Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Animal rights/Archive 4

WikiProject Rodeo is a thing
I'm not affiliated with this project, but looks like WikiProject Rodeo is now a thing. I imagine it has some overlap with WikiProject Animal rights, albeit contentious. They have one taskforce, Bull riding which has its own talk page template WikiProject Bull riding, separate from WikiProject Rodeo. --Nessie (📥) 16:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Wiki veg bias?
Is there bias toward vegetarian articles? I've created articles related to vegetarian food and the response has been negative. My article about celebrity chef Toni Fiore is flagged "may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies." My article about chef Miyoko Schinner is flagged "reads like a press release or a news article or is largely based on routine coverage or sensationalism." My article about vegan columnist Draft:Avery Yale Kamila is rejected for "do not show significant coverage" when article has 23 secondary sources. I was told too many sources. Now my article Green Elephant Vegetarian Bistro "is being considered for deletion." First it was flagged "contains content that is written like an advertisement." My skill set is research not writing. That could be the problem. I am interested in others thoughts. BrikDuk (talk) 08:39, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * My opinion is that in Wikipedia the bias is against paid editors doing work to promote a brand. I think that your content is getting heavy-handed treatment because biographies of people in food and restaurant articles so often come from PR agencies who have an objective to publish promotional content. I have never seen evidence that the Wikipedia community has attracted a subset of users who would specifically seek out this kind of content to bother it related to vegan ideology in any comparable situation.
 * I reviewed all your content. I think it is all better than most other submissions we get. I encourage you to continue doing as you are. Thanks for writing all this and thanks for posting to this WikiProject.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  12:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)


 * This is helpful. I thank you. I didn't think about the PR agencies. That makes sense. I created all articles because I searched for information on the subjects and Wikipedia had no information but I did not know how controversial article creation is. I have other vegetarian articles I want to create and will continue to work on because of your helpful explanation.BrikDuk (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I have looked over some of the articles you created they are quite good because they cite reliable secondary sources, if someone put them up for a deletion I would defend them. I don't think they should be deleted but some of them contain unreliable sources. The problem is when you start citing links like vegnews or plantbasednews, london.vegfest, these fail WP:RS and you may be criticized for promoting a specific point of view. Best to stick to independent reliable sources. Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:53, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. This is helpful to me. When I first started, I thought I needed citations for all facts. Also did not know vegnews and plantbasednews are considered unreliable. Appreciate it. Thank you. BrikDuk (talk) 10:25, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I have seen some of your troubles, and I’m sorry it’s been bumpy. It’s fantastic that you are persisting.  Like anywhere, there are folks who are grumpy about one thing or another, but on the whole enwiki seems less vegephobic than other places.  I’ve had similar types of issues in the past on non-veg topics.  Some folks have a hard time not biting the newbies, and the templates can seem harsh and final. Though notice that the AFD on the Green Elephant only has one delete vote, and a few editors helped to improve the article in the meantime.  Remember that we’re here too, so don’t be afraid to ask us to take a look at anything.  --awkwafaba (📥) 14:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Glad to hear enwiki less vegephobic. It is good to learn how all this works. It reminds me of learning a new language. Appreciate your help. BrikDuk (talk) 17:52, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Animal Products in Pharmaceuticals
Hi there,

I submitted a page called "Animal Products in Pharmaceuticals" and it was declined partially because the article mentions soap, which is considered a pharmaceutical by the US FDA. I would really appreciate any help or advice on moving forward with this page. I know the page needs work but was hoping to just get things started. I have added a stub tag in hopes that it can at least be considered a stub.

Thanks in advance!

Skubydoo (talk) 22:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Vegetarian pages targeted for deletion
Thank you for explaining why food and restaurant articles get nominated for deletion and rejected more often. My articles keep being targeted for deletion. But one article I created earned "Keep" after nomination for deletion, and one was deleted. Then I created an article about a former vegetarian restaurant from the 1970s The Hollow Reed with six citations of notability. It is nominated for speedy deletion for "No indication of importance." I am confused. Feeling discouraged. Not sure if I should keep trying. In the comment above I read about page stub tag. Does that help? What am I doing wrong? BrikDuk (talk) 23:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I think you need to take this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Veganism and Vegetarianism instead, but I'll take a stab at it. I looked at a few of your articles (The Hollow Reed, Henry Aiken Worcester, Green Elephant Vegetarian Bistro, Vegan school meal and probably some more that I already closed on my browser). Seems like every article is about vegan. Old man... not really notable... but you have his "diet" mentioned. Restaurant... is vegetarian... but it also serves lobster. I think what you're missing is that you should first identify if the subject of your planned article is actually notable, then as an aside you can write about their vegan diet or their vegan menu. But you can't decide "oh here's a vegan thingy, let's write an article". Because every time you do that, someone will try to knock it off Wikipedia because it's not notable. "Poor quality article" is not really a reason to delete (because it can be fixed), but "not notable" will get your article deleted every time (no amount of editing can fix it if the subject isn't notable to begin with). Maybe you should read the notability guidelines one more time, then find a bunch of "other restaurant" articles (not vegan) and skim through them to see how they are different or similar to your articles. In other words, be the evaluator of some other articles; that will really help you to understand how the notability guidelines might apply to that type of article. Normal Op (talk) 06:26, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Replacing the main project template image?
Is there a reason why we're using a picture of a baboon for this project? From what I've seen, there is a tendency to focus on granting rights to the more human-like and intelligent non-human animals. I think a better nonhuman animal to represent this project would be a chicken or a fish, due to the sheer numbers of them harmed on a daily basis and the fact that their interests and well-being are often ignored. Throughthemind (talk) 10:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Select and propose a few images. I am up for considering a change.  Blue Rasberry   (talk) 14:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It would need to be cropped. Chickens: Ferma_niosek_segmentowych_(33413147908).jpg Ferma_niosek_segmentowych_(33413020538).jpgFerma_niosek_segmentowych_(32346732077).jpgFerma_niosek_segmentowych_(32346801507).jpgFerma_niosek_segmentowych_(32347012667).jpgFerma_niosek_segmentowych_(47236652242).jpgFot_Andrew_Skowron_._(48366254681).jpg Fish: Oncorhynchus_gilae_in_net.jpg Throughthemind (talk) 14:44, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

New article about "Elephanta Mara" just released
I have created in my sandbox this article about the elephant Mara, which has just been released after 55 years of captivity in zoos and circuses in Argentina. I'm looking for participation from other editors because I have some doubts about the writing and denomination in English. Is it right to call the article "Elephanta Mara"? or is better "Mara Elephant"?

Thanks for your help --3erres (talk) 17:13, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for creating the article. I the subject just meets WP:GNG, and the article title should probably be Mara (elephant). Please see WP:NPOV, and I don't understand the relevance of the fourth footnote. Good luck and all the best,  Mini  apolis  02:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

RfC: Reliability of PETA
Opinions are needed on the following Reliable sources/Noticeboard. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 03:09, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

RfC: Removing every image from horse slaughter article
Opinions are needed on the following Talk:Horse slaughter#RfC: Removing every image from horse slaughter article. Mariolovr (talk) 18:00, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Update to peer review page
Hi all, I've boldly updated your project's peer review page (WikiProject Animal rights/Peer Review) by updating the instructions and archiving old reviews.

The new instructions use Wikipedia's general peer review process (WP:PR) to list peer reviews. Your project's reviews are still able to be listed on your local page too.

The benefits of this change is that review requests will get seen by a wider audience and are likely to be attended to in a more timely way (many WikiProject peer reviews remain unanswered after years). The Wikipedia peer review process is also more maintained than most WikiProjects, and this may help save time for your active members.

I've done this boldly as it seems your peer review page is pretty inactive and I am working through around 90 such similar peer review pages. Please feel free to discuss below - please ping me in your response.

Cheers and hope you are well, Tom (LT) (talk) 00:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Adding speciesism in Discrimination article
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Species has been included in the discrimination article with appropriate description in the lede. This was debated in a earlier discussion and one editor opined that species should be included only after adding a description about it in the lede para. Since both OED (1985) and Merriam-Webster's define "speciesism" as discrimination, this has been added to the article. Views welcome. Rasnaboy (talk) 02:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. MaynardClark (talk) 02:52, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Wondering why it should not be included in the main article, when we have sources (including dictionaries) clearly calling it as discrimination. Also see current discussion at Rasnaboy (talk) 03:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. I definitely support seeing speciesism included in our article on discrimination, but I'm afraid I don't have the time to contribute to the discussion at the moment. I can help dig up sources if it's needed; I know that literature (i.e., the speciesism literature) well. Just drop me a line. Josh Milburn (talk) 09:31, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The editor who added it to the article did include some sources, which I think is fair enough for the section. For the lead, I included Peter Singer's article "Animal Liberation at 30", quoting Singer's words: "We are familiar with Black Liberation, Gay Liberation, and a variety of other movements. With Women’s Liberation some thought we had come to the end of the road. Discrimination on the basis of sex, it has been said, is the last form of discrimination that is universally accepted and practiced without pretense, even in those liberal circles which have long prided themselves on their freedom from racial discrimination. But one should always be wary of talking of 'the last remaining form of discrimination.'" Still this is being reverted as some editors think the section on discrimination at the species level should not be included in the article at all. I see even the inclusion of the definition "prejudice or discrimination based on species" in Speciesism article's lede para has been reverted (because it contains the word "discrimination"), despite the source being Merriam-Webster's dictionary. Rasnaboy (talk) 09:47, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

AfD regarding Animal Charity Evaluators
There is an ongoing request for deletion of Animal Charity Evaluators. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:53, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Cruelty-Free & Vegan Brands
Hi! I'm new to wikipedia, but as I'm sure you all are, I'm an animal lover, and I'm not sure how all of this works, but is there a place where there are lists of Cruelty Free & vegan brands? Like within different industries? I'm thinking that could be a good resource for people who want to shop cruelty free only! Thoughts?
 * Sorry, but WP:NOTADVERTISING. All the best,  Mini  apolis  22:40, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Relationship between speciesism and the AIC
I've started a discussion on the relationship between speciesism and the animal-industrial complex. The link is here. Rasnaboy (talk) 07:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Lack of neutrality on Faroese whaling article
I'm having a very hard time making edits to reduce the WP:UNDUE weight towards a pro-whaling on the Whaling_in_the_Faroe_Islands article. In this edit, a day ago, I tried to add triple WP:RS/PS material based on the 15 Sep mass dolphin killing event that was criticised both by anti-whaling campaigners and even some pro-whaling Faroese groups, but was blocked. I have been told that the page is not for news, i.e.: fairly unsubtle code not for any news that could shed a bad light on the subject. Assistance in addressing the bias at work on this page and in its editing would be appreciated. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:31, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Article re-assessment request: SSCS
Is it appropriate to request the re-assessment of an article's rating here. I've recently done a lot of work to improve the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society article, rebalance its content away from historic events and the now quite dated saga with the Japanese whaling industry and focus on the charity's present work - though plenty more could still be added on this front. Anyway, is this the right place for this? Iskandar323 (talk) 20:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Renaming and moving Animal rights and the Holocaust to "Animal holocaust"
There is an ongoing discussion regarding moving and renaming Animal rights and the Holocaust as "Animal holocaust". Rasnaboy (talk) 08:53, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Cleaning up animal rights related categories
I've made an attempt to clean up the animal rights category. Where relevant, I've moved articles into the parent animal ethics category. I've also created new subcategories e.g. Category:History of animal rights.

There's a lot of articles which have Category:Animal rights, Category: Animal welfare and Category:Cruelty to animals. I'm thinking it's best to remove these from articles when they have parent (or grandparent categories) which are already in these categories e.g. this edit in Cormorant culling because these categories are included in Category:Animal killing. Let me know if I'm on the right track with this. I want to sense check before I go any further. Throughthemind (talk) 17:36, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Another example of what I'm wondering about is whether the only (relevant category) for the Whaling in the Faroe Islands article should be Category:Hunting, since this category has the parent Category:Animal killing, which has the animal rights, welfare and cruelty to animals categories, rather than including the categories on the article itself. Throughthemind (talk) 17:42, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Timeline of non-human personhood article idea
It would be nice to turn some of the content here into a timeline article: Personhood. I'm not sure whether it would be distinctive enough from Timeline of animal welfare and rights though. Let me know what you think. Throughthemind (talk) 17:13, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes - or at least a set of linked articles that lead us through the discussion via current Wikipedia content. MaynardClark (talk) 21:33, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Critics of animal rights needs to be improved
I have created about 30+ articles for animal rights advocates (mostly historical) but something that is lacking on Wikipedia is criticism of animal rights, specifically critics. We simply can't pretend that criticism of animal rights does not exist. In our categories we have 176 animal rights activists and 141 animal rights scholars. All these people believed in or believe in and have defended animal rights theories. What is missing is the critics. Our Critics of animal rights category only has 12 people and I click on some of their biographies and they have been neglected. Today I been doing a lot of research and have found about 20 critics of animal rights. I plan on working on new articles of critics and improving others that have been neglected. Any help with this would be appreciated. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * An early critic of animal rights that I have found is David George Ritchie. He authored a paper, "The Rights of Animals" in 1900. There seemed to be a debate between Henry Stephens Salt and Ritchie in the journal International Journal of Ethics . These debates about "rights" have been going on for over 120 years. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ritchie's arguments are still cited in the animal rights literature. "Ritchie attempts to demonstrate—via reductio ad absurdum—that animals cannot have rights, because granting them rights would oblige us to protect prey animals against predators that wrongly violate their rights." . Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:38, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Peter Singer, in his Animal Liberation, mentions one of the earliest critic of the animal rights movement—Thomas Taylor, a distinguished Cambridge philosopher. According to Singer, he arguably initiated the modern term "rights to animals" by his publication A Vindication of the Rights of Brutes aimed at mocking Mary Wollstonecraft's Vindication of the Rights of Woman. But, unlike Singer's statement, the Wiki article on him doesn't say he mocked animal rights. Not sure if he can be counted as a critic. Rasnaboy (talk) 06:29, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree that more work should be done on improving the critics. I've made some improvements to Ritchie's article and added Category:Critics of animal rights. There still needs to be a section on his criticism, with perhaps a link to the predation problem. Throughthemind (talk) 12:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the replies. I will do some work on Thomas Taylor and Ritchie's article. A few other modern critics of animal rights I have found are Jan Narveson who authored a paper "A Case Against Animal Rights" and Peter Carruthers, . The most notable critic of animal rights might have been Raymond Frey, I plan on doing a massive update for his article next month or so. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:03, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Wesley J. Smith is also a critic of animal rights, I updated his article. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Another critic I found and whose article I just fixed up was Paul W. Taylor. Another is H. J. McCloskey which I will update. Psychologist Guy (talk) 22:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Steve F. Sapontzis lists H. J. McCloskey, Jan Narveson, Bonnie Steinbock, Leslie Francis, Richard Norman, R. G. Frey, Meredith Williams and Ruth Cigman as critics of animal rights. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Articles to be improved
How about a section (in the WikiProject's article itself) that show articles requiring improvement'? MaynardClark (talk) 21:35, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea that I agree with. We can use the same table template as on WikiProject Veganism and Vegetarianism. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Articles to be created
How about a section (in the WikiProject's article itself) that show articles requiring development? I had been thinking recently of Kim Crumbo, missing environmentalist celebrated recently by Animals 24-7, a periodical which IMO deserves an article. MaynardClark (talk) 21:35, 1 November 2021 (UTC) How about developing articles for each of the obituaries written by Animals 24-7? MaynardClark (talk) 11:44, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Animal loss
I included the Animal loss article in this project and suggest that, in light of the seemingly growing movement for holding animal memorial services and 'animal funerals, the topic of memorial events for beloved animals who pass away be sensitively developed and possibly included as a section here (or as a separate article). MaynardClark (talk) 21:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Death of animals
We need to reflect on the struggle to understand death as mortality, not merely of humans OR nonhumans, but of sentient life, in which we all participate. MaynardClark (talk) 20:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Betty White
MaynardClark thanks for raising the issue of Betty White. Here is a website I found that mentions her "According to Smithsonian Magazine, White has served as a trustee of the Greater Los Angeles Zoo Association for over 40 years. She has also worked with the Morris Animal Foundation, been associated with PETA, and still works closely with the Los Angeles ASPCA." sounds like an advocate of animal welfare, not rights. Psychologist Guy (talk) 02:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I was right, here is a comment from Betty White "I'm not into animal rights. I'm only into animal welfare and health" Psychologist Guy (talk) 02:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

CITES
Should CITES be considered within the scope of this project????


 * CITES (shorter name for the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora, also known as the Washington Convention) is a multilateral treaty to protect endangered plants and animals. It was drafted as a result of a resolution adopted in 1963 at a meeting of members of the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN). The convention was opened for signature in 1973 and CITES entered into force on 1 July 1975.


 * Its aim is to ensure that international trade in specimens of wild animals and plants does not threaten the survival of the species in the wild, and it accords varying degrees of protection to more than 35,000 species of animals and plants. In order to ensure that the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) was not violated, the Secretariat of GATT was consulted during the drafting process.

I would think so.

In addition to:
 * CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora)

I would also ask about:
 * Animal husbandry
 * Artificial insemination
 * Biodiversity
 * Birdwatching
 * CITES
 * Cloning
 * Conservation biology
 * Conservation movement
 * Conservation status
 * Earth First
 * Earth Liberation Front
 * Ecology
 * Ecosystems
 * Ecotourism
 * Embryo transfer
 * Endangered species
 * Environmental agreements
 * Environmental movement
 * Environmentalism
 * Ethology Animal Behavior
 * Ex-situ conservation
 * Extinction
 * Gene pool
 * Greenpeace
 * Habitat (ecology)
 * in-situ conservation
 * IUCN Red List
 * List of Conservation topics
 * List of politically endorsed extermination of animals
 * Natural history
 * Natural Resources Defense Council
 * Nature documentary
 * Ornithology
 * Pest control
 * Reintroduction
 * Titmouse
 * Wildlife Enforcement Monitoring System (WEMS)
 * Wildlife gardening
 * Wildlife management
 * World Conservation Union (IUCN)
 * Zoos

OTOH, perhaps the nature of the working group as a group concerned for the well-being, protection, and reverence for the living interests of animals would precluded including some of the broader-view topics (but perhaps not). MaynardClark (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC) MaynardClark (talk) 18:42, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think CITES should be included, since it is focused on the preservation of species, rather than helping individual non-human animals. Animal rights as a concept is about the rights of individual animals, rather than the preservation of abstract entities like species, so conservation related articles should only be considered part of this project if they are relevant to the well-being and interests of these individuals e.g. compassionate conservation and culling (for further reading see: relationship between animal ethics and environmental ethics). Based on this inclusion criteria, I do think a few of these articles that @MaynardClark mentions would be relevant, but not all. Throughthemind (talk) 21:50, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Environmentalists DO discuss (and debate) whether species and even ecosystems should be considered as 'rights bearers'. OTOH, consequentialist Peter Singer does not believe in the concept of rights, which he considers to be a concept of deontology and perhaps Kantian. My understanding is that Kantian abolitionist Gary Francione argues that the essence of the meaning of rights is that they cannot be traded off for some consequentialist purposes (even if the greater good were to be achieved). No lawyer for any individual (in a courtroom situation?) would be willing to trade off any client's basic rights for any reason.  What is not brought into discussion is the need for a political state to ensure or guarantee rights of any kind(s).   MaynardClark (talk) 02:17, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that environmentalists discuss the rights of species and ecosystems, but I would still say that most environmentalist focused articles should be out of scope for this WikiProject because of their lack of focus on individual animals. It's also true about Singer's utilitarianism rejecting rights, but his philosophy does focus on animals as individuals, which is the key thing. Throughthemind (talk) 11:29, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

New proposal for WikiProject Effective altruism
Hey everyone, I've created a WikiProject proposal to support efforts to improve articles related to effective altruism, a social movement about doing good effectively. Effective altruism is inspired by the philosophy of Peter Singer and has a strong emphasis on reducing suffering experienced by animals, especially farm animals. For example, The Humane League and Mercy for Animals, two organizations based on effective altruism, have organized corporate campaigns and legal reforms in the United States which contributed to the dramatic shift to cage-free egg production, and Open Philanthropy is the world's largest funder of farm animal advocacy. Effective altruism is highly interdisciplinary and focuses on several other cause areas though, so I thought it would be good to have a dedicated WikiProject for it. If you're interested, please write a comment supporting the WikiProject proposal here. Enervation (talk) 15:32, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Shirley McGreal
Shirley McGreal, the founder of the International Primate Protection League, has died. I just created her article yesterday. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 01:36, 15 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for creating this article it is a good start, I would point out though that that Shirley McGreal was an animal welfare activist, not anything to do with animal rights. There is a big difference (although they are sometimes confused). The 3 sources in the lead all mention animal welfare, not rights. There is a good obituary in the New York Times that was cited that we all have full access to so the article can be expanded. I can have a go at that tomorrow. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:50, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Discussion regarding lead image on Animal cruelty and the Holocaust analogy
I have begun a discussion on the talk page of Animal cruelty and the Holocaust analogy regarding the lead images used in this article. Please see the images for yourself, and I would appreciate any input from this project's members. See Talk:Animal cruelty and the Holocaust analogy for further discussion. Thank you! —AFreshStart (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Faxian's quote on vegetarianism in ancient India
There is an ongoing discussion regarding the relevance of Faxian's quote on vegetarianism in ancient India. Rasnaboy (talk) 18:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Need a user welcome template
Similar to the template of the WikiProject Vegetarianism and Veganism, I feel we need a similar welcome template for WikiProject Animal rights as well. Rasnaboy (talk) 17:51, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

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Relevance of Faxian's quote in the article History of Animal Rights
I've started a discussion regarding the relevance of adding Faxian's quote on vegetarianism in ancient India in the article History of animal rights. The link is here:. Rasnaboy (talk) 09:57, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Eyestalk ablation for Translation of the week
Hello! I'm reaching out to you because in October, I proposed the English-language article Eyestalk ablation for the Translation of the week project. So far, it's gotten 3 votes and 1 opposition. Given your interest in divulging animal rights, I thought you might be prompted to vote for it and make it available in many more languages. Thank you beforehand! --Brunnaiz (talk) 12:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Rita Miljo
Rita Miljo's article describes her as an "animal rights pioneer" but this is not supported by any source on the article. I think animal welfare is more accurate for her work. Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:54, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:01, 9 April 2023 (UTC)