearby suburbs? --User:Neoballmon
 * Am in a postcode a fair bit closer to 5000, but in the right direction! Donama 00:32, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Woodcroft (5162) here, can i help with something? --Oliyoung 04:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team cooperation
Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Tito xd (?!? - help us) 18:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I like the idea of having Wikipedia Version 1.0. I know the idea has been thrown around for some time, but making a static version would mean Wikipedia would lose many of its current advantages. To me, it is just not worth putting that much time into. The live project is a far higher priority. Donama 00:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevertheless, I've listed some articles from Adelaide and the other cities. If we ever decide to release print or disk editions of Wikipedia, the articles compiled by this project are the ones we would most likely use.--cj | talk 01:01, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that the concept is important, if Wikipedia is ever to become an accepted encyclopaedia. It is like the difference between running the nightly build or CVS version of Firefox (or any other "free" software) compared to running a QA'd and numbered release build. The CVS build is usually OK, but no promises that any particular feature (article here) works as expected (contains correct information with no vandalism) at any particular moment. It's a trade-off between having the latest edits and having a reliable, but dated set. Whether that project is going about the exercise the right way is a different question. Do we have a discussion page about which articles about Adelaide and South Australia we would like to get up to a standard? --Scott Davis Talk 10:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be too difficult to get the Adelaide article up to FA Quality. After Canberra, she's arguably the best of all Aussie cities. michael talk 12:52, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd agree with that assement. The WikiProject Canberra is certainly ahead, but Adelaide would have to be second behind it. Melbourne led in the early days, but it's essentially dormant now. Sydney's still chugging along, but is focusing on lists and similar. Perth is dominated by rail enthusiasts. Brisbane is being rekindled by Adz, whilst the rest never really had much hope.--cj | talk 11:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we need to start a list of articles we would like to have in Wikipedia 1.0. Their selection criteria appears to be based on article quality, not article subject, so to get an article in, we need to make sure it's up to scratch. In my view, the criteria for WP:Adelaide and South Australia articles should be based on what we find ourselves talking to overseas (or interstate) friends, colleagues, tourists etc about. Waterfall Gully might be an excellent article, but travelling overseas, it's not a topic that comes up in conversation nearly as often as History of South Australia, Olympic Dam or Barossa Valley for example. --Scott Davis Talk 04:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This is true. We should target the articles that would be of most interest to the reader (I'd love to see the Barossa Valley on the Main Page!). However, at present, we have a couple suburb articles very near FAC - we might as well push them through. Personally, I think that featuring Adelaide should be top priority for this project. --cj | talk 11:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Morialta
I've started an article for Morialta Conservation Park and would appreciate some copy editing, expansion etc. Kevin 12:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I may get around to it in time given reference sources (and my time/effort) can be found. Its a fair little article for now. michael talk 15:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Maps
Does anyone know of a capable (and willing) map maker on wikipedia? I need a crude paint-drawn map turned into something spectacular for use in the City of Burnside article. michael talk 06:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Martyman has been responsible for most of the maps used in Australian articles. However, he's been on wikibreak for quite a while. You might find it more useful to request help at WP:AWNB.--cj | talk 06:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had a look at Martyman but realised he hasn't edited for about a month! Thanks for the help cj! michael talk 06:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I am curreltly looking for a Map of Ascot Park but am afraid if I use any I have I will be violating copyright laws.. And since I am new at this I do not know that much.. Can you help?--Z3N 12:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You could ask Donama. He did up a splendid map of the City of Burnside. michael talk 12:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

University of Adelaide stubs
These may be appeopriate to merge into University of Adelaide, see: Paul foord 09:10, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Centre for Automotive Safety Research 01:47, 27 April 2006 DeFacto
 * Adelaide University Boat Club 19:54, 14 May 2006 Ozdaren
 * Adelaide University Sports Association 21:44, 16 December 2005 Ozdaren
 * Adelaide Law School 20:55, 18 November 2005 192.43.227.18
 * On Dit 3 August 2005 60.226.246.170

TransAdelaide page
I'm preparing an update to the TransAdelaide page (with info on the new Glenelg tram vehicles) & noticed another contributor has added some info into the 2000 / 2100-class railcar section. The wording certainly needs, tidying up which I'm happy to do. But I also question what level of detail is needed in a WP article.

Specific detail like car 2005 is coupled to 2013 and 2007 is now painted yellow and listing every possible way of coupling the carriages together is OK for a railfan bulletin board. But I doubt this is really appropriate for Wikipedia.

This level of info can quickly become out-of-date and unreliable, unless author has (1) access to real time info on TransAdelaide's railcar deployment, and (2) motivation to keep Wikipedia page up-to-date.

Just wanted to get other Wiki-opinions on approriate content before I edit the 2000/2100 section into a more general form.EnglishElectric 11:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Go for it. I'm currently trying to rewrite the O-Bahn article and figuring out what detail to include - its not easy. Be bold! michael talk 08:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

O-Bahn Busway
You can review the new article. michael talk 12:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Notice - planning Adelaide meetup
Just copying the message I posted on the WP:AWNB page last week (because not sure all participants here read that page):
 * For those of you in Adelaide or planning to be over the next few months, there appears to be interest in having a meeting of Adelaide Wikipedians, after the style of the Melbourne and Sydney meetups. Please see Meetup/Adelaide or add it to your watch list to get involved in this discussion. So far just 6 Adelaide Wikipedians have added their voices to the discussion there, but I sense there may be several more to speak up from Adelaide! Cheers &mdash; Donama 05:47, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Railway Stations or Interchanges ??
I've posted three new articles on the Bus/Rail Interchanges at Salisbury, Mawson Lakes and Noarlunga. I'll be adding Smithfield and Elizabeth in near future when I get out there for some photos.

Naming convention so far for rail stations has been "XXX railway station, Adelaide". For the larger Interchanges, I'm proposing naming the page "XXX Interchange" to be consistent with Adelaide Metro's policy in their signage, timetables and other publicity. For example - there is no Mawson Lakes station, it's Mawson Interchange. Same thing at Noarlunga and Salisbury. I don't know whether this will stuff up those elaborate Next Station devices that have been put into the railway station pages, hopefully not.

The list of Interchanges is at WikiProject Adelaide/Interchanges

P.S. I've added South Australia to Salisbury page title since there are plenty of other Salisburys around the world. But not to Noarlunga Centre or Tea Tree Plaza, as there's unlikely ever to be ambiguity there!EnglishElectric 13:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I haven't an opinion on the new titles, but I note that the page histories will need to be merged. Ian, please see Help:How to move a page. To rename articles, we use the move function in order to keep article histories intact and together.--cj | talk 15:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip - I'll see if I can merge those pages retrospectively & use this procedure when I upload the next lot.EnglishElectric 11:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, no. You need sysop privileges to merge the histories. I'll take care of it when I get the time.--cj | talk 12:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I've realised I don't have Admin access for this. I'll use the Move procedure when I upload the next couple of article.EnglishElectric 10:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've fixed the Mawson Lakes and Salisbury ones. --Scott Davis Talk 13:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Adelaide Parks and Gardens
The development of Category:Adelaide parks and gardens is coming along very well. I created the Parks and gardens project page. Hopefully someone local can review and perhaps add any parks or gardens missing from the list and refine the groundrules if necessary.--Takver 5 July 2005 02:20 (UTC)

I've written an article for Langman Reserve, a reserve/park located in the Burnside/Waterfall Gully area, would someone be able to do some touchups/edits and give it a checkup as well as it add it to the "Parks and Gardens" list? --Michael 17 August 2005 4:45

City of Norwood Payneham St. Peters
I just noticed that this page had been edited and moved to include the US full stop after "St". I was about to undo these changes, but it seems that the city name is actually "City of Norwood Payneham & St Peters" or possibly "City of Norwood, Payneham & St Peters". Could someone with local knowledge work out what the best name for the article is? JPD (talk) 10:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The 'St.' is not in the logo and its not on the website - so why was the article changed? michael talk 10:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Everywhere in council literature I can find ( and in a rates notice ) its City of Norwood Payneham & St Peters with no comma or US full stop. All references to St Peters ( school names etc... ) miss the full stop.- Peripitus (Talk) 11:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There are quite a few references including the comma, including the Local Government Association website, and it seems the meaning of the name requires a comma, but I woudl have thought we should use the name the council uses. Should I go ahead and add "&" to the appropriate articles and templates? JPD (talk) 11:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should bother. It'll be simply 'City of Norwood' soon enough, anyway. michael talk 11:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Infobox upheaval being discussed
A discussion is underway at Template talk:Infobox Australian Town which may potentially effect the future usage of geographical templates. Please take this into consideration when creating new articles. Thankyou TheJosh 12:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 16:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Recent Update to Bus Routes
I think most are aware of the Recent Update to bus routes by Adelaide Metro to various routes such as the 243 now the M44 and the 241 bus not continuing on it's old route. With any articles containing information on old bus routes should be updated. I am currently making changes but I am most likely to make errors. Help would be great. --Posted by The Doctor-&quot;Would you like a Jelly Baby?&quot; 01:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Template:WP Adelaide notice
the above probably shldn't have WikiProject Adelaide tasks: linking to some game-boy crap, but not sure where it shld. (it's been like that since the template was created:) &rArr; bsnowball  17:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've fixed this to point to Template:Adelaide tasks which seems consistant with some other of this type of talk page banner - Peripitus (Talk) 21:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Glenelg, South Australia
I've been working a bit on this article for the last few days, and have added a fair amount of beef to it, but I feel I've reached the limit of my knowledge. If anyone else could expand the article, it would be much appreciated. Cheers. -AtD 14:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)