Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arab world/Archive 1

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Great project. Just what Wikipedia needed. Great work Fayssal. CG 21:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, spot on. Amazing that you could get it this comprehensive that swiftly. Funkynusayri 00:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Excellent work, Fayssal. Thank you.--▓▒░الأهواز ★ Al-Ahwaz░▒▓ 11:14, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I've had the idea since a year or so now but i noted that not so many (enough) people were interested. I am sure this project would go beyond expectations (for the benefit of Wikipedia and its reader). I've also made sure that the title of the project reflects what we will be into. "Arab" or "Arab people" would only attract POV warriors of both sides (i am sure there are a few) but let this project be a big signal to every wikipedian; that we are here to build an encyclopedia and not to offer an arena or a ring for battles. Thanks again guys for your interest and hope we'd never get tired of making this project a good example that others would follow. Let's get ready for work. -- FayssalF  - Wiki me up®  18:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes the choice of name is perfect. Thanks Fayssal. -- Slacker

22:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, got a specific example? Funkynusayri 00:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

user pages
Is there any sort of banner or template that can be added to each member's userpage in order to communicate easily with other members and attract more interested members? --Aziz1005 01:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I have created this template WPARAB Member you can add it to your user pages if you want to!--Aziz1005 01:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Aziz. Nice one. -- FayssalF  -  Wiki me up®  22:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Articles
I'm very new to Wiki projects, and have a bit of difficulties getting around, but is there a way to see a list of all articles that are within the scope of the project, without having to browse through different categories? Funkynusayri 20:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not quite sure but this may help. This page needs to be updated by a bot every few days--Aziz1005 14:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that seemed to do the trick! Funkynusayri 20:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup and that's the secret behind the bot. He is doing fantastic stuff ;) Another helpful way to help the bot is to add the to the articles talk page. The project has identified a total of 183 Arab world related articles (see project statistics at the the assessment dept. here). Surely there are far more than that. --  FayssalF  -  Wiki me up®  22:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

A-Class review for Byzantine-Arab Wars now open
The A-Class review for Byzantine-Arab Wars is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -- FayssalF  -  Wiki me up®  22:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

FA-Class review for Quneitra now open
I added a FAC FA-Class review for Quneitra at the review department. Feel free to review the article. CG 09:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Note For contributors who are still trying to figure out how teh labyrinth of this project is designed, the venue CG is pointing out to review articles is located at the Review dept. -- FayssalF  - Wiki me up®  18:37, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh, I haven't participated much in the review discussions until now, simply because I didn't understand how it worked, but I'll participate from now on. Funkynusayri 12:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A good start would be reading the assessment criteria and see if the reviewed article really corresponds to the class (FA, GA, B). In this case we are reviewing it for a FA-Class. -- FayssalF  -  Wiki me up®  15:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Al-Ahwaz related articles
Does the Arab Wiki Project cover Al-Ahwaz/Khuzestan, an Arab-populated area of a non-Arab country? I refer in particular to the following articles and would like opinions on whether these should be included, as there appears to be some controversy over this, particularly my inclusion of the following articles in the project: Khūzestān Province Ahwaz Politics of Khūzestān Province History of Khūzestān Province Abadan Khorramshahr‎.--▓▒░الأهواز ★ Al-Ahwaz░▒▓ 13:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe they do, or maybe specific ones. All Arab related articles are within the scope. Funkynusayri 20:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think yea, they do. Some articles such as Ctesiphon/Al-Madain which is in modern Iraq fall under the scope of WP Iran, since it is related to Iranian people this things applies to Arab people in the case of Ahwaz.--Aziz1005 13:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I have placed a request for advice on this issue on the WikiProject Council talk page, as per FayssalF's suggestion.--▓▒░الأهواز ★ Al-Ahwaz░▒▓ 13:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It has been 11 days since I put up a request on this at the WikiProject Council talk page, but there has been no response. Does anyone else have any idea about how I can get an answer to my question?--▓▒░الأهواز ★ Al-Ahwaz░▒▓ 18:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This subject is in dire need of attention (both wikipedian one and off-wikipedia...). Will anyone rally to the cause? i've started to make some improvements to Iranian Arabs and Politics of Khuzestan. MiS-Saath (talk) 07:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Countries
Should we add the Arab project tag to individual Arab countries? Funkynusayri 16:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely. -- FayssalF  -  Wiki me up®  20:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, I just found it odd that it hadn't been done already, and thought there was some purpose with it... But I'll get started! Funkynusayri 20:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * and that's why i added the assessment template to the navigation banner. I thought showing participants that only 209 articles which have been tagged so far- would encourage us to tag further more. -- FayssalF  -  Wiki me up®  20:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Arabian Gulf
An anon IP put a link to the following document on my talk page, which appears to clarify the issue surrounding the name of the Arabian/Persian Gulf. It is written by Naftali Kadmon of The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, who is Convenor of the working group on toponymic terminology. He writes that no country has an exlusive right to name international waters. He writes: "Concerning the international waters or 'high seas', both names Sea of Japan and East Sea are neither endonyms nor exonyms. So are Persian Gulf and Arabian Gulf (unless the territorial waters of both sides meet in mid-Gulf). Both pairs are allonyms undefined from a terminological point of view, and they have equal status." This should inform those involved in writing articles relating to the Arabian Gulf.--▓▒░الأهواز ★ Al-Ahwaz░▒▓ 10:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Asabiyyah / 'Asabiyyah
Hi. We have an article at Asabiyyah. I also see the spelling  'asabiyyah, both within that article and elsewhere within Wikipedia (eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqaddimah#.27Asabiyyah ). I am not an "Arabist", but I assume that those would be prounounced differently. I suspect that some of these spellings might be a problem with Wikipedia's markup conventions for formatting italic and bold text ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page#Character_formatting ). -- 201.19.93.178 10:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Needed articles
Shouldn't we have a section with requests for the creation of needed articles (if anyone has suggestions)? Funkynusayri 22:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we have this section as a template called Template:WPARAB Announcements/Requested articles.--Aziz1005 15:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, that's exactly what I was looking for, thanks again. Funkynusayri 15:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You welcome :) --Aziz1005 17:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge
I don't see any problem with merging That Wikiproject to this Wikiproject if it's just about adding Arabic script to relevant articles.--Aziz1005 17:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Note: I am not the one who added that Merge tag --Aziz1005 17:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. But then the other project should redirect to here, or what? Or could it become a task force? Funkynusayri 17:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yea, I mean why don't we redirect it to here? since that wikiproject is seems to be inactive--Aziz1005 02:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Not sure I understand, you want to Soft redirect it here and keep the page? Or Merge into this leaving nothing but a redirect there?  I recommend you rename the entire project to subpage of this project.  That doesn't mean you must consider it a task force, necessarily.  Would be nice to have a link on the main project page though.  Just a suggestion.  --Doug.(talk • contribs) 02:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, just a redirect, similarly to when they just made the Syriac Christianity project into a work-group within the Christianity project. Funkynusayri (talk) 21:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

possibly unfree image
I put up an Arab-world-related image (Image:Samir_Geagea_official_picture.jpg) at WP:PUI because I doubt that it is really GFDL-licensed, but I can't read Arabic so the source site is useless to me. If anyone is interested in keeping this image, go to the discussion at Calliopejen1 15:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The website does not state clearly whether this image can be used under the GFDL or not. However, the concerned user may have contacted the website and got the permission. I think a link to the mainpage is not enugh to justify the usage--Aziz1005 15:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: Tawfiq Il-Nimri
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Tawfiq Il-Nimri is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 16:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm no "expert", but it seems quite notably to me, just needs work. Funkynusayri 13:52, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Help to correct & stop the manipulation
Hi..I thought it is worth mentioning that most, if not all, Arabic-related articles are being manipulated & biased by persians, I'm not excluding any Arab-related article such as Arab empire articles, Iraq-related articles, even in Baghdad article you'll see the name persian is mentioned more than Baghdad or Iraq or Arabic etc...but one of the most biased articles is the Iran-Iraq war......unfortunately persians are manipulating so many things to serve their persian nationalism & propaganda Iraswe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.6.158.33 (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course it is the case. In relation to these articles, Wikipedia entries are the result of one POV being imposed by a well-organized gang of editors. Those who disagree become victims of an ethnic witch-hunt by these people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.24.247 (talk) 13:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I expected this from the begining. Regardless, tell us how we can help. --Maha Odeh 06:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

New Template
Hellow everyone, I'm proposing to use this template (or something similar) on Arab personalities pages. What do you think? --Maha Odeh 09:09, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Great job Maha :) But I think this template is suitable for contemporary biographies only! don't you think so? --Aziz1005 13:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Are we all agreeing, or should we wait before we add the template to articles? Funkynusayri 06:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

good proposal Maha
I definetly think we should give it a try...it seems good, but also I think something immediately should be done for the majority of Arab-articles because the info. mentioned is not accurate & it is for sure manipulated and it seems that it has been written by the same source, typically is the Abbasid empire article, read the whole article & you'll definetely have an idea about who might have made it up. Anyway I'm a medical student & I'm having final exams the coming weeks and after finishing them I'll put some efforts to contribute to more for Arab-related articles, with my regards193.6.158.33 16:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

For the Arab World and Arabia
Good project, God bless you. Since I consider the history of Arabia amputated for modern political reasons and because of the conflict between Europe and Islam, I encourage the study of Arabia taking into consideration the evolution of language since the fall or Sumer until today. Nonetheless, the climatic changes that are always forgotten in considering the old Arabia, have contributed in confusing the image of Arabia throughout the ages and made Arabia look like the arid desert since ever, which is not true. Arabia Felix by the time of Abraham was a properous country with lush vegetation and torrential rains, from Nejd to Hijaz. This is what attaracted invaders like Babylon, Assyria, Egypt and even Rome to send military expeditions to subdue Arabia. A thorough geographical study of the Arabian Peninsula should be considered in the re-writing of history of Modern Arabia, taking as an example the hard limestone river bed in Diriya near Riyadh, how it is carved with water until the rocks are rounded by erosion. Also please consider the number of dry salt lakes between Riyadh and Gassim. I believe these are signs of an old moderate weather proving the climatic changes through the ages. Please read my contribution under Arabia Discussion. Respectfully, Noureddine 03:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please dear Noureddine feel free to edit any Arab related article :) since we really need people to improve the quality of these articles, best regards--Aziz1005 14:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Aziz for this is very encouraging. Let us open a new color of articles revealing what has not been written for lack of record reasons. Please read my contribution under Arabian Peninsula and send your comments. Noureddine 00:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC) thank you very much for adding this page it could really help us —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.87.246 (talk) 01:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Cairo Opera Company
I'm looking into an AfD debate on the article dealing with the Cairo Opera Company. The main problem we're having is that the article is in Arabic. I'd like to at least know what's being deleted, if it comes to that - and, perhaps, we could translate the article and work it into something work keeping. We've had no luck with the translation needed flag, so I thought I'd post a request here - if anyone wants to take a crack at translating the Cairo Opera Company article, or at least posting on its talk page explaining the contents, I'd be most grateful. Thanks in advance for your time and assistance. ZZ Claims~ Evidence 05:06, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
Should we have an Arabian barn star, or does something similar already exist? Funkynusayri (talk) 23:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Is that what you mean?--Aziz1005 (talk) 19:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh, yes. Funkynusayri (talk) 23:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)