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Algeria-related articles needing geographical coordinates
Based on a search of Wikipedia's articles related to Algeria, I've found some articles that I believe are about places in Algeria, and could usefully have geographical coordinates added.

The articles in question are listed in Category:Algeria articles missing geocoordinate data. At the time of writing, some examples included:
 * 1) Amdoukal
 * 2) Aïn Abid District
 * 3) Bounoura District
 * 4) Constantine Province
 * 5) El Abiodh Sidi Cheikh District
 * 6) Lycée El Idrissi
 * 7) Sidi Bel Abbès Province

...and there are many more, as well. At the time of posting this notice, there were 464 articles in this category needing geographical coordinates.

Why add coordinates?
By adding coordinates, a Wikipedia reader can easily view the location on a street map, nautical chart, topographic map, by satellite photo, realtime weather map, and in many other ways. Coordinate data makes an article eventually appear in various services such as Google Maps' Wikipedia overlay, Google Earth, and Wikipedia's own internal map service. Coordinate data also helps readers looking for geographically-based data, such as locations near a reference point, or related information.

How can I do it?
The articles are all marked with coord missing tags, which need to be replaced with coord tags that contain the location's latitude/longitude coordinates; or you might be able to add coordinates to an existing infobox. You can find out how to do this at the Geocoding how-to for WikiProject members. Please let me know if this is useful, or if you have any questions! -- The Anome (talk) 09:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Chadli Bendjedid
I've blanked the "Politics" section of the Chadli Bendjedid article, since it was completely unreferenced and opinion oriented. See this diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chadli_Bendjedid&diff=331066127&oldid=331066062. If anyone has any references though, feel free to readd the info. — V = I * R  (talk to Ω) 10:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot
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Houari Boumediene
This article uses several different spellings of his name, such as Boumedienne, Boumédiene, Boumédiène, and others. Is there an agreed standard spellling? Colonies Chris (talk) 20:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Listing French name in lead in Algeria article
A user argues that the French name Algérie should be excluded from the Algeria article since French is a "foreign" language in Algeria. I argue that French, despite not being official, is significant in Algerian society and has been used in a de facto manner by the current Algerian government, despite Arabization attempts to remove French. The previous discussion is at User_talk:Dzlinker - Some information about the nuances of language in Algeria is located at Languages of Algeria WhisperToMe (talk) 04:18, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't think of many examples where a language is widely spoken at a national level without being official. It would be a good idea to find other cases like this and decide accordingly. The situation in Tunisia and Morocco is similar, and in both cases the French names are used in the lead section, but that's not much of a precedent. If I were to base my decision only on those two, I would say it should be included in the Algeria article, too.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 19:18, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm also in favor of including French in Morocco and Tunisia. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:48, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * If there is no opposing output in seven days I am going to presume that there is consensus for French in Algeria WhisperToMe (talk) 23:28, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * yes i think that the french is a foreign language in Algeria, but in some cases is Very useful for example: إقلي or إجلي or إكلي We can not identify the proper pronunciation only through the french writing (Igli), I think that in this case what applies to the arab language applies to English. for this, I propose the deletion except in cases similar to the previous example Trabelsiismail (talk) 22:56, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Even though the Algerian government doesn't declare French as an official language it also uses it in many UN meetings; as I wrote in the Languages of Algeria article: "Of the documents submitted by the Algerian government to the sessions of the United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names and the United Nations Conferences on the Standardization of Geographical Names were in French, and the government used French in its participation in almost all of the conferences associated with these groups." WhisperToMe (talk) 23:58, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Another thing is that there are two elements of Algerian society - More westernized and bilingual people are in favor of bilingualism in Arabic and French while the Islamists and Arabists are in favor of Arabic monolingualism, so there is a political undercurrent to this debate. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not think you understand the subject well, French language used because there is a third language (Tamazight) we not talking about it.


 * Arabic language written, with cultural and geographical extension.
 * Amazigh language is not written and in disappearing.

During the reign of Liamine Zéroual there have been attempts to Arabize administration and university studies but the political circumstances and the attempt to create chaos in the Kabylie by some quarters prompted the government to reverse its decisions and the use of French as an intermediate language. This does not mean adoption as an official language and that's what Algeria explained through withdrawal from the membership of the Francophonie a few years later Trabelsiismail (talk) 08:34, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I am aware that the Algerian government doesn't declare French as official but despite that it uses French anyway (de facto means in reality). Do you have references that support the details about French being preserved in order to placate Kabylie? WhisperToMe (talk) 13:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Came to page via Wikiproject:Africa talk page, so not Algeria specific interests. My reading of WP:NCGN does not seem to say that only official names can go in the first sentence (it specifically says "Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted"). The question being discussed above about whether French is a foreign language seems unimportant to me, the question is whether it is useful to add for the reader on English wikipedia. Luckily, professional encyclopedia editors have already answered the question for us. See Brittanica here for Algiers, where they clearly give the Arabic and French names, following the English name. We don't have to follow this convention, but when our focus is on readability rather than some fuzzy idea of what a "foreign language" is, I think including French becomes fully justified. (I think the same about Tamazight, by the way). For another case, see Mauritania. Hope that helps. AbstractIllusions (talk) 22:29, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I never said that french take the place of the Tamazight language, I mean that the government used french for administrative transactions instead of Arabic, Because there are some parties tried to exploit the multi-ethnicity of Algeria to provoke conflict. The proof is, the constitutional amendment, which was considered Amazigh language as an official language of the Republic of Algeria although no actual use as a written or issuance of documents language. (sorry, i have a bad level in english) Trabelsiismail (talk) 11:27, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, Abstract is arguing that Tamazight should also be included in addition to French. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Does this mean everyone is satisfied with the inclusion of French? Should I just add the French "Algérie" to the lead of the article now (and likewise "Alger" to the lead of Algiers)? WhisperToMe (talk) 05:15, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not Trabelsiismail (talk) 22:18, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I support the inclusion of the French names in the articles of this wikiproject.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Since there seems to be differences in opinion, do you think an RFC would be a good idea? WhisperToMe (talk) 22:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I did an RFC by notifying the NPOV noticeboard Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard - This was not due to any Wikipedian user conduct, but rather because there is a POV dispute within Algerian society on how important French should be (secularists and wealthy vs. Islamists) WhisperToMe (talk) 07:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * One said that the NPOV solution is to consider whether the alternate language names would be useful to an English speaker and not trying to think in territorial terms. Because French is used very extensively in Algerian society then it would be useful for an English speaker to know French names of Algerian places, Algerian government agencies, etc. Another clarified that it may be better to just ask "is it spoken?" WhisperToMe (talk) 18:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

From my understanding the consensus is towards including French in Algeria-related articles, since at the NPOV noticeboard the responders said the question is not to consider whether French is "Algerian" or "foreign" but strictly whether it is "useful" and/or whether it is spoken there, and considering its proliferation in Algerian society it is "useful." WhisperToMe (talk) 05:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)


 * problem is the translation fr :en, neutrality is important--Calise (talk) 11:31, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Living people on EN wiki who are dead on other wikis
The following individuals who are in the scope of this project are showing to be alive on the English wiki, but deceased on another language wiki:


 * Maurice El Mediouni: ar:وفيات 2012
 * Taïeb Boulahrouf: fr:Décès en 2005

Please help to find reliable sources to confirm if these individuals are alive or dead, or correct any mis-categorization on the relevant foreign-language article(s). Please see WP:LIVINGDEAD for more info and raise any issues on the talkpage. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 17:55, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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Houda Darwish
Is there any possibility that someone might look at Houda Darwish and see if any more can be added to the article ... borderline notable novelist / poet / journalist. It would be great if her article could be rescued from a likely AfD. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:44, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

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willandmac and my page Poverty in Algeria
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Thanks!--Willandmac (talk) 03:54, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

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User script to detect unreliable sources
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Source for the number of Kabyle speakers
Do we have recent reliable sources for the number of Kabyle speakers in Algeria and abroad? See the discussion here: Talk:Kabyle_language. Feedback welcome! a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 09:54, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

RfC
Hello, seeking comment on scope of Kabyle myth article. إيان (talk) 07:41, 20 February 2023 (UTC)