Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Digimon/Archive 10

The Great Angels from Frontier
Now I'm not sure if we were planning on making an article on them as a group but someone has, I just thought I'd show you all incase we should get it deleted. Its called Digimon Great Angels. Nightmare SE 01:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * ...that was in the plan. The correct name for the group is Celestial Digimon though (it currently exists as a redirect to the Digimon Frontier article. I've gone and redirected Digimon Great Angels to Digimon Frontier as well. When (and if) we decide to make an article about those three, we can just start from scratch. It's not like the Digimon Great Angels article has all that much info on it right now. --

`/aksha 03:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually the Celestial Digimon (三大天使Three-Great-Angels) and the 四大竜Four-Great-Dragons (Magnadra Golddra, Megidra, Azulong) are also "Organisations in Digimon".
 * At this moment, nothing have been written about the Celestial Digimon. The three angels are also not listed in the Secondary characters in Digimon Frontier.
 * (And there's no link to List of Digimon Frontier minor characters in Digimon Frontier page too, only in the {box} at the bottom.)
 * digimon-organisation article? frontier minor characters? Qooo            Kennethayes 05:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I put some stuff on the Celestial Digimon page, don't know if I did it right though =P I'll change some of the redirects now... Peanutland 12:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikified a little - still not sure if it needs its own article but it looks alright - a little tedious and lengthy, but quite nice. I've shortened it so the scope is only Frontier - using  templates.   x42bn6  Talk 18:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool =) I think they should have an article on their own, because they do play a pretty big role in the Frontier series. Just wondering, shouldn't the box down the bottom link to the Celestial Digimon page rather than the seperate pages to Ophanimon, Cherubimon and Seraphimon, because it's more linked to the series? I don't know how to edit that though =P Peanutland 12:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Turuiemon and Lopmon
Hmm... I know it is not good to include a digivolution in the card games, and I know Turuiemon hasn't appeared in the "digivice" toy or v-pets.

But I really dont think that he/it is a cannon because of Turuiemon's similarity to Gargomon, as well as the three little horns on Cocomon, Kokomon, Lopmon and Antylamon. Okay, Wendigomon has 3 big horns too.

Just want to share my view. I hope that Turuiemon will be in Lopmon's line in Sunburst/Moonlight. =) Kennethayes 06:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree but than you have to remember all the tamer's digimons fresh forms, the are obvious but not canon trainra 07:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, ditto with Trainra. There're some digimon forms which don't appear, but it's very "obvious" who they digivolve to and from. But then again, there're also some digivolutions that we would have never guessed. So it's probably safest to just stick to verifiable digivolutions. -- `/aksha 08:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if that "dont" is a typo for do or not but I do recall a guest bringing that and would like to point out that the similarity between Rapidmon and Antylamon, and MegaGargomon and Cherubimon is non-existent making the similarity between Gargomon and  completely irrelevant. I'd also like to point out the missing digivolutions for the other Digimon in Tamers are all (well except Impmon's Fresh and In-Training forms, I'm not sure where those guys came from...) confirmed outside the card game (they're in Brave Tamer, D-Project, and maybe some other games as well) while Lopmon already has a line in Digimon the Movie, and I for one find it hard to believe that of all Lopmon's forms only his Champion form would change when he is not corrupted. Nightmare SE 08:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Just opinion. Impmon doesnt have Champion and Ultimate too. XD
 * Hmm, the 2 Antylamon are different/sub- species already. Perhaps Antylamon(Deva) and Cherubimon(Vaccine) are unrelated. It's okay. =] Kennethayes 10:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * "all the tamer's digimons fresh forms, the are obvious but not canon" - Digimon Kōshiki Daizukan VI given Child I and Child II (I cannot remember which Fresh refers to off the top of my head) for all the Tamer's Digimon except: Guardromon and Cyberdramon (who have Child I but no Child II) and Leomon and Marineangemon (who have no other forms listed).
 * To summarise some facts (term used loosely since we're discussing fiction here), Digimon Kōshiki Daizukan VI gives Lopmon's Adult form as "???". Card Bo-630 and Bo-875 indicates Turuiemon as a possible evolution for Lopmon and he has the the rabbit ears and tricorn in common with the line. According to the Visual Dictionary he is present in the Ultimate D-Ark and a Wonderswan game, but I do not have access to either of these. "I for one find it hard to believe that of all Lopmon's forms only his Champion form would change when he is not corrupted" - Turuimon, like Lopmon, is Data and Wendimon is Virus. Andiramon and Cherubimon have both Virus and Data/Vaccine forms, but Wendimon (which is an "ankokushinka" like Skullgreymon and Megidramon) does not. "well except Impmon's Fresh and In-Training forms, I'm not sure where those guys came from..." - Digimon Kōshiki Daizukan VI gives his line as Kiimon > Yaamon > Impmon > ??? > ??? > Beelzebumon/Beelzebumon Blast Mode. Shiroi Hane 18:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * May I enquire what Digimon Kōshiki Daizukan VI is exactly? Truiemon/Turuiemon does indeed appear in the Ultimate D-Ark, as an enemy digimon in two areas, as for a WonderSwan game, none to my knowledge, although he might of been in Digimon Tamers Digimon Medley.
 * "Turuimon, like Lopmon, is Data and Wendimon is Virus. Andiramon and Cherubimon have both Virus and Data/Vaccine forms, but Wendimon (which is an "ankokushinka" like Skullgreymon and Megidramon) does not." - How can we even take attributes seriously? You said it yourself, Lopmon is Data, yet Lopmon too was corrupted in movie 3 while Antylamon and Cherubimon's good versions don't even match attributes, and how can you conclude that "ankokushinka" (which I'm assuming means Dark Evolution or something similar) when the evolution in question never occurred onscreen? On a note, according to Digimon D-Project all Digimon (well at least all Digimon who are classified as either Data, Virus or Vaccine) can be Data, Virus or Vaccine. Nightmare SE 19:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The Kōshiki Daizukan are a series of official Digimon books from V-Jump, two for each of the first 3 series (see User:Shiroi Hane/Resources). The Digimon Visual Dictionary refers to Wendimon as an "ankokushinka" which is the term used in the V-Jump books to refer to Skullgreymon and Megidramon. Shiroi Hane 02:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Antylamon (Deva) digivolves from Turuiemon for its true evolution.

Panjyamon
"IceLeomon is the often given in the American series because it is easier to remember for younger fans." Isn't this a clear admission that the name is wrong? It might not be actually wrong, though - I think I remember IceLeomon being the name that Frontier uses. Either IceLeomon should be removed, if it is wrong, or the note should be changed from "Panjyamon is the correct name" to "Panjyamon is the Bandai name" just like Creepymon is the Bandai name.KrytenKoro 07:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Depends on what you mean by 'wrong'. When anime series get licensed and translated/dubbed, it's up to the people translating to decide what to do with the names. It's really not a matter of 'right' and 'wrong.' Anyway, where is that sentence you quoted from? Is it one of our articles? If so, it should be removed unless we have a source for it. And "IceLeomon" treated the same way as all the other cases of digimon who have english names different from their japanese ones.
 * If we have a source for it, then it's something worth noting. But a name being changed because it's easy to kids to remember doesn;t make it 'wrong'. If IceLeomon is the name that's always been used in english digimon merchandise, then we should stick with using it here on wikipedia. -- `/aksha 12:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, what I meant is that I remember Frontier using Panjyamon, so my understanding of the quote was that it was saying that when referencing the series in America, IceLeomon is used - i.e., it's an american fan name, like "Pikablue". Is that how it is, or is IceLeomon really the name used in Frontier?KrytenKoro 02:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Crests
Should the Tags and Crests have their own page? The new page could include the name of the Crest, the owner of the Crest, the place where the Crest was found, and the special attributes the Crest has. As of right now, is you type "Crests (Digimon)" in the seach, it redirects you to the "Digimon Adventure" article.--Mmmundo 22:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Other than a list of them, who has them and where they where found (which are already all included in the character and main digimon articles for digimon adventure), what else is to say about them? Exactly what are you talking about when you say "special attributes"? -- `/aksha 04:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe a page like Objects in Digimon should be made, it could contain crests, tags, black gears, dark rings etc. etc. trainra 05:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's not a bad idea. -- `/aksha 08:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * When I said special attributes I just meant what the Crest represented, like the Crest of Courage represents the attribute of courage. I think making a page of "Objects in Digimon" is a really good idea.--Mmmundo 15:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So are we going to make a article for for "Objects in Digimon"?--Mmmundo 21:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes we might but lets wait until there is less merging to be done. trainra 07:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, but also feel that such "Digi-Items" deserve their own section. It'll help clear out the clutter for many character listings, and make hard-to-find item-info listed maybe on only one area (like Ken's Egg of Kindness)in an organized, easy-to-find list. "David200k" 23:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * We already have pages for digi-eggs and digivices but this page would be, as I said, for items that don't play a big enough roll to have their own article like the black gears, dark spirals and rings etc. trainra 09:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * How is it going on? Kennethayes 08:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have a list of items to be added with sources, I also have most of the images and a basic layout typed up, although I was waiting for Yaksha to get back so I could ask her how to set up a sand box so I could just tinker with things, I didn't want to bug you again Kennethayes. Also even thoudh digieggs/digivices have their own articles I was still going to link them. trainra 09:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * i see. actually i have done this... ~CLICK ME~ // lol Kennethayes 12:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I know I saw it (Your Sandbox is on my watchlist), it is a huge list, I had a few shields and a weapon here and there but I was focusing on the items eg. the cards in Adventure, Control Spires, Blue Cards etc. trainra 13:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * yes, i know~ the dark cogs, holy stone etc. =) Kennethayes 14:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * When is this page going to be made? - I'm pretty excited for it, and I think I can contribute heavily to it.--Mmmundo 20:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of making it after we have merged all the digimon into the masterlists, which shouldn't take that much longer. trainra 04:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * i'm not available next week. so i cant perfectize the masterlists. hahaa Kennethayes 06:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * So whats going on with this page - is somebody going to make it?--Mmmundo 21:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll try to finish the masterlists this weekend and get to it. trainra 09:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good - are we going to place it under the Fictional elements: section on the template after it is created?--Mmmundo 13:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

So whats goin on with this, have we made any progress?--Mmmundo 23:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Capitalization
Through out many of the Digimon articles there are many commonly used words (such as: Digimon, DigiDestined, Digivolve, Digivice, Digital World, Real World and many others) that should be capitalized, but are not. I am trying to go through as many Digimon articles as I can but I would greatly appreciate the help. There is a list of many commonly uncapitalized words that should be capitalized (please feel free to add on to this list): Digimon, Digivice, Digivolve, Digital World, Real World, DigiDestined, Crest of (Crest name)--Mmmundo 03:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Lets see what we can do. Digivolve and Digivice don't always have to be capitalised though, and I think the same for Digimon. trainra 09:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought that they should always be capitalized. Well if we did capitalize all the words previously mentioned, the articles would look more organized.--Mmmundo 19:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * capitalising Digivice or Digivolution is okay, but capitalising "digivolve"... although it is a word created for digimon, it is a verb. it looks so odd to have capitalised "Digivolve" in the aritcles. Kennethayes 05:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've always felt kind of weird capitalizing the digi-verbs. -- Ned Scott 06:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, can someone give me a list of common Digimon words that should be capital or a list of common Digimon words that should not be capital.--Mmmundo 14:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have another question, is it DigiDestioned or Digi-Destioned. I thought it was the first one.--Mmmundo 17:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's neither, I think it is DigiDestined. Notice there is no "o"

Canon plot lines for Adventure and Adventure 02
This might not be the best place to ask this but it is driving me crazy! Can someone please post a list of all the canon things (Games, CD Dramas, Movies, Seasons, etc.) in the Digimon Adventure and Adventure 02 universe!? I have been to many places looking for this information but I keep getting different information everywhere (I feel that if I know this information I can better help with the editing of the Digimon articles). I just need a clarification please. Also what is the Dark Ocean or Dark World, or whatever you call it? Please dont answer if you dont know for sure. I appreciate any help that you can give me.--Mmmundo 02:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

First Confirmed Cast Member and Director
I have some good news today, the first cast member and director for the Digimon Savers dub has been confirmed, we will have Steven Blum voicing Falcomon and Jeff Nimoy returns as the director.

Source: http://withthewill.net/index.php?topic=2954.0 godofchaos is a very reliable source in that he personally knows Jeff Nimoy. So do what needs to be done with this new info, and when more arises, I will keep you up on it.--Amigobro2 00:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * We're going to need a better source than just word of mouth, though. It's not that I don't believe it, but Wikipedia doesn't consider such to be a reliable source. -- Ned Scott 01:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * On an unrelated side note, I'm pretty bummed out that Jeff Nimoy has his hands on another Digimon dub. They did a pretty shitty job on the other 4.. -- Ned Scott 01:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, godofchaos said that there's probably going to be a official annoucement very soon, or if he would reveal where he got the info, so we could wait until then, I'll still keep you guys informed of course.--Amigobro2 01:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * To your side note: In my opinion the third and fourth ones were done quite well, Jeff Nimoy did the first two, not the last two, and I kinda didn't like them that much, but it's all good to me.--Amigobro2 01:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

d'Arcmon or D'Arcmon
is it d'Arcmon or D'Arcmon on the cards / official publishings? Kennethayes 19:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know about other publishings but I think it is d' in English, like Jean de Rond d'Alembert. Similar names would be van (Ruud van Nistelrooy) - the d' and van always begin with small letters even if they are the first word of the sentence.  I get conflicting results at Google so I guess someone else has to say something.   x42bn6  Talk 22:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Italicization?
I have one simple question: Should titles (e.g., Digimon Adventure, Digimon Tamers, etc.) be italicized in Digimon articles? Because they largely aren’t. —Frungi 01:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Italics: Manual of Style (titles).  x42bn6  Talk 03:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What I mean is, it seems that either these articles ignore that, or the Digimon titles are exempt somehow. Also, should “Digimon” be italicized when not referring to the monsters themselves (e.g., “another Digimon series”)? —Frungi 05:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * For the purpose of the English dub, NO. Remember: while the seasons are called differently in English for simplicity's sake, all the seasons had the same title. THis used to beclearly stated in the former Digimon: Digital Monsters... Where did it go? "Digimon", when referrig to any series, should probably be italicized, because then it refers to the whole of the Franchise. You'd similarly say "another Pokémon game."Circeus 12:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * So, foreign titles shouldn’t be considered titles? —Frungi 12:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Tasks - info
I know that Duftmon Leopard Mode only appears on cards - I'm pretty sure that's the main appearance for the others, though they may appear on certain d-pets.

As for the pictures, most of them can be found on http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/, though others can usually be found just by searching google.KrytenKoro 18:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Savers to be dubbed / licensed now sourced
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2007-04-26/toei-animation-licenses-fifth-season-of-digimon-to-disney-abc-cable-networks-group

http://www.indiantelevision.com/headlines/y2k7/apr/apr340.php

http://www.worldscreen.com/newscurrent.php?filename=toei042407.htm

I was still slightly speculative until ANN also covered the news. -- Ned Scott 03:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Major template rename required
The template Digimonimage is going to be deleted in one week. Before then, a group of people needs to go through each image that uses the template and replace it with either Non-free television screenshot or Non-free game screenshot, depending on whether the image comes from the game or from the TV series. Other applicable non-free templates that may be necessary are listed at Non-free content/templates. If categorization of these images is desired, add to them. The reason this template is being deleted is because it does not make a distinction between the source of the various screenshots, which is mandatory. Non-free image tags categorize images by type, not by subject matter. If, within seven days, not all of the images have had their tags fixed, they may end up being deleted when they are found without any valid claim of fair use on them, so get cracking! And enlist your friends to help in this move as necessary. -- Cyde Weys 21:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * All the tv screenshots that were used for the list of episodes will be deleted anyway, so we can skip those. Since most of said images are actually some sort of official art (bar the card scans), maybe rewording the template will be sufficient? It would only then have to be replaced with Non-free television screenshot in a few cases (e.g. Image:Yolei and Hawkmon.jpg) But even then, in most cases these pages already have the template.Circeus 05:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Rewording the template won't be sufficient. It's going to be deleted because licensing tags are for categorizing the types of source, not the subject matter.  We have tags for screenshots, album covers, etc., not "anything having to do with Digimon".  For the various images of Digimon characters, try the template Non-free character.  -- Cyde Weys  05:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I would like to suggest changing the template to a simple message that says "The copyright of this image is owned by Bandai" or something like that, then subst the template. That was about the only valuable thing it added, that and the category, which would also then be subst'ed. -- Ned Scott 05:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Image licensing templates cannot be substed. -- Cyde Weys  17:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure you understand my suggestion. In any case, we could just change the template to a category then use a bot to subst them all. -- Ned Scott 08:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Make it a Bandai/Toei one, there are a couple of images like that. trainra 06:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That wouldn't do; you can't say images are owned by Toei that are not. -- Cyde Weys  17:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The precise copyright might be impossible to determine in many cases. Either or both may be involved.Circeus 21:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

C'mon guys, more work needs to be made on this front; you only have four days left. -- Cyde Weys 17:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Relax. If worse come to worse, we can probably track the images via either watchlists/warnings, and replace the few ones that must be kept. The only ones that really have to be checked out are official art for the main characters/digimon, their associated screenshots, and the splash art for the series and movies. Most of the rest either can (and in some cases, should go anyway), or is quie easily replaced. Circeus 21:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Is there any problem with, rather than deleting the template outright, removing everything apart from the category. It would no longer be a "licensing template" and would save having to remove the template from all the images and remembering to add the category to them all. The images would all still need to have a new license assigned, but it would still remove some of the work. You could also add any standardised text that is common the images, but not necessarily to the image licence. PS, I have already upated the license for all images I uploaded personally that are still present and still in use. Shiroi Hane 22:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Where was the TfD to delete the template? Matthew 08:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not necessary. -- Cyde Weys  02:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I started the substituting so that only the category will be left. This of course makes tons of Digimon images without any licensing tags, but it's a bit of a moot point since Digimonimage really wasn't a licensing tag, and many of these images don't even have fair use rationales. I'll go through as many as I can myself to put the correct tags in, but a great deal of them don't specify a source (which is a problem all on it's own). It's doubtful that we'll get to all of the images before some are deleted, but for many of them it might just be easier to start from scratch (that way we'll at least know the source for many of these). -- Ned Scott 02:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * So basically check your upload logs or Category:Digimon media to start helping. I guess we should compile a quick mini-how to of some sort. -- Ned Scott 03:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's some tags that might be helpful to replace Digimonimage:
 * Non-free character
 * Non-free comic
 * Non-free game screenshot
 * Non-free television screenshot
 * Non-free video screenshot
 * Non-free film screenshot
 * Non-free logo
 * Non-free poster
 * -- Ned Scott 03:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Image work
Since this will be such a big task, I've updated WikiProject DIGI to now contain a notice about the image situation. In addition to updating tags we will also be striving to pass all parts of WP:NFCC. I've started a basic instruction page to help everyone out at WikiProject Digimon/Images. Right now it's sort of a rough draft, so feel free to help improve the image instructions page. -- Ned Scott 06:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Dark Rings/Control Spires
I'm curious as to why these do not have their own article; they were a very major aspect of the second season (Digimon Adventure 2). If enough can't be said for their own article, then maybe they should be inserted as a subsection in another with a redirect page created.

Just my thoughts,

Yoda921 11:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)Yoda

Go to topic 48, Crests. trainra 11:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean topic 38--Mmmundo 16:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Latest games
There seems to be duplicates of a latest video game. I propose a rather complicated move in that would both Digimon Savers: Another Mission and Digimon World Data Squad NEW! be merged into a new title as Digimon World: Data Squad based on what it seems to be called. Simply south 18:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't believe the title Digimon World Data Squad has been officially confirmed as Digimon Savers: Another Mission dub title, now we should either redirect or simply delete Digimon World Data Squad NEW!. Nightmare SE 11:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The title Digimon World Data Squad has been confirmed here and I suggest we should just delete the page.--Amigobro2 04:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

FighterDracomon
Someone added this Digimon yesterday to the master list, it sounds fake, while Coredramon has recently been confirmed as Dracomon's Champion form, so either Dracomon has two Champion forms or FighterDracomon is fake. Nightmare SE 11:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's fake. And Coredramon will have a seat in Cardgame Alpha Evolve.6 (Seven Great Demon Lords) which is releasing in June. Kennethayes 06:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Images about to be deleted
A great number of Digimon images are tagged for deletion, see Special:Recentchangeslinked/Category:Digimon media. I'd jump right on in myself, but for a great many of them I'd almost prefer to use another image. For example, while it might look nicer to have a single image of each character alone, I think it would be better to have an image showing them with their Digimon. We have about a week to add fair use rationales to the images before they're deleted. For more information don't forget to check out WikiProject Digimon/Images. I'll try to help with what I can, but like I said, I'm not sure if it's a big deal for some of those images. -- Ned Scott 05:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Done everything worth saving (i.e. everything that wasn't OR (such as that horrible BlueMeramon image) and used (i.e. that Bakemon card scan, when we have the official art). Screw individual rationales! Leave me a note when the next rampage happens.
 * Oh, BTW, can anybody dig up an official artwork for Clockmon? Circeus 00:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/encyc/images/clockmon.jpg ??
 * Nah, that's a screenshot. I'm talking something like Image:Armadimon.gif. Circeus 04:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean TOIE art? No. There is no Toie art of Clockmon, unless someone VERY skilled with clockshop edited the image from when the D-Power analyzed him.KrytenKoro 04:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't find a Toei image but I have a Bandai one. Also I added Fair Use Rationals to Goldramon's, Allomon's and AeroVeedramon's images, but I don't know if I used it right, can someone please check for me? trainra 07:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I did. Looks okay to me. Circeus 16:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If something like Image:Cupimon.jpg is acceptible I should be able to do a similar image for Clockmon, although I've just started another cycle of 12-hour shifts so I cannot guarantee to be able to do it right away. Shiroi Hane 03:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be lovely! Actually, if you could substitute a few other card art images with stuff like that, you would have my undieing admiration! Circeus 03:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * We could just properly tag all the images first and then organise them later. User:OrphanBot will take care of orphaned images.  x42bn6 Talk Mess  14:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * We could but than we are more likely to miss an image + we will have less to do in a larger amount of time. trainra 07:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I need your help translating something
I finally managed to find a clear enough picture of Mimi's Analyzer screen to translate it (no thanks to the request I had put up on her talk page).

太刀川ミミ 人間: 選ばれし子供 得意技: 乙女の投げキッス 必殺技: ウ○チつかみ

it translates to

Tachikawa Mimi Human: Chosen Child Winning Technique: Maiden's Blown Kiss Special Move: ウ○チ grab

No online translator understands uuchi, and when I search on google, I can't figure out any consistent meaning of it.

Thanks!KrytenKoro 09:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That could be because there is no such word as uuchi in Japanese. At least I think, I recognise the two non-circle images but not the other one. Trainra 08:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, apparently, a HELL of a lot of japanese sites use it, with the circle even (which, I'm pretty sure it is uuchi) - however, it is in katakana, so it might be some kind of pop-culture term that's come up recently - slang, perhaps.KrytenKoro 12:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Also: Thanks!KrytenKoro
 * 1) Does anyone have a translation of Porky and Hogmon's Analyzer screens?
 * 2) What is Dokugumon's attack according to the analyzer screen - it says something like poreeshon?


 * Where are you getting these analyzer screens, come to think of it, what are they? Are they the screens that appear when a new digimon is introduced?Trainra 07:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'm just now getting to this stuff because I just now found a website that has all the episodes - earlier, I had to rely on my own recorded tapes, and not only were they fuzzy, they were missing some episodes. The analyzer screens have this information in japanese - if you do a search with the kanji strings provided, you can get websites full of this stuff.
 * Also, for anyone who knows Japanese (as in, without needing a dictionary), how do you pronounce 得意技, 小竜 (as in little dragon), and 小悪魔 (as in little demon)? -kana is fine. Thanks!KrytenKoro 09:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I finally got Porkymon and Hogmon. They are:
 * Class: 想像 (そうぞう) [Imagination]
 * Attribute: イメージ [Image]
 * Porkymon: ブーブーアタック [Grumbling Attack]
 * Hogmon: ヒポポタバキューム [Hippopota Vacuum]
 * And obviously, both are Champions.KrytenKoro 21:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

UlForceVdramon Future Mode
Where did the term "Future Mode" come from? The card's name translates as UlForceVdramon Super-Ultimate - is Future Mode used in the manga, or is it just a recognizable fan-term?KrytenKoro 02:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Manga, V-Tamer I think.Trainra 07:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep it's from the V-Tamer Manga. Diabound 11:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 'kay. Thanks!KrytenKoro

Toei pics
I have access to about 45 or so toei pics that the digimon articles are missing (d-reaper agents, sovereigns, armor digimon, spirit digimon etc.), but I am horrible at correctly sourcing them. I've talked to McFeely before, and apparently he's fine with me copying those images (I'll e-mail him again, just to be sure), but basically, I need someone to e-mail the images to who can turn them back into image format - right now, they're copied into an MS word document.

I also have some of them like ModokiBetamon, the Betamon recolor, and it's not actually fan-art - it's a real pic.

So, if anyone who knows how to do the sourcing bit correctly can give me their e-mail (on my talk page, if you want), I'll send over the document with all the images.

Thanks!KrytenKoro 07:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Blanked by user Trainra 08:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Wait a minute, don't we have all those images, we just need one for BlackGuilmon. Trainra 08:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I have Baihumon, Ebonwumon, Zhuqaiomon, Azulongmon, Pteramon, Kongoumon, Flybeemon, Depthmon, GranKuwagamon, ToyAgumon, Susanoomon (no watermark), EmperorGreymon, MagnaGarurumon, Bearmon, Kotemon (better quality), the short locomon pic (just the digimon, not the cars), Worm the Trailmon, Pichimon, and better pics of Moonmon and Sunmon (from the Digimon Twin website).

For recolor digimon: Meteormon, Icemon, ModokiBetamon, BlackGrowlmon, BlackWereGarurumon (better quality), BlackGargomon, BlackRapidmon, Psychemon, SnowAgumon, MegaKabuterimon (Data), Greymon (Virus), Gallantmon (Chaos Mode), Panjyamon, and WarGrowlmon (Vaccine).

As far as I can tell, you guys have none of those, or at least, they aren't on that digimon's page.

My e-mail is my username  hotmail.com, so since I guess it wouldn't be smart for people to put their address here, just send me a message and I'll send the document to anyone that wants it.KrytenKoro 09:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Royal Knights
Apparently, the other guy keeps seeing grammatical errors that require full reverts to fix. I keep having to reverse these reverts, because after exhaustive comparisons EACH TIME he does this, I still can't see any improvements - in fact, almost every one of his changes seems to introduce grammatical and spelling errors.

I've asked the guy repeatedly not to do full reverts, and I've even outlined on his talk page why I have a problem with each one of his changes that I reversed. It's a very long list.

I don't know - maybe it's possible that I just have a fundamentally flawed understanding of grammar and the MoS and summarization guidelines - maybe I'm wrong.

So, because I don't want to be blocked due to some revert war, I'm asking other members of the project to look at the page and see what decision they can come to.

I've tried to do my best on that page - I'm not going to be entering the current dispute again, unless no one else wants to help solve it - of course, trying to mediate between yourself and someone else is damned hard.

So...I'm leaving that article alone for now, I've done all I can think to do on it, someone else please take over now.

Thank you for your time, and good knight*.KrytenKoro 19:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, that was intentional.

Ornith, Ornis, or Onis?
It's quite obvious that the root word is Ornith, meaning bird, and this is how the name was originally translated. I don't remember how they pronounced it in the dub, though, but Onis just seems wrong.

Does anyone know for sure?KrytenKoro 09:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Onismon Trainra 08:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Akiyoshi Hongo
Akiyoshi Hongo seems to be somewhat of a hoax. The article on him, and the occasional reference to him in the Digimon articles, state that he is the creator of the Digimon concept. I've recalled others removing bits mentioning him, citing the reason as a hoax. His own article contains no references, and nothing seems to be able to be found. Sounds like something we need to look into. First, what works, if any at all, credit this name? -- Ned Scott 21:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The cards have his name at the bottom.KrytenKoro 20:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Nicknames
Many of the digidestined pages are named such that they treat the nickname like the given name - this is most egregious for Izzy's page, since his nickname is actually based on his last name ("Izzy Izumi" is just...wrong). We should move these to personal name "nickname" surname, or just personal name surname to prevent confusion. For some of these (Sora, Mimi, Rika), no move would be necessary.KrytenKoro 19:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Digimon Encyclopedia Plagiarism?
It seems that many of the profiles on the lists of Digimon are word-for-word what is said on the Digimon Encyclopedia. Now, Chris has said on his site that he participates on Wikipedia, so these may be with his blessing - if this is true, then please tell me. Otherwise, we need to make sure we obtain his blessing on all of these, because if he doesn't know about this, then it's pretty un-kosher.KrytenKoro 20:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Possible plagiarism problems (said five times fast)?
User:Jadenik has been adding a lot of information from the Digimon's "official profiles" - if this is from the official websites, as I assume it is, then we need to make sure to source it, so that we don't run into possible plagiarism or copyright violations.

And this should apply to pretty much all of the bio info that isn't synthesized from the plot of the shows and games. "Digimon Analyzer" info, Internet profiles, etc.KrytenKoro 20:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Digimon v.s. Pokemon section
A while ago, I updated the Pokemon and Digimon section, pointing out that Digimon tends to borrow more from the Mecha/Super Robo genre and pointed out several mecha references. This was removed for what is currently in place. I thought my addition was a good bit of Information, coul;d anyone inform me why it wasn't such a good addition to the article? Granis 00:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably because it was OR.KrytenKoro 01:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Chrome Digizoid
Can we have something somewhere explaining what this does? It can be part of the "Digimon items" article, or an article about the Digital World.

Anyway - to help, here's what I know:


 * Regular or Silver Chrome Digizoid: Basic form, impenetrable except by other Digizoid or the strongest attacks.
 * Blue Chrome Digizoid: Very light, specializing in speed.
 * Red Chrome Digizoid: Very strong, specializing in defense.
 * Gold Chrome Digizoid: Very firm, grafted on to act as offensive armor, specializing in offense.
 * Black Chrome Digizoid: very hard? Apparently Cranniummon can use it to access his shield and spear, so maybe it cna be shaped into weapons or something.

KrytenKoro 19:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Nicknames?
I've noticed a lot of Digimon have nicknames such as "The Crow of Silver" and stuff, especially the Royal Knights ("The Golden Knight", "The Knight of Loyalty", "The Knight of Balance", "The Knight of Passion", "The Knight of Indifference"). Should we consider adding a "Nickname" or "Title" part of the infobox template?KrytenKoro 04:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Digimon that appear as characters, and general list requests
Okay, we've got the main character thing figured out, but I'd like some help on the secondary character bits. What I'm thinking is that for any Digimon who has a suitably large section under the season header on their entry, we move that text to the appropriate "List of characters" page, and then leave a (main): Digimon (Season) link. For example, Zhuqaoimon has a nice little section under "Digimon Tamers" that would work better on the character page, since it is obviously a character. Since these lists are for the species, not specific members that are characters, this should fall well in line with the setup. (Technically, Zhuqaiomon would go under Digimon Sovereigns, but you get my point)

We also need to trim stuff like "His skill "Terra Force" costs 40MP and is an single-enemy attack. It is the strongest skill for no-property digimon, if counting the damage points only." or the Card Battle specifics, since they are pure gamecruft, and their meaning isn't even explained to the reader.

Also, we should make sure that we are appropriately citing everything - all I can do right now is the evolutions
 * (Digimon Tamers, "Song of Sakuyamon" [82]),

since I don't know which website people are getting all of the "It is said" stuff from - those need to be cited too. If something comes from a Digimon Analyzer/D-Arc/Bokomon's Book screen, by all means we should include it, but it still needs to be cited


 * (Digimon Frontier, "A Molehill out of a Moutain" [56]; Bokomon: "KaratsukiNumemon are squishy and have shells")

Finally, we should use the standard (Ja:) and (En:) bits for voice actors, or for anything that differs between the two version in the infobox. And make sure we are using the series correct name, such as Digimon Adventure V-Tamer 01, instead of just V-Tamer (V-Tamer 01, for short in the "Appears" bit, or in-paragraph).

Thanks!KrytenKoro 17:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Also - what is the consensus on how to organize attack techniques? Because they seem to be neither ordered alphabetically or by the Digimon's personal ranking "system" (Winning Technique, Special Technique, other techniques, etc.). Thanks.KrytenKoro 04:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Neptunemon
I know this is probably going to sound old to you guys, but the official dictionary still spells it "Neptunemon".KrytenKoro 20:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

V-Tamer 01
I'm currently rereading V-Tamer 01 for citations and relevant/interesting info. I'll post what I've got below, so that editors who are more familar with the appropriate articles will know where and how to insert them. Thanks!KrytenKoro

User:KrytenKoro/V-Tamer_01_Notes


 * I'll consider doing the same thing as well, but for Digimon Next, at the moment though the masterlists and image fur's come first. Trainra 02:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * By masterlists you mean the "List of Digimon (Part X)", right? Anyway, about Next - do you have personal copies, or do you know a source for scanlations?KrytenKoro 03:52, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I do mean those, they are almost done, and I have both personal and on-line volumes of Next. Trainra 05:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What needs to be done with the lists, besides general cleanup? I didn't quite understand the big reorganization project page.KrytenKoro 06:55, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been done for a while, but I'm notifying you guys now - go ahead and exploit the notes to your twisted designs.KrytenKoro 22:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Digivolution Question
I've got a question - how explicit does an evolution need to be? For example - we have Kuramon>Tsumemon>Keramon>?>Infermon>Diablomon from the second movie. In Tamers, we get Chrysalimon>Infermon>Diablomon, and in Data Squad, we get Keramon>Chrysalimon. So my question is - would the Tamers Chrysali>Infer be enough to say Kera>Chrysali - could we use the Tamers ref on that evolution? Or in a similar situation - Lopmon (Tamers) digivolves to Antylamon (Deva), and Turuiemon digivolves to Antylamon (Deva). Can we use the Turuiemon>Antylamon citation to cite the Lopmon (T)>Turuiemon? It's clear from the various sources that it is an acceptable digivolution - but what do we use to cite it?

In a similar situation, Daemon>Daemon SU - it never actually shows Daemon digivolving - just Arkadimon U mutating into Daemon SU. How do we cite this?

I suppose a compromise that would keep the citations making sense is to only cite the ones that actually happen, but leave uncited the ones that are made clear by others (Lop>?>Antyla and Turuie>Antyla makes Lop>Turuie clear as well). What do you guys think?KrytenKoro 08:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I do believe there's more to the Diaboromon line than its 3 anime appearances, correct me if I'm wrong here, but we knew the full line before even Tamers although this may have just been speculation based on the card game, although we should indicate the warp digivolution (from Keramon to Infermon) in the species articles if we haven't. And speaking of Chrysalimon in Tamers what name did it go by, Chrysalimon or Kurisarimon?


 * As for Lopmon to Turuiemon, no, the only source we have are a bunch of possible digivolutions in card game, we can't pick and choose what digivolutions to accept from the card game, its either all or nothing. We'll just have to wait until more evidence presents itself.


 * As for Daemon, I'm not familiar enough with V-Tamer give a proper comment on the matter.Nightmare SE 11:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No, no, no - For Turuiemon, I'm not talking about the playable card, I'm talking about the Win Ratio cards - which show specific evolutions that are widely accepted, and don't deviate from the Digivice, Anime, and game storyline evolutions.
 * For Kurisarimon (I prefer Chrysali, as I don't believe that (in this case) incompetent translators should be rewarded), I believe that we were able to use it's "number", as it was ordered next to the others. On a related note, should we include the known "number" of a Digimon, or its "size" (20 Gigs, etc.)? This was canon information originally released with all Digimon, but it seems to have died off by the time of Frontier (I know it was still going throughout Tamers).
 * But what I was trying to say about Chrysalimon - in Our War Game, we had the complete line minus the champion (which was fairly well known from its card and game appearances, but...). In Tamers, it was confirmed that the champion digivolved into the rest of the line. In Data Squad, it was finally confirmed that Keramon did digivolve to Chrysalimon, completing the line. What my question is, basically - would the Tamers instance, combined with the previous knowledge that this is consistent with the Keramon path, be enough, or would we have to wait until Savers for a citing? Or, as applied to Lopmon>Turuiemon (which is virtually confirmed), do we leave it uncited, and just have people ask us for the full, long explanation when they question it?
 * The first solution would make citing a bit more open to synthesis and confusing setup, but the second would make us have to continuously revert evolutions that we know are correct, but are not explicitly shown.
 * I guess a good solution would be to have the whole explanation (involving the Koshika Daizukan, Tamers, and the Win Ratio card) as an invisible comment, but that feels a bit messy and unorthodox to me, which is why I want to run it past you guys.KrytenKoro 00:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I know what I meant, when I said the card game was referring to the only direct connection between Lopmon and Turuiemon.
 * Well unless there was more evidence to support Keramon to Chrysalimon then yes Savers would have had to been used. I also should point out other Digimon in similiar cases, such as the Gotsumon line, Gotsumon has digivolved into Monochromon (Champion) and Meteormon (Ultimate), but we do not acknowledge Monochromon to Meteormon (though I believe the main reason is because of the existence of Icemon), another case would be the Leomon line, where Leomon digivolved into IceLeomon in V-Tamer (who further digivolved into Regulumon) and into SaberLeomon in Adventure (and before you say there are two Leomon lines, one featuring IceLeomon and the other GrapLeomon, I doubt GrapLeomon existed at the time, his first card correct me if I'm wrong here was in the Version 14 of the Booster Series which also featured Digimon from Frontier, my guess is Digimon World 3 was his first appearance which was long after the creation of IceLeomon and SaberLeomon.), another example would be the BlackAgumon line who has warped Digivolved into BlackWarGreymon yet Digivolved into DarkTyrannomon in Digimon World DS, do we acknowledge DarkTyrannomon to BlackWarGreymon? No (though of course in this case there would be a missing link, the ultimate form). So in conclusion, no, we can't add Digivolutions for Lopmon based on Antylamon, also I believe this situation is worse than I originally thought as apparently Antylamon has another previous form... ... According to Pagumon's article it Digivolved into Antylamon in Digimon World DS, could someone familiar with the game further elaborate on this? Nightmare SE 08:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So where did the official Lopmon-Turuiemon come from? A win ratio card or not? If it is still unofficial and it is insisted, think about things like; ShowBotamon (Gatomon's Fresh) and the Mega's for 01 and 02 DigimonTrainra 10:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * YukimiBotamon was done on one of the Digivice's (Fresh>In-Training are accepted). HeraclesKabuterimon and Rosemon were verified on win ratio cards (along with D-Pets, the numbering, and the games, I think), and I don't remember where the other two were done. However, for Digimon World DS - I am loathe to trust the World games for any type of canonicity, as they take the most liberty with, well, everything - for example, they posit several Fresh Digimon as In-Trainings, Ultimates as Mega...it's just a big mess, based (I think) for the most part on the fact that they have to program in any Digimon they want to use, so it's easier for them to just combine Digimon lines into one, for example.KrytenKoro 12:10, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If the Turuiemon thing is really such a problem, though, I'll just wait until a Win Ratio or anime/manga appearance validates it. However, I still need to know how you guys want me to cite the Daemon one.KrytenKoro 12:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of categories
After the big reorganisation of the Digimon articles I realised that the three categories "Digimon articles in need of expansion", "Digimon stubs" and "Digimon articles in need of images" are no longer needed. Thus we should delete them (which is already proposed for Digimon stubs). Diabound 09:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. If we ever get another stub article we can just use the anime stub tag. -- Ned Scott 09:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The Digimon stub type was deleted as it only had one stub in it. Please use the NamcoBandai-stub (the owner of Digimon) template where applicable, as opposed to generic video game or anime stubs. Unless project members object, it would be helpful to add this to the project's Templates section. ~ JohnnyMrNinja  05:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Digimon
I have edited List of Digimon to be formatted and readable (see my revision here). My edit was reverted to the previous unformatted version, with the reasoning "Your way makes the page ultra long though, so what's wrong with the way it is?". The list is ultra-long, but I would like to point out that I did not create any of these Digimon, so please blame Namco-Bandai for this problem. It is pointless to have a list of anything if it is not readable and navigable. I have no interest in edit warring on this. I leave it up to the project, as it's your list anyway. ~ JohnnyMrNinja  07:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Lists are fairly irritating things. But there is nothing wrong with what you did - in fact, it's the first thing WP:BOLD tells you to do.  But for arguments' sake, neither version is bad, and the chances don't make it incredibly longer - in fact, it looks a lot tidier for this.  Discussion is always nice - go ahead and talk with Trainra.  And despite the name, we aren't in charge of Digimon articles (see WP:OWN) - but we do help organise them.  And I prefer "your" version with headings.  x42bn6 Talk Mess  11:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The headers do make it slightly less easy to read (for me) - it's hard for me to describe why, but the headers seem distracting, I think. As for the previous version being unformatted - it's in alphabetical order, with alphabetical "headers". How was it unreadable?KrytenKoro 18:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if I seemed confused. I mean it's within your scope, and perhaps you'd have a different view then me. My interest is in organization, not Digimon, and I feel that the project should keep the version that best suits the articles. I merely seek to give the options. As to how it was unreadable, it is awkward to need to scroll all the way top to bottom, back to the top, back to the bottom, back to the top, and back to the bottom again, just to see the entire list in alphabetical order. My formatting placed the sections in columns, as opposed to the entire list. This makes it navigable. A list like this is to be read, as well as to be used as a directory for all Digimon. My formatting would allow someone looking for a certain Digimon, but possibly unsure of the name ("Was it named Salmon?") to click on a letter (S) or simply scroll down (once), see the entire section on the screen, and find the Digimon they were looking for (Salamon). But again, do with it as you will. ~ JohnnyMrNinja  05:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I might of fixed the problem a bit, but like KrytenKoro said I feel it is more easily readable the old way. The way your version is set out anyway, you would have to scroll to the top and back again anyway. Take a look and tell me if it's still problematic and a consensus will need to be reached. Trainra 11:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I really liked JohnnyMrNinja's version. -- Ned Scott 19:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * But if they know it starts with S, how would the second method be any different? Both of them are organizes alphabetically, just one vertically and one horizontally. I guess Ninja's is okay, it just seems a bit cluttered.KrytenKoro 20:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I've got a third option - organizing it by level. Level differentiation is usually pretty clear, (no one would confuse an in-training or fresh with anything else, or a rookie with an ultimate), and it would help sort out the cases where two Digimon have similar looking names.KrytenKoro 03:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm, we could probably make a really big sortable table. -- Ned Scott 04:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Help
I could really use some help getting List of characters in Digimon Tamers up to snuff. Most of the humans are sentence fragments, and I need help determining which Digimon should be considered paragraph-worthy characters. Thanks!KrytenKoro 06:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

List culling
We also need to make an effort to go through the lists, and move the info for Digimon who have enough presence to be characters to the characters lists, and leaving "main article" links in their place, and remove the little blurbs where main article links are.KrytenKoro 06:28, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Beelzemon and Apocalymon
Is it just me, or do they look very similar? --Raijinili 21:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Besides the mask, which Garudamon also has, they don't really have anything in common.KrytenKoro 02:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the colors. But looking at Beelzemon again, I guess you're right. --Raijinili 19:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)