Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Alternative views/Archive 4

RfC notice: transhumanist politics
There is a Request for Comment at the Talk page for transhumanist politics. The Transhumanist Party recently finished an American bus tour – should it be mentioned in the "History" section of the article? –Haptic-feedback (talk) 07:05, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Water fluoridation
Hi folks! They could sure use a few eyes over at Water fluoridation. Please have a quick look at the history and please drop by Talk:Water fluoridation to share your thoughts. Many, many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:11, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

holocaust revisionism
Would talk:holocaust revisionism fall in this project's scope? Trying to father input on what to name or how to present an article conservatively designed to highlight basic reliably publicized changes in statistical estimates of death counts or camp sites. Basically to cover legitimate revisionism rather than the illegitimate kind which often needs to negationism or denialism.

People seem to think a source need s to use the exact phrase to be counted in a field and can't acknowledge a changed number estimate is a revisionist. --Ranze (talk) 08:47, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Electronic Harassment article
The alternative view of those who claim to be targeted individuals (TIs) is being described as a delusion at the electronic harassment article. I have tried to change that but failed, despite a Washington Post article Mind Games that is acceptable as a reliable source. Any assistance would be welcome. (for some reason I cannot give you a link to the Wikipedia "Electronic Harassment" article) Jed Stuart (talk) 04:22, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

New account possibly not understanding scope
is adding the project template to people from Jerry Fallwell to Mussolini, and to White Supremacy. Perhaps someone from the project could check the additions and advise him? Thanks. Doug Weller talk 18:08, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * And an IP, - to the KKK article, Margaret Thatcher, atheism, Hitler, etc.  Doug Weller  talk 18:10, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The account has been blocked, and the account's edits and IP's edits reverted. Johnuniq (talk) 00:20, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

RfC here...
RfC here SPECIFICO talk  15:29, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

The Nuanced different between Alternative and Competing views
Eaterjolly (talk) 09:54, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * This argument of mine is irrelevant, because it was based on the false premise of scope. This project's scope is limited to fields of endeavor, not strictly any "views".Eaterjolly (talk) 00:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Biocentric universe
There is a deletion debate here at Biocentric universe that involves whether major mainstream sources are adequate or if top science journals are always required as a source. It's over a heavily covered alternative thought in mainstream press. Lots of highly anti-alternative people involved and vocal. May be of interest. Grump International (talk) 03:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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Clarify in the Scope: Field versus not Field
I propose clarifying: etc..
 * Theology is a field, religion is not.
 * Political Science is a field, politics is not.
 * Philosophy is a field, spirituality is not.

Also seems like a lot of these articles are about minority religions, political stances, people with lots of different unrelated views, etc.

I think it would be best to start removing articles which aren't either about a view itself or a major developer of a view. Individuals, organizations, and media designed to promote these ideas should not be included. 12.168.201.132 (talk) 07:02, 10 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I've reverted you at the NWO conspiracy theory talk page, that's still poly sci. Doug Weller talk 07:20, 10 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I've reverted you at some articles. The way you are defining "field" is odd in some of these cases; for example, this one. It is easy to argue that a conspiracy theory is a field, and a list of them is just an extension of that. If the view is an alternative and a minority view, then there's a good chance it should be tagged as such on the talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:27, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments on RfC Donald Trump requested
There is currently an RfC about the outcome of the presidential election here. Participation would be appreciated. This project is being contact because it is listed as one of the projects on the Donald Trump talk page. Thanks. SW3 5DL (talk) 17:03, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

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Blue quartz
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WikiProject Chiropractic
Just started a new wikiproject. Since this project touches shares a small amount of pages with it, some people on this project might be interested in joining, soI figured I'd post here. WP:CHIROPRACTIC. S EMMENDINGER  ( talk ) 13:02, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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Scope question: morality and ethics
Does "moral philosophy" count as a "field" and, by extension, would "alternative morals" fall under the scope of "alternative views"?

2600:1702:1740:2CA0:BD29:37B9:F5AE:274E (talk) 19:51, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, to the extent that it is notable. The project has a broad scope, ranging from the sciences to the humanities, including moral philosophy. Tim Smith (talk) 04:52, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Move Alternative Views to Alternative views
Hmmm. I noticed that the name of this project is Alternative views, but the project banner read Alternative Views, leading to a redirect to the project. I thought I'd move the project banner name to match the project name. After I did that I realised that a number of pages and categories linked to the project were also named Alternative Views. I started to change these, then realised what a task I had set myself, and it's now nearly 3 in the morning in the UK, and I wished I'd not started this! At this point I don't know if it's best to roll back everything I've done, or to continue. But whichever way it's going to be, I think it needs some discussion and consensus, and that I should stop messing about. I'll check back here later on today to see what people think should be done. SilkTork (talk) 01:47, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I've restored everything. If there's anything I missed, please let me know, and I'll rectify it. SilkTork (talk) 09:06, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Archives
I have organised the archives so they are now in date order and in three pages linked from the talkheader box at the top of the page. There are now just three archive pages instead of 21, and I have archived the discussions on this page up to the start of this year. I have removed the old archive box as it just duplicates the archive list in the talkheader box. SilkTork (talk) 09:51, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, SilkTork! Tim Smith (talk) 04:58, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

RfC on List of cryptids
I am letting you know of an rfc to merge List of cryptids. Which ever way the wind blows you are welcome to join in. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:00, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the notice; I've added my opinion and encourage others to do the same. List of cryptids is our 33rd most viewed article (out of over 1,300 in WikiProject Alternative views). Tim Smith (talk) 01:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion
A discussion of interest to the members of this project can be found at Talk:Conspiracy theory. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:06, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Conspiracy theory lead RfC
Editor input is requested at Talk:Conspiracy theory. Thank you. Leviv&thinsp;ich 20:21, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Proposal to blacklist Natural News
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"Great Replacement" move discussion
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Proposal to merge WikiProject Alternative views into WikiProject Skepticism
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