Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Archive 22

Public domain anime
I've discovered that Momotaro's Divine Sea Warriors (the first anime film) seems to be public domain due to a court ruling stating that all pre-1953 Japanese films are public domain. This is good news for our project, which always has a hard time with having hardly any free use images. I can't find the full film anywhere (though if anyone else can find it, that'd be great), but we can at least use screenshots of the YouTube video for various purposes.--SeizureDog 01:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Momotaro's Sea Eagles came before that, though, in 1943. Before that, there was Imokawa Mukuzo Genkanban no Maki in 1917. All three are public domain. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, but since the wording of the article specially only said "movies" I was a tad uncomfortable in making the jump to include "short films" since there was no link for the details on the decision.--SeizureDog 04:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, if the ruling said "films" (it would have been nice for them to include a link to the ruling), then it would apply. Anyone have a link to the Japanese ruling? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Tsukikage Ran
I know this might be silly to many of you, but we have a disagreement over at Tsukikage Ran. Here is why. .

My edits have been reverted a couple of times. I've been accused of vandalism. While my version is shorter, it's so because the prose is tighter. No worthwhile information is lost. I've also added some external links (while removing two, I admit, I don't consider that important).

If I'm wrong, which I don't think I am, I'll leave it. I don't want to get banned over a silly dispute.--Nohansen 16:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * While your version does seem to get rid of all the crufty details, you're shortening an article that is already short to begin with. In this case, unless you plan on adding to the article yourself, you might just want to let the cruft build up a while before you start hacking it down.--SeizureDog 18:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The "crufty details" were added today, after I posted my concern here. An example of my edits was changing

''Ran Tsukikage is a female wandering ronin whose skill with the katana is only matched by her craving for sake. All we know about Ran's past (as revealed in Ep. 13) is that she was trained in the way of the sword by a samurai named Junzaburo Shiina who also gave her her first taste of sake. She often goes "wherever the wind takes her". Ran tends to describe herself as a "beautiful woman" who, when faced with a foe or foes, can be unbeatable. However, Ran is often broke (as many ronin usually are), and Meow pays for her food and sake. Ran tends to say "Utterly inexescusable!" when upset or annoyed.'' (113 words) to

''Ran Tsukikage (月影蘭, Tsukikage Ran) is a ronin who goes "wherever the wind takes her". Ran's skill with the sword makes her nigh unbeatable, but it does not make her life any easier. She is often broke and borrowing money for food and sake.'' (45 words).

It's not making the article smaller, but phrasing things in a concise manner (and removing lines like "All we know about...").--Nohansen 19:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Update: I just realized the whole article was copied from Absolute Anime. Now, I know I didn't do anything wrong by changing it.--Nohansen 20:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally like your edit, but you could throw in the information about Junzaburo Shiina. He's right about cutting some important points out, but I think it was low of him to delete your plot and production section just because it was "short". Toothpyx 07:37, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Ownership of Tsukikage Ran
The dispute has taken a turn for the worse. Now R.G says he won't allow me to edit the article.--Nohansen 03:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Anything that's copied must be removed per WP:CP, no discussion necessary. When I find some time I'll do it. And if you can rewrite it so it doesn't violate WP:CP anymore, by all means go ahead. I've also made this comment on the article's talk page btw, in case any discussion continues there. Ninja neko 06:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Anime article: Influence_on_Well_Being
Hmm. Take a look at this, added recently by User:Crazlunatic: Anime. I reverted it - suspecting vandalism. Same user re-reverted. Noted here for consultation. KyuuA4 02:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed it again. Unadulterated silliness. --Masamage ♫ 02:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That user appears to have removed vandalism warnings from his talk page... Doceirias 02:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ...but doesn't seem to be reintroducing the section, so we're probably fine. --Masamage ♫ 16:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

A collab drive to form example articles.
We should work together to get articles in sections that of our scope that have nothing to use as examples to good article status. By which I mean we should get an article on, for example, a mangaka to good article status so that in working on other mangaka articles people have something to compare to. It's hard to work on such articles when the expected structure and form is unknown. I think our first goals should be to have a mangaka and a voice actor/seiyū article as those are two types of articles of which we have a lot of and are confusing to know which layout to use. Any suggestions on people that would have plenty of information out there to gather into an article and that are well known enough for most of our members to help out on? I suggest Clamp (manga artists) and Wendee Lee.--SeizureDog 02:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that instead of using an American VA, use a well-known Japanese seiyū like Megumi Hayashibara, who has been around for a long time and has been in literally a ton of anime/games/drama CDs. As for the mangaka, Rumiko Takahashi comes to mind as very famous, but the God of Manga, Osamu Tezuka, is probably a more obvious choice.--  十  八  03:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * While Tezuka certainly deserves GA status, a modern author would be a more typical answer. By his very nature, any decent coverage of Tezuka would have sections beyond the scope of mangaka whose long term influence has yet to be seen. Doceirias 03:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I specifically did not suggest Tezuka due to him being too important of a person. The point of this collab is to pick articles where making them GAs would be easy to accomplish. Also, I fear that Japanese seiyū may be harder to retrieve information on, but I may be wrong there. Rumiko Takahashi however, seems like a good choice.--SeizureDog 03:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Unofficial games = fanfic?
Question: Wouldn't an "unofficial" game based on a franchise be a media equivalent of fanfic, and thus not something to be documented in an article? I'm looking at List of Azumanga Daioh media and want to be certain of my grounds before deleting it outright. —Quasirandom 18:38, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If it's a video game, it's quite a bit more involved than a fanfic (which could be whipped up within a couple hours in many cases). Yes, it's similar, but not similar enough to delete, IMHO. In some cases, the unofficial games are made by some of the same people who make the official games. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Mm. Okay, in that case I'll just copyedit and move on. Thanks. —Quasirandom 02:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, they're specifically listed as Dōjin soft games, rather than other titles from the official gamemaker. What about those? —Quasirandom 02:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Same thing. Yes, they are "fan made", but they are much more involved than a fanfic and therefore legit in their own right. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:25, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Title of a manga
I put the question on WP:RD/E. However it archived without clear answers. (See Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2007 September 30) So I put the question again.

I found an image: http://pds.egloos.com/pds/1/200509/19/19/b0000319_10461651.jpg. It is a Korean language edition of a manga. It looks like censored. Can you tell me what is this manga?--JSH-alive (talk)(cntrbtns)(mail me) 07:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Manga cover images category
Would it be useful to have a category for manga covers? Category:Manga covers would be a child cat of Category:Comic book covers and Category:Anime and manga images (which seems to contain just series cats). Ninja neko 11:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Turns out it used to exist but got deleted, does anyone know why? (reason given is "housekeeping". I couldn't find it in the cat deletion archive) Ninja neko 10:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Mostly likely because it was empty. --Farix (Talk) 11:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, in that case, I'll just populate it. Thanks! Ninja neko 12:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Character articles
What is this project's stance on character articles in regard to our fiction guidelines (WP:WAF and WP:FICT)? Those require pieces of fiction to assert themselves with real world information to exist as articles. While it may be difficult to obtain this information for some characters, most of them just don't have any. Would this be a helpful place to ask for comments when there are discussions or is there a general "all characters get articles" stance? TTN 21:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (anime- and manga-related articles) for a discussion on this very issue.--  十  八  21:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I should poke back at that again, shouldn't I. I started a new draft based on the most recent comments but got distracted. —Quasirandom 22:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There -- second draft is up. Comment away. Rag on it. Be harsh. Make it good. —Quasirandom 01:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Peer review etiquette?
A general Wikipedia question I can't find an answer to elsewhere: What is the etiquette of prodding for a languishing peer review request? I know canvassing for AfD discussions is Bad Ton, but what about other administrative tasks like this? —Quasirandom 22:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The purpose of a Peer review is "to expose articles to closer scrutiny from a broader group of editors, and is intended for high-quality articles that have already undergone extensive work, often as a way of preparing a featured article candidate."
 * Since you mention AfD I rather this is not what you meant though (But if it was what you meant — this tool is a great way to start, the other being to review the article for compliance to good article and featured article criteria).
 * The best would be to discuss any concerns on the talk page, discuss it with the appropriate wikiproject, request feedback or add the appropriate maintenance templates.
 * Regards, G.A.S 06:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't let the canvassing paranoia scare you, it's perfectly ok to bug people about article improvement. -- Ned Scott 06:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Quasirandom, Here is a quick guide to canvassing (Note that "'Canvassing' is sending messages to multiple Wikipedians with the intent to influence a community discussion"; which I do not think you had in mind). G.A.S 09:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * As Ned said. But the Peer reviewer is a nice DIY solution, and happens to be a standard step in most peer reviews in any case. A lot of editors would also review articles on request. G.A.S 09:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks guys. In that case, I'm bringing it to the appropriate wikiproject, here: I've had a peer review request out there for two weeks with no attention aside from an automated review -- which was good on mechanicals but not so helpful on next-step stuff. Anyone up for helping me out here? —Quasirandom 15:24, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added some comment here. Regards, G.A.S 19:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Anime related deletions
Tsundere and Yandere have been put up for deletion here.--  十  八  21:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I still have to wonder about those two terms, and other terms like it. While I had spent a good 5 years in an anime forum, I had not encountered either of those terms up until last year -- while tracking Saimoe.  Somehow, gotta be discreet regarding terminology involving groups of characters.  As far as I know, such character groupings do not define genre categories.  Then again, here we have the character class: Superhero.  Once again, this out-of-universe factor will come into play. KyuuA4 05:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Then you may have not been hanging around in the real otaku anime forums, like 4chan's /a/ or the like. These (well tsundere anyway) are established words used in the otaku community, and have a lot of notablility behind them in Japan. Yandere recently was given a page on the Japanese Wikipedia after having it merged with the tsundere article for who knows how long. The fact that the Japanese wanted to create a separate article means it's coming out of obscurity, and is slowly becoming a term likened to tsundere. Sort of like yaoi/yuri go together as a pair, tsundere/yandere are not far off from the same thing.--  十  八  05:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I'll admit. The one I've spent time on happens to be rather "liberal" when it comes to fandom, as plenty of discussion outside of animanga fandom is allowed, like current events.  Plus, I've joined ANN's forum just last year.  But anyways, we may have to consider a group of character classes relevant to animanga; and here happens to be a Anime and manga terminology listing. KyuuA4 05:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

It closed early as a keep. --Masamage ♫ 01:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Belldandy
Interesting to see her article considered for deletion. However, a quick look into her article made it obvious behind reasoning for deletion consideration. I have to ask: Is the lack of out-of-universe material starting to have a larger effect on fictional article purges? Particularly for animanga? KyuuA4 05:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The AfD nom for Belldandy is one of the main contributors to these articles, and is trying to make a point. I wouldn't worry about it. -- Ned Scott 05:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, I too am surprised to see User:White Cat of all users (him being the major contributor to those articles) finally end up nominating them for deletion. Wonder what made him change his mind about separate character articles (aside from perhaps a new found adhering to certain WP:FICT guidelines).--  十  八  05:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * White Cat, huh? Now, that is very interesting. KyuuA4 05:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * White Cat (formerly Cool Cat) has a history of suddenly doing bizarre and unexplainable things. Only a month or two ago, he was hellbent on leaving Wikipedia (and not for the first time). ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I propose renaming this wikiproject to WikiProject White Cat discussions. -- Cat chi? 10:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You really are full of yourself, aren't you? --Farix (Talk) 11:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Fascinating. I had the opposite impression. Judging from the thread that is. -- Cat chi? 12:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Gossip is gossip. --Masamage ♫ 16:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't get involved with this anymore than these few comments, but I'd speculate that these articles could even be kept independent. We're talking about main characters in a franchise that is 20 years old. There's got to be some sources generated in that time. -- Ned Scott 06:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Anybody up for the Rescue From Deletion Award? That should help to get this matter cleared. G.A.S 06:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't play into Cat's game. He's nominating the lead characters in order to save the minor characters. There is no risk of deletion to save anything from. -- Ned Scott 09:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * He's nominated all the characters and explicitly named only the main characters. Ned's right, this is an attempt to get a keep he can claim applies to all. We all know that the reasonable outcome here is for editors to bring the main characters up to par (which is possibly doable) and a merge of the minor characters (because they're minor and because there is little possibility that they can be brought up to snuff). --Jack Merridew 10:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no intention to play (into) that game... and yes I know... but a good dose of OOU information (per WP:FICT) should settle that (and the merge) matter permanently. G.A.S 10:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Gotonpo - Ninja Elemental Paths
Hi all. In the process of assessing articles for the project, I came across Gotonpō, a stub which briefly describes five paths of ninja arts based on the classic elements. Though the article does explicitly admit that these are fantasy (fictional) constructions and not true historical arts used by real ninja, it does not provide any details as to which particular media make use of this concept, nor the more important detail of where this concept originated and which manga or anime series or other media source(s) actually make use of these specific terms.

I have not formally nominated the article for deletion, but would welcome opinions and suggestions at Talk:Gotonpō. Thanks. LordAmeth 14:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

List of manga chapters FLCs
Hello. Currently, two list of manga chapters, List of Claymore chapters and List of Naruto chapters (Part I) are up at WP:FLC. Given that we've never had a list of manga chapters go to FLC or become a featured list at that, this is a new format to tackle as versus the dozen or so anime episode lists we currently have as FLs. At the nominations (Featured list candidates/List of Claymore chapters and Featured list candidates/List of Naruto chapters (Part I)), the primary concerns brought up was a need for the release dates of individual chapters. While I was able to acquire the volume dates while constructing the lists, acquiring each individual chapter date is something a little beyond me, namely finding a source that would provide this. That said, a possible format for incorporating this is also necessary. I would greatly appreciate aid with this, seeing as this could set a precedent as well as an example for future lists of the same type, especially considering that there are lots of them. Thanks in advance. Regards, Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 00:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't see why you would want such trivial information in a listing of the permanent edition, but each volume (in Japanese) does contain the issue numbers for the magazine it was serialized in. The location varies by publisher; sometimes on the front flap, sometimes on the copyright page at the back, but those issue numbers should allow you to figure out when it appeared. Alternatively, you could simply say "appeared in magazine name issues number-number" instead of giving dates. Doceirias 01:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure why you'd want the chapter release dates either -- surely the volume release is more important here. —Quasirandom 01:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * As it stands, the only thing wanted is from what time X to time Y that the chapters were shown. That said, how would a source be cited? If it is from the volumes itself, I don't possess the books in order to make an informed citation, and I'm not currently aware of any online source that would provide this. Also, on List of Claymore chapters, a request has been made for a literal translation of the volume name to be included for the last few. As my knowledge of Japanese is practically nonexistent, could someone add this? Thanks. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 04:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think I got them all. I also corrected the capitalization of the rōmaji to be standard. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. In any case, the only existing complaint is simply from what time X to time Y that the chapters were shown (in the Weekly and Monthly Shonen Jumps for Naruto and Claymore respectively). Given the lack of other comments, and the fact that this is the only existing problem, I don't see a problem in rectifying it instead of disputing it. If someone could find or add such a source, we can get these lists featured without much more fuss. Much appreciated. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 00:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Magazine archive update
I updated the Newtype USA topic pages so there are spaces for every issue that just need to be filled in. Anyone who has these issues is encouraged to fill them in. I also added information for two more issues while I was doing the update. (^_^) ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, if you are unsure how to add the information, please let me know. I'll be happy to explain anything you don't understand. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Shinigami (Bleach) AFD.
Shinigami (Bleach) is up for deletion. Please discuss it on its AFD page. dposse 16:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Three questions.
I think these are pretty common, but I still need some help here, thanks.
 * 1) Is the screencap of a character in an anime not usually considered fair use?
 * 2) Is Uncyclopedia a good source for a thing that is constantly parodied in a series?
 * 3) Is promoting another wiki in talk page bad wikiquette, if the wiki in question is related to the topic of the article?

Thanks for the answer!-- Samuel di  Curtisi  di  Salvadori  16:02, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * No, in my experience.
 * Doubt it. User-generated content I believe is the phrase wikilawyers like to us...
 * Impossible to answer without more context. --Gwern (contribs) 16:25 24 October 2007 (GMT)


 * For #2: What about a wiki for the users of a certain online community?-- Samuel di  Curtisi  di  Salvadori  16:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * For #3: I am thinking of making a Case Closed wiki-- and would like current editors in articles related to that series to edit on that wiki to if it opened. Is that bad Wikiquette?-- Samuel di  Curtisi  di  Salvadori  16:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think mentioning its existence as a point of interest and to encourage cooperation/transwikiing is okay. We at WP:SM occasionally collaborate with WikiMoon on a very small level, fact-checking with each other and so forth, and people might be interested in doing the same. Actually lobbying for your separate wiki and disrupting this one, of course, would be a bad idea. Just a subtle mention will probably do. --Masamage ♫ 20:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Animation project proposal
There is now a proposal at WikiProject Council/Proposals for a project which would deal specifically with all articles related to animation, be they television, movie, web, or what have you. Any interested parties are encouraged to indicate their support there. Thank you. John Carter 21:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Robotech character merges
As a result of the discussion at Articles for deletion/Ben Dixon (fictional character), I've tagged all the articles in Category:Robotech characters with a proposal to merge them into List of Robotech characters. As they stand, practically none of them could survive a challenge on WP:FICT grounds, and only one of them, that I saw, actually aserted any sort of notability; several are tagged for cleanup issues. This way, someone who knows the series and cares can combine the encyclopedic information into one place before things get deleted for cause in, probably, a few months. —Quasirandom 01:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Strange. He's not even listed among Macross characters.  Looking at these characters, they'll be needing a merge under List of Macross characters. KyuuA4 06:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, he is listed (and has his own article) under his original name: Hayao Kakizaki. I think merging Macross craracters' own articles with their Robotech counterparts could be a good idea. That way it would be more easy to find references with real-world information.Kazu-kun 06:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I was thinking the Macross character articles could also use merging into a single list as well, but merging both lists into one is also possible, since it would emphasize how much adaption was made. —Quasirandom 14:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I suppose a "Robotech character" list will do, with subdivisions Macross, Southern Cross, and (don't remember the 3rd series).  These Macross articles need some attention, especially when two articles describe one character: Lisa Hayes and Misa Hayase.  Checking the history, activity has been minimal.  Is discussion on merging even needed? KyuuA4 18:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I would think discussion here, as a central location to work out a strategy, would suffice. Especially if you refer back here in the edit summary or talk pages. (BTW, don't forget to work on the navigation template, Robotech, which doesn't link to the Macross category.) —Quasirandom 20:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Category Structure
That's another thing to look at here. The categories. As expected, it's set up to have Macross and Robotech separate, as sub-trees, to a single "Macross and Robotech" category. KyuuA4 18:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipe-tan image considered for delisting from Featured Picture
See Featured picture candidates/delist/Wikipe-tan full length. Just to notify the interested parties. ''Personally, I expected this already. But now I could care less.'' _dk 11:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * As long as the name "Wikipe-tan" remains and the image doesn't get deleted, we can still work with the image. KyuuA4 19:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

At the risk of someone yelling WP:CANVASS at me, everyone should definitely go over there and comment to keep this bullshit delisting from happening. Users who have been watching over these images and related pages well know the common misconception about Wikipe-tan being a violation of WP:SELF, which couldn't be further from the truth. Then there's the accusation that it holds no encyclopedic value, even though it's an excellent example of anime, moé, and a bunch of other stuff, and often the only free image we have for those articles. I can't help but feel this is an attack of the Wikipe-tan haters, and Wikipe-tan now needs your help. -- Ned Scott 23:09, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Incase it wasn't obvious, the above message is a bit tong-in-cheek. -- Ned Scott 18:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree on the Self-reference point, as she's about Wiki - not is Wiki. KyuuA4 20:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * As for feature, might as well run through WP:WIAFP again, as noted by Jeff Dahl. While I found the initial "delisting" reason to be vague, confusing, and short, the criteria list is the best place to look. KyuuA4 20:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no need to de-list her because some people have a misconception about the self-reference guideline, or fear that us big-bad anime fans are some kind of hive-mind. -- Ned Scott 20:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, at least, the problem has been narrowed down to Aliasing. KyuuA4 17:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Commons:User:Editor at Large says he's able to vector the image for us. He previously vectored Commons:Image:Wikipe-tan Birthday.svg. -- Ned Scott 03:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's good. Once that's done then everything's set. For re-enlistment, hopefully everyone remains open-minded. On work and imagery alone, Wikipe-tan is very well thought out and deserves props to the artist. She meets Featured Criteria. Hopefully everyone votes based on her as a well-made work that already has public credit. Though voting does include personal opinion it shouldn't solely be the vote. Fox816 22:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Documenting the influence of Please Save My Earth
Over the years, I've seen multiple mangaka mention PSME and Hiwatari as a strong, and sometimes the strongest, influence. It would be good to collect a list of these, for adding to the Reception section of Please Save My Earth. If people were to note any they see on the talk page, I'd appreciate it. —Quasirandom 20:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Help on External Wiki
Hi guys, I noticed some Dragonball AFDs today and started copying over huge amounts of anime articles to a new wiki I admin on Fancruft.net I've copied thousands of articles but I'm looking for some anime project editors to help me port some of the wiki templates regularly used for anime / manga. Image uploads that match up to existing articles are also a huge help.

Anyone interest, please give me a hand and hit up my talk page on Fancruft.--Torchwood Who? 14:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Torchwood knows I've already volunteered to help, but I thought I would mention to everyone that, in a situation such as this, admins are usually open to undeleting so that you can copy the article for another Wiki. Wikipedia's MediaWiki software never permanently deletes articles, just "hides" them from normal view, so retrieving them after a closed AFD is still an option. -- Ned Scott 19:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Copyedited Watashi no Ashinaga Ojisan
Was randomly looking for some odd and end to do when I found the article needing copyedit notice in your project page. Took care of it, drop by and tell me how it turned out\if it still needs improvement. Thanks. --84.90.46.116 22:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC) (If you need to contact me, leave a message in my user page or talk page, whichever is fine, really)

Template problems?
The whole article is inside the Infobox. See F-Zero GP Legend as an example.  « FMF »  01:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone just fixed it. DarkAngel █▀▀007▄▄█  01:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * There seems to be a very wired edit war over at Template:Infobox animanga/Footer, which is the cause of the problem. --Farix (Talk) 03:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It wasn't an edit war. A user removed a bit of the code thinking that it was placed there by accident (when actually that code, |}, is the only active thing about the template). Another two users did a test to see if the footer was the problem and decided it wasn't, and reverted it back to how it was with the code deleted. Then I came around and did the same thing, and realized what the problem was. So yeah, it was just a mistake.--  十  八  03:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

New category
I think I've been here on this WikiProject once before. I'd like to introduce Category:Chinese mythology in anime and manga‎ — does anyone know of any aside from Dragon Ball manga? I think the creator of Spirited Away had Chinese elements in some of his stories but I'm not 100% certain. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Japanese anime/manga usually use myths from the Japanese culture? I truly cannot think of any that use myths from China or any other Asian countries.--  十  八  06:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh My Goddess! uses (somewhat loosely) myths from Norse mythology. There are others that use mythology from various other Eurpoean countries, Chinese mytholgy, Indian mythology, Judeo-Christian mythology/themes, and so on. Saiyuki uses Chinese mythology, as do Fushigi Yugi, The Twelve Kingdoms, and many others. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The heroes of the Giant Robo (OVA) come from the wuxia novel Outlaws of the Marsh; their leader is the Yellow Emperor, a Chinese mythological figure. The main characters of Sohryuden are reincarnations of the Four Heavenly Kings. Sailor Moon's Queen Serenity is a reference to Chang-O ("Tsukino Usagi" is Japanese for moon rabbit).--Nohansen 12:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The Taapon from Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou is a version of the great bird Peng. And for Asian non-Chinese, there's 3x3 Eyes. (Miyazaki, though, tends to draw on European influences more than Chinese, outside of arguably Laputa.) —Quasirandom 14:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Queen Serenity (pun on Selenity) is mostly based on Selene, which is why the princess falls in love with Endymion. SM is full full fuuuuull of Greek and Roman mythology, but it does also contain the Four Heavenly Kings. If you want explicit Chinese mythology, there's always Ranma 1/2, but I don't know how much of it is made up. --Masamage ♫ —Preceding comment was added at 17:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I have categorized Saiyuki (manga), The Twelve Kingdoms, Giant Robo (OVA), Fushigi Yūgi, and Dragon Ball (anime). Can we confirm that Saint Seiya, Ranma ½, Sailor Moon and Miyazaki's Spirited Away be included as well? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Spirited Away uses Japanese mythology (and some small amount of Western), so don't categorize it there. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And the others? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I know Saint Seiya alludes to Greco-Roman and Norse mythology; I don't remember any Chinese. And, like Masamage, I'm not sure how much is made up in Ranma. Urusei Yatsura, on the other hand, has many allusions to Japanese mythology.--Nohansen 17:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, maybe I'm somehow confounding the Chinese zodiac with Greco-Roman and Norse references. I don't know much of Ranma ½ so I can't speak for it. Anything else? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You may want to look at this: Journey to the West --Mika1h 18:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

A reminder that
List of RahXephon media has been brought to featured list review. I believe that all of these problems are ultimately solvable though. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 02:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Junji Ito
FYI, Category:Junji Ito is up for deletion at WP:CFD. 132.205.99.122 19:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)