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Tom Flanagan
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Tom Flanagan (political scientist). Elizium23 (talk) 05:06, 7 December 2010 (UTC) (Using )

10th Birthday Party in Edmonton
I didn't create this, an IP with only one contribution did. But, I saw on the 10th Anniversary page that there is a meet up scheduled for the Remedy Café in Edmonton on the evening of January 15. More information at ten:Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. 117Avenue (talk) 07:35, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Winterburn Road
has been prodded for deletion. 64.229.101.119 (talk) 06:39, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

AfDs: various Alberta place articles
Be advised that various Alberta place articles have been nominated for deletion. You can review and comment here. Hwy43 (talk) 20:32, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Kananaskis split
I've initiated a discussion on a potential split of Kananaskis, Alberta. For details, see Talk:Kananaskis, Alberta#Potential split. Your input is appreciated. Please provide your input on that talk page instead of here. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 06:10, 1 May 2011 (UTC)



Wabasca-Desmarais move
I've requested the move of Wabasca-Desmarais, Alberta → Wabasca, Alberta. Discussion is here. Hwy43 (talk) 04:41, 2 May 2011 (UTC)



Canmore move
A requested move from Canmore, Alberta → Canmore (and Canmore → Canmore (disambiguation) has been proposed. Discussion is here. Hwy43 (talk) 07:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Alberta will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Alberta's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 23:38, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Leduc-Nisku Economic Development Authority
Leduc-Nisku Economic Development Authority (EDA) has been the subject of much promotional, non-neutral POV editing as of late, some if not all done by those with a COI (i.e., apparent EDA representatives). I've justed cleaned the article up in a neutral, non-promotional tone, adding references (albeit most being primary sources). I'm seeking additional help from within the community to watch this article over the next week (particularly as the EDA returns to business hours tomorrow), further improve the article, add a logo to the infobox, etc. Thanks in advance, Hwy43 (talk) 06:24, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Chinchaga fire
Started an article here:User:The Interior/Chinchaga fire, on Alberta/Canada's largest recorded wildfire. Albertans welcome to edit! The Interior (Talk) 01:11, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Featured article candidate
The article about She Has a Name, a play by an Albertan playwright, is a current featured article candidate. If you would be willing to review the article, your comments at the discussion would be greatly appreciated. Neelix (talk) 12:50, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Olympics-hidy-howdy.jpg
image:Olympics-hidy-howdy.jpg has been nominated for deletion- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 01:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Remand centres wildcat strike
Shouldn't there be an article on the wildcat strike? This is major ongoing news, and I thought Albertan wikipedians would have posted rolling updates on it, but I've found very little apart from a paragraph on the Alberta Union of Public Employees page.173.179.169.167 (talk) 15:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTNEWS would likely apply. Certainly this is a newsworthy story that would probably be covered by WikiNews if that project wasn't such a pathetic joke (but that's a different rant), but from an encyclopedic/historical standpoint, I doubt this is any different than any other recent job action.   Now, we often do blur the lines between news content and encyclopedic content, so I'm not going to say that nobody should start an article.  But I can see why nobody has bothered. Resolute 16:25, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Indian Reserve articles
With the current attention on Indian Reserve articles, I would like to bring up a few of my thoughts. It needs to be determined which articles should exist, how they are named, and how broad the topic discussed in them are. I think others agree that there does not need to be 137 articles, one for each listed on List of Indian reserves in Alberta, as many are unpopulated, and not notable. I propose we find a way to merge the articles, I see three or four options. By name, so that Stoney is on Stoney 142, Stoney 142B, Stoney 143, and Stoney 144, and separate articles exist on Tsu K'adhe Túe 196F and Tsu Nedehe Tue 196H. By number, so that Indian Reserve 196, is on Fitzgerald No. 196, Thabacha Náre 196A, and Tthe Jere Ghaili 196B, and separate articles exist on Woodland Cree 226, Woodland Cree 227, and Woodland Cree 228. By First Nations, so that Dene Tha' First Nation is on Amber River 211, Bistcho Lake 213, and Hay Lake 209, and separate articles exist on the four Nations in Eden Valley 216. Or the best fit is determined for every case. I think that they should almost all be merged into their First Nation, but this means getting rid of a lot of articles that currently exist. 117Avenue (talk) 05:11, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


 * There is past consensus that all census subdivisions warrant their own articles, but as mentioned elsewhere only 81 of Alberta's 137 IRs are recognized as such. I agree there does not need to be 137 articles. My suggestion would be that each First Nation have its own article and to redirect all IRs to their applicable FN article. Within each section, I suggest there be a separate section on each reserve belonging to the FN. Hwy43 (talk) 05:23, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Napoleon Trails Gravesite
Napoleon Trails Gravesite could do with some TLC from someone with local knowledge, please - not least to provide its coordinates. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:15, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Blue Quill dab page started
I don't know if there's anything else that should go on it; definitely a short bio of Chief Blue Quill is needed, though.Skookum1 (talk) 14:37, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Francophones
Any francophones or francophiles from the Edmonton area? The Annual French Congress of Alberta will be held on October 18th and 19th at the Shaw Conference Centre and I already applied to have a booth for Wikimedia Canada at the Fair on French services. Also the month of October is the International Francophone Contribution Month on Wikipedia, so I'd like to organize a Contribution Day (edithaton) sometimes during this weekend to improve the articles about Alberta in French (a lot of them are translated in other languages, but not in French which is sad in my opinion considering French is the second official language of Canada), so if any of you is interested and speak or like the French language, please contact me. Thanks, Amqui (talk) 15:38, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Maps of Alberta regions
Hello, I'm creating a new section here because I just translated articles of the regions of Alberta on the French Wikipedia and I got a problem from the English one. I added the current maps of the regions on their respective French language articles, and since I think they look a bit ugly and lack of details, I wanted to do SVG versions of them. The only problem is I can't find any ressource on the web about the regions, and by extension any definition of their limits. How were the current maps made if there is no official administrative region? How the limits are decided? I mean, even the map of Northern Alberta doesn't look like the map of the Northern Alberta Development Council (and I do'nt know what sources would justify the use of those limits instead the ones I find on other maps all over the web). I also found other regions of Alberta (letting alone the ones of the list of regions), which confused me even more. And Alberta's regions don't seem to have been officially defined.

I also noticed that regions and sometimes subregions names are used in the Settlement Infobox of articles about communities. Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt those regions actually exist, the only problem is their limits and the lack of existing criteria for defining them (due to lack of definitive boundaries or sources about them in Wikipedia and Internet). Another problem could be the relevance of naming them in the infobox if the boundaries are not definined with some reliable sources. I searched a lot on the Internet but I don't find anything helping, maybe because I'm not specialist of the area.

In short, I'm looking for help for two things:
 * 1) How doing precise SVG maps of the regions of Alberta? Is it only possible?
 * 2) Is their use in the Settlement Infobox for Albertanian settlement really relevant and sourced for each one? Is their any pre-existing rules about the "region" and "subregion" fields?

Answering those questions may also help to improve the French Wikipedia. I thought to ask about it in this wikiproject because this question is very narrow. It also may improve on this Wikipedia itself. Thanks in advance for any help! :) — Foldo Squirrel (nuts?) 22:07, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The current delineation of Alberta's regions has bothered me since I began editing. From past research in revision histories and talk page discussions, it appears Alberta's regions on Wikipedia are delineated based on a previous incarnation of Travel Alberta's tourism regions. Travel Alberta's current incarnation differs from the previous (see a few pages into this), and they certainly don't appear to follow municipal boundaries. The most officially-defined and recently-defined regional boundaries by Alberta that follow municipal boundaries are its land-use framework (LUF) planning regions. The Capital Region and the Calgary Region are then metropolitan sub-regions within the North Saskatchewan and South Saskatchewan regions respectively. Hwy43 (talk) 02:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Here are very quick and dirty maps that show the difference between the current regions as described on Wikipedia and Alberta's LUF regions in greater detail with other geographic features shown for context (the Calgary-Edmonton Corridor in the former, the CRP and CRB boundaries in the latter, and StatCan census consolidated subdivision boundaries in both). Hwy43 (talk) 05:46, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks you for the maps and the informations! So does it mean some current articles on Wikipedia of the regions of Alberta are going to be renammed or deleted? And what about the use of no real administrative regions in the settlement infoboxes of Alberta communities? — Foldo Squirrel (nuts?) 16:56, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Renaming or deleting the current Alberta region articles and the use of region article links within settlement infoboxes would require discussion and consensus. With the above now presented, I'd be interested in hearing from others in the community if there is a will to go down this route. In the meantime, the current use of regions within the settlement infoboxes should remain. Hwy43 (talk) 21:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I thought the six regions meant more than just Travel Alberta tourism districts, guess Wikipedia fooled me. 117Avenue (talk) 02:51, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * They are more than those no question as there is northern, central, southern and the Rockies in the colloquial sense, but their boundaries have never been officially delineated by any other provincial ministry or agency as far as I know. The conclusion I've drawn is someone snapped Travel Alberta's previous regional boundaries to rural municipal boundaries so the sum of each equals the whole of the province. I certainly wouldn't call any iteration of Travel Alberta's conceptual regional boundaries as official, but alas here we are today. Hwy43 (talk) 23:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * After almost two months of waiting, I think enough feedback time has been given for this topic. For the reasons we talked about above, I propose to remove the links for regions of Alberta within the within settlement infoboxes and adding a recommandation about it in the template documentation. I also suggest to add to add the origin of the regions for each article about them. I'm wondering about what to do with the old articles about the regions themselves, though. Should we merge them into a list? — Foldo Squirrel (nuts?) 10:35, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Can you elaborate on what kind of recommendation you intend to add to the template documentation? Also, it is not clear what your are suggesting in the balance of the above. Merging old region articles into a list appears to be contradictory to adding origins to each region article. Hwy43 (talk) 08:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I was thinking about recommanding to not add regions in the infobox when they are not officials. At least for Alberta. Of course, they could be added in the main part of the article. — Foldo Squirrel (nuts?) 14:52, 17 August 2013 (UTC)


 * So the northern, central, southern and Rockies regions will be removed from community infoboxes but the Calgary and Edmonton Capital regions will remain in community infoboxes? Hwy43 (talk) 23:23, 17 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes. And it could avoid multiples unofficial regions for a same municipality or district. — Foldo Squirrel (nuts?) 11:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I think they could be merged into some sort of Travel Alberta article. 117Avenue (talk) 22:36, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Or a tourism regions section at Tourism in Alberta? Northern, central, southern and the Rockies could be redirected there after the merger, and the Edmonton Capital and Calgary regions could be summarized there as well, but their articles should stay as they are more than tourism regions; they were originally founded as and remain metro region articles. Hwy43 (talk) 05:16, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Travel Alberta being "just" a ministry while Tourism in Alberta is a more general topic about Alberta, I would rather suggest to merge the articles of the former and out-of-date boundaries in the Travel Alberta article, and maybe mentioning them quickly in the Tourism in Alberta one. — Foldo Squirrel (nuts?) 14:52, 17 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Alberta Tourism, Parks and Recreation is the ministry and Travel Alberta is its marketing organization, but I understand. The difficulty I'm having is there being no alternative regions proposed to replace the current. Hwy43 (talk) 23:23, 17 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Looking at List of regions of Canada, it appears unofficial regions are not limited to Alberta. I'm leaning towards not removing them from infoboxes at minimum, and potentially keeping the four unofficial region articles. Hwy43 (talk) 23:31, 17 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think we need replacement regions. The 19 census subdivisions are already used in infoboxes, and we're already using File:Canada Alberta location map 2.svg. We'll just need categories set up. 117Avenue (talk) 06:12, 18 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree with 117Avenue. We can keep the unofficial regions of the List of regions of Canada, as long as people are informed enough. But for infoboxes, I rather think the unofficial regions should be removed because it could confuse people confuse people into thinking they are official (which they aren't). — Foldo Squirrel (nuts?) 11:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Provincial shield available for use without restriction or permission
FYI, starting Monday, September 9. Hwy43 (talk) 21:29, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

John Edward Brownlee
There is an ongoing featured topic candidacy for the articles relating to John Edward Brownlee, a former premier of Alberta. Any constructive contributions you would be willing to provide would be greatly appreciated. Neelix (talk) 15:26, 1 October 2013 (UTC)